No Guly

[Kingsland Red]

We heard midweek that the team today would reflect NAs endeavour (and they certainly did well apart from the Gazzinga / Yoshida error).

No Guly today, even on the bench, is he injured or has NA cast aside the rumoured Les Reed / NC "influence"?

[Chez]

there is no influence.

[mcjwills]

But it was claimed on here that its in his contract to play 15 mins if fit.

[John B]

there is no influence.

 

Oh yes there was

[slickmick]

Good point op.

[Greenridge]

But it was claimed on here that its in his contract to play 15 mins if fit.

 

That's absolutely true. Some folks have seen that contract.

[Rebel]

Who agrees contracts with clauses like that - that's unbelievable

[Smirking_Saint]

Oh yes there was

 

Oh no there wasnt

 

 

There really wasnt btw

[Chez]

Oh yes there was

panto is full of jokers.

[Eaststander]

What a load of codswallop. Who has a 15 minute clause in a contract. Utter tosh. No one can prove that they have seen it. I know let's get Newsnight to investigate. Funny how The so calledLes Reed influence wasn't mentioned when we were on a winnig roll.

[Saint Garrett]

It's more crap which Turkish has made up and repeated on here, glad that's cleared up.

[Turkish]

But it was claimed on here that its in his contract to play 15 mins if fit.

 

Obviously injured or Adkins doing things his wayz

[John B]

panto is full of jokers.

 

Well I find it hard to believe my self but it is true according to someone I know at St Mary's but of course they maybe wrong as I can see any real evidence

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Obviously injured or Adkins doing things his wayz

 

Or you just talking total horse sh1te again more like.

[sammysaint]

I always thought it was for work permit reasons he played most games, to be fair he has been poor all season bar last 2 games where hes done ok when came on.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I wonder if this weeks "showdown" talks influenced NAs decision on Guly? Perhap Nicola has been insisting that Guly plays but NA has now explained that this is impacting us BIG time!?

 

Also interesting comments from MLT on soccer centre earlier......

 

"Guly is not fit to tie Lamberts boots"

 

He thinks NC maybe picking Guly NOT Nigel!!!

 

Guly has scored 0 goals in his last 26!!!!

 

MLT is not a Guly fan

[Turkish]

Or you just talking total horse sh1te again more like.

 

Of course it is.

[Tractor_Saint]

Guly was my MoM today. Really ensured that he provided the best opportunity for the team to win the game.

[Smirking_Saint]

Do some of you actually believe that Cortese forces Adkins to pick Ging gang ? I mean seriously ?

 

There is something in the academy players, Im pretty sure although he isnt forced to play them the team of Nicola, les etc inc Adkins had decided that they are to concentrate on bringing youth talent through, and tbh thats something I agree with

[Glasgow_Saint]

Do some of you actually believe that Cortese forces Adkins to pick Ging gang ? I mean seriously ?

 

 

Ging gang???

[Smirking_Saint]

Ging gang???

 

Guly

[Glasgow_Saint]

Guly

 

Got ya

[gandalf]

Guly and some of the others not involved was out for post match training.

[Dig Dig]

Of course it is.

 

It really is bullsh!t isn't it

[SaintBobby]

Find it hard to believe there's a "15 min clause" in Guly's contract.

 

But are any professional football players, anywhere, known to have "play if declared fit" or "in squad if declared fit" clauses?

 

Does seem the sort of thing a player might want, but I have known no proven example of it.

[Dig Dig]

Find it hard to believe there's a "15 min clause" in Guly's contract.

 

But are any professional football players, anywhere, known to have "play if declared fit" or "in squad if declared fit" clauses?

 

Does seem the sort of thing a player might want, but I have known no proven example of it.

 

Considering how much football is a results based business and the fact that player form fluctuates so much, a club would have to be stupid to even consider having something like this in a contract.

 

If we were to do it, why the **** would we give Guly that clause in his contract and no one else?

 

Pathetic rumour.

[ottery st mary]

There are some players even in the starting lineup....

 

not fulfilling... thy must play at least 15 minutes of football each game.....

 

which is written into their contracts.

[capitalsaint]

If he does have a clause, Saints could be done for breach of contract.

[madruss]

Is it too ridiculous to suggest that Guly didn't make the squad because Cork returned? Davis drops to the bench, therefore no place for Guly.

 

The 18 in the squad on Saturday, I would suggest, are Nigel's top 18 players.

[beatlesaint]

Is it too ridiculous to suggest that Guly didn't make the squad because Cork returned? Davis drops to the bench, therefore no place for Guly.

 

The 18 in the squad on Saturday, I would suggest, are Nigel's top 18 players.

 

Doesn't do much for the conspiracy theories tho does it ?

I mean your reasoning is spot on and probably not a million miles from the truth, i certainly think thats the reason he wasn't featured.......but you dont want to go around using that sort of logic on here ffs

[sandwichsaint]

According to 'Big Ron', Ronald Koeman had all free kicks within 25m 'in his contract'; not sure I ever believed this and I certainly don't believe it now.

[Dig Dig]

If he does have a clause, Saints could be done for breach of contract.

 

He doesn't have a clause. Hence why Saints won't be getting done for breach of contract

[Tony F]

Do some of you actually believe that Cortese forces Adkins to pick Ging gang ? I mean seriously ?

 

If you want to look for conspiracy theories - proof that NC interferes with the Manager's team selection consider this:

 

On 28 August 2010, Alan Pardew's Saints team won 4-0 at Bristol Rovers and shortly after that Pards was sacked. National press were incredulous at the timing. This forum was alive with theories, including one that Guly had been bought by NC without reference to Pardew. The story continues that Pardew didn't rate him, nor want to play him. NC told Pardew that Guly would play OR ELSE. Pardew brought Guly on with 5 mins of the 90 left (sub for Scheiderlin), Although Saints won 4-0 Pards was unceremonously sacked (for complying with the directive but taking the p*ss) and also, it seems, signed a gagging order as nothing has ever been revealed about the reasons or events leading to his departure.

 

There appear to be some themes emerging...... but maybe Adkins is on the way to winning the war of wills???

[sandwichsaint]

if you want to look for conspiracy theories - proof that nc interferes with the manager's team selection consider this:

 

On 28 august 2010, alan pardew's saints team won 4-0 at bristol rovers and shortly after that pards was sacked. National press were incredulous at the timing. This forum was alive with theories, including one that guly had been bought by nc without reference to pardew. The story continues that pardew didn't rate him, nor want to play him. Nc told pardew that guly would play or else. Pardew brought guly on with 5 mins of the 90 left (sub for scheiderlin), although saints won 4-0 pards was unceremonously sacked (for complying with the directive but taking the p*ss) and also, it seems, signed a gagging order as nothing has ever been revealed about the reasons or events leading to his departure.

 

There appear to be some themes emerging...... But maybe adkins is on the way to winning the war of wills???

 

wtf????

[Dig Dig]

wtf????

 

If I've ever seen proof of anything on here so concrete and undeniable, this is it.

 

Who can blame NC really. I mean, Guly is the best player he's ever signed so of course he expects him to play every week. Pep would have been sacked if he didn't play Messi.

[Clifford Nelson]

Putting the conspiracy theories aside it seemed more that NA's backbone had been strengthen to go out with his best team in the best formation and to stop worrying about whether players will sulk or whether they should play because they cost a lot of money. I haven't got any arguments with his squad, which seems to be a common opinion. Having been quite outraged about the treatment meted out to Guly on this forum and on the terraces, I do admit that his performances for a long time haven't matched the promise he once showed. He doesn't deserve a place amongst the 18, and whether

[Clifford Nelson]

2nd part:

 

he ever will is probably questionable. He lacks the aggression needed to make it in the PL.

 

We have to admit that we haven't always done well with recruitment. SDR is another one. Struggled to assert himself in the CCC and stand no chance in the PL. You also got to ask yourself why we added both Sharp, Jayrod and Mayuka to a formation which doesn't allow either of them to play in their preferred position unless RL is injured. It seems that the recruitment policy didn't gel with the tactical plans.

 

Whatever the reasons NA must now stick to his convictions and play his best team every week.

[Saint Garrett]

I think NA put his best team out on Saturday because they were coming back to full fitness. Cork and Gaston being match fit will make a huge difference this year.

[paris]

Loose lips sink ships .....................

[SuperMikey]

If you want to look for conspiracy theories - proof that NC interferes with the Manager's team selection consider this:

 

On 28 August 2010, Alan Pardew's Saints team won 4-0 at Bristol Rovers and shortly after that Pards was sacked. National press were incredulous at the timing. This forum was alive with theories, including one that Guly had been bought by NC without reference to Pardew. The story continues that Pardew didn't rate him, nor want to play him. NC told Pardew that Guly would play OR ELSE. Pardew brought Guly on with 5 mins of the 90 left (sub for Scheiderlin), Although Saints won 4-0 Pards was unceremonously sacked (for complying with the directive but taking the p*ss) and also, it seems, signed a gagging order as nothing has ever been revealed about the reasons or events leading to his departure.

 

 

What a load of bullsh¡t. Very convenient to have a "gagging order" stopping the real reason for his departure being revealed. Paves the way for all kinds of sh¡t to be touted as fact.

[Smirking_Saint]

If you want to look for conspiracy theories - proof that NC interferes with the Manager's team selection consider this:

 

On 28 August 2010, Alan Pardew's Saints team won 4-0 at Bristol Rovers and shortly after that Pards was sacked. National press were incredulous at the timing. This forum was alive with theories, including one that Guly had been bought by NC without reference to Pardew. The story continues that Pardew didn't rate him, nor want to play him. NC told Pardew that Guly would play OR ELSE. Pardew brought Guly on with 5 mins of the 90 left (sub for Scheiderlin), Although Saints won 4-0 Pards was unceremonously sacked (for complying with the directive but taking the p*ss) and also, it seems, signed a gagging order as nothing has ever been revealed about the reasons or events leading to his departure.

 

There appear to be some themes emerging...... but maybe Adkins is on the way to winning the war of wills???

 

That was a rediculous theory, as was the Pardew was ****g!ng all snd sundry one.

 

Basically Nicola wanted a manager that was going to stay true for a good few years and stay loyal to the club, Pardew had already heard about the Newcastle job and his heart was not in the job any more. There were a few ructions on the teaining ground too.

 

But as always a good conspiracy always gets in tge way of the truth.

Edited 12 November, 2012 by Smirking_Saint

[Smirking_Saint]

What a load of bullsh¡t. Very convenient to have a "gagging order" stopping the real reason for his departure being revealed. Paves the way for all kinds of sh¡t to be touted as fact.

 

I was going to write this too, Cortese never responds to anything at all anyway so that explains that side. Why would Pardew come out and say anything ? What did he have to say ? Add this to the fact that why woukd Pards HAVE to sugn a gagging order ?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Read between the lines on NAs last interview............

 

Guly was dropped for 4 reason -

 

1) NC is no longer insisting that Guly plays

2) Guly has been in poor form for 1 year

3) No goals in last 26 games

4) he drinks and drives

[doddisalegend]

I thought Guly was played to take pressure off the rest of the team....While Guly is on the pitch the rest of the team can play free from nasty comments and booing.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If you want to look for conspiracy theories - proof that NC interferes with the Manager's team selection consider this:

 

On 28 August 2010, Alan Pardew's Saints team won 4-0 at Bristol Rovers and shortly after that Pards was sacked. National press were incredulous at the timing. This forum was alive with theories, including one that Guly had been bought by NC without reference to Pardew. The story continues that Pardew didn't rate him, nor want to play him. NC told Pardew that Guly would play OR ELSE. Pardew brought Guly on with 5 mins of the 90 left (sub for Scheiderlin), Although Saints won 4-0 Pards was unceremonously sacked (for complying with the directive but taking the p*ss) and also, it seems, signed a gagging order as nothing has ever been revealed about the reasons or events leading to his departure.

 

There appear to be some themes emerging...... but maybe Adkins is on the way to winning the war of wills???

 

Interesting theory that would certainly explain a lot - it might even be true.

[Pancake]

Nicola wanted a manager that was hoong to stat true

 

**** knows where he will find one of those.

[The Angel Gabriel]

Someones misread that contract clause. Says he must put in 15 mins effort when he plays.

[Saint Garrett]

His effort is not the problem at all, it's more his ability.

[Saint Without a Halo]

I believe it is normal for contracts to state that at least 15 mins must be played to be eligible for win or draw bonuses! Maybe thats where this rumour comes from!

 

A big saving in paying out those bobussu so far this season for all involved no matter how many minutes they play!

[Eastcowzer]

You know. !

Ging gang guly Guly Oxenfeffer-Katzennellan-bogan by the Sea