alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 How on earth anyone can seriously believe that we were better than Reading last year, especially at SMS, is just brilliant. Much as it annoyed me, McDermott was correct when he said Reading were by far the best team in the division, once the first 7 weeks were excluded. Funny how all our happy-clappies can say now that our first couple of months can be set aside and we can stay up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 How on earth anyone can seriously believe that we were better than Reading last year, especially at SMS, is just brilliant. Much as it annoyed me, McDermott was correct when he said Reading were by far the best team in the division, once the first 7 weeks were excluded. Funny how all our happy-clappies can say now that our first couple of months can be set aside and we can stay up.... Hammond (Davis helped) cost us the game at SMS, if we'd have had Morgan we wouldn't have lost and we'd have won the title. Probably why Hammond has been farmed out, I think we really wanted that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2012 How on earth anyone can seriously believe that we were better than Reading last year, especially at SMS, is just brilliant. Much as it annoyed me, McDermott was correct when he said Reading were by far the best team in the division, once the first 7 weeks were excluded. Funny how all our happy-clappies can say now that our first couple of months can be set aside and we can stay up.... Were you at the game? Can't argue the result but we did play them off the pitch for most of the game? If you were there or watched on TV you could easily conclude we should have won. Just like when we beat Leeds away it is far to say they were the better team although the result suggests we were. And McDermott can say what he wants, after 7 games they were almost bottom, so we were certainly better on a consistent basis hence being top 2 all season. Anyway as you said, they beat us last year so thats enough reason to think they will again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Yes - he is aware of the league table and that they were 2 points ahead of us. Real won La Liga but Barca are still better IMO just like Utd are better than City. I would bet us on to beat Reading at SMS. How do you define better? I assume you mean in 5 games on a neutral ground, Saints would win more than Reading? Because the evidence would point the other way (or certainly did last season). They finished above us. They achieved 4 points against us, whereas we achieved 1 against them. I would say that they were a better team than us last season. In fact, I believe that is indisputable. Real were better last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2012 (edited) How do you define better? I assume you mean in 5 games on a neutral ground, Saints would win more than Reading? Because the evidence would point the other way (or certainly did last season). They finished above us. They achieved 4 points against us, whereas we achieved 1 against them. I would say that they were a better team than us last season. In fact, I believe that is indisputable. Real were better last season. I would define better as in play better football and are a more skilled team. If we played Reading now for 5 games I would certainly back us to come out on top, regardlesss of what happened last season because we added to our squad and their first XI is largely what they had last year. That is despite some on here moaning that we didn't sign Mariappa, Guthrie, Pogrebnyak - and none of them are first choices. Proof will be when we play them, and it has taken away from the thread. Alpine said Reading would beat us because they did last year - which is just ridiculous whatever way anything is looked at. Edited 14 November, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Hammond (Davis helped) cost us the game at SMS, if we'd have had Morgan we wouldn't have lost and we'd have won the title. Probably why Hammond has been farmed out, I think we really wanted that title. Bit unfair on Hammond IMO, I believe we lost against due to the silly Hollywood pass Fox tried to play across the pitch in the build up to their first which sent straight to their man, and then making no effort whatsoever to prevent the cross which Roberts headed in. Although you could also lay some blame on Davis who was glued to the spot. Then of course there's the suicidal backpass from Fonte to Davis for their 3rd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 We still had about 25 shots to their 3/4. They were crap but got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 How on earth anyone can seriously believe that we were better than Reading last year, especially at SMS, is just brilliant. Much as it annoyed me, McDermott was correct when he said Reading were by far the best team in the division, once the first 7 weeks were excluded. Funny how all our happy-clappies can say now that our first couple of months can be set aside and we can stay up.... Could be said that we were by far the best team in the division, once the last 7 weeks were excluded. But you cant, can you. Just exclude the time your were sh1t to prove you were great. Seriously, you are saying that, from wherever it was that you watched the game, that we did not batter Reading at our place? Well. that is staggering. But still, I guess the euphoria of actually being at the game must have clouded a lot of peoples judgements. They must have scored with every shot they had. we missed SOOOO many. But hey, because they won they must have been better. Just like Celtic are better than Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 We still had about 25 shots to their 3/4. They were crap but got lucky. Their finishing wasn't lucky, it was razor sharp. Probably the best finishing I saw in that division last season. We were like a mace and they were like a rapier. We kept on pounding them and got no-where, they countered with pace and cut us to ribbons. It was no fluke they beat us that night but quite what it has to do with now is anyone's guess. Different players, different league, different confidence levels, different injuries etc. I'd say we go into the game as equals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Their finishing wasn't lucky, it was razor sharp. Probably the best finishing I saw in that division last season. We were like a mace and they were like a rapier. We kept on pounding them and got no-where, they countered with pace and cut us to ribbons. It was no fluke they beat us that night but quite what it has to do with now is anyone's guess. Different players, different league, different confidence levels, different injuries etc. I'd say we go into the game as equals. Our finishing still isn't all that good, don't know about Reading's nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 I would define better as in play better football and are a more skilled team. If we played Reading now for 5 games I would certainly back us to come out on top, regardlesss of what happened last season because we added to our squad and their first XI is largely what they had last year. That is despite some on here moaning that we didn't sign Mariappa, Guthrie, Pogrebnyak - and none of them are first choices. Proof will be when we play them, and it has taken away from the thread. Alpine said Reading would beat us because they did last year - which is just ridiculous whatever way anything is looked at. LOL at this garbage. I define "better" as the team who wins - we failed to beat Reading last season. And I explained my reasoning twice, not my problem you are illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 (edited) We still had about 25 shots to their 3/4. They were crap but got lucky. Ah. The old "luck" chestnut. Yes, they were lucky that we dont come out to defend at the top of the box and they were lucky that Fonte and Fox have been found out the closer they get to the highest level. Edited 14 November, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Their finishing wasn't lucky, it was razor sharp. Probably the best finishing I saw in that division last season. We were like a mace and they were like a rapier. We kept on pounding them and got no-where, they countered with pace and cut us to ribbons. It was no fluke they beat us that night but quite what it has to do with now is anyone's guess. Different players, different league, different confidence levels, different injuries etc. I'd say we go into the game as equals. Yep, they had a a plan, absorbed our directionless unintelligent pressure, and took us apart like a plastic surgeon working on Katie Price's latest boob job when they had the opportunity. Helped by some moronic yet prophetic defending. Personally, I would argue they are favourites in that game, but there are a couple more games beforehand so maybe we should revisit this thread just prior to the game. Me, I am currently predicting a defeat for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Poor old Alps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Poor old Alps. Save your pity for those predicting up to 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Yep, they had a a plan, absorbed our directionless unintelligent pressure, and took us apart like a plastic surgeon working on Katie Price's latest boob job when they had the opportunity. Helped by some moronic yet prophetic defending. Personally, I would argue they are favourites in that game, but there are a couple more games beforehand so maybe we should revisit this thread just prior to the game. Me, I am currently predicting a defeat for us. Shock. It's almost like you want us to get dicked every week so you can have a moan and say 'I told you so'.....miserable b*stard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 We'll probably get 2-3 points from all those games. Anything above that will be a significant bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Save your pity for those predicting up to 10 points. Alps...Leave it out mate:p..No pity needed here. I said up to 12 points... But my Doctor and Missus are trying to help me through my fantasy years:D But you never know....the Missus might run off with the Doctor and I could be cured. And with the mighty Saints you never know. Try a little tenderness ..sometime:scared: Towards The Saints and us Care in the community patients... COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Reading will beat us because they have a better defence than we do. That would be the defence that conceded 7 against Arsenal reserves would it? "We will beat them because we have a better attack than them" would be a more valid argument. Reading have gone backwards since last year, unless it has escaped your notice they have not won a game yet this season, whereas we have whupped Aston Villa 4-1. They have however lost less than us, so if you were going for the draw as a prediction most people would not have too much of an argument with you, as they are becoming bore draw specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Save your pity for those predicting up to 10 points. Yeah, those poor b@stards must be miserable. Never fear, I have plenty of pity to go around, some for you now, some for them after the games. However, none for you after the games, can't be greedy. As you predict the defeats, I expect you to be smug after the games, not like the other miserable gits on here. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 LOL at this garbage. I define "better" as the team who wins - we failed to beat Reading last season. And I explained my reasoning twice, not my problem you are illiterate. Reading lost to Birmingham last season who we thrashed 4-1. Who is better on the basis of this result? They also beat West Ham away 4-2 so this must mean that Reading are better than West Ham? This is how it all works in your black and white little world isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2012 LOL at this garbage. I define "better" as the team who wins - we failed to beat Reading last season. And I explained my reasoning twice, not my problem you are illiterate. LOL - still not explained why the fact they beat us last season automatically means they will this season (no doubt you said) - care to put a wager on it? Say 100quid we win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 QPR: Draw Newcastle: Lose Norwich: Win Liverpool: Lose Reading: Win So much the same as the OP, but less optimistic for Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 QPR: Draw Newcastle: Lose Norwich: Draw Liverpool: Lose Reading: Win 5 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 QPR: Draw Newcastle: Lose Norwich: Draw Liverpool: Lose Reading: Win 5 points. I'd be happy with that as I don't think we will get that even. Five points from fifteen is still relagation form though is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 14 November, 2012 Share Posted 14 November, 2012 Poor old Alps. It must be draining being so relentlessly negative and miserable. I feel for him. We should save up and send him a nice gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I'd take... QPR - Win Newcastle - Lose Norwich - Win Liverpool - Lose Reading - Win This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 All those games are realistically winnable and that's what the team should be thinking. QPR are attrocious from what I have seen of them, they are as bad as us at the back, have little cohesion and are devoid of any attacking threat unless it comes from an individual. Keep Tarrabt quiet (maybe wind him up) and get close to Granero and we can beat them. Newcastle aren't as good as people think they are, they aren't great defensively and are quite direct in their attacking play, however with Ba, Cisse and Ben arfa they will punish any mistakes we make. If we are up for the battle, cut out the errors we can beat them. Norwich have improved recently and are a fairly solid team, but again they don't have a lot of quality or pace that can hurt us. Liverpool are in transition and whilst keep good possesion they are looking a bit suspect defensively and rely heavily on Suarez, if we can keep him out of the game we can keep Liverpool from scoring and we might nick it. Reading again are no better than us, if we play well I think we have more quality going forward to beat them. However more of the stupid errors from the defense and we will probably hand points to all these teams even if they play poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 So far so good! Two massive home games now.......3 wins on the bounce is tough to achieve in this league outside of the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 So far so good! Two massive home games now.......3 wins on the bounce is tough to achieve in this league outside of the top 4. Anyoen know if Collocini and Cabaye will still be out for Newcastle against us next week? If they are I think we have a good chance. Norwich at home will be tough though, they have improved a lot over the last few weeks and looked very solid against Utd. We may have more chance against Newcastle than Norwich because Newcastle will attack us more and that might expose their weeker defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 (edited) Anyoen know if Collocini and Cabaye will still be out for Newcastle against us next week? If they are I think we have a good chance. Norwich at home will be tough though, they have improved a lot over the last few weeks and looked very solid against Utd. We may have more chance against Newcastle than Norwich because Newcastle will attack us more and that might expose their weeker defence. Yes, they are both out for the game. Big opportunity for us. Edited 19 November, 2012 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Rather importantly; we have 7 games until new year, and (currently at least) all of those are against teams in the bottom half of the table except for Fulham, who are ninth. All to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Yea, this period coming up will really define our season. Need min of 4 points from our next teo to keep momentum building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 The strange thing is this. We need to pick up points over the next 7 games until the transfer window opens so that we have a realistic chance of signing decent players to keep us in the division; not many players of genuine PL quality are going to want to join a side that look destined for relegation. That said, it'll be pretty harsh on the players if they do push up the performance levels to get us further up the table, only to see the reward for that being the arrival of new players in their place. It's the harshness of football, I guess. And I think we're still at least one or two players away from a decent crack at survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 The strange thing is this. We need to pick up points over the next 7 games until the transfer window opens so that we have a realistic chance of signing decent players to keep us in the division; not many players of genuine PL quality are going to want to join a side that look destined for relegation. That said, it'll be pretty harsh on the players if they do push up the performance levels to get us further up the table, only to see the reward for that being the arrival of new players in their place. It's the harshness of football, I guess. And I think we're still at least one or two players away from a decent crack at survival. Like you say though it would only be one or two, maximum three and it adds competition to the squad. We could realistically be mid table by January if we keep playing like we did against QPR. No games will be easy (Norwich and Reading have both improved) but none of those teams bar maybe Liverpool are signifigantly better than us. Newcastle are 12th and a win on Sunday and we would only be 3 pts away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 QPR - W 1-2 Newcastle - D 1-1 Norwich - W 2-1 Liverpool - L 3-1 Reading - W 3-0 10 points and out the relegation zone.....(heres hoping!) Even better than I expected ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I see Alpine's 2 point prediction is holding up well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Big Lol at all the Doom mongers, wrist slitters and bedwettwers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I see Alpine's 2 point prediction is holding up well Using Alps McDermmot principle, then in the last 3 games with 7 points, we are unbeatable and top 3 on that form..... Sorry Alps, but you missed the point on Reading - yu cant simply take away your bad periods and be left with your wins to show how how good you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Using Alps McDermmot principle, then in the last 3 games with 7 points, we are unbeatable and top 3 on that form..... Sorry Alps, but you missed the point on Reading - yu cant simply take away your bad periods and be left with your wins to show how how good you are. I doubt Alpine will be on here to reply to this for a little while. Funny that isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 It is interesting that most had us down to get a win against Norwich, but they have picked up in the last few games. Could be the game we do not win. But think we will just about have the edge over them if we take the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 So 10 points from the last 5 games and our tails are up. I'd score the team an A-. Overall a great performance, above expectations but disappointing to have dropped 2 against Norwich and produced a lame performance at Anfield. Considering we have survived a rather brutal introduction to this league and are now starting to find our feet I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get around 45 points and come in lower mid table (injuries permitting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 If anyone needs reminding of the misplaced arrogance of the clueless Alpine Saint, look at his posts on this thread. Reading will beat us because they did last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 Save your pity for those predicting up to 10 points. With your record and history of posting, I wouldn't have the face to post again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 QPR - D Newcastle - L Norwich - L Liverpool - D Reading - L 2 points. Adkins gone either following QPR or Reading. Whatever. Argue with yourself. My prediction is that they will beat us - they were better than us last season, and we've gone backwards. I think those of you predicting up to 10 points from 15 considering our record of 5 from 33 are barking... Save your pity for those predicting up to 10 points. I doubt Alpine will be on here to reply to this for a little while. Funny that isn't it? For all his bluster and poo pooing the possibility of us getting the 10 points we did, I'm sure he is as happy as the rest of us at how things have turned around. Plenty of others were also predicting pretty poor outcomes for the 4 games, but only Alps backed his up with such gusto!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 Whatever. Argue with yourself. My prediction is that they will beat us - they were better than us last season, and we've gone backwards. I think those of you predicting up to 10 points from 15 considering our record of 5 from 33 are barking... It's as if Saints did it just to make you sound like a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 are our "play off hopes [still] hanging by a thread"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 For all his bluster and poo pooing the possibility of us getting the 10 points we did, I'm sure he is as happy as the rest of us at how things have turned around. Plenty of others were also predicting pretty poor outcomes for the 4 games, but only Alps backed his up with such gusto!! Perhaps apologies to those who were personally insulted would be in order. Wrong opinions are inevitable and can be forgiven. Personal insults are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 For all his bluster and poo pooing the possibility of us getting the 10 points we did, I'm sure he is as happy as the rest of us at how things have turned around. Plenty of others were also predicting pretty poor outcomes for the 4 games, but only Alps backed his up with such gusto!! Why try and defend him? He'd be all over this had we actually only got 2 points. As we won though we won't see much of him until we lose again, so yes I'm sure he is really happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 Somebody needs to be sent to the humble pie thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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