Window Cleaner Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 (edited) Gazza made one mistake against Swansea, interesting that Joe Hart also made one mistake (against Liverpool) this weekend ! Both caused lost points for their respective teams and both are young keepers but Gazza will get much more flak, perhaps because he plays for a less fashionable club struggling at the bottom of the league ! The main point is that goalkeeping errors are inevitable, it's how you deal with them that matters and Gazza now needs to put it aside and show his mettle, to drop him now could could do much more harm than good IMO ! Joe Hart's mistake was against Spurs. There again the header was crashed into the ground hard enough to make the rebound awkward enough. Gazza f*cked up all by himself. City still won though because no matter what they do their strikers can score goals. Ours score 1 a game at best(and of late none at all..thanks midfield) so the error margin is reduced. Edited 12 November, 2012 by Window Cleaner
aintforever Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazza for me, looks class. He will make mistakes because he is young and inexperienced, but I think it will be worth our while sticking with him.
norwaysaint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 I thought our defence was at its worst with Boruc in goal. As far as I've seen, with Davis in goal we were playing ok, but he wasn't up to it, with Boruc we were hopeless, with Gazza, we've come closest to winning (and have). We don't have the time to settle in a keeper so out of form. Gazza my not have the same potential but is closer to the top of his game and playing better now.
eurosaint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Joe Hart's mistake was against Spurs. There again the header was crashed into the ground hard enough to make the rebound awkward enough. Gazza f*cked up all by himself. City still won though because no matter what they do their strikers can score goals. Ours score 1 a game at best(and of late none at all..thanks midfield) so the error margin is reduced. Ooh 'eck, I fecked that one up big time ! I mixed the 2 super Sunday matches up completely, will have to stay off the jungle juice in future at the weekend
Plumstead_Saint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Davis. Gazzaniga is still learning, and doesn't command his defence. Boruc is poor. Which league do you equate SPL with? I would say championship at best.
Rasiak-9- Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazza made an error of judgement but his natural goalkeeping ability is obviously there for all to see, with his saves against Villa and Fulham proving crucial. His confidence with his feet also means that our centre-backs are happy to backpass it to him, which is vital when we come under pressure. Stick with him.
melmacian_saint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazza made an error of judgement but his natural goalkeeping ability is obviously there for all to see, with his saves against Villa and Fulham proving crucial. His confidence with his feet also means that our centre-backs are happy to backpass it to him, which is vital when we come under pressure. Stick with him. This. He deserves some confidence. Having said this, he will make at least another mistake or 2. Learning curves for keepers are longer than for other field players. I don't expect him to be an established starter at any club until at least 23-24.
Thedelldays Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 what about experience.....? that is our downfall, isnt it..? now we are going to stick with a rookie hoping he gains some....goes against all our failings this season..
Saint Charlie Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Davis. Gazzaniga is still learning, and doesn't command his defence. Boruc is poor. Which league do you equate SPL with? I would say championship at best. SPL is poor but the last two seasons he played as no 1 for Fiorentina which is better than KD ever has. Also has 40 caps for Poland.
Thedelldays Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Davis. Gazzaniga is still learning, and doesn't command his defence. Boruc is poor. Which league do you equate SPL with? I would say championship at best. would an NPC every beat barcelona..? no...not a chance.. you do celtic a disservice
Itchen_block4 Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Got to stick with Gazzaniga. Neither Davis or Boruc have shown they deserve it right now and the defence finally looks like getting used to Gazzaniga. Even the best keepers make mistakes and especially at his age, he needs the opportunity to redeem himself. Boruc can't trade on past glories. He needs to show us what he can do in the here and now.
Thedelldays Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Got to stick with Gazzaniga. Neither Davis or Boruc have shown they deserve it right now and the defence finally looks like getting used to Gazzaniga. Even the best keepers make mistakes and especially at his age, he needs the opportunity to redeem himself. Boruc can't trade on past glories. He needs to show us what he can do in the here and now. so, when boruc makes a mistake...its NOT alright..?
Tom & Gerry Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Goalkeeper is the one position that you have to pick on form. Past reputation counts for nothing, some keepers lose form and never get it back. Boruc and Davis have both looked fallible and Boruc has demonstrated a very poor temperament. Gazza has looked by far the most assured and despite being slaughtered for his 1 error on Saturday (which admitedly did cost us 2 points) his distribution is about 50% better than Davis. I vote to save Gazza.
Itchen_block4 Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 would an NPC every beat barcelona..? no...not a chance.. you do celtic a disservice 99 times out of 100, Celtic wouldn't beat them either. Upsets happen in cups.
Dr Who? Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Davis, we have had a few games in the premier league, but we re screaming out for more premier league experience. I believe that Davis can offer this. Lets face it, we were blaming Davis at the start of the season, but we have tried 2 other keepers, and we are still shipping goal, with a huge blunder by Gaz. If you had the defence that any of our keepers are getting you will struggle. I think Davis should be recalled for the big game on Saturday, but Adkins will probably stick by HIS signing!
Thedelldays Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 99 times out of 100, Celtic wouldn't beat them either. Upsets happen in cups. they were 1 second away from drawing at the nou camp....we would be out of the game within 15 mins of playing barcelona...
Dr Who? Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 they were 1 second away from drawing at the nou camp....we would be out of the game within 15 mins of playing barcelona... Barca would batter us home and away.
doddisalegend Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Got to stick with Gazzaniga. Neither Davis or Boruc have shown they deserve it right now and the defence finally looks like getting used to Gazzaniga. Even the best keepers make mistakes and especially at his age, he needs the opportunity to redeem himself. Boruc can't trade on past glories. He needs to show us what he can do in the here and now. So how come Kelvin doesn't get this entitlement? Also how is Kelvin suppossed to show he deserves it? Are back to back promotions as club captain not enough to deserve a chance?
doddisalegend Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Goalkeeper is the one position that you have to pick on form. Past reputation counts for nothing, some keepers lose form and never get it back. Boruc and Davis have both looked fallible and Boruc has demonstrated a very poor temperament. Gazza has looked by far the most assured and despite being slaughtered for his 1 error on Saturday (which admitedly did cost us 2 points) his distribution is about 50% better than Davis. I vote to save Gazza. If we're are picking our keepers on form we might as well leave all of them out of the team. All of them have shipped goals but it seems only Kelvin is to blame for his while the other two were just let down by their defence. Maybe Nigel should just stick himself in goal.
Dellman Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Boruc is overweight, he couldn't get off the ground at corners and crosses, needs a good diet before we see him again
sydenhamssocks Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 A match fit Boruc given a proper run will ease our pain... just like Niemi used to !
Olallana Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 easy choice. Boruc. We need quality and though he might not be in the best shape right now he´s by far the best out of those three.
Norm Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 That's like asking which you'd prefer, gonhorrea, the clap or AIDS I really shouldn't laugh but this did make me chuckle. Back to the ?, Gazza as AB is in need of getting a lot fitter. Reminds me of a slim Billy Bunter.
Saint_Mabes Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazza for me. Did no one notice that Boruc can barely kick the ball past the half way line? Hilarious!
L1Minus10 Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Davis has never and will never be good enough for this level and he should never have started the season. Gazza is better than Davis now and will be our No1 within 2 years and it was a brilliant spot from whoever scouted him. However, the experience and pedigree is with Boruc and he should be in goal from here on in.
Badger Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazzaniga, no question. KD is not a premiership goalkeeper, and the porker Boruc has shown nothing to indicate he should be playing for anything other than a pub team during his time with us.
John Boy Saint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Gazza for me. Some folks on here are on weird narcotics..... Boruc = Gold plated experience. "he was great with Fiorentina last 2 seasons" so how come he is not still there, how come he was a free agent, how come he was kicking his heels training with Everton, how come we were in a one man bidding race for him?
Bourne Valley Saint Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Billy ****e - that above comment is a tad unfair. How can you think that about Kelvin - he was one of the main reasons why we got promoted. He saved us numerous points and we would have probably had to qualify through the play-offs if it wasn't for him. I'm not saying he's perfect but with the way the defence have played in his absence, I'd rather the likes of Fonte, Fox, Cork, Lallana, Schniederlin, etc. (maybe not Hooiveld because that would shoot my argument in the foot!), know the strengths and weaknesses of the man behind them rather than having to learn the ways of a new keeper. Kelvin deserves another crack in the premiership and I hope that he plays on Saturday. Gazza will be fine but at the moment he can keep the bench warm for now. Borat was in my opinion an unecessary acquisition.
SuperMikey Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Boruc is an experienced keeper at the top level, with dozens of caps for his country and a clean sheet record for Fiorentina last season. Gazzaniga is a 20 year old who was playing for Gillingham a few months ago. Don't get me wrong, Gazza has shown his usefulness, and i'm sure he'll be a good keeper in the future, but we need the experience that Boruc brings right now. He'll improve with games, don't forget his 2 appearances for us have been his only ones since June.
SuperMikey Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Oh and I love Kelvin for what he's helped us achieve over the last few years, but he's not the answer. He's a consumate professional and i'm sure he knows that he's not #1 any more. The same people clamouring for his return are the ones thinking that getting Sharp and Hammond back will save us. Not the answer.
saintstr1 Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Has to be Boruc for me , He must be getting fitter now and has the experience.
Wade Garrett Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 If Boruc is match-fit and training well, Adkins has a difficult choice to make. If he's not, then stick with Gazza.
the saint in winchester Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Pepe Reina for me. Yes, I have inside information. Or, do I ? Seriously, can't believe this gets asked each month now. My answer won't change. My answer was is and will be GAZZANIGA. The *uck-up on Sunday wasn't all Gazza's fault. I would say Cork, Yoshida and Gazza take a third each. But as I rate Cork and Gazza, I'm going to give all the blame to Yoshida. Come back, Jos - your club needs you.
L1Minus10 Posted 12 November, 2012 Posted 12 November, 2012 Billy ****e - that above comment is a tad unfair. How can you think that about Kelvin - he was one of the main reasons why we got promoted. He saved us numerous points and we would have probably had to qualify through the play-offs if it wasn't for him. I'm not saying he's perfect but with the way the defence have played in his absence, I'd rather the likes of Fonte, Fox, Cork, Lallana, Schniederlin, etc. (maybe not Hooiveld because that would shoot my argument in the foot!), know the strengths and weaknesses of the man behind them rather than having to learn the ways of a new keeper. Kelvin deserves another crack in the premiership and I hope that he plays on Saturday. Gazza will be fine but at the moment he can keep the bench warm for now. Borat was in my opinion an unecessary acquisition. Yep, Davis did well in league 1 and well in the Championship but this is different. He's 36 and isn't going to get any better. Loyalty only goes so far in this game especially when you get to the Prem. Adkins decided that Hammond and Sharp (and Fox with the attempted signing of Buttner) weren't good enough for this level without giving them a chance and he should have done the same with Davis. All 4 of these players were massively instrumental in us getting to the Prem. I know it's not "nice" and I don't necessarily agree with it but that's how it is. IMO, Boruc or another 'first choice' keeper should have been signed before the season started... likewise one 'Michael Dawson' type first choice centre half and it given time to bed in, in pre-season.
St Jim Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 Boruc for me. He's good all round and his experience playing at the top level (International, SPL & most recently Serie A) is a much needed requirement for our team. He is also very vocal and tries to organise the defence which again is very much needed.
Aura Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 really? some of you people need to let the past be the past Davis is nowhere NEAR good enough for prem we can tell from the first few games he is cooked as a starting keeper and he knows it.
Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 Gazza for me. Some folks on here are on weird narcotics..... Boruc = Gold plated experience. "he was great with Fiorentina last 2 seasons" so how come he is not still there, how come he was a free agent, how come he was kicking his heels training with Everton, how come we were in a one man bidding race for him? He is not there now due to financial reasons... He tried to stay but they had to let him go Something hitting many Italian clubs Do laugh, people mention one of the biggest reason as to why we are not doing well is lack of experience... The one thing west ham have for example Next breath, People will opt for a rookie keeper over one with loads of experience Gazza really is flavour of the month.
doddisalegend Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 really? some of you people need to let the past be the past Davis is nowhere NEAR good enough for prem we can tell from the first few games he is cooked as a starting keeper and he knows it. Can we say the same about Nigel? Also why were all the goals kelvin let in his fault while all the goals Gazza and Boruc let are apparently down to our dodgy defence?
Dig Dig Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 Can we say the same about Nigel? Also why were all the goals kelvin let in his fault while all the goals Gazza and Boruc let are apparently down to our dodgy defence? Not all the goals Kelvin let in were his fault but some were. Kelvin didn't look agile enough for this level in the opening games of the season and his kicking was consistantly woeful. Neither will improve now.
derry Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 What makes me go for Gazzaniga is that Fonte seems much more comfortable with him as goalkeeper. It's not all about the keepers themselves it's also about how the defenders respond. I don't think Fonte trusts Davis and to a lesser extent Boruc but does like playing in front of Gazzaniga.
Bucks Saint Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 What makes me go for Gazzaniga is that Fonte seems much more comfortable with him as goalkeeper. It's not all about the keepers themselves it's also about how the defenders respond. I don't think Fonte trusts Davis and to a lesser extent Boruc but does like playing in front of Gazzaniga. Thats a fair point but in mitigation I think its only because Boruc has hardly played. If we are going to stick with one keeper for a whole series of games (which has to be right) then I would always go for the experienced man and the defence will get used to him
CylonKing Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 What is Niemi doing these days? Surely he's got another season left in him. He must only be around 55 now, bring him back in, I'm sure HCDAJFU! I would go for Gazza. No real reason, just think he has far more to offer us than the other 2. At least with Kelvin, you know he will do everything in his power to get the win for the club he loves.
gordonToo Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 1. Boruc 2. Gazza 3. Davis No point in signing Boruc unless he's given a decent run.
sandwichsaint Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 I'd say Gazza all day but more interestingly who is the number 2? By common consent it would appear to be Borruc, (or Gazza if you start those two the other way roun)d. What's with KD regularly getting the number 2 gig? I can well understand that he is the club captain, he is important in the dressing room etc but we are only one warm-up injury or a red-card-in-the-first-ten-minutes away from having to play him for a full game, and again by common consent 'most' people would consider we have two better alternatives. Wouldn't we be better maintaining KD's registration, moving him into a quasi coaching/warm-up type role and maintaining him on the bench and in the dressing room and also naming our two best available keepers on the team sheet for every game?
wireframebox Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 Gazza has been in goal for all of our points this season so why change it. this ^
Tom & Gerry Posted 13 November, 2012 Posted 13 November, 2012 If we're are picking our keepers on form we might as well leave all of them out of the team. All of them have shipped goals but it seems only Kelvin is to blame for his while the other two were just let down by their defence. Maybe Nigel should just stick himself in goal. I don't think we will ever find a keeper that doesn't let in goals.
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