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We were BETTER. We had Ricky Lambert on for the whole game. We looked better defensively until the young keeper Gazza made that foolish error.

 

Not Adkins fault. Good substitutions. Good team selection. Good tactics.

 

We can iMPROVE with NA and more experience. On this performance we can stay up IMHO.

 

 

Stupid goalkeeper error for the clearance and Nathan Dyer was always going to score - it always happens to Saints, they come back to haunt us our ex players!!!

 

One error. One PLAYER error.

 

For me this was the most encouraging performance yet. More solid defensively and its great seeing Lambert, Clyne, Gaston Ramirez, Lallana particularly playing so well. Spiderman needs to be a little less French and more level headed sometimes for me, but he delivers as much as he makes mistakes. Puncheon is looking stronger too.

 

There's HOPE.

 

Well done Nigel Adkins. Take a sharp slap around the face Gazza.

 

Lallana playing well - I must have been watching a different game and I am not referring to his diving.

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This is my problem. For all our possesion in attacking areas we didn't really create chances.

 

lets enjoy the stiffer defence for two minutes before we start moaning about the lack of attack. Not long before we have people moaning that we didn't sign enough attackers...

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but the swans were ripe for slaughter but we just couldn't cut their throats.
they took Man City apart last week. We worked extremely hard, pushed high up the field and tactically got it right. I think we nullified them rather than them being ****.
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Good crowd for us being bottom at start of play.. 30,501 ....most teams would love that support. Played well, one moment of madness cost us. Shaw looked ok and will earn us mega bucks when he is sold!

Lambert ok but felt Mayuka or J Rod could have been given last 10 for puncheon.

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I just don't get what's going through our players heads sometimes, as in Gazza's ball out to Yoshida. If you're going to play it short out to a defender you have to be absolutely feckin' certain there is nobody near him. If you're not, stick 60 yards on it then we can worry about a Swansea throw in on the half way line instead. It's one of the basics of football surely, if you're under pressure and can't see a pass, stick it in the car park and get yourself organised. It's the same with that Clyne/Fonte throw in against Wigan and several other goals we've shipped. I think Nigel's been feeding them some Dutch space muffins at half time.

 

As a team we played quite well. An almost neutral fan I spoke to thought Cork ran the show but half the time we ignored him when in 20 yards of space. I'd agree he looked good, a definite improvement over Davis. Shaw I thought did no better or worse than Fox. He looked alright but was getting no help from the players in front of him a lot of the time. Overall I think we played alright but we were just a too slow and predictable in our build up. Hard to say on the penalty claims, especially Lallana's 'dive' at the other end of the pitch. If it was indeed a dive he needs a good slap because he should easily have scored from there. Christ knows we hardly had any clear cut scoring chances, if our players deliberately fall over rather than trying to take one they need a stern talking to.

 

Positives from today

- Ramirez and Cork look a different class to our other options. When fit and on the same wavelength as the rest I reckon they will be a force to be reckoned with.

- We didn't go behind all game, for the first time this season

- Pompey lost

- I don't feel so bad about losing at Leeds anymore. It's clearly a very hard place to go and get a result.

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lets enjoy the stiffer defence for two minutes before we start moaning about the lack of attack. Not long before we have people moaning that we didn't sign enough attackers...

 

The stiffer defence that were playing an attack that hadn't scored an away goal in the league since the first game of the season?

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Very little wrong today in terms of the team, and the setup. We had a good shape about us, closed down well and retained the ball intelligently throughout the middle of the pitch. If there was one criticism, it was our lack of final third impact at times. I thought we should have worked their back 4 more than we did, as we had the game in our hands at stages of the game.

 

I was delighted to see Cork back, and felt he added a much needed energy and grit to the middle - as well as being able to see, and make a simple pass to retain possession. A nice solid debut from Shaw too, didn't do much wrong and has good pace to recover when needed. The substitution was understandable though, as he was out on his legs towards the closing period.

 

The goal was embarrassing though, again. The blame has to go to Gazza who played the most ridiculous pass you're ever likely to see, you can't really blame Yoshida because Gazza set him up for a fall there - although one criticism i have of Yoshida is his lack of strength, he was pushed off the ball by Nathan Dyer for petes sake.

 

Overall we should have won that, we didn't, and it's the same old avoidable goal that cost us it. If we did that last year we'd have been punished, so god knows why we're doing it this year. One of our back 5 seem programmed to see red at some stage within a game.

 

Maybe one day we'll keep a clean sheet...

 

Could not of expressed most of that better with the exception that we should have worked their back four more. Generally that turns out to mean we commit too much in the final third and leave ourselves exposed at the other end. I was happy with the balance we created today as it could have done a job for us.

 

We have to remember we are a mediocre side that can get something out of games if we work hard, intelligently and are aware of our limitations. Against better teams than Swansea I feel we have to change even further and I can't see any way out of playing on the counter with pace. That would mean no Ricky but we have to tailor our cloth accordingly.

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The stiffer defence that were playing an attack that hadn't scored an away goal in the league since the first game of the season?

maybe so, but if you watched the Man City game you will have seen a side carve open the league champions time after time. I didn't see them do that to us.

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The single positive for me from today is that I thought we deserved 3 points.

 

Not by much, but I thought we deserved them.

 

I couldnt have said that after many games.

 

So, we're improving. We gave away a noddy goal. We could have had a penalty, but we didn't.

 

I still think we'll finish out of the bottom three, but I'll toast a beer to those that will accuse me of being a happy clappy.

 

(at least it gives me an excuse to drink some more)

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Am I the only one that thinks Cork was a fault being caught in possesion just before Swansea scored.

Marginally - I think Cork was caught out and that led to the ball going back to Gazza when we were pushing forward. Tenuous IMO and overall I thought he made a huge difference to midfield.

 

My only concern, other than the inexplicable error, is that I'm not sure Swansea were very good.

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maybe so, but if you watched the Man City game you will have seen a side carve open the league champions time after time. I didn't see them do that to us.

 

Could not care less what they do at home. They are clearly a different team when they play away hence why (funny old thing) they has not scored a single goal away from home since the opening day

 

Like Fulham, you can only beat the team in front of you. In both games we faced two dire teams that offered nothing and we could not beat either of them and gave them points

 

We so that against pish poor teams at home, there is little hope

 

For all the positives, we hardly troubled their keeper. They were terrible and we could not beat them

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Sorry Nigel is talking bollix, he has put his head firmly in the sand. Trying to make today's result as positive is disingenious to say the very least

I agree very little positive about the result, the performance was good though especially after the horror show at WBA. Can we follow it up with another and a win at QPR? If we do we might start dreaming...

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Could not care less what they do at home. They are clearly a different team when they play away hence why (funny old thing) they has not scored a single goal away from home since the opening day

 

Like Fulham, you can only beat the team in front of you. In both games we faced two dire teams that offered nothing and we could not beat either of them and gave them points

 

We so that against pish poor teams at home, there is little hope

 

For all the positives, we hardly troubled their keeper. They were terrible and we could not beat them

 

er, it was at Man City. They murdered them and were robbed.

I agree Fulham were poor and should have been beaten, but today it was about us nullifying them and not them being poor. Just look at how good they looked in the first ten minutes. We got hold of the game and didn't look back. We played well. We did create and at times they were hanging on. Maybe the clear cut chance weren't there, but we did enough to deserve to win.

 

I get the feeling that because you have called for Adkins to be sacked you have drawn a line in the sand and now anything that happens is not good enough. I saw you moaned about the subs on another thread suggesting Adkins was clueless. He has made mistakes this season but not today.

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Cork was my MOM. It was a shame he decided to pass the ball back to Gazza when we were well on top.Whilst it was not a good pass from him to Yoshida, on another day the latter would have got it under control. Gazza at fault though, as at that stage of the game, he should have put his foot through the ball. Still cannot understand with the pace we had today, we still do not get down to the bi-line and cross enough. Much better performance over all though.

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maybe so, but if you watched the Man City game you will have seen a side carve open the league champions time after time. I didn't see them do that to us.

 

We carved City open to score twice but only managed to score one past Swansea and created little else...

 

Are you saying teams should see us as a scalp because we almost got a draw against City as well?

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We carved City open to score twice but only managed to score one past Swansea and created little else...

 

Are you saying teams should see us as a scalp because we almost got a draw against City as well?

 

for starters that was a long time ago, second I think you'll find we scored with two out of perhaps three chances and it was Mancu City that tore us apart. We didn't carve them open at all.

 

If you had watched the Man City Swansea game you will have seen Swansea run Man City ragged. They were very very good in that game. My point is that they are not a bad side, but we made them look very very average today. We actually played well. If you don't think so then fine. It makes no difference and we'll have to beg to differ.

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Cork was my MOM. It was a shame he decided to pass the ball back to Gazza when we were well on top.Whilst it was not a good pass from him to Yoshida, on another day the latter would have got it under control. Gazza at fault though, as at that stage of the game, he should have put his foot through the ball. Still cannot understand with the pace we had today, we still do not get down to the bi-line and cross enough. Much better performance over all though.

 

Agreed Cork had a good game but if he had just played the simple ball back to Clyne and not turned back and inside allowing them to push and pressure the ball all the way back to Gazz we may well have one. Also if Yoshida had not showed for Gazz and turned his back he would have put his foot through it. Experienced players need to lead and not give the youngsters a chance to make bad decisions.

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Not sure Cork can be held responsible for the goal. Gazza made a poor choice simple as. It was the kind of mistake Kelvin has made in the past and been lambasted for.

 

That's pretty much as I see it. If you go back looking at the midfield, then you're looking too far into it. The mistake was the clearance, as straight forward and simple as that.

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for starters that was a long time ago, second I think you'll find we scored with two out of perhaps three chances and it was Mancu City that tore us apart. We didn't carve them open at all.

 

If you had watched the Man City Swansea game you will have seen Swansea run Man City ragged. They were very very good in that game. My point is that they are not a bad side, but we made them look very very average today. We actually played well. If you don't think so then fine. It makes no difference and we'll have to beg to differ.

 

Ok, my point is that you're looking at their performance against City in isolation. Yeah, they did well against city but they didn't score and they lost. A lot of teams raise their games against the top teams, even we scored twiced at City!!

 

Swansea haven't scored a single goal away in the league since the first game of the season. However well they played against City, they aren't world beaters and if we're going to stay up we should be beating teams like them!!!

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Ok, my point is that you're looking at their performance against City in isolation. Yeah, they did well against city but they didn't score and they lost. A lot of teams raise their games against the top teams, even we scored twiced at City!!

 

Swansea haven't scored a single goal away in the league since the first game of the season. However well they played against City, they aren't world beaters and if we're going to stay up we should be beating teams like them!!!

 

you are right, we certainly need to beat teams like them to have a chance of staying up. Gutted at not getting the result but very pleased we have bounced back from the WBA debarcle. Can we kick on with a settled side and formation...

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I maybe in a minority but I thought we turned a corner today. The side made sense in terms of Adkins' picks, shape and positioning. Shaw for a 17 year old played very well. Didn't ball watch like Fox and has the pace (actually desire) to recover from a mistake that he (or) the team makes. Ramirez short of match fitness , but toughed it out, ditto Jack Cork. Had some mates down from Swansea who felt they escaped with a point (and they did).

 

It was a horrendous mistake between Gazza and Yoshida. The sad thing is that I am sure Adkins did not get them practicing that on that training ground - and I am equally sure it would unfair for him to lose his job because of a mistake by a 20 year old goalkeeper (by the way who shouted to Yoshida???)

 

From what I saw today we will grind out a result against QPR.....and if we keep playing like we did today we will turn a number of sides over whom we probably have no right to do so.

 

Keep the faith....

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I maybe in a minority but I thought we turned a corner today. The side made sense in terms of Adkins' picks, shape and positioning. Shaw for a 17 year old played very well. Didn't ball watch like Fox and has the pace (actually desire) to recover from a mistake that he (or) the team makes. Ramirez short of match fitness , but toughed it out, ditto Jack Cork. Had some mates down from Swansea who felt they escaped with a point (and they did).

 

It was a horrendous mistake between Gazza and Yoshida. The sad thing is that I am sure Adkins did not get them practicing that on that training ground - and I am equally sure it would unfair for him to lose his job because of a mistake by a 20 year old goalkeeper (by the way who shouted to Yoshida???)

 

From what I saw today we will grind out a result against QPR.....and if we keep playing like we did today we will turn a number of sides over whom we probably have no right to do so.

 

Keep the faith....

 

my party of three all felt this way.

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you are right, we certainly need to beat teams like them to have a chance of staying up. Gutted at not getting the result but very pleased we have bounced back from the WBA debarcle. Can we kick on with a settled side and formation...

 

Agreed. It was better than WBA and hopefully we will push on now. We just need to cut out the stupid mistakes and defend as a team!!

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I maybe in a minority but I thought we turned a corner today. The side made sense in terms of Adkins' picks, shape and positioning. Shaw for a 17 year old played very well. Didn't ball watch like Fox and has the pace (actually desire) to recover from a mistake that he (or) the team makes. Ramirez short of match fitness , but toughed it out, ditto Jack Cork. Had some mates down from Swansea who felt they escaped with a point (and they did).

 

It was a horrendous mistake between Gazza and Yoshida. The sad thing is that I am sure Adkins did not get them practicing that on that training ground - and I am equally sure it would unfair for him to lose his job because of a mistake by a 20 year old goalkeeper (by the way who shouted to Yoshida???)

 

From what I saw today we will grind out a result against QPR.....and if we keep playing like we did today we will turn a number of sides over whom we probably have no right to do so.

 

Keep the faith....

 

I agree with this. We deserved to win today and I think we're getting used to being in this division. Referee has had a terrible game denying us at least one clear-cut penalty.

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Proud of every player today, looked much tighter at the back, i think Maya (or whatever his name is) looked class. Gutted for Gazaniga (spelling). He won't make that mistake again. A lot of positives from the game. I don't think we were as gung ho as we have been which meant we were much tighter at the back. Carry on like that i think we'll be alright, just hope it's not too late

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I maybe in a minority but I thought we turned a corner today. The side made sense in terms of Adkins' picks, shape and positioning. Shaw for a 17 year old played very well. Didn't ball watch like Fox and has the pace (actually desire) to recover from a mistake that he (or) the team makes. Ramirez short of match fitness , but toughed it out, ditto Jack Cork. Had some mates down from Swansea who felt they escaped with a point (and they did).

 

It was a horrendous mistake between Gazza and Yoshida. The sad thing is that I am sure Adkins did not get them practicing that on that training ground - and I am equally sure it would unfair for him to lose his job because of a mistake by a 20 year old goalkeeper (by the way who shouted to Yoshida???)

 

From what I saw today we will grind out a result against QPR.....and if we keep playing like we did today we will turn a number of sides over whom we probably have no right to do so.

 

Keep the faith....

 

Yep, well in Jocky.

 

I was happier with the side today. Punchy still doesn't do it for me but I'm a big Jack Cork fan and I think him being back is huge. Sorry to say I don't rate JRod, and especially not playing up front with Lambert, so for me today's formation had more balance about it.

 

Shame we gifted it to them; but lets take the positives. Should have won. And its the first league game this season we've let in less than 2 goals. 3 points would have been brillient, but a decent performance and points against QPR now becomes vital.

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A pretty even first 45 minutes followed by a second half where we were clearly the better footballing team I thought. Jack Cork's welcome return for the (terminally ordinary) Davis improved the midfield significantly - we have missed this classy player more than some on here have realized. In addition the other unfamiliar face in the team, Luke Shaw, (in for the struggling Danny Fox at LB) did more than okay I thought. If he did make the odd error (as all youngsters do) he at least had the recovery pace to win the ball back.

 

So after a lot of hard graft against a stubborn Swans defence Schneiderlin scored a (rare) header and we had worked ourself into a precious winning position. For a brief moment it looked as if we might even take all 3 points if only we could avoid our habitual defensive **** up. But our shocking defending is a harder habit to break than Crack Cocaine it would seem, and the inevitable happened courtesy of a disastrous Yoshida howler. The status of being captain of Japan means the square root of ferk all in the crucible of the Premier League I'm afraid.

 

So we drew a game we desperately needed to win and questions over the managers future, and more importantly, our PL survival remain unanswered. For my money a single point is no good at all in our situation, and should we lose the critical away game v QPR next week then the chances of our surviving this season would look very bleak indeed - if they don't already that is.

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What I find amusing on this board these days is the way that the post match tread seems to go. It starts off with the attention seeking chicken lickens claiming that the world is about to end. Adkins must be sacked. Half the team must be sacked. Relegtion is a certainty - after all everyboy knows that the season ends in early november rather thaan May.

 

After the first 100 or so posts a sense of perspective sets in . People who have attended the match start to post and the internet warriors who are rooted to their computers are out numbered by the people who know what they are talking about.

 

FWIW my opinion is that our performance yesterday was a lot more solid than it has been. If we played like that every week, we will win more games than we lose.Our season is still young and perhaps we are beginning to learn how to play in this division. If we can cut out or even just reduce the number of defensiveerrors we will start to rise up the table.

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Another 2 points thrown away. If we can't beat teams as poor as Swansea were yesterday at home, then we won't be staying in the league. It's as simple as that. It's alright Nigel telling us there were positives, which there were, but we need points, and we need to be seeing games out like that. For me the negatives out-weighed the positives again.

 

Positives -Shaw, Cork and Puncheon came in and all looked good, hopefully they'll all be given a run in the team. We seemed to defend o.k. yesterday

 

negatives - 2 points thrown away, we created as many chances for Swansea as they did themselves. Lack of leadership on the pitch is worrying, if Lallana spent as much time rallying the players as he did falling over we'd improve. Why were there no attacking subs made? Lambert and Ramirez were **** poor yesterday, yet stayed on the pitch for the whole game - What does Mayuka have to do to get on the pitch? We ran out of ideas (not for the first time this season) and why was every pass made backwards or sideways? The team was set out offensively, but why were the players playing so negatively.

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