shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Just another person within the game and media with the view that Adkins isn't fully in control. Dismiss it if you like, but there seems to be quite a few. Why would Merson just assume it is th chairman making the decisions? There are more buts, ifs and seems in that piece than when you're at your most eloquent finest. Odd place to start by focussing on Lambert - I would say that favouring Jrod demonstrates NA is fully in control. But then again, as Merse also admits, we're all talking from a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 There are more buts, ifs and seems in that piece than when you're at your most eloquent finest. Odd place to start by focussing on Lambert - I would say that favouring Jrod demonstrates NA is fully in control. But then again, I'm talking from a distance. Maybe there is, but it's another person saying he isn't in full control. I'm yet to see anyone say he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So you admit the programme sellers were treated badly yet this is a one off and everything else and all other rumours are bullsh*t from dark forces that can f*ck off. How odd. I admit nothing of the sort. If you bothered to read what I posted earlier: Why would they print this now. I remember a season or so ago, when we were warned that 'dark forces' were trying to undermine the club. Can they smell blood? I'm sure Cortese's not a nice bloke. I don't agree with his treatment of the Ex-Saints, if that is true. His management style is probably not to my liking. But he has been a major figure in bringing us back from the point of oblivion to where we are now. To be fair, he's the best chairman we've had since Woodford. He has made mistakes, but I don't think he tells Adkins who to pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Maybe there is, but it's another person saying he isn't in full control. I'm yet to see anyone say he is. In Merse's own words..."from a distance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Merson is a clueless skate. I bet he can barely remember playing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 In Merse's own words..."from a distance". Same goes for everyone except Cortese and Reed doesn't it? I suppose Adkins is closer as he gets given the team sheet on a thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I find it bizarre how the same old people just dismiss it point blank! People don't just make things up for fun. I'm bored with saying it now. If you don't want to except reality then carry on dismissing it until such time it smacks you in the face and the penny drops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I find it bizarre how the same old people just dismiss it point blank! People don't just make things up for fun. I'm bored with saying it now. If you don't want to except reality then carry on dismissing it until such time it smacks you in the face and the penny drops! Most sensible thing you've ever posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Perhaps he did. But don't you think that fellow pundit might have connections at the club and a good idea as to what is going on? If he's got evidence that Cortese is running the club badly, why doesn't he just come out and say it, rather than pathetically use his mate. If Cortese is running the club poorly, we all want to know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 If he's got evidence that Cortese is running the club badly, why doesn't he just come out and say it, rather than pathetically use his mate. If Cortese is running the club poorly, we all want to know about it. He did say on twitter a while ago that Adkins gets orders from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I find it bizarre how the same old people just dismiss it point blank! People don't just make things up for fun. I'm bored with saying it now. If you don't want to except reality then carry on dismissing it until such time it smacks you in the face and the penny drops! Sorry, but where is the evidence that he's telling the manager who to pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Why has this thread been moved yet Nick Gs thread is allowed to remain? This mongboard will not tolerate the questioning of our chairman. Edited 10 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Merson is a clueless skate. Probably about the only real FACT on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Evidence? What exactly would you like? A hand written team sheet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Perhaps Nigel should try to get one of those T Shirts that Kimi Raikkonen has been handing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Why has this thread been moved yet Nick Gs thread is allowed to remain? This mongboard will not tolerate the questioning of our chairman. ummm probably because it was a similar topic to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 ummm probably because it was a similar topic to this thread So is a Nick Gs one. But presumably as that is a postive thread that is allowed to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So is a Nick Gs one. But presumably as that is a postive thread that is allowed to stay? Agree it's a sh*t thread too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So is a Nick Gs one. But presumably as that is a postive thread that is allowed to stay? Diddums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Diddums. Morning Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Why has this thread been moved yet Nick Gs thread is allowed to remain? This mongboard will not tolerate the questioning of our chairman. I question the chairman, but the theory that Wonga dictates team selection is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Morning Barry. Morning Tattoo / Walt (or whatever you are this week). Quick question for you - I appreciate you are busy thumping your keyboard to oblivion. What exactly do you hope to achieve from your current crusade against Nic Nac? Is it to get him to walk away from the Club? I appreciate you have a long list of suitors waiting to step in with the financial clout to keep us going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I question the chairman, but the theory that Wonga dictates team selection is inaccurate. Well if you believe Adkins 100% like some seem to he has basically wasted £30m in the transfer market on players in the wrong positions with no premier league experience, failed to address the key areas in the side that needed strengthening, something he said he would be doing as a priority. He is tactically inept, makes bad substitutions at the wrong time, leaves our best striker and possibly best player on the bench or takes him off at key times during the games, Has some blind faith in Guly, a player who has done little to justify this for a year, has a rotation policy for goalkeepers and doesn't know what his best team or formation is. If you believe this then I say we need to get rid now as this would make him the most incompetent manager in premier league history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Morning Tattoo / Walt (or whatever you are this week). Quick question for you - I appreciate you are busy thumping your keyboard to oblivion. What exactly do you hope to achieve from your current crusade against Nic Nac? Is it to get him to walk away from the Club? I appreciate you have a long list of suitors waiting to step in with the financial clout to keep us going? Crusade? It's an Internet forum!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Just another person within the game and media with the view that Adkins isn't fully in control. Dismiss it if you like, but there seems to be quite a few. Why would Merson just assume it is th chairman making the decisions? Turkish you just have an agenda. You seem to be blinded by your idea that NC is picking the team and formation. If so, it may be better if NC sacks NA and takes the job himself, afterall he has got us 2 promotions in 2 seasons. NC the next England manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Crusade? It's an Internet forum!! You haven't answered the question. It's clear what your view is, afterall you've posted on each and every thread ad infinitum. As I've stated I'm completely ambivalent towards Mr C having only 2nd hand information to base it on - as I guess you do, at best. I'm sure he's making mistakes in some areas as all businessmen do but what as fans can we do about it? I'm sure you remember the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign. It's right we question how our club is run but can we influence it? Your view is clear, is it adding anything to the debate to flood the forum with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Well if you believe Adkins 100% like some seem to he has basically wasted £30m in the transfer market on players in the wrong positions with no premier league experience, failed to address the key areas in the side that needed strengthening, something he said he would be doing as a priority. He is tactically inept, makes bad substitutions at the wrong time, leaves our best striker and possibly best player on the bench or takes him off at key times during the games, Has some blind faith in Guly, a player who has done little to justify this for a year, has a rotation policy for goalkeepers and doesn't know what his best team or formation is. If you believe this then I say we need to get rid now as this would make him the most incompetent manager in premier league history! Guly has come on a few times near the 75 minute mark and that means Adkins is a puppet. Do me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 You haven't answered the question. It's clear what your view is, afterall you've posted on each and every thread ad infinitum. As I've stated I'm completely ambivalent towards Mr C having only 2nd hand information to base it on - as I guess you do, at best. I'm sure he's making mistakes in some areas as all businessmen do but what as fans can we do about it? I'm sure you remember the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign. It's right we question how our club is run but can we influence it? Your view is clear, is it adding anything to the debate to flood the forum with it? Would you not agree that the only ways we, as customers, can influence it are by either not going (not really an option if you're a fan, we can't just decide to support someone else) or to talk about it on a public forum and perhaps try to garner some local and national media attention? There's no forum to engage with the club, so there's little other option. It may lead to answers, it probably won't, but I'd prefer to be asking the question and not sweeping it under the mat. The only problem with that is; as soon as it does appear in print there's plenty of people waiting in line to decry how outrageous it all is rather than objectively looking at what's being written. Ask yourself; how many other clubs would treat a former legend such as MLT so shoddily and yet see their fans do absolutely nothing about it? Would Man Utd fans have sat back and done nothing when the Glazers came in had they shoved Bobby Charlton out of the club? The amount of apathy amongst Saints fans is disappointing, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Guly has come on a few times near the 75 minute mark and that means Adkins is a puppet. Do me a favour. Thats it, focus on Guly. What about all the others pointsa. If you 100% beleive Adkins then all I say is true and he iss totally incompetent and should be sacked immediately, shouldn't he? Edited 10 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Evidence? What exactly would you like? A hand written team sheet?? More than the feudal, baseless speculation I'm getting at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Indeed Mr Kraken I would like to think I do consider the position of our club on any information I can garner, good or bad as I think you have done, in the past at least. I don't think it's a question of apathy whatsoever. There still remains zero evidence, other than circumstantial, of the majority of crimes Walter has accused him off. Innocent until proven guilty? My point to Mr Mitty remains, what outcome from his persistent repetition of the same few points ad nauseum does he aspire to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 You haven't answered the question. It's clear what your view is, afterall you've posted on each and every thread ad infinitum. As I've stated I'm completely ambivalent towards Mr C having only 2nd hand information to base it on - as I guess you do, at best. I'm sure he's making mistakes in some areas as all businessmen do but what as fans can we do about it? I'm sure you remember the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign. It's right we question how our club is run but can we influence it? Your view is clear, is it adding anything to the debate to flood the forum with it? As with all good dictators, Nick Nack doesn't care what the majority think, but that doesn't mean we should remain silent. Did anyone in before the 90s ever believe Ceausescu would be overthrown or the Berlin wall would come down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 As with all good dictators, Nick Nack doesn't care what the majority think, but that doesn't mean we should remain silent. Did anyone in before the 90s ever believe Ceausescu would be overthrown or the Berlin wall would come down? Of course it should be questioned, I agree entirely and have stated this several times. You are still avoiding the question though, maybe you don't have a valid answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Of course it should be questioned, I agree entirely and have stated this several times. You are still avoiding the question though, maybe you don't have a valid answer? We can bring it to people's attention and rather than people blindly backing the chairman and lauding everything he does as amazing. This is a football club, not a business or dictatorship, without it's fans it won't exist. We've already seen how NC views the fans by his banning of a Nick Illinsworth for daring to question a decision he had made. Some helmets praised this decision and said it was brilliant. Is it brilliant that a loyal fan over 40 odd years is banned from buying a season ticket because he posted on a fans forum that what the club had done was wrong? Some people continue to ignore these FACTs and dismiss rumours but put it altogher and it doesn't make a good picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 He's even named the team on twitter. If that's not proof then what is lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 We can bring it to people's attention and rather than people blindly backing the chairman and lauding everything he does as amazing. So you've brought it to the attention of the forum, I'm sure I've seen one or two of your posts on the matter. Your view is well and truly digested by most I would imagine. What next? More posts of the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 We can bring it to people's attention and rather than people blindly backing the chairman and lauding everything he does as amazing. This is a football club, not a business or dictatorship, without it's fans it won't exist. We've already seen how NC views the fans by his banning of a Nick Illinsworth for daring to question a decision he had made. Some helmets praised this decision and said it was brilliant. Is it brilliant that a loyal fan over 40 odd years is banned from buying a season ticket because he posted on a fans forum that what the club had done was wrong? Some people continue to ignore these FACTs and dismiss rumours but put it altogher and it doesn't make a good picture. This is a very good point, actually. Nick isn't everyone's cup of tea; he's certainly not been mine before with his grandstanding "Saints Trust Chairman" interviews with local and national media. But he's a bloody loyal Saints fan, and having his season ticket revoked for administering a public Saints forum and expressing an opinion was crass, unnecessary and blatantly childish by the club. Yet the reaction was mostly "good, he's a c*nt anyway" and "well, if he wants to be a customer he should toe the party line and not write horrible things about the club". I mean, really? As with the shoddy treatment of MLT, our apathetic fanbase will shy away into the shadows, lest we upset the chairman and (God forbid) he walks away. It's really bizarre how fans will back a banker owner over an absolute legend of a player who loves the club with a passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 He's even named the team on twitter. If that's not proof then what is lol. Who has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 He's even named the team on twitter. If that's not proof then what is lol. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 @niccortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 @niccortese That's your twitter account, isn't it? It's a sh*thouse lineup, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 @niccortese Credible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Ask yourself; how many other clubs would treat a former legend such as MLT so shoddily and yet see their fans do absolutely nothing about it? Would Man Utd fans have sat back and done nothing when the Glazers came in had they shoved Bobby Charlton out of the club? The amount of apathy amongst Saints fans is disappointing, really. I adored MLT as a Southampton footballer and would would argue with anyone that he was probably the best player of his generation but as for his judgement since!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 As with the shoddy treatment of MLT, our apathetic fanbase will shy away into the shadows, lest we upset the chairman and (God forbid) he walks away. It's really bizarre how fans will back a banker owner over an absolute legend of a player who loves the club with a passion. Is Cortese our owner? When did that happen? And is it really bizarre for fans to back somebody who rescued our club from potential liquidation, or at the very least probable turmoil under some other owners similar to those encountered by the Skates, rather than an ex-player? What is bizarre is the perpective that some fans have in their priorities. I don't decry the contribution that MLT made to our club as a player, but compared to the contribution to the club made by Cortese, what exactly has MLT contributed to the club since his retirement? It is arguable that his contribution has been a negative one, which is more the shame considering that he professes to love the Saints so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Believe you me you can rest assured if it was my team choice it would not feature Davis anywhere near it. Or Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I adored MLT as a Southampton footballer and would would argue with anyone that he was probably the best player of his generation but as for his judgement since!!!! What are you talking about; Celebration Plaza was a roaring success..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 (edited) Thats it, focus on Guly. What about all the others pointsa. If you 100% beleive Adkins then all I say is true and he iss totally incompetent and should be sacked immediately, shouldn't he? Any mistakes in selection are made by Adkins. Any mistakes in formation are made by Adkins. Any mistakes made when doing the subs are down to Adkins. The mistakes in the transfers are down to the transfer committee. The mistakes on the pitch are made by the players. Flip that and all the successes are down to the same set of people. Cortese's actions should be scrutinised, especially ticket pricing, treatment of fans and the spending/loan he has taken out. I agree also that any interference with teams affairs should get the same treatment, but I see no interference or any evidence of it. Adkins dictates the formation running through the club not Wonga or Reed. Edited 10 November, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 So is a Nick Gs one. But presumably as that is a postive thread that is allowed to stay? Yours is still there, albeit merged with a thread about exactly the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Any mistakes in selection are made by Adkins. Any mistakes in formation are made by Adkins. Any mistakes made when doing the subs are down to Adkins. The mistakes in the transfers are down to the transfer committee. The mistakes on the pitch are made by the players. Flip that and all the successes are down to the same set of people. Cortese's actions should be scrutinised, especially ticket pricing, treatment of fans and the spending/loan he has taken out. I agree also that any interference with teams affairs should get the same treatment, but I see no interference or any evidence of it. Adkins dictates the formation running through the club not Wong of Reed. That's as close to my position/view as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 We can bring it to people's attention and rather than people blindly backing the chairman and lauding everything he does as amazing. This is a football club, not a business or dictatorship, without it's fans it won't exist. We've already seen how NC views the fans by his banning of a Nick Illinsworth for daring to question a decision he had made. Some helmets praised this decision and said it was brilliant. Is it brilliant that a loyal fan over 40 odd years is banned from buying a season ticket because he posted on a fans forum that what the club had done was wrong? Some people continue to ignore these FACTs and dismiss rumours but put it altogher and it doesn't make a good picture. I agree with all of this and think Niccy should be taken to task on it. It's just your theory that he is meddling with the side that I don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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