Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268060/Sikh-police-officers-remove-turbans-join-firearms-units.html Where do we stand on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Simple. They do it or they don't bother with the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 can't they celetape the turbans to the top of the helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Simple. They do it or they don't bother with the job What about their rights and freedom to choose if they want to wear one or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 They either wear the lid or don't do the job. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 What about their rights and freedom to choose if they want to wear one or not? Just asked the three Sikhs I work with. They agree with my view point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 What about their rights and freedom to choose if they want to wear one or not? Religious symbology has no place within a uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Just find it ridiculous. There is a uniform, it is the same dot everyone Wear it or don't have the job. What ever job it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I see there is a dispensation for motor cycle helmets. Should be the same with the police. It's the individuals risk. In my view the establishment has fulfilled it's OHS obligation by providing the helmet. I know the law doesn't see it that way though. The law needs changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I see there is a dispensation for motor cycle helmets. Should be the same with the police. It's the individuals risk. In my view the establishment has fulfilled it's OHS obligation by providing the helmet. I know the law doesn't see it that way though. The law needs changing. No, there is a uniform that is the same for everyone Wear it or find another job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 can't they celetape the turbans to the top of the helmet? Should they not develop a bullet proof turban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Being ignorant on Sikhs beliefs, do they regard the right to wear a turban over and above the rights of the person they are just about to shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Yep, too much respect is given to choices of faith and people believe the world should bend around them, when clearly it should be the other way around. Sometimes your religious belief might close certain choices for you. Following a religious code means making sacrifices. I think most sensible people can see this, including religious people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I worked with a bloke a few years back who was asked to bid on a contract to supply about £1.5m worth of IT equipement and services to the army. He refused on relgious grounds say it was against his religion to support violence or war and his concious wouldn't allow him to supply equipment and services to a military organisation. Very odd i thought, someone else bid, won it and it was worth about £40k in commission to them over the term of the contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 That all sounds fair enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Should they not develop a bullet proof turban? That can be done quite easily with a good solid coating of paper mache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I admire his principles but considering the amount of money it cost him and the fact that whilst it was going into a military environment it wasn't actually responsible for killing people, more making sure the squaddies could get WIFI on their lap tops and so on i found it a little strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Is it just me that can't get that only fools and horses episode out of their heads where del tries to invent the turban motorcycle helmet out of a horse riding hats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Not a new story. There will be a compromise. if a sikh policeman does not want o wear a turban when training or being deployed, he should sign a waver form and if something happens like being shot in the head he or his family would loose the rite to sue the police for not ensuring health and safety etc was complied with. Either you use the equipment or suffer the consequences of injury without compensation claims being made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Perfect. A bit of paper mache and glue coating and you're good for battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 The Sikh religion is one of the most open minded that I (personally) have come across and I am good friends with a couple of Sikh guys who view this story in the same way as we would do with representatives of any minority quango which is out to make a name for themselves ! When it comes to gay rights, black police associations etc.. you often find that the 'silent majority' of their type, really don't give a monkeys, but the leaders of their groups make a huge issue out of something which can normally be resolved with just a bit of common sense, rather than the sensationalist headlines that they seem to thrive on !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 The Sikh religion is one of the most open minded that I (personally) have come across and I am good friends with a couple of Sikh guys who view this story in the same way as we would do with representatives of any minority quango which is out to make a name for themselves ! When it comes to gay rights, black police associations etc.. you often find that the 'silent majority' of their type, really don't give a monkeys, but the leaders of their groups make a huge issue out of something which can normally be resolved with just a bit of common sense, rather than the sensationalist headlines that they seem to thrive on !! A bit like this society for black lawyers chap who seems to be enjoying his five minutes of fame re the fa racism claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 We have had this for years in the construction industry with Sikhs, and a lot of the wear the hard hat with their hair inside the hat and protective mesh, as they understand the risk, but some choose not to, and they DO sign to identify they accept the risk. the biggest problem we have had is with Rastafarians who can'tr wear one, but who with some clients aren't allowed the choice that Sikhs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 The way I see it is tgat religion is a concept that is slowly dieing, we all know deep down its a ton of crap. If my belief was to get a daily blowjob at work do they have to accomodate it ? Surely if your job gets in the way of your belief why would you apply for the job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 We have had this for years in the construction industry with Sikhs, and a lot of the wear the hard hat with their hair inside the hat and protective mesh, as they understand the risk, but some choose not to, and they DO sign to identify they accept the risk. the biggest problem we have had is with Rastafarians who can'tr wear one, but who with some clients aren't allowed the choice that Sikhs do. Are they allowed to smoke pot on site ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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