doggface Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 1st half very meh, 2nd half much much better until the equalizer. Really feel for Adkins on that one, I rate gazza but it's a big risk playing such an inexperienced keeper right now. To be honest tho the other 2 keepers have both made that same mistake this season and teams play on it. Getting punished for bad bad transfer business, who's fault is that? Great goal from Morgan, great to see cork back tho the **** has got to learn how to shoot. Shaw did well, as did all the defenders which is a bonus. Massive game next week. Very very frustrating today. But no doubt we are going down IMO unless things drastically change.
Monk Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The challenge on AL by Monk was as clear a foul as you will see. 90% sure it was in the area as well from the replays. The one on Clyne in the first half was also a foul anywhere else on the pitch. I'm amazed to see threads blaming the manger today. We actually defended well except for their goal - must be so disheartening for Adkins. He still dived all the other times.
ollysaints1 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 No excuse for not winning that, another ****e goal against us makes a half decent performance completley irrelevant.
MOSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 We were generally better at the back, ( except ofor ur obligatory 'suicide' moment ), and the midfield were much more in control with Cork replacing Davis. However, Adam is getting a reputation as a 'Suarez', and Rickie seems to lack confidence - regardless of letting in the goal we really should have been scoring 2 or 3 against that team, and the way we played in the first few games I think we would have. We seemed to completely bottle things when we took the lead. Rather than close the game out by pushing for #2 we sat back and invited them on. I also thought Puncheon had one of his better games for us. I thought we were too slow to play the final ball in to be honest, by the time the final pass went in Swansea had managed to crowd out the area most of the time.
alpine_saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Thats got to be it. Another week. Another substitution/tactical f**k-up. Another defensive f**k-up. Another wasted home match. *awaits those saying "at least we are not bottom any more" Edited 10 November, 2012 by alpine_saint
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Gazzaniga should have a long hard look at himself after that. Professional goalkeeper? Seriously? That error was up there with Barts Golden Comedy Performance against Blackpool. And Marriner wont be happy with his performance when he sees Monks foul on Lallana.
There when Franny scored Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 He still dived all the other times. Irrelevant. You expect a Prem referee to base each decision on its merits.
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 He still dived all the other times. Told you all the other day that he's got a reputation as a diver and when he goes down refs just see a diver going down easy.
gammon cheeks Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Massive game next week ...We need to win so Hughes gets the sack! Lose and bye bye Nigel. be
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Massive game next week ...We need to win so Hughes gets the sack! Lose and bye bye Nigel. be If Nigel lasts a week more that is.
Polaroid Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Currently gutted we threw away another two points. I feel. Angry. However, I cannot blame the manager at all. Continue to play like that (with that starting 11) and learn to close out the game and we will pick up a few more points 'til Jan. Then we need one or two or three or four brilliant defenders. No pont in panicking, as someone else said, no manager can improve the back four until Jan, so no point in changing. Let's learn what we can and keep pushing on.
max_saints Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 that team that started has to start every game from here on. we are nearly getting there in terms of our shape. to be fair Swansea barely came to our half in the second 45, it is very unfortunate that the backline could not keep their concentration. enough with the chopping and changing already we are getting out of our slump soon I can feel it. no point changing managers, rafa Benitez or guardiola is not going to effect individual errors unless they're going to be out there playing in goal or defense. get a run going without losing and the confidence will start growing in the players and hopefully that will help cut out their individual erros. on a side note i felt shaw looked pretty good at left back
Ohio Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Oh great, now saints player cuts out the NA interview!!!!!!!!!!
brightspark Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Another frustrating afternoon..... pretty deflated! Adkins could do no more, it was a solid tactical display. Didn't need any substitutes bar the one he made. On to QPR which is an absolutely massive match. If we lose that one then QPR will find some form and pull away, then all of a sudden we're climbing Mount Everest as opposed to Ben Nevis.
Mr Saints Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 At one nil up, put your ****ing foot through the ball and don't chip it to one of our centre backs at waist heigh. We are clueless at the back.
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 lets be honest..we are going down very very quickly....they were nearly as bad as the fulham team that played here a few weeks ago... they had loads of injuries at the back...their striker out...have no scored away from home since the opening day.... we had more of the ball it seemed but hardly worked their keeper....our skipper is a serial diver and the manager is out of his depth down down down
OldNick Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm not not against Gazzinga but NA made a major call when he brought him back instead of the more experienced KD. Last week I thought had KD let those goals at WBA there would have been lots of questions asked, then today's mistake!! NA made another bad call in not bringing back KD who may well have added a bit of composure to the defence. NA is making major mistakes time and again. Another winnable gAme lost to someone else, to leave him in charge against QPR where it is a 6 pointer is a risk. I cannot see a good manager wanting to join if after next week we are a big gap from safety.
manji Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Currently gutted we threw away another two points. I feel. Angry. However, I cannot blame the manager at all. Continue to play like that (with that starting 11) and learn to close out the game and we will pick up a few more points 'til Jan. Then we need one or two or three or four brilliant defenders. No pont in panicking, as someone else said, no manager can improve the back four until Jan, so no point in changing. Let's learn what we can and keep pushing on. On bus on way back. Most of the game we played really. My fear recently is we have been getting worse. Not today. Absolutely retarded defensive cock up cost us the 3 points. Thats not the managers fault. Yes Cortese looked ****ed off. Good. That shows he cares. I think once we click we will be a good side. Too many fans that went today do not remember the roller coaster that the Premier League was before.
david in sweden Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Why? Adkins had the whole summer to sort out the defence and did nothing about it, what makes you think January will be any different? Cortese spent nearly three weeks back and forth to Italy trying to finalise the Ramirez deal... and took the cheque book with him. I'd love to have seen Adkins' "wish-list " because it must have been ignored totally.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Two ex players heavily involved in us losing 2 points Played well but Dyer lucky to score of the post when robbing yoshida from a por Gazza decison Then at the other end Monk takes out Lallana for a certain pen and nothing given Things just dont go for you when your struggling
trousers Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Good performance. One mistake all game and punished. Definite penalty, certain booking for williams which was his second. Ref bottled it. Keep that team and we will pick up more points. They need to learn that if in doubt put it in row Z or even AA On my way home from the game. Was just about to write more or less the above. Nutshell. Edited 10 November, 2012 by trousers
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm not not against Gazzinga but NA made a major call when he brought him back instead of the more experienced KD. Last week I thought had KD let those goals at WBA there would have been lots of questions asked, then today's mistake!! NA made another bad call in not bringing back KD who may well have added a bit of composure to the defence. NA is making major mistakes time and again. Another winnable gAme lost to someone else, to leave him in charge against QPR where it is a 6 pointer is a risk. I cannot see a good manager wanting to join if after next week we are a big gap from safety. Indeed, if we'd done as I suggested we should last May and signed an uncontested number 1 keeper then I really,really doubt that we'd be in our current siutuation. A crass management error and whoever made it should be gone by now because it was totally apparent that Davis wasn't good enough.
dvaughanwilliams Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The formation that we played today seemed to suit us: 4-4-1-1. This gave the defence a bit more cover and allowed Ramirez to have some freedom. We had a lot of possession and created lots of good chances. We didn't put in enough shots, but overall it was much improved performance. We need to cut out the individual errors at the back though. Giving away easy chances is becoming too much of a habit. I think that the vocal support for Nigel at the game shows that there is a majority of the fans who want to keep him on.
alpine_saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Cortese spent nearly three weeks back and forth to Italy trying to finalise the Ramirez deal... and took the cheque book with him. I'd love to have seen Adkins' "wish-list " because it must have been ignored totally. My thoughts too.
Thedelldays Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 boruc would have been utterly and completely slated if he done what gazza did today
Wiggles31 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Really good performance. Cork was sensational in midfield, Luke Shaw was very impressive as was Puncheon. Lots of positives. Gould of won comfortably but let's bring on QPR!!
Ohio Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I think once we click we will be a good side. Too many fans that went today do not remember the roller coaster that the Premier League was before. I don't expect us to be a good side in the sense that I want, but I would like to see us become "Good enough" this season. It's not too late yet, but yes, the Prem is a real roller coaster ride, for sure.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 My view FWIW: We attacked too slowly at times meaning Swansea got plenty behind the ball quickly leaving us to try and walk the ball into the net. Lallana has been going down too easily all season and it wouldn't surprise me if his card is marked along with Suarez, Young etc. Honestly it's embarrassing at times!! Nigel wants us to pass the ball out from the back and our players try to do it all of the time. We did it in League One and the Championship and got away with it but we won't in the Premier League. Sometimes they need to just lump it whether Nigel likes it or not!! We looked tired up front after about 70mins and could have done with fresh legs on, bizzare to leave J-Rod and Mayuka on the bench. BUT we did look better and if it wasn't for one balls-up we would have taken the three points!
Saint Billy Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Can we have a defense please Edited 10 November, 2012 by Saint Billy
Saint 76er Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Most telling image was of Cortese and Les Reed deep in discussion at the end. Will we have the bottle for the game we dare not lose next week? The losing manager is probably gone in that one. If a draw, maybe both will be gone (that may be some sort of record!). It really is all about points for us and I didn't like the set of Cortese's jaw at the final whistle, have to say ...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Why? Adkins had the whole summer to sort out the defence and did nothing about it, what makes you think January will be any different? NA won't be here in January. Count on it.
Wilko Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 If the keeper belted the ball downfield rather than delivering a hospital ball, we would probably have won. Apart from that moment, we looked like winners today. A lot of people on here need to put things in perspective. Get a grip and start looking forward to QPR.
Ohio Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 My view FWIW: Lallana has been going down too easily all season and it wouldn't surprise me if his card is marked along with Suarez, Young etc. Honestly it's embarrassing at times!! It's hard to not agree with this. He is replacing his talent and form with play acting. That must be stopped by the coaches.
stug76 Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 ......adkins has to go......sad to say... Sad indeed, infact, so sad that you keep saying it, and saying it, and saying it, almost to the point where you might think that you aren't all that sad about it. Improvement today, bring on QPR.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 It's hard to not agree with this. He is replacing his talent and form with play acting. That must be stopped by the coaches. Againts WBA he fell over every time he lost the ball. Most of the time he wasn't even looking for a freekick, he was just falling over - bizzare!!
Cabrone Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Disappointing, really needed a win. 35 points needed from 27 games and TBH I'm not sure where we're going to get them from. We need a win or two to get some confidence going. Boruc in goal please for every game. Stop chopping and changing and stick with our best keeper.
CB Fry Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Most telling image was of Cortese and Les Reed deep in discussion at the end. Will we have the bottle for the game we dare not lose next week? The losing manager is probably gone in that one. If a draw, maybe both will be gone (that may be some sort of record!). It really is all about points for us and I didn't like the set of Cortese's jaw at the final whistle, have to say ... They made a gesture which suggested shoving Nigel out the door.
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 It's hard to not agree with this. He is replacing his talent and form with play acting. That must be stopped by the coaches. Perhaps his "talent" has ben ovestimated.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 On my way home from the game. Was just to write more or less the above. Nutshell. I don't think it was a pen, he was already going down before there was a challenge. Don't think he had control of the ball either.
Wilko Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 The replays showed there was contact on Lallana for the second and third penalty appeals.
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Perhaps his "talent" has ben ovestimated. He has ability, but it's like he's OCD and has to have five touches of the ball before he can pass it and if he loses it he HAS to fall over.
Doctoroncall Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 I can't believe Dyer stole in to get the point!
70's Mike Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 at least there was only one mistake today, gutted because Gazza only had one other shot to save. We actually look dangerous when we swallow our pride and get it in to the box, NA needs to ensure we played, as he preached, winning football not just pretty football, crosses to Lambert early with support running of him
Ohio Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Perhaps his "talent" has ben ovestimated. I'm still in the uncertain camp on this. He used to show flashes of brilliance, but has now reached an age where he should be consistent. Jury is still out for me.
70's Mike Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 They made a gesture which suggested shoving Nigel out the door. Les Reed the man who had such a great record at Charlton
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 at least there was only one mistake today, gutted because Gazza only had one other shot to save. We actually look dangerous when we swallow our pride and get it in to the box, NA needs to ensure we played, as he preached, winning football not just pretty football, crosses to Lambert early with support running of him Lambert is one of the problems, not scoring fairly simple chances. A real PL striker would put them away.Lallana isn't scoring either. Today's goal came from a DM again.
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 If the keeper belted the ball downfield rather than delivering a hospital ball, we would probably have won. Apart from that moment, we looked like winners today. A lot of people on here need to put things in perspective. Get a grip and start looking forward to QPR. Somehow we worked the ball the length of the pitch back to Gazza in two lumped passes and what did they expect him to do with it?
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Les Reed the man who had such a great record at Charlton should be the first out of the door, won't be though.
Saints foreva Posted 10 November, 2012 Posted 10 November, 2012 Why didn't Clyne go down in the area in the first half? Would have been a penalty. Lallana had two shouts for penalties, first one he dived, not sure on the 2nd one but diving has been a massive problem from him in the last year. We don't need our captain to dive like he does. Two points dropped, very disappointing. Awful atmosphere and another game where St. Mary's isn't a sale out.
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