Chin Strain Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 What teams were thy against though.... Did you watch the game last week and today, if so you couldn't possibly say the defence looked more assured with him in goal.... I thought he was very weak today. I'm not sure what he was doing for the goal, or whether he'd have saved it anyway, but it was poor judgement. There were several other very iffy moments. I don't think Boruc's the answer either. I think taking Kelvin out of the spotlight, letting him go back and work on his game, would put him in pole position for me now. He was in the NPC Championship team of the year last season for a reason. I can't believe he's just lost that over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 The fact remains he's the best we've got - and he could go a long way. Who do you suggest is better at the moment? Boruc? Davis? Do me a f*ckin favour. I'd stick with Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 (edited) I'd that's aimed at me, my answer's above. And it's not a fact, it's just your opinion...which you are entitled too....as is everyone else. Edited 17 November, 2012 by Chin Strain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 After today Boruc should come in next game...Gazz was so painfully bad at choosing when to come for the ball or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 After today Boruc should come in next game...Gazz was so painfully bad at choosing when to come for the ball or not... yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I thought he was very weak today. I'm not sure what he was doing for the goal, or whether he'd have saved it anyway, but it was poor judgement. There were several other very iffy moments. I don't think Boruc's the answer either. I think taking Kelvin out of the spotlight, letting him go back and work on his game, would put him in pole position for me now. He was in the NPC Championship team of the year last season for a reason. I can't believe he's just lost that over the summer. totally agree, I do not think we have the best options with either of them but Davis or Boruc both ahead of the Argie for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Playing Gazza is a massive risk. If KD had let the goals in the Gazza has and there would be massive complaints. Just because he is 20 does not deserve to play. KD had a. Poor start by his standards but now he is refreshed he should be the No 1. I have not seen BOrac play but between GAzza and DAvis it should be KD. He and RL are the main reasons we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Watching the game I think if fit boric needs to go in goal.the young gale is not good at decision making . Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I am still sticking with Gazza, yeah his having problems choosing when to come out and when not too, but all 3 of our keepers have the exact same problem. Kelvin has cost us plenty of goals with that problem and Boruc cost us at least one against West Ham and the second against Spurs for it. Gazza has the best attributes for other goal keeping outside of rushing out so I still think stick with him and he'll learn quickly what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Should have got the cross from which they scored and hoofed it to Shaw in a repeat of last week's fiaco but otherwise Ok. Must learn when in doubt boot it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Problem is a keeper blunder usually results in a goal against. Gazzanigga, has and will continue to make more blunders than the other keeper options and ultimately will cost us a lot more points than he wins us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I just feel more comfortable with Gazzaniga in goal than Boruc/Davis. Don't ask why, I just do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 We've taken 4 points from 6 with Gazza in goal - but is that because of or despite him being in goal? Cork has been the reason we've looked better at the back. I would, providing he's fit, like to see Boruc given a few games with fonte & Yoshida at CB with Cork playing the defensive midfield role. On paper, Boruc has the most experience, played Champions League football with Celtic and spent the last 2 years in Serie A, and been Polands number one. I know he looked ropey against WHU and Spurs but then all 3 keepers have looked ropey this season. If it was me, as long as the attitude was right in training, I would go with one change at Newcastle and play Boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Gazza is the future, but is young and will make mistakes. Boruc was horrendously ponderous and slow in the Spurs and West Ham games. I don't want him anywhere near the first team until he is fit. Added to which he seems to have an attitude. That can't help the "together as one" ethos. If Nigel feels that it would be best to rest Gazza, then I would far rather see Kelvin back in goal. On balance though I would prefer to see Gazza retain his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Gazza was getting a bit if a pasting from the commentators on sky . I must admit he looked a bit shaky and was far to far out when they scored . He's only 20 but I would like to see an experienced keeper in the side .i can see what the club are trying to do . Build a very young side that will be good for a few years to come . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 It is screaming out for Davies to be recalled. Premier league experience. The defence is gaining a little confidence, but some of the looks the back 4 were giving Gazza some looks today. They do not have confidence in their keeper, and they really need to have this at the moment, so they can focus on their own game. It is time for a Davies recall, before we lose more points from goalkeeping errors. We should have had a clean sheet last week, and another this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Well Gazza looked poor on the highlights tonight still don't see him being any better than Kelvin from what I've seen of him. (can't comment on Boruc as haven't seen him play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Gazza has a terrible hair cut. For that reason, he shouldn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Well Gazza looked poor on the highlights tonight still don't see him being any better than Kelvin from what I've seen of him. (can't comment on Boruc as haven't seen him play) Was annoyed the highlights seemed to cut out his good saves, good stops and generally good moments. Seemed to want to paint him as "the weakest link" in a cruel premier league takes no prisoners sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Was annoyed the highlights seemed to cut out his good saves, good stops and generally good moments. Seemed to want to paint him as "the weakest link" in a cruel premier league takes no prisoners sort of thing. LOL taken from the BCC website match report..... The manager responded by sending on Jamie Mackie at the break and a sense of urgency was rewarded after 49 minutes when Hoilett flicked Taarabt's cross over Gazzaniga, who had looked the weak link in Saints' performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 LOL taken from the BCC website match report..... The manager responded by sending on Jamie Mackie at the break and a sense of urgency was rewarded after 49 minutes when Hoilett flicked Taarabt's cross over Gazzaniga, who had looked the weak link in Saints' performance. oh Adkins! He should have gotten to it, but so should have a CB who was watching the run... Thankfully its not the end of the world and Gazza got more than enough on everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Was annoyed the highlights seemed to cut out his good saves, good stops and generally good moments. Seemed to want to paint him as "the weakest link" in a cruel premier league takes no prisoners sort of thing. I watched near enough the whole game again, and he did not have much to do, to be fair. One easy save he nearly did not get enough on it, and another save that you would expect any keeper to save. I do not understand what Davies has done to some on here, it reminds me of the fans getting on Paul jones back, when he was still a pretty good keeper. He also was a great servant to the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I do not understand what Davies has done to some on here, it reminds me of the fans getting on Paul jones back, when he was still a pretty good keeper. He also was a great servant to the club! That's just it, he has done nothing wrong as such, he's just out of his depth now for me. He was being beaten at the near post in league one, he made bad decisions in the championship and now in the league we are we need a step up in quality to have a chance at the back. It's a ruthless game football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That's just it, he has done nothing wrong as such, he's just out of his depth now for me. He was being beaten at the near post in league one, he made bad decisions in the championship and now in the league we are we need a step up in quality to have a chance at the back. It's a ruthless game football. You see keepers in the premier league make mistakes every week in games, it is the nature of the beast. I just feel he can add something to the team at this stage. Then maybe bring in a keeper in January? I do not think he has had a fair crack, at the premier league with us.... He cannot do any worse than the goals we have let in over the last 7 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That's just it, he has done nothing wrong as such, he's just out of his depth now for me. He was being beaten at the near post in league one, he made bad decisions in the championship and now in the league we are we need a step up in quality to have a chance at the back. It's a ruthless game football. gazza has made more geniune mistakes against lower quality opposition than davis if davis or boruc had kept in the same manner that gazza has in all his games boruc/davis would be being treated like guly on here yet gazza is given hero status. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Davis 14 goals 4 games no points. Boruc 6 goals 2 games no points. Gazzaniga 10 goals 6 games 8 points. IMO the defence is better with Gazzaniga. Davis games - Man C, Wigan, Arsenal, Man Ure Boruc games - Spurs, West Ham, Gazza games - Villa, Everton, Fulham, West Brom, Swansea, QPR I don't think your stats tell a full picture. Gazza's games have been arguably easier, Boruc has only played 2 games so one blow out and his stats are scewed and Davis has had the hardest games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Hmmmm. I reckon Gazza is 3 years away from being a top keeper. Positioning today was absolutely shocking. For me: 1) Davies - OK, no superstar, but would be pretty farken solid. Proven in the prem, or are we not allowed to say that? 2) Gazza - jeez: he could shed 3 goals a game. Lots of potential but realisitcally he is NOT up to the job 2) Boruc - at the moment totally random, but will in 6 months be the number 1, IMHO, or else not at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 gazza has made more geniune mistakes against lower quality opposition than davis if davis or boruc had kept in the same manner that gazza has in all his games boruc/davis would be being treated like guly on here yet gazza is given hero status. why? Spot on, Gazzanigga ( I refuse to shorten to Gazza as he doesn't deserve that name ), looks awkward, not commanding, not agile. He has already made more errors than he has decent saves. I watched the game yesterday and he had no goo things bar one save from Tarabt. Apart from that very very shaky and if KD or AB had performed like him, I agree with you there would be uproar. It seems like some are saying he has potential but what is that based on, Someone at the club saying so when we signed him ?????? Davis and Boruc handling is far far better, their positionin and angles are far better. Boruc has been in the top keepers in the world Lists. He may not have been at the very top of his game since joining BUT what major error has he done. Some say West Ham's first goal when he didn't save the dangerous ball in. Lets face it QPR keeper today nearly had one exactly the same from Punch, the same keeper who was one of the best in the world two to three years ago, pepe reina has done it before. Those balls in are a nightmare for keepers and defenders. What else has he done that has been so wrong and cost us points ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 (edited) Gazza only made one decent save yesterday when Taarabt hit it straight at him. Other than that the ball appeared to be like a wet bar of soap to him. Gazza has made the full range of goalkeeping errors since coming into the side. He got his angles all wrong at Everton, poor kicking choices against Swansea and dodgy handling and command of his area yesterday. I've been a huge backer of Kelvin and people forget some of the outstanding performances he has out in over the last 5 years, not to mention the amazing number of penalty saves, but he just seemed didn't seem to have a world class save left in him. Boruc just looked very unfit to me and was sluggish off his line against Spurs. Get him fit and he's the obvious choice. Edited 18 November, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Such a genuinely difficult question, I can see a case for each of our 3 keepers frankly. Gazzaniga shows promise, but it's clear for all to see that he's facing a horrifically steep 'learning curve'. Artur Boruc comes with a decent reputation but has shown little of it here so far. Therefore based on little more than good old gut instinct, I think I might opt to recall Kelvin if it were my call. I say this not because I really think he's a top class PL goalkeeper, but rather because years of hard earned experience suggests to me that he is less likely to have made the positional error that cost us a goal yesterday, or the error of judgement that was (partially) responsible for Swansea's equalizer last week. A good win against a poor QPR team doesn't mean we're out of trouble - far from it - so unfortunately we're not even close to being in a position to allow a young keeper to learn his trade 'on the job'. Fortunately those who really have to make this choice have the inestimable advantage of working with all of them on a daily basis, so they are obviously much better placed to make the call than we are. We can only hope and trust they get it right, because our survival prospects depend upon that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It is screaming out for Davies to be recalled. Premier league experience. The defence is gaining a little confidence, but some of the looks the back 4 were giving Gazza some looks today. They do not have confidence in their keeper, and they really need to have this at the moment, so they can focus on their own game. It is time for a Davies recall, before we lose more points from goalkeeping errors. We should have had a clean sheet last week, and another this week. 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Gazza looked a little lost yesterday! Think boruc might have to work on his fitness soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it. Well on current evidence none of our keepers look very PL. They've all let in a load of goals and made horrible mistakes. On this basis I'd still go with Kelvin who is club captain, a long term servant of the club and someone who Nigel has said is a great professional and good influence on the team. In our current situation we need leaders on the pitch Kelvin is one of those even if he is not a PL keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it. Exactly, Gazza is the best option at the moment until Boruc is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 All 3 of them are crap, gazzaniga is bearable. Get a new keeper in january. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Was annoyed the highlights seemed to cut out his good saves, good stops and generally good moments. Seemed to want to paint him as "the weakest link" in a cruel premier league takes no prisoners sort of thing.[/QUOTE] on yesterday's performance......that sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it.[/QUOTE] I think we are in agreement on that point Duncam, my only worry is ....how long will it take before he sees that Gazza isn't either ...(not yet at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it.[/QUOTE] I think we are in agreement on that point Duncam, my only worry is ....how long will it take before he sees that Gazza isn't either ...(not yet at least) Were you there yesterday? The defence looks better with Gazza in goal,he was OK yesterday,the other 2 are not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 'You could at least get the bloke's name right - he's been at SMS long enough. Davis unfortunately is not Premiership class and Adkins knows it.[/QUOTE] I think we are in agreement on that point Duncam, my only worry is ....how long will it take before he sees that Gazza isn't either ...(not yet at least) Agreed, see post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Not sure why we went for Boruc in the first place. Should have made a loan move for Cudicini or Given or someone. Was going to say Lloris, but he didn't have a good day yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Were you there yesterday? The defence looks better with Gazza in goal,he was OK yesterday,the other 2 are not the answer. Does the defence look better because Gazza was in goal, or because he happened to be in goal for the 2 games that Cork has been back playing in front of the back 4? I've not been to the games and you have, so you will have a better idea of the answer than me, but I suspect the latter to be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Were you there yesterday? The defence looks better with Gazza in goal,he was OK yesterday,the other 2 are not the answer. He was not 'ok' yesterday, he was poor, very sloppy and we're lucky QPR weren't good enough to take advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 oh Adkins! He should have gotten to it, but so should have a CB who was watching the run... Thankfully its not the end of the world and Gazza got more than enough on everything else. Lallana was tracking Hoilett, but let him go. Gazza's handling on routine saves was very suspect. I would worry with him or Kelvin in goal, but you can't put Boruc in unless he's fit. Hopefully he's been doing extra training to lose a few pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Our best defensive performances pre-Cork were Fulham (where Hooiveld went bonkers otherwise the other 3 were at a good level, especially Fonte) and Aston Villa-both with Gazza in goal. The defense feel less pressure with him there and I honestly feel he's a good influence on the team that is out on the pitch. Also would Gary the commentator (who yesterday sounded like his wife had cheated on him by his angry comments at virtually everyone on the pitch) have had such sour words for Hart's poor display in Sweden/Poland? The way Gazza is being pounded by some pundits suggests there is a bit of a hidden agenda around, just like there was with De Gea initially. I'm sure they would have been all supportive if Butland had been out doing those mistakes. I think most and probably the coaching staff thought Gazza would be more involved with the reserves at the beginning of the season. The fact that he's stayed as our starting keeper must mean something other than lack of options. I have not seen however one mistake from him that indicates he's not good enough. Just inexperienced mistakes, probably from the anxiety and pressure of at 20 years of age being in goal for the worst ever initial defensive record in the PL, which is big when you come from the Priestfield Stadium. Hopefully he'll have picked up some confidence from the win and the overall optimism of the squad. I would keep him in goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Our best defensive performances pre-Cork were Fulham (where Hooiveld went bonkers otherwise the other 3 were at a good level, especially Fonte) and Aston Villa-both with Gazza in goal. The defense feel less pressure with him there and I honestly feel he's a good influence on the team that is out on the pitch. Also would Gary the commentator (who yesterday sounded like his wife had cheated on him by his angry comments at virtually everyone on the pitch) have had such sour words for Hart's poor display in Sweden/Poland? The way Gazza is being pounded by some pundits suggests there is a bit of a hidden agenda around, just like there was with De Gea initially. I'm sure they would have been all supportive if Butland had been out doing those mistakes. I think most and probably the coaching staff thought Gazza would be more involved with the reserves at the beginning of the season. The fact that he's stayed as our starting keeper must mean something other than lack of options. I have not seen however one mistake from him that indicates he's not good enough. Just inexperienced mistakes, probably from the anxiety and pressure of at 20 years of age being in goal for the worst ever initial defensive record in the PL, which is big when you come from the Priestfield Stadium. Hopefully he'll have picked up some confidence from the win and the overall optimism of the squad. I would keep him in goal. gazza is being pounded as he is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 gazza is being pounded as he is terrible I dont get it. He is clearly a weak link, his handling was suspect a couple of times yesterday, he was at fault along with lallana for the goal and yet people still think he's the best thing since sliced bread. We had the same thing with Bart, and look how that turned out. He needs shipping out on loan to a Championship or league one side. He needs to learn from his mistakes, but I dont want him learning from them in our relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I dont get it. He is clearly a weak link, his handling was suspect a couple of times yesterday, he was at fault along with lallana for the goal and yet people still think he's the best thing since sliced bread. We had the same thing with Bart, and look how that turned out. He needs shipping out on loan to a Championship or league one side. He needs to learn from his mistakes, but I dont want him learning from them in our relegation battle. Funny watching the MOTD repeat with my son this morning and we both said Gazza reminded us of Bart with his handling of the ball..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That was the worst I've seen Gazza play, maybe as a result of the mistake against Swansea. Davis deserved his chance but didn't take it. Boruc's fitness and head didn't seem right. On that basis I would stick with Gazza for now on the basis you don't change a winning team and we've chopped and changed too much already. Lets hope Gazza gets his confidence back - otherwise it's whoever looks best in training as I'm sure both are capable of better than they have shown so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That was the worst I've seen Gazza play, maybe as a result of the mistake against Swansea. Davis deserved his chance but didn't take it. Boruc's fitness and head didn't seem right. On that basis I would stick with Gazza for now on the basis you don't change a winning team and we've chopped and changed too much already. Lets hope Gazza gets his confidence back - otherwise it's whoever looks best in training as I'm sure both are capable of better than they have shown so far. why is boruc head not right..? he has always been like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 All 3 of our keepers have cost us goals, I would stick with Gazza because he has more potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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