NickG Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Genuine question... Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked? I listen to radio 5 and talksport a lot - joys of too much driving with work. Everytime it is discussed every says he should stay. Richard Keys said we would be mad to sack him, the ex-pros say similar. Benali says he would love him to stay and best man for the job - change unlikely to improve chances of staying up. Heard Newcastle, WBA etc fans ring in saying same. Not heard one person in media say think he should go. Even Cortese thinks he should stay! The echo gave him 78% backing. Even in poor first half against Spurs St Marys were singing their support of him. I know people have different opinions - some on here genuinely think he should go, some have strange agendas. But aside from some frustrated posters on here have you heard anyone saying they actually think he is out of his depth / failing? I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Yes. Lots of people I work with for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Sadly in today's world, you have people who reckon that 10 games is enough to judge a manager's performance ! Mostly they are given 3 year contracts, therefore (if the chairman loses his nerve !) it becomes a very short sighted and costlly excercise before the club embarks on the same process all over again ! IMHO stability is vital and if you have the courage of your convictions then you have to stay strong ! Using the manager as a scapegoat is the easy option but all too often it seems to happen ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Yes. Lots of people I work with for a start. Out of interest, which category do your work colleagues fall into? "Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Sadly in today's world, you have people who reckon that 10 games is enough to judge a manager's performance ! Mostly they are given 3 year contracts, therefore (if the chairman loses his nerve !) it becomes a very short sighted and costlly excercise before the club embarks on the same process all over again ! IMHO stability is vital and if you have the courage of your convictions then you have to stay strong ! Using the manager as a scapegoat is the easy option but all too often it seems to happen ! That is all well and good. Would you still with wigley of he was manager now? For say... 5 years mo matter what.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 10 games and he is still playing expansive attacking football with players that arent capable IMO. Possession football is only effective in the right places on the pitch. I would have thought he would have realised by now and make us hard to beat, I hope upon hope that he makes it work tomorrow, and keeps his job. But im sceptical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2012 That is all well and good. Would you still with wigley of he was manager now? For say... 5 years mo matter what.? if had achieved two promotions first, was very well thought of, and given hope with good performances - certainly. But many threads on that... So no media / ex pro etc think he should be replaced or someone else could do better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 if had achieved two promotions first, was very well thought of, and given hope with good performances - certainly. But many threads on that... So no media / ex pro etc think he should be replaced or someone else could do better? Well. Would you stick with Paul jewell or phill brown no matter what for 5 years?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Does anyone ever, though? Nowdays, pundits trip over themselves to criticise short-termism as if this makes them guardians of truer, purer footballing values. Also ex-pros take care of their own. Heard some of the reactions to Jewell's departure - some pundits found it almost impossible to say it was a good decision, even if it was by mutual consent and way overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Does anyone ever, though? Nowdays, pundits trip over themselves to criticise short-termism as if this makes them guardians of truer, purer footballing values. Also ex-pros take care of their own. Heard some of the reactions to Jewell's departure - some pundits found it almost impossible to say it was a good decision, even if it was by mutual consent and way overdue. this^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 But aside from some frustrated posters on here have you heard anyone saying they actually think he is out of his depth / failing? I haven't. Yes. Lots of people I work with for a start. Out of interest, which category do your work colleagues fall into? "Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked?" Smartarse, you should have read the original post properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Gary Neville had it half way out of his mouth on Sky's MNF during the post match analysis and slammed it into reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I expect that anyone connected with any other Premiership club would want him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Gary Neville had it half way out of his mouth on Sky's MNF during the post match analysis and slammed it into reverse. Really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 1 in 4 Saints fans have had enough, I find fans have a better handle on things than media commentators. I remember everyone in the medoa saying D Jones should not be relieved of his duties but us fans knew it was too much to ask a man to manage a Premiership Club and fight those teriible allegations. Lowe got stick for putting him on gardening leave but it was the right decision. For me I still think we should keep Adkins but we should also recognise something aint right at the moment and I am not just talking about the lack of quality on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The man got us to the Prem so the man deserves the chance to keep us there.Talk of sacking him after just 10 games in his first attempt of the Prem is just so wrong.Too many clubs panic and sack managers too easily,we need to hold our nerve and give the man more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The man got us to the Prem so the man deserves the chance to keep us there.Talk of sacking him after just 10 games in his first attempt of the Prem is just so wrong.Too many clubs panic and sack managers too easily,we need to hold our nerve and give the man more time. I thought it was a team effort? Did not Kelvin deserve the same courtesy (or Hammond, Sharp, Jos etc etc)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 FF, the change in our whole demeanor as a team, accepting that we have gone up to a different level, has still been downright odd really. I thought NA was very good tactically last season. If you want a case for him staying, I don't think some of us are really convinced that a likely replacement will have a significantly better chance of keeping us up. Also, NA has a track record of learning to adapt at a new level before, albeit over a relegation. On the point of other examples, Dave Jones team was so dire to watch, I for one didn't mourn us moving on. As for Steve Wigley, he was dreadful, and I resented Lowe's arrogance expressed by his appointment. Thinking of NA on the other hand makes me think of some of the best times I've had as a saints fan. It is only sport after all. What's the point if as fans we can't show a bit of loyalty in this particular set of circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Genuine question... Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked? I listen to radio 5 and talksport a lot - joys of too much driving with work. Everytime it is discussed every says he should stay. Richard Keys said we would be mad to sack him, the ex-pros say similar. Benali says he would love him to stay and best man for the job - change unlikely to improve chances of staying up. Heard Newcastle, WBA etc fans ring in saying same. Not heard one person in media say think he should go. Even Cortese thinks he should stay! The echo gave him 78% backing. Even in poor first half against Spurs St Marys were singing their support of him. I know people have different opinions - some on here genuinely think he should go, some have strange agendas. But aside from some frustrated posters on here have you heard anyone saying they actually think he is out of his depth / failing? I haven't. There are no easy answers here and I have only a minimal idea of how much more we can afford this season. Adkins did such an exceptional job for us last season I have no worries should we decide to stick with him and that's with the belief that he is presently out of his depth and these are his failings. But I am looking more at the big picture where we eventually get things right and we are not far off. My pique of frustration has long gone when all this became so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archstanton Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Proper Saints fans who have stuck with the club through thick & thin who want Adkins to stay versus plastic knee jerk ,gloryhunting casual fans Shocker!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The man got us to the Prem so the man deserves the chance to keep us there.Talk of sacking him after just 10 games in his first attempt of the Prem is just so wrong.Too many clubs panic and sack managers too easily,we need to hold our nerve and give the man more time. This 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 FF, the change in our whole demeanor as a team, accepting that we have gone up to a different level, has still been downright odd really. I thought NA was very good tactically last season. If you want a case for him staying, I don't think some of us are really convinced that a likely replacement will have a significantly better chance of keeping us up. Also, NA has a track record of learning to adapt at a new level before, albeit over a relegation. On the point of other examples, Dave Jones team was so dire to watch, I for one didn't mourn us moving on. As for Steve Wigley, he was dreadful, and I resented Lowe's arrogance expressed by his appointment. Thinking of NA on the other hand makes me think of some of the best times I've had as a saints fan. It is only sport after all. What's the point if as fans we can't show a bit of loyalty in this particular set of circumstances. A fair post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 That is all well and good. Would you still with wigley of he was manager now? For say... 5 years mo matter what.? Just imagine what that would have been like. We could have been relegated twice and in administration by the then of the five years....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I took a walk this afternoon across the blasted Exmoor. I bent forward and set myself against the westerly wind carrying a fine, yet stinging drizzle. As I gained the lea (and some relative quiet) a near sound beset my ears. A flock of sheep huddled hard against the twisted hedge. Amidst the baa-ing a single sheep's voice held clear and spake clearer. I leant in and listened. 'Staaaaaaay, Nigel, staaaaaay' - it seemed to say, I couldn't be sure as the wind whipped up once more, and I carried on my way........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Proper Saints fans who have stuck with the club through thick & thin who want Adkins to stay versus plastic knee jerk ,gloryhunting casual fans Shocker!!!!!!! Yet another so called 'Fan' who thinks that fans with an opposing opinion to his are in some way inferior and classified as unworthy for some idealistic, bias unproven reason. Fans who think differently to you deserve respect - they cannot be classified in some simplistic disrespectful way. Your selfish arrogant minority opinion does not belong on an open forum for ALL Saints fans. You make yourself out to be some sort of lone Martyr who has a monopoly on supporting Saints in tough times - you are not. Your value as a fan is no greater than any other fan... no matter what their opinion or regularity of buying a ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I took a walk this afternoon across the blasted Exmoor. I bent forward and set myself against the westerly wind carrying a fine, yet stinging drizzle. As I gained the lea (and some relative quiet) a near sound beset my ears. A flock of sheep huddled hard against the twisted hedge. Amidst the baa-ing a single sheep's voice held clear and spake clearer. I leant in and listened. 'Staaaaaaay, Nigel, staaaaaay' - it seemed to say, I couldn't be sure as the wind whipped up once more, and I carried on my way........ Excellent rousing stuff! If only you were in dressing room before the match tomorrow, we would cruise home to a splendid victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 That is all well and good. Would you still with wigley of he was manager now? For say... 5 years mo matter what.? If I remember correctly - and I might not - Wigley was a rather half-hearted internal promotion on a short-ish contract. If he'd had a couple of years of staggering success behind him as Saints manager, I would have given him more time. The club decided - after a stunning record - to give Adkins a lengthy, lucrative 5 year contract. Was that a dumb decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I want Adkins to stay and be successful with SFC mid table - but we are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Naturally I take notice of what others think, but as I take the trouble to go to games and see for myself how we are performing, I don't actually need the opinions of outside pundits to form my own judgment. For what it's worth I believe most fans on here pay our team performance a hell of a lot more attention than some ex pro, or Essex based MUFC fan, on Talksport/5Live ever will. Now if some 'expert' on here, or in the media, wants to spout the tired old perceived wisdom that retaining the services of struggling managers is the sure route to success, then good for them. That claim however might sound more convincing if there were some/any solid evidence to support it. The frustratingly illusive truth is that sometimes sticking with failing managers results in long term success, and sometimes it doesn't. Examples of clubs successfully changing managers midseason are legion - but as we well know that doesn't always work either. So in the final analysis it all comes down to a matter of judgement. I suspect the jury will deliver its verdict in the case of Adkins v The Premier League before very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Genuine question... Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked? I listen to radio 5 and talksport a lot - joys of too much driving with work. Everytime it is discussed every says he should stay. Richard Keys said we would be mad to sack him, the ex-pros say similar. Benali says he would love him to stay and best man for the job - change unlikely to improve chances of staying up. Heard Newcastle, WBA etc fans ring in saying same. Not heard one person in media say think he should go. Even Cortese thinks he should stay! The echo gave him 78% backing. Even in poor first half against Spurs St Marys were singing their support of him. I know people have different opinions - some on here genuinely think he should go, some have strange agendas. But aside from some frustrated posters on here have you heard anyone saying they actually think he is out of his depth / failing? I haven't. I have heard people criticising his mistakes and saying he is vastly running out of time, but no, I haven't actually heard people saying he should be sacked. But then, most ex players, journalists and media outlets peddle a very different agenda to actual fans, very rarely offering a negative opinion about a manager (for fear of being frozen out by the club/manager for interbiews etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I have heard people criticising his mistakes and saying he is vastly running out of time, but no, I haven't actually heard people saying he should be sacked. But then, most ex players, journalists and media outlets peddle a very different agenda to actual fans, very rarely offering a negative opinion about a manager (for fear of being frozen out by the club/manager for interbiews etc) And a lot of them dont think its all down to Adkins and he isn't fully in control of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 To be honest, when has anyone in the game ever called for a manager to go? They don't. It's a club with one strategy - time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 That is all well and good. Would you still with wigley of he was manager now? For say... 5 years mo matter what.? I don't think that is even remotely a 'like for like' situation ! I always wonder about people who reckon that 10 games is enough to make a judgement, what sort of contract would you offer ? Nicola - "Hello Signor Guardiola, we think you're the right man for the job and are prepared to offer you a 10 match contract, how about it?" Pep - "Fantastic, when do I start" ! (This may well be a sh#t analogy but it's no worse than comparing Nigel's situation to Wigley's!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Proper Saints fans who have stuck with the club through thick & thin who want Adkins to stay versus plastic knee jerk ,gloryhunting casual fans Shocker!!!!!!!i have supported saints through thick and mainly thin for over 40 years, Im no plastic, and definitely not a glory hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Genuine question... Have you heard any ex-pro, tv or radio presenter, pundit, journalist saying he should be sacked? No, what they do instead is trot out the "Adkins is under pressure from the board" line, even though they have no idea whether he is or is not. It then becomes self-fulfilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 i have supported saints through thick and mainly thin for over 40 years, Im no plastic, and definitely not a glory hunter Pah a youngster then, I first got taken to the Dell in 1953/4 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I expect that anyone connected with any other Premiership club would want him to stay. LoL !!!! Quite right though. The Canaries fans are happy to support NA whilst our results remain dismal. They have the 'as long as there are three struggling teams below us' attitude and you can't blame them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Yet another so called 'Fan' who thinks that fans with an opposing opinion to his are in some way inferior and classified as unworthy for some idealistic, bias unproven reason. Fans who think differently to you deserve respect - they cannot be classified in some simplistic disrespectful way. Your selfish arrogant minority opinion does not belong on an open forum for ALL Saints fans. You make yourself out to be some sort of lone Martyr who has a monopoly on supporting Saints in tough times - you are not. Your value as a fan is no greater than any other fan... no matter what their opinion or regularity of buying a ticket! Excellent post one we could all do well to learn from myself included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 In his nine years of management, Adkins has achieved something special, be it promotion or winning a title or reaching a final in every season except for one relegation. I think that if we give him the rest of the season to turn things round, he can do it. And if he doesn't, it will be because we didn't purchase the defenders that he said he wanted in the summer. I struggle to comprehend that he is the weak link in Southampton Football Club, and therefore getting rid of him will not solve our current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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