Saint Charlie Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Theres a lot on this board who seem to like a bit of gossip rather than the actual football. I'm pretty sure a lot of the negative rumours re Saints, Cortese etc come from the same few people who know a few outside sources who are linked to players, or ex players and are fed third hand bits of tittle tattle. The same ones that stopped being 'ITK' once the takeover happened. The same ones that never seem to hear anything positive....or choose to ignore it. Dark forces at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Who are these people, young Charles? They should be outed so that we can all see their propaganda for what it is. Names, my lad; we need names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Funny though, as I speak to some Saints fans who don't use this forum....I get told 'news' which has been on here a few days before. I'm sure this forum has a lot more viewers that don't post than people that do post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I've heard the Rupert Lowe now posts on here to cause trouble. He goes under the name of Miltonroader07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Funny though, as I speak to some Saints fans who don't use this forum..... Saints fans that don't post on here? Come on now, I find that hard to beleive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Saints fans that don't post on here? Come on now, I find that hard to beleive. The worrying thing is that these people probably hear some of these stories via the lunatic fringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Who are these people, young Charles? They should be outed so that we can all see their propaganda for what it is. Names, my lad; we need names. Shouldn't you be making Turkish's tea for him about this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Shouldn't you be making Turkish's tea for him about this time? Well, I'm confused now. I've never met Turkish, let alone made tea for him. What a strange thing to ask. But the answer is, quite clearly, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Shouldn't you be making Turkish's tea for him about this time? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 There are no dark forces just people upset they are no longer on the gravy train. Beyond this board I have yet to meet anyone (supporters) who is ****ed off with the club, the chairman, the owners, the tea lady etc. Most just seem disappointed at the way we have started the season. In the old days that would just be normal football talk for us as how often did we start the season well? But now a loss to a team = some have to press the conspiracy/rumour button. I miss the days when we just talked about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 St Marco, you are clearly 'in on it' as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 There are no dark forces just people upset they are no longer on the gravy train. Beyond this board I have yet to meet anyone (supporters) who is ****ed off with the club, the chairman, the owners, the tea lady etc. Most just seem disappointed at the way we have started the season. In the old days that would just be normal football talk for us as how often did we start the season well? But now a loss to a team = some have to press the conspiracy/rumour button. I miss the days when we just talked about football Think the politics have always been churning over in the background - the whole notion of a club being so much more than just a club they support to fans, the in the veins thing means some are always more vocal if they disagree with what the ownership is doing, or since the Sky era which drew in a different type, even more so, especially as the 'new' owners often dont come from footballing backgrounds etc... it upsets their ideal, a utopian vision where the owners and chair persons see the club as a charity to which they donate, that has fans on the board etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Think the politics have always been churning over in the background - the whole notion of a club being so much more than just a club they support to fans' date=' the in the veins thing means some are always more vocal if they disagree with what the ownership is doing, or since the Sky era which drew in a different type, even more so, especially as the 'new' owners often dont come from footballing backgrounds etc... it upsets their ideal, a utopian vision where the owners and chair persons see the club as a charity to which they donate, that has fans on the board etc...[/quote'] Owners or people that run football clubs will always be questioned by the fans. Few could argue the level of questioning or scrutiny they come under, goes up, when the team is not performing, but in the main it is always there - Manchester United are a good example. As for new owners not coming from footballing backgrounds - WTF???????????? In my lifetime, I've only known Solicitiors, Coroners, Retirement home owners, Builders, Engineers, bankers and experts in Rail technology, running the club. I think we are all well past that ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Ive heard Rupes and Andrew Cowan have a consortium waiting in the wings to buy the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 If Cortese was a normal bloke I doubt there would be talk about Dark Forces but people are amazed about his behavior and get upset . I know someone who used to work there and from what they have told me it is not the best place to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Scepticism is a bloody good starting point when considering the motives and actions of any football club owner or chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 If Cortese was a normal bloke I doubt there would be talk about Dark Forces but people are amazed about his behavior and get upset . I know someone who used to work there and from what they have told me it is not the best place to work. Peoples experiences in any workplace differs quite considerably....particularly when substantial change is involved....people hate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Shouldn't you be making Turkish's tea for him about this time? What a strange post and yet again Norway Saint is posting about me, this time on a thread I've not even looked at until now. There are some obsessed people on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Dark Forces? Lets face it, it's probably the Freemasons isn't it, all conspiracy theories have to involve them somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I have a couple of sources in the media and from the club but choose not to post everything I hear because doing so may sometimes put the sources in a difficult position or the info is just not worth ,although since the takeover the information I get is few and far between. There are no dark forces IMO,it's just that the prem has changed so much since our departure and so much more money is involved that people can't accept that we no longer belong amongst the elite.........this coupled with expectation and talk of champions league and then not living up to it is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I have a couple of sources in the media and from the club but choose not to post everything I hear because doing so may sometimes put the sources in a difficult position or the info is just not worth ,although since the takeover the information I get is few and far between. There are no dark forces IMO,it's just that the prem has changed so much since our departure and so much more money is involved that people can't accept that we no longer belong amongst the elite.........this coupled with expectation and talk of champions league and then not living up to it is the problem. Indeed. How utterly ridiculous and embarassing does all the talk of champions league football sound now, as some of us said it would. The hilarious thing is that a lot of people are now saying they dont mind going down afterall and so on. Superb location by the way sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I've heard the Rupert Lowe now posts on here to cause trouble. He goes under the name of Miltonroader07 It is a scandal; off with his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I have a couple of sources in the media and from the club but choose not to post everything I hear because doing so may sometimes put the sources in a difficult position or the info is just not worth ,although since the takeover the information I get is few and far between. There are no dark forces IMO,it's just that the prem has changed so much since our departure and so much more money is involved that people can't accept that we no longer belong amongst the elite.........this coupled with expectation and talk of champions league and then not living up to it is the problem. What do you mean by elite; the top of the table or the prem. We were never part of the top elite before but we are certainly not out of our depth in the prem. Strange comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Cannot be a true Saints fan if they don't post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 The worrying thing is that these people probably hear some of these stories via the lunatic fringe. Ere nothing wrong with us on the lunatic fringe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Those dark forces are afraid of the Dalek because the key to understanding our recent plight is the Spring of 2004. The Dalek knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I've heard the Rupert Lowe now posts on here to cause trouble. He goes under the name of Miltonroader07 No I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Ive heard Rupes and Andrew Cowan have a consortium waiting in the wings to buy the club They have not got a pot to p**s in Why would he come back after the abuse he took last time. I used to have the picture of him exiting as my screen saver. For hopefully the last time arrogance and stupidity are a dangerous combination. In terms of Andrew Cowan, he did a lot for this club and worked very hard but he was tarred with the same 'stupid' brush as Lowe and became unemployable which is a real pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 They have not got a pot to p**s in Why would he come back after the abuse he took last time. I used to have the picture of him exiting as my screen saver. For hopefully the last time arrogance and stupidity are a dangerous combination. In terms of Andrew Cowan, he did a lot for this club and worked very hard but he was tarred with the same 'stupid' brush as Lowe and became unemployable which is a real pity. I used to do some work for a guy called called Cowan. He was a very pleasant bloke, I liked him a lot, and his wife was a a very nice lady as well. The odd thing was, when I first met him he was living in the Sarisbury Green area and trading in some weird business that I didnt understand at all, offshore/overseas type stuff, then he became a lay preacher and devoted his life to the church, then he moved house, then he had the idea of selling surround-sound systems under a special patent which he had just happened upon, then he moved house again and found a greenhouse-type thingy in his new back garden that looked a bit like the ones at the Eden project and discovered that the house's previous owner had designed them and held the patent on them, which he bought out and started to manufacture and market. One of the oddest fish I've ever met. Nice bloke though. Thanks for reading, and sorry to have wasted your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 What a strange post and yet again Norway Saint is posting about me, this time on a thread I've not even looked at until now. There are some obsessed people on this forum. *falls of chair* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I have a couple of sources in the media and from the club but choose not to post everything I hear because doing so may sometimes put the sources in a difficult position or the info is just not worth ,although since the takeover the information I get is few and far between. There are no dark forces IMO,it's just that the prem has changed so much since our departure and so much more money is involved that people can't accept that we no longer belong amongst the elite.........this coupled with expectation and talk of champions league and then not living up to it is the problem. Paper boys don't count as people in the media! from the club? Is that the Holy Family club? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 What do you mean by elite; the top of the table or the prem. We were never part of the top elite before but we are certainly not out of our depth in the prem. Strange comment. We belonged with the elite for 28 years and earned our status but now we don't belong,we are struggling like hell to keep up,we are still a championship team trying to make it 'big in the city' and we are definately out of our depth at the moment.......results and a catalogue of individual amateur errors by championship standard players and a 'wet behind the ears' manager must tell you that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliegeorgesflymo Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 If Cortese was a normal bloke I doubt there would be talk about Dark Forces but people are amazed about his behavior and get upset . I know someone who used to work there and from what they have told me it is not the best place to work. In fairness though most places of employment are not the best places to work in my experience - I have worked for a few idiots in my time and I am sure I was viewed likewise. Human nature dictates that most of us want to coast doing the the minimum and collecting the maximum salary we can get away with - NC strikes me as somebody who is driven and ambitious so is probably going to p off a few people who don't share that. It's just a clash of cultures. I do not necessarily want my club to be a comfortable place to work - I want it to be challenging and ambitious and I want results on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I used to do some work for a guy called called Cowan. He was a very pleasant bloke, I liked him a lot, and his wife was a a very nice lady as well. The odd thing was, when I first met him he was living in the Sarisbury Green area and trading in some weird business that I didnt understand at all, offshore/overseas type stuff, then he became a lay preacher and devoted his life to the church, then he moved house, then he had the idea of selling surround-sound systems under a special patent which he had just happened upon, then he moved house again and found a greenhouse-type thingy in his new back garden that looked a bit like the ones at the Eden project and discovered that the house's previous owner had designed them and held the patent on them, which he bought out and started to manufacture and market. One of the oddest fish I've ever met. Nice bloke though. Thanks for reading, and sorry to have wasted your time. At last a post that hits the nail on the head! I know exactly what you mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 If Cortese was a normal bloke I doubt there would be talk about Dark Forces but people are amazed about his behavior and get upset . I know someone who used to work there and from what they have told me it is not the best place to work. Define normal. Perhaps he is the epitome of what constitutes normal for somebody Italian with a background in banking, in the same way that Rupert was your normal bloke with a public school background. I suspect that those who run football clubs, or indeed any similar type of business, are not your average "normal" individuals. But so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 We belonged with the elite for 28 years and earned our status but now we don't belong,we are struggling like hell to keep up,we are still a championship team trying to make it 'big in the city' and we are definately out of our depth at the moment.......results and a catalogue of individual amateur errors by championship standard players and a 'wet behind the ears' manager must tell you that Just the same as the England team are out of their depth too, playing friendly matches against teams who would have been considered inferior before, but who are now capable of trouncing us and punishing individual errors by defenders and the goalkeeper. Does it sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Define normal. Perhaps he is the epitome of what constitutes normal for somebody Italian with a background in banking, in the same way that Rupert was your normal bloke with a public school background. I suspect that those who run football clubs, or indeed any similar type of business, are not your average "normal" individuals. But so what? Yes you are right Wes I have used the wrong word If Cortese was a reasonable bloke I doubt there would be talk about Dark Forces but people are amazed about his behavior and get upset . I know someone who used to work there and from what they have told me it is not the best place to work because of wild behavior. You can be reasonable and be successfull So if he behaved reasonably I doubt there would be discussions about Dark Forces So why do you think there are apparently Dark Forces at work Wes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 (edited) To clarify - by dark forces I don't mean Cortese at all, quite the opposite - more the smear campaign that surrounds him and the club, the bits of tittle tattle which nobody ever seems to substantiate at all... Seeing as these still persisted through two successive promotions you wonder who is behind it all? Certain folk on here are clearly fed info by sources they respect, but for what purpose? The club was transformed yet there is always something "wrong". Do they actually believe some of the stuff they repeat? Or are told they have to pass it on so they are kept in the loop? Edited 15 November, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 To clarify - by dark forces I don't mean Cortese at all, quite the opposite - more the smear campaign that surrounds him and the club, the bits of tittle tattle which nobody ever seems to substantiate at all... Seeing as these still persisted through two successive promotions you wonder who is behind it all? Certain folk on here are clearly fed info by sources they respect, but for what purpose? The club was transformed yet there is always something "wrong". Do they actually believe some of the stuff they repeat? Or are told they have to pass it on so they are kept in the loop? I think we can guess who you're referring to. Interesting that they haven't commented on this thread. I think the weekend interviews on Soccer Saturday from Benali and the editor of the Echo are good examples. Both say that they hope no one is interfering with the first team. No evidence at all, just a suggestion but aired to millions of viewers and obviously doesn't do the club any good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I think we can guess who you're referring to. Interesting that they haven't commented on this thread. I think the weekend interviews on Soccer Saturday from Benali and the editor of the Echo are good examples. Both say that they hope no one is interfering with the first team. No evidence at all, just a suggestion but aired to millions of viewers and obviously doesn't do the club any good at all. Good example - hadn't seen that as was at the game. Im not referring to specific individuals but more a group which tends to pass on snippets with little to back it up. As you say - all this stuff about NC interfering with the team - why would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I think we can guess who you're referring to. Interesting that they haven't commented on this thread. I think the weekend interviews on Soccer Saturday from Benali and the editor of the Echo are good examples. Both say that they hope no one is interfering with the first team. No evidence at all, just a suggestion but aired to millions of viewers and obviously doesn't do the club any good at all. Sorry but I try not to come on here too much, who do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I think we can guess who you're referring to. Interesting that they haven't commented on this thread. I think the weekend interviews on Soccer Saturday from Benali and the editor of the Echo are good examples. Both say that they hope no one is interfering with the first team. No evidence at all, just a suggestion but aired to millions of viewers and obviously doesn't do the club any good at all. I guess you are refering to me. I'm going to keep out of these threads for now and let you lot carry on with your hero worship, for now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Sorry but I try not to come on here too much, who do you mean? Those who send a cold shiver down your spine each time they post. People who would rather see the club hold on to history and tradition at all costs rather than see the club progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I guess you are refering to me. I'm going to keep out of these threads for now and let you lot carry on with your hero worship, for now.... Seeing as you have commented I think that doesn't mean you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 (edited) I guess you are refering to me. I'm going to keep out of these threads for now and let you lot carry on with your hero worship, for now.... Bit of a complex Turkish? You never crossed my mind. Edit: why is it hero worship not believe that NC picks the team? Edited 15 November, 2012 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Those who send a cold shiver down your spine each time they post. People who would rather see the club hold on to history and tradition at all costs rather than see the club progress. Wouldn't agree 100% with that. History and tradition is a vital part of any club - but equally so is the present day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Seeing as these still persisted through two successive promotions you wonder who is behind it all? Certain folk on here are clearly fed info by sources they respect, but for what purpose? The club was transformed yet there is always something "wrong". Do they actually believe some of the stuff they repeat? Or are told they have to pass it on so they are kept in the loop? Or they just give a sh.it about the club and don't want to see us turning into the blind eyed sycophants that the skates were? And maybe they don't just respect their sources but are friends with them and don't want to get them in trouble? And maybe, just maybe the fact these stories have been doing the rounds for so long they actually hold some truth? Mind you you could always believe a press statement from someone that's in the center of the allegations, though me i tend to think you always question the source otherwise you'd believe there weren't any tanks in Baghdad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Or they just give a sh.it about the club and don't want to see us turning into the blind eyed sycophants that the skates were? And maybe they don't just respect their sources but are friends with them and don't want to get them in trouble? And maybe, just maybe the fact these stories have been doing the rounds for so long they actually hold some truth? Mind you you could always believe a press statement from someone that's in the center of the allegations, though me i tend to think you always question the source otherwise you'd believe there weren't any tanks in Baghdad... When your owner/Chariman oversees successive promotions, yet rumour would suggest he is the devil there are clearly darker forces at play - whose interests are served by putting it out there? I don't doubt it is from friends, but what do these friends want to happen? There are many who seem to want rid of Cortese, some very obvious figures - why is that? Because their mate works in an office at Saints and doesn't like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 When your owner/Chariman oversees successive promotions, yet rumour would suggest he is the devil there are clearly darker forces at play - whose interests are served by putting it out there? I don't doubt it is from friends, but what do these friends want to happen? There are many who seem to want rid of Cortese, some very obvious figures - why is that? Because their mate works in an office at Saints and doesn't like it? On the pitch has been good of course, but is that Cortese or us outspending other teams in the league? As for why? Well except for the appalling working conditions that many of the staff are under, the treatment of the local press and the enemies that are being made in the rest of the football community... maybe it could also be about the fact that we have no real idea about the finances of the club and a very hard rumour going round is that we're being run at a significant loss and not being backed anymore. Of course you can (and will) deny that, which is your prerogative, but i'd rather question these things and not act like a skate with his head buried deep in a fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 November, 2012 (edited) On the pitch has been good of course, but is that Cortese or us outspending other teams in the league? As for why? Well except for the appalling working conditions that many of the staff are under, the treatment of the local press and the enemies that are being made in the rest of the football community... maybe it could also be about the fact that we have no real idea about the finances of the club and a very hard rumour going round is that we're being run at a significant loss and not being backed anymore. Of course you can (and will) deny that, which is your prerogative, but i'd rather question these things and not act like a skate with his head buried deep in a fish. See the point you make but these rumours started almost as soon as he took over. As others have said - something was fundamentally wrong at Saints hence going into Admin. NC saw fit to shake it up, if that made people work a bit harder or whatever then thats his choice - as it is the choice of any employee to stay or go. However - despite all these hints and rumours I have yet to hear of one story where someone has actually said something that he has actually done! Apparantly there are loads - and Im sure the local press would be gagging to publish - but nothing... Of course one thing he did was alienate people who got fed all the gossip under previous regimes, and I doubt they didn't like being a "normal fan" anymore. For me this is a discussion aside from the finances, which any fan of course should be aware of and care about. Most of the snipes are not about money anyway... Edited 15 November, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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