Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 All 3 of our keepers have cost us goals, I would stick with Gazza because he has more potential. that makes no sense what so ever...would rather go with experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 that makes no sense what so ever...would rather go with experience... I would rather go with talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I would rather go with talent. boruc has the talent in the bag...and the champions league, seria A and international caps t bring to the table.. gazza has a handful of games with gillingham, a few prem games with some howlers to bring to the table..and some potential....bailkowski had potential too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 boruc has the talent in the bag...and the champions league, seria A and international caps t bring to the table.. gazza has a handful of games with gillingham, a few prem games with some howlers to bring to the table..and some potential....bailkowski had potential too I think Gazza is a better goalkeeper, so does Adkins obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 (edited) I would rather go with talent. I agree, but what have we seen that suggests he's particulary talented at present? I've yet to see him make one save that any run of the mill Premeiership keeper wouldn't have made. Had he been playing for QPR yesterday, it would have been 5 or 6. Watched the second half of Norwich-Man Utd near Waterloo, had he been playing instead of Ruddy I dont think Norwich would have picked up 3 points. I've yet to be convinced he's some sort of wonder kid, and in the ansence of another option would rather go with Boruc. Edited 18 November, 2012 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I agree, but what have we seen that suggests he's particulary talented at present? I've yet to see him make one save that any run of the mill Premeiership keeper wouldn't have made. Had he been playing for QPR yesterday, it would have been 5 or 6. Watched the second half of Norwich-Man Utd near Waterloo, had he been playing instead of Ruddy I dont think Norwich would have picked up 3 points. Playing a kid in goal is far from ideal. I think we made a big mistake in not forking out for a top keeper in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Thinks its time to bring kelvin back. The guy is red and white through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Thinks its time to bring kelvin back. The guy is red and white through and through. What an amazing reason to make someone 1st team keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Playing a kid in goal is far from ideal. I think we made a big mistake in not forking out for a top keeper in the summer. Clearly it was a mistake and I feel sorry for the kid. I think that sooner or later he's going to have a Bart against Blackpool game and that could really set him back. I would give Boru a run until Jan and then look at the options. If he's done ok, then fine. If he hasn't we need to get someone in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Funny watching the MOTD repeat with my son this morning and we both said Gazza reminded us of Bart with his handling of the ball..... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I think Gazza is a better goalkeeper, so does Adkins obviously.i think that NA has boxed himself into a corner, after he brought GAzza back after playing Boruc it is now hard for him to drop him for KD. I really hope Iam wrong, but Bart...I mean Gazza is an accident waiting to happen again. KD had a tough group of games and was looking insecure I concede that, but the defence against Arsenal and Man U was dire , he was left exposed. The thing that saddens me most is that the amount of posters who have sat back and waited to attack KD and do not have the grace to accept how great KD has been. It him and RL who have helped most in getting us where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It has to be Boruc. Have not seen Gazzaniga make a decent save yet and pretty much any shot on target against him seems to go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It's a non contest, Boruc is clearly the best keeper we have. Gazza looked like a league 2 keeper yesterday. Quite mystifying why Boruc isn't playing and it makes me wonder if something is going on behind the scenes because by rights he should have been between the sticks over a month ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Gazzaniga's positioning is woeful... bring back Boruc - a proven international.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 i think that NA has boxed himself into a corner, after he brought GAzza back after playing Boruc it is now hard for him to drop him for KD. I really hope Iam wrong, but Bart...I mean Gazza is an accident waiting to happen again. KD had a tough group of games and was looking insecure I concede that, but the defence against Arsenal and Man U was dire , he was left exposed. The thing that saddens me most is that the amount of posters who have sat back and waited to attack KD and do not have the grace to accept how great KD has been. It him and RL who have helped most in getting us where we are now. Davis is nowhere near good enough. Good shotstopper except on his near post, useless at crosses, communication, distribution, line bound like a rabbit in the headlights, regularly bats the ball back out for forwards to score, makes Fonte a nervous wreck, Adkins would need sectioning if he picks him in the Premier other than if other two are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Boruc was poor against Man Utd U21s, Woeful against West Ham, very average against Spurs. He has done nothing at this club so far that should entitle him to replace Gazzaniga. I may be wrong but I don't think Adkins will change this team unless he has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Thinks its time to bring kelvin back. The guy is red and white through and through. What an amazing reason to make someone 1st team keeper. Same nonsense used to be trotted out about Benali week after week. Although no one ever doubted his commitment he was often a liability in defence. As for the original question, it is becoming clear that we have three gk's, none of whom can be relied upon. KD - great sevant, but not up to it , PG - good prospect, not yet ready, and yesterday's highlighting of his shortcomings on MOTD won't help his confidence, AB - who was highly rated once upon a time but overweight, out of condition, throw in the 'bottle incident' , and you have to wonder what is left. Hope one of them grasps the opportunity. If not, add GK to our shopping list in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I can't believe the amount of people on here wanting KD back in goal. I'm afraid there is a very good reason why he's not once, but twice been dropped for a rookie goalkeeper at PL level in his career. (Gazzaniga for us and Alnwick at Sunderland) He always has been a very good championship level goalkeeper and at that level and below he's able to largely hide his weaknesses. Superb shot stopper but his distribution and command of his area are nowhere near good enough. The PL is ruthless and we're facing quality week in week out, and again KD's been completely found out in these departments. A couple of soft goals and KD's confidence just goes and sadly I think mentally he knows he simply isn't good enough for the PL, especially now at 36. So far our keepers have been, Gazzaniga - unconvincing but has a lot of potential Boruc - should be our number 1 but has so far been slow, overweight and gaffe prone KD - hate to say it but a complete liability at PL level IMO Gazzaniga has been the best keeper so far but it's more down to the fact that Boruc and Davis have been so poor rather than he's been so good. He's made mistakes but the lad can only learn from them. All 3 keepers have been chucked in the deep end and it's quite significant IMO that a 20 year old has coped better than 2 other keepers significantly more experienced than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I can't believe the amount of people on here wanting KD back in goal. I'm afraid there is a very good reason why he's not once, but twice been dropped for a rookie goalkeeper at PL level in his career. (Gazzaniga for us and Alnwick at Sunderland) He always has been a very good championship level goalkeeper and at that level and below he's able to largely hide his weaknesses. Superb shot stopper but his distribution and command of his area are nowhere near good enough. The PL is ruthless and we're facing quality week in week out, and again KD's been completely found out in these departments. A couple of soft goals and KD's confidence just goes and sadly I think mentally he knows he simply isn't good enough for the PL, especially now at 36. So far our keepers have been, Gazzaniga - unconvincing but has a lot of potential Boruc - should be our number 1 but has so far been slow, overweight and gaffe prone KD - hate to say it but a complete liability at PL level IMO Gazzaniga has been the best keeper so far but it's more down to the fact that Boruc and Davis have been so poor rather than he's been so good. He's made mistakes but the lad can only learn from them. All 3 keepers have been chucked in the deep end and it's quite significant IMO that a 20 year old has coped better than 2 other keepers significantly more experienced than him. Sums the situation up accurately IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 On paper it should be boruc but I do wonder if the incident against spurs will mean he will not play again for us. NA considers the fans ery highly and is thankfull for the support we have shoiwn him and the team.plaing boruc will no doubt split the fan base . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 The problem is that the best we can do at the moment is play the least bad keeper. They all have weaknesses. Kelvin doesn't command his area, particularly with crosses, pushes too many shots straight back out and is looking dodgy on his near post. But he anticipates well when he does come off his line. Boric to me looks unfit, slow both in decision-making and reactions. The couple of times I've seen him he inspires no confidence at all. Although he might have stopped the goal yesterday, I doubt he would have made the saves Gazza made, including the fingertip push onto the post. KD might well have stopped the goal, but could equally well have been beaten on his near post. Gazzajiga's positioning is poor but for some reason the defence seem to play better in front of him. I'd probably persevere with him in the hope that he will learn and improve quickly, as unfortunately the other two are going nowhere but downhill and living on past glories. But if I had to choose between KD and Boruc, KD every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Boruc is obviously unfit and Gazza needs a run. I'ld stick with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Reckon Boruc would have kept a clean sheet at Loftus Rd It's time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Boruc back in for me, he wouldn't have lost his place had it not been for the incident in the spurs game. This has now been sorted, he's either been punished or not, and after Gazza costing us points against Fulham and then looking calamity against QPR. Last thing we want after it looks like the defence is finally getting to grips with the league is a liability behind them. Boruc is our best keeper anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Gazzaniga is what he is. A talented if unfinished player. On paper Boruc is the more finished article but given his levels of fitness, his recent issue with the fans and the fact gazzaniga has been in the team while results have improved somewhat i'd be surprised if we changed it. I'll trust adkins to make that choice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 and after Gazza costing us points against Fulham Did you watch a different Gazza against a different Fulham team?!?! Both goals went in because Jos deemed it fit to try and make us really work for anything that day. First goal he decided to send in when it was going wide and second he thought would be a good idea to get a touch on when Gazza had gone the right way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Reckon Boruc would have kept a clean sheet at Loftus Rd It's time ! Really? There were at least two saves that I don't think Boruc would have got anywhwere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Really? There were at least two saves that I don't think Boruc would have got anywhwere near. Which saves were they then? There was one when Taarabt got through and he stood solid to make a fairly routine save at the near post, one from Holliet that he shovelled round the post, when in reality he could have chucked his cap on it, it was so poor, and another one where he looked like he was fielding a googly. I cant recall any save that any keeper in any of the 4 professional leagues couldn't have made. There was some good keeping Saturday , but it was their keeper doing it. Our end was just routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Did you watch a different Gazza against a different Fulham team?!?! Both goals went in because Jos deemed it fit to try and make us really work for anything that day. First goal he decided to send in when it was going wide and second he thought would be a good idea to get a touch on when Gazza had gone the right way..... Sorry, meant Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Am I the only one that thinks the team and Davis himself back Gazza a lot? From the warm-ups I've seen at SMS they always have a personal chat and I've seen that players are generally supportive of him during the game. It also strikes that he has a good influence on the team, with the back four being in good shape with him in goal. Maybe Adkins realises this (and was a GK himself so he's got to know something) and has decided to invest in him. If you think Butland or Hart haven't and won't make these mistakes you are deluded. Unless of course there's some prejudice in your minds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Am I the only one that thinks the team and Davis himself back Gazza a lot? From the warm-ups I've seen at SMS they always have a personal chat and I've seen that players are generally supportive of him during the game. It also strikes that he has a good influence on the team, with the back four being in good shape with him in goal. Maybe Adkins realises this (and was a GK himself so he's got to know something) and has decided to invest in him. If you think Butland or Hart haven't and won't make these mistakes you are deluded. Unless of course there's some prejudice in your minds... Davis has a great attitude and is a credit to his profession. I hope the club can keep him on in some capacity when he hangs his gloves up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 19 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2012 I think Gazz could be similar to De Gea at Man U. Young, learning his way, give him time and he'll become a fantastic PL keeper. I would risk Boruc again for the next game, remember watching a Benfica v Celtic on holiday and he was world class, few years ago granted but he must have it, perhaps now he's had some time to adjust bring him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Listening to Sports Bar on TalkSport late last night and was surprised to hear them including Saints players in their teams of the week. Biggest surprise was Bobby Gould selecting GAZZA as his goalkeeper saying he's coming on fast and Sunday was brilliant. Ramirez, Adam were also chose in Andy Goldstein's selection. Well done GAZZA, very much deserved. Got a feeling the club's discovered a "litte" gem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 ^^ Yes! Everyone is slowly starting to get into Gazza! Think we've done something right getting a better priced up and coming keeper that wont be hampered (ruined) by England expectations. Sorry, meant Swansea. Oh fair enough, was just one mistake that cost us 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yep. I was advocating Boruc should be first choice a few weeks back but gut feel now is that we should stick with Gazza as No.1 for the foreseeable future. If we can grasp the momentum from the last 3 games as keep growing the confidence that we are now starting to see ooze through the team then the more younger players that can cement a place in the team the better IMO (Tune in next week when I'll be back advocating Boruc after a couple of Gazza howlers....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 4 December, 2012 Share Posted 4 December, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Done a bit of digging in regards to Artur Boruc's status at #SaintsFC. He is still at the club, just seemingly in no man's land right now. Simon Peach @SimonPeach Will ask Nigel Adkins about Boruc & Gaston Ramirez at Thursday's press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Will ask Nigel Adkins about Boruc & Gaston Ramirez at Thursday's press conference. Nigel's comments on Boruc were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 No response yet Norm ! Did anyone ask the question ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Whats going on with the goalkeeping situation? Is Gazzaniga injured or now dropped? Why is Davis rated above Boruc? Is there a raffle before each game to decide who goes in goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Boruc sh*t in the nest, Gazza sh*t in the net, Kelvin by default I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Gazza is definitely fit at the moment, just not being selected. Whether this changes for Saturday remains to be seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Marsden = Genius Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 1. Boruc 2. Gazza 3. Davis I really can't understand our fans loyalty towards Davis, he's not good enough for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Boruc sh*t in the nest, Gazza sh*t in the net, Kelvin by default I suspect. I agree with your conclusion, although disagree about Gazzaniga, just too early for him. Perhaps his injury was at a 'convenient' time for the club in order to make the change and restore Kelvin.I think PG may make the grade but we saw Gazzaniga sat with the squad players v Sunderland, and am sorry to say the body language just said "sulk", to me and my son.Perhaps not the attitude NA requires. Boluc has thrived on a reputation earnt elsewhere a few years ago. After his water bottle tantrum, I suspect his time here will be short. KD, is not a Prem standard keeper. Some people do not think we need another GK in January. I can't see us surviving without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 I agree with your conclusion, although disagree about Gazzaniga, just too early for him. Perhaps his injury was at a 'convenient' time for the club in order to make the change and restore Kelvin.I think PG may make the grade but we saw Gazzaniga sat with the squad players v Sunderland, and am sorry to say the body language just said "sulk", to me and my son.Perhaps not the attitude NA requires. Don't get me wrong - out of the three I'd pick Gazzaniga, but I worry that it's just too much of a pressure situation for him to "learn his trade" without lasting damage to his confidence. In time I think he'll be a good keeper - as long as we don't over-expose him. I suspect that he was brought here as "one for the future" but circumstances forced us to play him well before we intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Don't get me wrong - out of the three I'd pick Gazzaniga, but I worry that it's just too much of a pressure situation for him to "learn his trade" without lasting damage to his confidence. In time I think he'll be a good keeper - as long as we don't over-expose him. I suspect that he was brought here as "one for the future" but circumstances forced us to play him well before we intended. Totally agree, it is a big expectation for a 21 year old with only a handfull of L2 games in a new country to make the step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 This thread has spanned a couple of months, I have put a fresh poll up for people's current views. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41985-Goalkeeper-for-2nd-Half-of-the-Season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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