Mr X Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 out of his depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? What? Shaw was done his legs had gone. Or are you refering to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Shaw isn't match fit, he needed to go off. The problem is we don't have any quality in that position to replace him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 What on earth are you on about. We were playing well, no need to change it. Words cannot describe the frustration of drawing that game, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Some people shouldn't have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Do we have to have a tantrum everytime Adkins makes a sub. LB goes off for another LB. lets all wet our pants about it shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? out of his depth We didn't need to change it. We just need to stop the mistakes. What on earth are you on about. We were playing well, no need to change it. Words cannot describe the frustration of drawing that game, though.\ Typical bedwetters. Grow the **** up. Adkins did nothing wrong and that was a fantastic performance. Fox added plenty of attacking runs when he came on for a shattered Shaw. How about you actually go to a game instead of relying on commentators views and reactions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 out of his depth Bed wetters are out in force again. You really do not have the arse hole for a fight do you. God help us if you have to go to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Bed wetters are out in force again. You really do not have the arse hole for a fight do you. God help us if you have to go to war. bed wetters...we are going down with record goals against.... as for a fight...tell me, what do you do on the pitch then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Ridiculous. The number of goals we have scored from Fox set plays - the ideal person to bring on to try to get one late on. Especially when not likely to be under any defensive pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? Adkins has just said on Radio Solent that Shaw had cramp. Hope that answers your question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Subs not an issue at all today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Ridiculous. The number of goals we have scored from Fox set plays - the ideal person to bring on to try to get one late on. Especially when not likely to be under any defensive pressure. How many have we scored from Fox crosses this season. Not a trick question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Some people shouldn't have an opinion. You think so? Nothing wrong with the subs today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Bed wetters are out in force again. You really do not have the arse hole for a fight do you. God help us if you have to go to war. Absolutely this. Thedelldays and Alpine have shown the last few weeks just how soft and pathetic they really are. No balls whatsoever. A good performance ruined by individual error yet again. Players have to take responsibility in those situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? out of his depth Can you cite any specific ways in which the substitutions hurt us, or are you just lashing out at Adkins - again - because we drew a game we should have won? Thanks to an individual error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 There was nothing wrong with the selection, the subs or the tactical setup today. One avoidable goal cost us the win. Which is very frustrating, because we did little wrong today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 out of his depth Any excuse to have a pop with you at the moment isn't it! Adkins has said Shaw had cramp, so he was replaced with another left back. How in the living f**k do you manage to work out that means Adkins is 'out of his depth"? You're getting worse than Alpine Saint in the 'completely baseless and irrational criticism' stakes, and it's getting rather boring now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Ian Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 There was nothing wrong with the selection, the subs or the tactical setup today. One avoidable goal cost us the win. Which is very frustrating, because we did little wrong today. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 There was nothing wrong with the selection, the subs or the tactical setup today. One avoidable goal cost us the win. Which is very frustrating, because we did little wrong today. I can't help but think fresh legs or a bit of pace up front in the last 15 mins would have made a difference. I have no problem with the Shaw/Fox substitution though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 There was nothing wrong with the selection, the subs or the tactical setup today. One avoidable goal cost us the win. Which is very frustrating, because we did little wrong today. I dont agree... we lack any pace going forward...we have none. I still cant believe we never bought Mayuka on...we hardly worked their keeper despite having a lot of the ball.....we never get in behind..ever really... I though Ramirez tired a great deal in the last 20 mins, which is understandable...why did we not make a more attacking sub. the mistake hurt us..but it is a common theme...but we (like the fulham game) had the perfect crap opposition at the time to go 2 or 3 ahead....but we hardly worked their keeper IMO thought cork was good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can't help but think fresh legs or a bit of pace up front in the last 15 mins would have made a difference. I have no problem with the Shaw/Fox substitution though. We were alright though, In control of the game. I didn't feel there was a need for any radical changes. He's been criticized for making the subs in the final third before, and now he's criticized for not making them. He can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can defend Adkins no more he really is clueless! What was that all about? out of his depth on one hand its all about opinions... ...on the other, you see this and realise that some pr1cks are too thick to properly develop an opinion. FFS manager replaces player with cramp, with a player who does well when he comes on. Pathetic, whinging, ignorant idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Starting line up was correct, much more solid! That said woeful cock up by Gazza, should not have kicked to Yoshida, he panicked and Dyer clean through, Gazza then back peddled when he should have gone towards dyer slightly and closed the angle, individual mistake, by a 20 year old! It happens, not going to hold it against him! That said Fox or for Shaw was fine, no problem with it at all! Shaw was almost dead on his feet or injured, plus Fox was going to carry a threat from dead pieces. What i cannot understand was why Mayuka was not brought on for either Ramirez or Puncheon who both were clearly tiring! The injection of pace might just have one the game for us. On the bright side, it was a improved performance, and we are not far away from getting another win IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I dont agree... we lack any pace going forward...we have none. I still cant believe we never bought Mayuka on...we hardly worked their keeper despite having a lot of the ball.....we never get in behind..ever really... I though Ramirez tired a great deal in the last 20 mins, which is understandable...why did we not make a more attacking sub. the mistake hurt us..but it is a common theme...but we (like the fulham game) had the perfect crap opposition at the time to go 2 or 3 ahead....but we hardly worked their keeper IMO thought cork was good Maybe we could have seen Mayuka at some stage, but if NA had taken off Gaston and we'd still have not won he'd have been hung out to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 on one hand its all about opinions... ...on the other, you see this and realise that some pr1cks are too thick to properly develop an opinion. FFS manager replaces player with cramp, with a player who does well when he comes on. Pathetic, whinging, ignorant idiots. why are you taking it personally that I think we will go down (and we are) by easter with adkins..? no need for your insults what so ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 We were alright though, In control of the game. I didn't feel there was a need for any radical changes. He's been criticized for making the subs in the final third before, and now he's criticized for not making them. He can't win. He's been criticised for making the WRONG subs in the final third before - there's a difference! Other than Rickie's header did we create any chances in the last 20 mins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Other than Rickie's header did we create any chances? We had a couple of moments where we got in behind, Swansea threw their bodies on the line and blocked. I just don't think we played that badly today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Maybe we could have seen Mayuka at some stage, but if NA had taken off Gaston and we'd still have not won he'd have been hung out to dry. not really..I though Ramirez was pretty average today..and very very tired in the last 15 mins..which to be fair, you can understand.......we offer no pace going forward, everything we do in played in front of their back line...at the end of the day, cant really remember their keeper making many (if any) real decent saves.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Bed wetters are out in force again. You really do not have the arse hole for a fight do you. God help us if you have to go to war. Skates and Dickhe@ds more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Maybe we could have seen Mayuka at some stage, but if NA had taken off Gaston and we'd still have not won he'd have been hung out to dry. True, but Mayuka's all over the shop - deadly one week and somewhat-clueless the next. He was lethal against Fulham but a bit Ali Dia-like when he came on at West Brom. We were going quite well today, as you noted earlier, so there was little to gain and much to lose with that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I can't help but think fresh legs or a bit of pace up front in the last 15 mins would have made a difference. I have no problem with the Shaw/Fox substitution though. Perhaps, but at the same time we were creating chances. Take Ramirez of for Rodriguez and you change the shape of the team and the momentum you have. The same goes for bringing on Davis. I thought Schneiderlin perhaps needed a sub with him tiring and already on a yellow but I can understand why he stayed on the pitch. I have no problem with the tactics today. We did enough to win and a stupid mistake combined with us not getting a stonewall penalty and missing chances cost us the game. Not the substitutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 True, but Mayuka's all over the shop - deadly one week and somewhat-clueless the next. He was lethal against Fulham but a bit Ali Dia-like when he came on at West Brom. We were going quite well today, as you noted earlier, so there was little to gain and much to lose with that change. You're right about Mayuka, still very much an unknown quantity whose reputation is growing due to not playing. Similar happened with Tadanari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 We had a couple of moments where we got in behind, Swansea threw their bodies on the line and blocked. I just don't think we played that badly today. Not badly, just too slow at times. We were trying to walk the ball in the net when Swansea had eight players in the box. This may have worked against crap teams in lower divisions but it won't in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 You're right about Mayuka, still very much an unknown quantity whose reputation is growing due to not playing. Similar happened with Tadanari I've based my opinion on his performances against Villa and Spurs when he came on and caused problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Subs not an issue at all today... ^ This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I don't know what the OP is on about - Adkins got everything pretty much spot on. We created many more chances than Chelsea did last week and simply should have won. A suicidal pass by Gazza and dithering by Yoshida and that was that. That isn't Adkins fault. We looked much more solid with Shaw at left back and Cork in the centre. A good performance by all bar Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Cork made a real difference - actually won the ball and made forward runs carrying the ball forward - much much better than Davis Shaw looked OK - much better positionally than Fox Lambert has played better - but really needs someone in from f him leading the line - and we really miss the diagonal balls and crosses to the far post from Richardson Ramirez didn't look like £12million of value to me - he gave the ball away softly 3 or 4 times Overall the defence looked a lot better - but we really needed to win this game. A stupid mistake from Gazzinaga gave the game away. I'm not really sure what we do about the keeper - of the three Gazzinaga has looked the best - but he had a bad game today and made a terrible mistake - but all 3 have made them. I'd probably stick with him so he's ready for the Championship next season unless we bring in a proper first choice keeper in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Thought Ramirez considering he's just back was class and made things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I dont agree... we lack any pace going forward...we have none. I still cant believe we never bought Mayuka on...we hardly worked their keeper despite having a lot of the ball.....we never get in behind..ever really... I though Ramirez tired a great deal in the last 20 mins, which is understandable...why did we not make a more attacking sub. the mistake hurt us..but it is a common theme...but we (like the fulham game) had the perfect crap opposition at the time to go 2 or 3 ahead....but we hardly worked their keeper IMO thought cork was good You must have been watching a different game, we got in behind lots today, just did f all with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 on top throughout so right to not make subs. Mayuka was an option, but Ramirez always offers that little bit if quality and I can totally understand why we kept it as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Christ there are lots of things wrong and to moan about but subs today was not one of them, good job some of you were not about between 78 and 02, you would have been organising mass suicides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I just don't get what this thread is about? Is it that we subbed Shaw (who had a great game but has barely played a full 90 minutes for a couple of months) or the failure to sub one of the font players when we were on the ascendency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Some people shouldn't have an opinion. Yeah especially those sat behind a keyboard between 3 & 5 on a staurday afternoon !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 we never get in behind..ever really... This is just absolute crap. We go tin behind them loads of times today, on both sides. Also it was great seeing NA not making subs for the sake of it. None were needed today (apart from Fox for Shaw) and NA called it absolutely right. Still easy for TDD to have a pop on the basis of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 A stupid mistake from Gazzaniga gave the game away. Comedy defending, but the goal was caused by the midfield, I think it was Cork, fannying around with the ball and eventually passing it back and putting Yoshi and gazza under unneccessary pressure. Sure thy should have done better, but we shot ourselves in the foot by schoolboy error in the middle of the park. Lucky we didn't get caught a few more times when Gaston gave the ball away cheaply on 2 or 3 occassions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Only change he could of made was Cork in 80th min replaced MS who was on a yellow with davis, and maybe give Mayuka 10 mins for Gaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 People seem to think that Mayuka's pace will automatically win a game. For the last 20 mins Swansea sat back, let us come on to them and hoped to hit US on the break.. pace wouldn't have made much of a difference. We had no problem getting into the box, we just couldn't get in shooting positions often enough. If we could have kept it at 1-0 towards the end with Swansea coming on to us, Mayuka would have been a good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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