Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Much better than the Southampton way it seem. We defend well, looked good as a unit and no Guly on the bench or Lambert substitution. Baring one defensive howler I was chuffed for Nige today. A good solid display, Swansea never looked like scoring and if he's been given the centre half he wanted they never would. Immediate improvement for all to see by letting the manager mange. Well done Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 This . We stand together ... as one. Or as we used to say... COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Sorry but I don't understand what your trying to imply? It has always been the Adkins way, we have played this way at least 3 games already this season. It only changed when Gaston got injured. Give it a rest mate your ruining this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Much better than the Southampton way it seem. We defend well, looked good as a unit and no Guly on the bench or Lambert substitution. Baring one defensive howler I was chuffed for Nige today. A good solid display, Swansea never looked like scoring and if he's been given the centre half he wanted they never would. Immediate improvement for all to see by letting the manager mange. Well done Nige. So you won't be marching on Town Hall or writing to your MEP this week then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Call me picky but I still preferred the 'pre-Adkins Way' 4-1 against Villa. Edited 10 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Their equaliser had Adkins way written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Their equaliser had Adkins way written all over it. Did they ever look like scoring until that utter balls up? Marked change in approach since 'the chat' on Tuesday. Quite clearly Nige is dojng things his way. First impressions are it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Much better than the Southampton way it seem. We defend well, looked good as a unit and no Guly on the bench or Lambert substitution. Baring one defensive howler I was chuffed for Nige today. A good solid display, Swansea never looked like scoring and if he's been given the centre half he wanted they never would. Immediate improvement for all to see by letting the manager mange. Well done Nige. At the final whistle I thought it was an improvement, but having thought about it some more... Our defence looked better because they were playing a team that hadn't scored an away league goal since the first game of the season. For all our attacking possession did we really create many chances or look like scoring a second? More home points dropped - this was a game we had to win IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Did they ever look like scoring until that utter balls up? Marked change in approach since 'the chat' on Tuesday. Quite clearly Nige is dojng things his way. First impressions are it works. Though one rumour doing the rounds is that there was no chat on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Did they ever look like scoring until that utter balls up? Marked change in approach since 'the chat' on Tuesday. Quite clearly Nige is dojng things his way. First impressions are it works. Twice we could have cleared it but Adkins way is to p!ss about with it at the back when there is no need to. Our style of play invites mistakes like we saw today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Sorry, when wasn't it Adkins way? You bored looking for bites again? Zzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Did they ever look like scoring until that utter balls up? Marked change in approach since 'the chat' on Tuesday. Quite clearly Nige is dojng things his way. First impressions are it works. They hadn't looked like scoring an away league goal since they played QPR first game of the season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 according to my information today at the game cortese did not have a crisis meeting with adkins last tuesday. Adkins took a training session and he and cortese exchanged a few words. I am told the meeting has been set for the end of the month with some of the board members to review our position. This has come indirectly to me from les reed. I have no reason to doubt it but like all second hand info it should be treated with the usual caution. Reed also confirmed he has no input with regard to the first team. hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 At the final whistle I thought it was an improvement, but having thought about it some more... Our defence looked better because they were playing a team that hadn't scored an away league goal since the first game of the season. For all our attacking possession did we really create many chances or look like scoring a second? More home points dropped - this was a game we had to win IMO. And they still wouldn't. It for a horrendous defensive error, who made the signings that led to tht balls up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 hth Unless you can provide proof this is true this can be filed under bullsh*t as well, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Unless you can provide proof this is true this can be filed under bullsh*t as well, no? Just providing an alternative scenario which you may or may not wish to consider objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Cork back and Ramirez too made a big difference. Is it Cortese's fault they've been out for so many games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 And they still wouldn't. It for a horrendous defensive error, who made the signings that led to tht balls up? The transfer committee of which Adkins is a member. Who coaches the keeper and defence to play the ball out from the back rather than just getting rid of it? (Hint: it isn't Cortese or Les Reed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Right. We played really well, better than most games recently, there's hope on the horizon with lots of games left, ffs let's get behind OUR team we can do this, uts.come on show some positivity . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Sorry but I don't understand what your trying to imply? It has always been the Adkins way, we have played this way at least 3 games already this season. It only changed when Gaston got injured. Give it a rest mate your ruining this forum. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 At the final whistle I thought it was an improvement, but having thought about it some more... Our defence looked better because they were playing a team that hadn't scored an away league goal since the first game of the season. For all our attacking possession did we really create many chances or look like scoring a second? More home points dropped - this was a game we had to win IMO. Agree - Swansea were very conservative and appeared happy to settle for a point. That said, they still passed the ball around better than we did with greater zip and purpose. Just like Gazza, their keeper did not have a save to make and we struggled for ideas. Thankfully, the long, diagonal ball to Lambert began to work in the second half and we got a slither more joy - but I would be concerned if that was our main and increasingly only creative outlet (many of our outfield goals this season can be attributed to a similar ploy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Agree - Swansea were very conservative and appeared happy to settle for a point. That said, they still passed the ball around better than we did with greater zip and purpose. Just like Gazza, their keeper did not have a save to make and we struggled for ideas. Thankfully, the long, diagonal ball to Lambert began to work in the second half and we got a slither more joy - but I would be concerned if that was our main and increasingly only creative outlet (many of our outfield goals this season can be attributed to a similar ploy). Don't get me wrong, there were definite improvements in our play but sometimes we need to be quicker and more direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So do we agree there was a marked difference today or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So do we agree there was a marked difference today or not? Yep, Cortese got his selection better today. T u r d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Yep, Cortese got his selection better today. T u r d. Nothing to do with Adkins then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Don't get me wrong, there were definite improvements in our play but sometimes we need to be quicker and more direct. So are yoy saying that some the 'meeting" we've improved, just by coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So do we agree there was a marked difference today or not? It was an improvement to the WBA match, but it was far from our best performance this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So are yoy saying that some the 'meeting" we've improved, just by coincidence. I have no idea what this means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I have no idea what this means I tried running it through babblefish but that was of no help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I have no idea what this means Predictive text FFS. So since Tuesdays meeting we look much better defensively, just by coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones91 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 people are making comments about being disappointed because the other team looked more composed on the ball or passed it around better..thats going to happen because we simply dont have the same standard of players as the likes of Swansea and Fulham. If its put down to individual performances we are going to get beat, but we need to find a way to work around our players who arent the same standard as the ones we are playing against, which today, we did perfectly until Gazzaniga decided to, from what ive heard, act like a complete toss*r and f*ck around with the ball at the back instead of just tw*tting it up the f*cking field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 The Adkins way 1 1 then change the left back not aforward to win the game .i wish cortese would grow some balls and sack him .1win in11games lost8 of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Sorry but I don't understand what your trying to imply? It has always been the Adkins way, we have played this way at least 3 games already this season. It only changed when Gaston got injured. Give it a rest mate your ruining this forum. Careful, you cannot spout logic on here and get away with debunking Mr T's conspiracy theories that he likes to make up in between his telesalesist life. Mr T has told us that Don Cortese picks the team, chooses the players, inserts clauses into contracts, decides on the formation to be used, and the times of the substitutions. There is no doubt about the factual content of Mr T's posts, so you of course must be imagining things, like the rest of us. Looked very much like the same way we have played more often that not this season, albeit with Jack Cork making a noticeable difference, and Luke Ward knowing how to play at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Careful, you cannot spout logic on here and get away with debunking Mr T's conspiracy theories that he likes to make up in between his telesalesist life. Mr T has told us that Don Cortese picks the team, chooses the players, inserts clauses into contracts, decides on the formation to be used, and the times of the substitutions. There is no doubt about the factual content of Mr T's posts, so you of course must be imagining things, like the rest of us. Looked very much like the same way we have played more often that not this season, albeit with Jack Cork making a noticeable difference, and Luke Ward knowing how to play at left back. So if you agree with Adkins comments and back what he says, then he is incompetent, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 to be fair, I think gazza was only following orders. one thing I've noticed from our keepers this season is that they rarely boot the ball up the field but instead build play from the back by passing to the defenders. it's not only gazza but the other two were doing this as well and I always felt it was a calamity waiting to happen and gazza was just unfortunate it fell on him. if anything, whoever is instructing them to do this should be blamed. on the issue of NA, I felt the team he put out today was solid and probably the best we can offer. however I feel NA is lacking in his ability to affect the course of the game in terms of substitutions. he just does not have the Midas touch that top managers have where inspired subs can totally change the course of the game from a losing position to a winning one. often his subs are simply like for like especially in the left back position and I just find this uninspiring. the only minor exception that could be made is probably the spurs game when he brought on mayuka and went from 442 to 433/4231. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 to be fair, I think gazza was only following orders. one thing I've noticed from our keepers this season is that they rarely boot the ball up the field but instead build play from the back by passing to the defenders. it's not only gazza but the other two were doing this as well and I always felt it was a calamity waiting to happen and gazza was just unfortunate it fell on him. if anything, whoever is instructing them to do this should be blamed. on the issue of NA, I felt the team he put out today was solid and probably the best we can offer. however I feel NA is lacking in his ability to affect the course of the game in terms of substitutions. he just does not have the Midas touch that top managers have where inspired subs can totally change the course of the game from a losing position to a winning one. often his subs are simply like for like especially in the left back position and I just find this uninspiring. the only minor exception that could be made is probably the spurs game when he brought on mayuka and went from 442 to 433/4231. Very easy to make inspired substitutions when you've got world class players on the bench, as quite a few managers do. NA looks to the bench and has very little that can change a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Predictive text FFS. So since Tuesdays meeting we look much better defensively, just by coincidence. What meeting? Did we look better defensively? I'm not sure, we were playing one of the least potent away strikeforces and we still made a balls-up which cost us the three points. What do you think? Edited 10 November, 2012 by shirleysfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So if you agree with Adkins comments and back what he says, then he is incompetent, yes? No, still finding his feet in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Much better than the Southampton way it seem. We defend well, looked good as a unit and no Guly on the bench or Lambert substitution. Baring one defensive howler I was chuffed for Nige today. A good solid display, Swansea never looked like scoring and if he's been given the centre half he wanted they never would. Immediate improvement for all to see by letting the manager mange. Well done Nige. No Guly and no 4-3-3 means your interference theories have been blown apart. Stop digging. Edited 10 November, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2012 No Guly and no 4-3-3 means your interference theories have been blown apart. Stop digging. Not really. Hes now doing it his way, as was said he would following the meeting. He's told Cortese to back off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Not really. Hes now doing it his way, as was said he would following the meeting. He's told Cortese to back off.. Are you sure there was a meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Not really. Hes now doing it his way, as was said he would following the meeting. He's told Cortese to back off.. yeah cos naturally he thought he'd wait for 11 games before doing that. You're struggling to convince yourself never mind anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 to be fair, I think gazza was only following orders. one thing I've noticed from our keepers this season is that they rarely boot the ball up the field but instead build play from the back by passing to the defenders. it's not only gazza but the other two were doing this as well and I always felt it was a calamity waiting to happen and gazza was just unfortunate it fell on him. if anything, whoever is instructing them to do this should be blamed. I agree. This seems to be part of the tactical setup and it is key to us retaining possession. I'm convinced that Gazza's "fault" was to not deviate from the instructions given - a more experienced keeper might have realised that this specific situation called for a punt. While we have no baseline to compare against, you could consider how many of the short passes lead to a goal being conceded vs. how many long punts would have fallen to the opposition for them to score. Sure, it looks and feels bad to concede that way, but during the last three seasons we've seen the fruit of being in possession and that sometimes starts with the keeper systematically playing it short instead of punting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I agree. This seems to be part of the tactical setup and it is key to us retaining possession. I'm convinced that Gazza's "fault" was to not deviate from the instructions given - a more experienced keeper might have realised that this specific situation called for a punt. While we have no baseline to compare against, you could consider how many of the short passes lead to a goal being conceded vs. how many long punts would have fallen to the opposition for them to score. Sure, it looks and feels bad to concede that way, but during the last three seasons we've seen the fruit of being in possession and that sometimes starts with the keeper systematically playing it short instead of punting it. Yep, we've been doing it for two years. The main difference is when we screwed it up in Lge 1 or the Championship the opposition weren't good enough to capitalise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Yep, we've been doing it for two years. The main difference is when we screwed it up in Lge 1 or the Championship the opposition weren't good enough to capitalise. Swansea did it themselves today, we caught them overplaying but didn't capitalise ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Just another thread of Turkish posting his dross on this forum. You're a total tool if you think Adkins would have put up being told his selection before the game. We've mixed up formations all season and Guly hasn't now been involved in 3 of our games now. Don't let this stand in your way though Turkish. Like another said, you're contributing to the level of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 11 November, 2012 Share Posted 11 November, 2012 Well for me if Weston Saints says there was no meeting then I for one believe him. Weston never posts unless he is really sure that what he says is correct - unlike some others on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 11 November, 2012 Share Posted 11 November, 2012 Well for me if Weston Saints says there was no meeting then I for one believe him. Weston never posts unless he is really sure that what he says is correct - unlike some others on here. He also posted something interesting about people meddling with the team. Something along the lines of they heard a rumour, investigated it and found it out to be a load of balls!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 November, 2012 Share Posted 11 November, 2012 The keepers clearly are not under orders to not boot it under any circumstances. I watched the extended match choice on sky last night and gazza cleared it long on quite a few occasions. Then the one time he didnt, we mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 11 November, 2012 Share Posted 11 November, 2012 (edited) So are yoy saying that some the 'meeting" we've improved, just by coincidence. What you seem to fail to understand is that you could just as easily suggest that we were a bit better today BECAUSE NC has STARTED interfering - this rumour has the same basis and level of factual input as the constant shiedt you pedel.... Edited 11 November, 2012 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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