Saint Martini Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Marriner screwed up and should have given us one and perhaps two penalties but in the end Lallana's dive in the first half cost him (and Saints). When Lallana dived when he and Rangel where shoulder to shoulder and wanted the penalty Marriner took notice and warned Lallana. When he then got barged over by Williams he gets a yellow for diving which was absolutely ridiculous but he also has to look at himself. If he doesn't start looking for it in the first situation then Marriner wouldn't be as sceptical in later situations. I for one am totally convinced we would have gotten a penalty for at least the Monk tackle if Lallana hadn't taken a dive in the first.
Raging Bull Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 If he hadn't dived he may have been awarded the blatant block!
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 he is turning into a serial diver...remember him falling over against the skates a few months ago...when he probably could have scored
Born In The 80s Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 In today's game, if the attacker feels contact, he MUST go down. Absolutely no excuses and nothing to gain from staying on your feet (assuming you're not clean through). Referees do not give penalties unless the attacker falls over. If you need proof, see the Nathaniel Clyne incident. If you don't fall over, you don't get the penalty. I'm just a bit ****ed off that a few more of our players don't go down under contact. Whether you like it or not, it is now part of the game.
CanadaSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Someone urgently needs to get inside Lallana's head because he's rapidly becoming a cop-out player. He's reluctant to take his man on and prefers to double-back, he consistently spurns chances for an early shot, he opts to dive when in good positions, and he's very slow to go with his man when our attack breaks down. And yet he has more than enough ability to play without all those failings because we've seen him do it. It's getting to the point at which he doesn't need coaching, he needs counselling.
Jonnyboy Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 OP has a point but the ref has to give at least one pen today or its just childish.
beatlesaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 AL in not that sort of player. Never used to be ! The OP is right, if he hadnt gone down like a big girls blouse in the first half he would have got one of those decisions second half, sure of it.
Miltonroader07 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 All this ****e with AL started when he was made skipper. Solution. Even I can work it out
Scudamore Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 All this ****e with AL started when he was made skipper. Solution. Even I can work it out Ban the skate?
RobM Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 AL in not that sort of player. Sadly, he is. He's by no means the worst around, but he knows the game, he knows that going down easily might win him a penalty and he makes the most of it. He did it last season, he's doing it this season.
JoeShmoe Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Someone urgently needs to get inside Lallana's head because he's rapidly becoming a cop-out player. He's reluctant to take his man on and prefers to double-back, he consistently spurns chances for an early shot, he opts to dive when in good positions, and he's very slow to go with his man when our attack breaks down. And yet he has more than enough ability to play without all those failings because we've seen him do it. It's getting to the point at which he doesn't need coaching, he needs counselling. Couldn't agree more, he's been a real disappointment this season, I'd leave him out for Mayuka
Restark19 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Seen penalties given for much, much less. I was up the other end so couldn't see whether he dived or not, second was a blatant penalty. Marriner was absolute dog sh*t today
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I know AL is not to be criticised on here but he has dived in the past and he went down easy on one of the occasions today. Sometimes its just because he lacks that pace and is desperate, but other times he just falls far too easy. Not sure about the one in the second half, but cry wolf and what do you expect. I hate divers with a passion. I couldn't stand Skacel for the exact same reason. Three game ban for any diver caught doing it IMO.
Tractor_Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm surprised they showed a replay of it during the game on the big screen. From what I saw it wasn't a yellow, it was a penalty. Deffo a dive in the first half and it's a case of cry wolf I'm afraid.
simo Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 He dived first half and that cost him the second half, factamondo!
Restark19 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I hate divers with a passion. Same. It's killing the game, don't care who it is they should pick up a one game ban, if it continues then two games, then 3 and so on..
stinhk Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Quite agree, some of his diving over the last year or so has been embarrassing, i wish he'd cut it out of his game.
Born In The 80s Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I know AL is not to be criticised on here but he has dived in the past and he went down easy on one of the occasions today. Sometimes its just because he lacks that pace and is desperate, but other times he just falls far too easy. Not sure about the one in the second half, but cry wolf and what do you expect. I hate divers with a passion. I couldn't stand Skacel for the exact same reason. Three game ban for any diver caught doing it IMO. If referees gave fouls when players stay on their feet after being fouled, i'd tend to agree with you. But they don't. It's referees who are to blame for the ever increasing diving culture in football. They only give free-kicks and pens when players fall to the ground (Clyne today being a perfect example). Most are also weak and easily influenced. We need to get nastier in my opinion, not nicer.
carljack Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Gets outmuscled far too often in this league!
Colbury Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The last 1 was a penalty. The others were not.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 he is turning into a serial diver...remember him falling over against the skates a few months ago...when he probably could have scored More utter crap from the chief bedwetter
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Gets outmuscled far too often in this league! must be those orange boots. Sling them in the bin Adam, get some nice black'uns.
Tractor_Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 must be those orange boots. Sling them in the bin Adam, get some nice black'uns. They've got a bit of green on em too though
Saint Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Has always gone down too easily, but like has been mentioned, it's hard to decide what's a dive, if contact is made is it ok to go down?! Argument is there to be had. Thought Clyne could have gone down in the first half,
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 They've got a bit of green on em too though Indeed, a typical Puma colourway.
ART Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 What a bad example he sets! His appointment as Captain is one of the main reasons for our current dilemma. Things won't change till we have a Captain who leads, dominates the game in a way to inspire not be an embarrassment and ponce.
Chin Strain Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The last 1 was a penalty. The others were not. Agreed re the first 2...thought the last was outside the area though. Either way, he's made a rod for his own back. Refs watch games, notice things, and talk amongst themselves. Suarez doesn't get blatant penalties unless the ref is absolutely convinced...they'll always have it in the back of their mind that they may have been conned. It's up to AL to shed that image.
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Someone urgently needs to get inside Lallana's head because he's rapidly becoming a cop-out player. He's reluctant to take his man on and prefers to double-back, he consistently spurns chances for an early shot, he opts to dive when in good positions, and he's very slow to go with his man when our attack breaks down. And yet he has more than enough ability to play without all those failings because we've seen him do it. It's getting to the point at which he doesn't need coaching, he needs counselling. Agree the double back is becoming more frequent to compensate for his lack of pace, further slowing down an often already ponderous build-up. He doesnt need to do everything - just wish he attempted to play the ball earlier and get involved in more give-and-gos.
boxosponge Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 All this ****e with AL started when he was made skipper. No, he was at it last season as well
raynesparksaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm surprised they showed a replay of it during the game on the big screen. From what I saw it wasn't a yellow, it was a penalty. Deffo a dive in the first half and it's a case of cry wolf I'm afraid. If that's true we could get a fine, Spurs got one last season for showing an incorrect offside decision
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 He was a disgrace today. Two clear dives neither pens. Very sad to see and it Cost him at the end when he was fouled and didn't get the decision. Buck your ideas up Lallana son, it was almost embarassing.
SuperMikey Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Had a good view of the first, some contact but he went down way too easily. Couldn't see the second but people I spoke to were fuming he got booked for it. Think Clyne's was a pen too. Marriner bottled some big decisions today.
rshephard3 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 AL in not that sort of player. Bulls**t. Excellent player. Goes down like a sack of poo though. Sometimes dives for sure. I consider it part of the game but he's no Saint in this respect!
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Had a good view of the first, some contact but he went down way too easily. Couldn't see the second but people I spoke to were fuming he got booked for it. Think Clyne's was a pen too. Marriner bottled some big decisions today. I had a good view of the second, never a pen. No way, went down way too easily. I was embarrassed for him to be honest. I actually thougt the ref was good and got all the big calls right.
dan17 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The one he got booked for looked a 100% nailed on penalty to me. I am convinced he had beaten his man and got clobbered. I did not see the replay on the screen so there is every chance I am wrong, but my first impression was penalty. I think the other two were dives. He is starting to get a bit of a reputation for this so needs to be very careful in future. And that's probably the reason he got booked and didn't get the decision.
Saints foreva Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Should be stripped of captaincy if he continues it. I'm still struggling to forgive him for his dive vs Skates last season when it was easier to score.
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The one he got booked for looked a 100% nailed on penalty to me. I am convinced he had beaten his man and got clobbered. I did not see the replay on the screen so there is every chance I am wrong, but my first impression was penalty. I think the other two were dives. He is starting to get a bit of a reputation for this so needs to be very careful in future. And that's probably the reason he got booked and didn't get the decision. Sorry mate, no chance, never a pen in a million years, he went down so easily. A lot door the clowns round me appeals, it then they also slagged off Guly when he wasnt even playing!
Saint Martini Posted 10 November, 2012 Author Posted 10 November, 2012 I had a good view of the second, never a pen. No way, went down way too easily. I was embarrassed for him to be honest. I actually thougt the ref was good and got all the big calls right. I'm not sure Williams clattering him was a penalty, but it wasn't a dive. But how can you say that Monk's tackle on Adam isn't a penalty? Lallana plays the ball past him and he just steps right in front of him. Stonewall penalty, nothing to argue about.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I know AL is not to be criticised on here but he has dived in the past and he went down easy on one of the occasions today. Sometimes its just because he lacks that pace and is desperate, but other times he just falls far too easy. Not sure about the one in the second half, but cry wolf and what do you expect. I hate divers with a passion. I couldn't stand Skacel for the exact same reason. Three game ban for any diver caught doing it IMO. Yep, it's ruining the game!!
dan17 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Sorry mate, no chance, never a pen in a million years, he went down so easily. A lot door the clowns round me appeals, it then they also slagged off Guly when he wasnt even playing! To be fair you might be completely right mate. I guess they will show it on motd later....
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 He was a disgrace today. Two clear dives neither pens. Very sad to see and it Cost him at the end when he was fouled and didn't get the decision. Buck your ideas up Lallana son, it was almost embarassing. This. I hate seeing it, especially from talented young players. He falls over way too much.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The one he got booked for looked a 100% nailed on penalty to me. I am convinced he had beaten his man and got clobbered. I did not see the replay on the screen so there is every chance I am wrong, but my first impression was penalty. I think the other two were dives. He is starting to get a bit of a reputation for this so needs to be very careful in future. And that's probably the reason he got booked and didn't get the decision. It looked like he was going down long before Williams touched him
Dellman Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Against WBA on Monday he was fouled and stayed on his feet and the commentator said if he'd gone down we'd have got a penalty...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm not sure Williams clattering him was a penalty, but it wasn't a dive. But how can you say that Monk's tackle on Adam isn't a penalty? Lallana plays the ball past him and he just steps right in front of him. Stonewall penalty, nothing to argue about. Correct. And it is also correct to say he dived for the first two and you therefore can't blame the ref for not giving him a decision. Human nature. His card has been well and truly marked and he'll be lucky to get a decision any time soon, and quite rightly so with the way he deliberately tries to cheat and con the ref. Great player, and he needs to cut out the diving NOW
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm not sure Williams clattering him was a penalty, but it wasn't a dive. But how can you say that Monk's tackle on Adam isn't a penalty? Lallana plays the ball past him and he just steps right in front of him. Stonewall penalty, nothing to argue about. Which one was monks tackle? I saw Lalana dive for two, then when he didn't get a decision which wa a foul you can't blame the ref for not giving it when the same player had dived twice before.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Against WBA on Monday he was fouled and stayed on his feet and the commentator said if he'd gone down we'd have got a penalty... Against WBA he went down, he always does. The commentator said he should have appealled!!
forever a red and white Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Watched the game online and have seen multiple replays, the first one he slipped the second one was hardly a dive I thought the commentator said " he knew exactly what he was doing." But yes it has creeped into his game for sure!
mcjwills Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Think the best comment I heard today was "Lallana you go down faster than Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat"
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