Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 If it helps Jamie i personally know 3 people that have left SFC since NC arrived. So it's stuff i've heard first hand and no, im not going to mention their names. It's all just rumours though why dont they say....why not go to the echo, they would LOVE to tell the story...my guess, is that it is nothing to write about...other than the boss is a bit of a d1ck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 We could do if people were willing to share all the positive rumours and expereinces they have heard from ex players and past and current staff. Im not sure why everyone is keeping them to themselves. I know current staff that are happy, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I know current staff that are happy, does that count? Share their experiences. I want evidence of their happiness before i make my judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 why dont they say....why not go to the echo, they would LOVE to tell the story...my guess, is that it is nothing to write about...other than the boss is a bit of a d1ck NDA and like you say, why would somone go to the echo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Share their experiences. I want evidence of their happiness before i make my judgement. I think you may have already made your judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I know current staff that are happy, does that count? Let's face it, in these times of crisis anyone with a job is "happy" Unless of course you're a raging French Communist Civil servant and can't be sacked whatever you do....then not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 NDA and like you say, why would somone go to the echo? I would go to the echo if NC is such tyrant..... my guess is somehwere in the middle...the boss is a ***t.....happens everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 why dont they say....why not go to the echo, they would LOVE to tell the story...my guess, is that it is nothing to write about...other than the boss is a bit of a d1ck Yep, that's a story I'd definitely want to read. "Nicola Cortese is a bit of a rotter. Read all about our stunning revelations about how he instructs staff not to speak to him unless he initiates contact, and how he refuses to defecate into communal toilets so had his own installed". Rivetting stuff that, worthy of a full page editorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Let's face it, in these times of crisis anyone with a job is "happy" Unless of course you're a raging French Communist Civil servant and can't be sacked whatever you do....then not so much. haha a point well made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Yep, that's a story I'd definitely want to read. "Nicola Cortese is a bit of a rotter. Read all about our stunning revelations about how he instructs staff not to speak to him unless he initiates contact, and how he refuses to defecate into communal toilets so had his own installed". Rivetting stuff that, worthy of a full page editorial. so, then this is hardly a big deal then is it....the side of NC being a cvnt....? enough of a cvnt to make EVERYONE sign NDAs...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Easy to judge and point fingers when only have one side of any story, be interesting to hear the other hello Just Mike, whatever happened to the Liebherr flag? did you ever get a proper response from the club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 so, then this is hardly a big deal then is it....the side of NC being a cvnt....? enough of a cvnt to make EVERYONE sign NDAs...? The side of him being a rotter? Not that huge, no. Added into questionable business practise and all other accusations; well, make your own mind up how important it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 hello Just Mike, whatever happened to the Liebherr flag? did you ever get a proper response from the club ? yes, but I though the "response" was ******** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The side of him being a rotter? Not that huge, no. Added into questionable business practise and all other accusations; well, make your own mind up how important it is. indeed....and I will...just keeping an open mind at the mo...just a shame others havent.and keep going on about what a d1ck he is about his staff.. we all work or have worked for utter ******s...nothing new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I would go to the echo if NC is such tyrant..... my guess is somehwere in the middle...the boss is a ***t.....happens everywhere Do you know what an NDA is Jamie? It's not like the NAvy where you can go running to the papers when the Captain beats you for undercooking his bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 yes, but I though the "response" was ******** What did it say Just Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Do you know what an NDA is Jamie? It's not like the NAvy where you can go running to the papers when the Captain beats you for undercooking his bacon. you do know is law from parliament that I cannot go to the papers.....right..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Do you know what an NDA is Jamie? It's not like the NAvy where you can go running to the papers when the Captain beats you for undercooking his bacon. euphemism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 As a bloke I have only ever met him once. Based on that he is a top guy as it was at a charity golf event my company attended. However I know people who have met him and they have said he seemed a bit childish. He is no angel and he admitted he fixed games don't forget. Point being everyone has negative things about them, even you. Based on the way he has acted recently I don't think it was right nor wise of him to come out and keep bashing Cortese. Especially with cryptic messages on twitter about how we will all know one day. Well why not grow a pair and come out and say it now? What is stopping him? Has Cortese come out and actually said anything about MLT? As far as I can tell he has kept it behind closed doors. And in my opinion that is where that kind of stuff should stay. As a FAN do I care that MLT and Cortese don't get on? Not at all. Do I care that there is a dispute between Benali and Cortese abut some unpaid bill? Not at all. Do I care that Nick Illingsworth had his ticket removed and given a refund? Not at all, at least he got a refund which is more then we got when we went to a Illingsworth event...Do any of these things have an impact on the club and its progression? Not at all. As a FAN I just want my club to do well and to not charge me so much to see them play. We have gone from -10 in league one with a shell of a club to sitting in the pl after 2 back to back promotions. Based on that does that mean the way Cortese runs the club is working? Would other clubs love to trade positions with is? How many would trade their chairman for ours? I imagine Bournemouth fans would in a heartbeat! Who Cortese likes or dislikes is nothing to do with us. I imagine if we got a nice chairman who was nice to everyone and run the club that way we would still be in league one and people would be *****ing about something else. Is there really anything to complain about? A couple of results will see us move up the table. Then what? Your say Les Reed did a great job and so did Cortese? Somehow I doubt it.... The sane, sensible approach with a good perspective. As the Daily Mail is a national newspaper, one has to wonder whether their readers elsewhere who support other clubs really care a sh*t about any of this. As for their readers who are not at all interested in football, the whole article must be even less interesting. It's not as if it's some expose about British football clubs being run by the Russian mafia or that they believe that this club is being run by a criminal organisation. Looking at the wider perpective, it isn't about national figures or celebrities; its a load of rumours about the personal relationships between the chairman of a provincial football club person and a few others. Therefore one has to wonder why they are that bothered with little ole us and our internal spats, unless the sh*t stirring is because there are people with a grudge who have media contacts. *Yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 you do know is law from parliament that I cannot go to the papers.....right..? You best make sure you get that bacon right then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 You best make sure you get that bacon right then!! innit...dont be late delivering your A4 paper tomorrow you ACTUALLY do that though, dont you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 What did it say Just Mike? It was a telephone convo with JS, after several excuses and me having an answer to most of them, it just boiled down to the family dont like it (or words to that effect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 innit...dont be late delivering your A4 paper tomorrow you ACTUALLY do that though, dont you.. I only deliver it as a special treat when they let off stacking and tying duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 It was a telephone convo with JS, after several excuses and me having an answer to most of them, it just boiled down to the family dont like it (or words to that effect) Or Cortese didn't like it.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The side of him being a rotter? Not that huge, no. Added into questionable business practise and all other accusations; well, make your own mind up how important it is. A rotter ?? thought that died out with Billy Bunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Or Cortese didn't like it.......... See, now that is the thing. He saw it way before the large flag was delivered. I bought, out of my own pocket a smaller one and took it to one of the meetings I had at the club. The feedback I got was that he loved it, which is why he then paid out over £2k to get it made in time for the memorial match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 This. Top post, nothing wrong with critiscism but it should really be based on some form of fact. Much like how equally praise should be given when there's a basis to give it. Hearsay and rumours however are just not worth bothering with, but yet we all do on here. Peculiar bunch arent we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 A rotter ?? thought that died out with Billy Bunter. It should come back. That, and wally. Nik Nak the wally; it has a ring to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 This. Top post, nothing wrong with critiscism but it should really be based on some form of fact. Much like how equally praise should be given when there's a basis to give it. Hearsay and rumours however are just not worth bothering with, but yet we all do on here. Peculiar bunch arent we? Not sure if you've noticed; but internet forums are kind of designed for rumour and conjecture. Stick to the OS if its 100% cold hard facts you're after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Not sure if you've noticed; but internet forums are kind of designed for rumour and conjecture. Stick to the OS if its 100% cold hard facts you're after. ....unless it's on a rare occasion they get it wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 See, now that is the thing. He saw it way before the large flag was delivered. I bought, out of my own pocket a smaller one and took it to one of the meetings I had at the club. The feedback I got was that he loved it, which is why he then paid out over £2k to get it made in time for the memorial match So it probably was the family then and people are just trying to turn this into another anti Cortese thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Why can't they all be wrong? What is it that they would be right about? History shows that the majority of the population of a supposedly civilised country can be wrong. And if somebody upsets somebody else or makes an enemy of them, who is right and who is wrong among them? More pertinently you might have suggested that there is no smoke without fire, but it's far more difficult without concrete evidence and hearing the viewpoints of both sides to asssess the rights and wrongs of a situation such as this. The only comment from Cortese if I recall it correctly was along the lines that there were dark forces within the club with an agenda to destabilise it. Did he mean any of those you mention? This can't be emphasised enough for me. The dark forces can smell blood. IMO, the dark forces can f*ck off. We're in a position we couldn't have dreamt of a few years ago. How have these 'dark forces' helped us since then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I just find it a crying shame that it has come to this. Under NC we have achieved things that Rupert Lowe could only have dreamed of (though he was more likely to dream about sizeable share dividends anyway). Hes had a tough job achieving this, imo; my impression is that we were a lazily-run club with an air of familiarity, complacency and decay. NC has undoubtedly shaken this up and put noses out of joint. For me its no coincidence that MLT is one of his biggest critics; a player with ability and potential by the bucketful, but utterly bone-idle. Forgetting that we have (hopefully) temporarily lost our way this season, we are a much more professionally-run outfit nowadays that just needs an injection of a bit more quality in the squad and both on- and off-field management; I just hope we have the time still to correct this. All those drawing comparisons between Cortese and Joe Stalin need to remember that actually NA is still in charge of the team and has his chance to turn things around. I think "utterly bone-idle" is a bit extreme. I think "not quite the same work ethic as Franny, but infinitely more skill" would be more appropriate. Agreed with the rest of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Off topic, but you have to love the photo of MLT scoring against the Toon. Notice the smile on his face as he thumps the ball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 I think it is a very balanced article and one of the better researched articles about Saints I have read in a long time. I also think the journalists conclusions are spot on, basically saying you can you have your cake and eat it. What amazes me though is how the folk of this forum dismiss it out of hand due to lack of evidence and accuse the journalists of misreporting. Do you really think a Daily Mail journalist is that bothered about Southampton Football Club that he will make up a load of lies and unsubstantiated rumours and then put them in the paper with little research or evidence put before him. Too many people still have their heads buried in the sand. Agree with this, although it did make me smile to read the obligatory 'he inherited a good set-up' line that the mail are legally obliged to credit Lowe with everytime they mention Saints... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The saddest part is poor old Ted forever waving at the cement works. Whose fault is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 The saddest part is poor old Ted forever waving at the cement works. Whose fault is that? It's better than Beadle hand Ted holding a ball facing the cement works, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 (edited) This can't be emphasised enough for me. The dark forces can smell blood. IMO, the dark forces can f*ck off. We're in a position we couldn't have dreamt of a few years ago. How have these 'dark forces' helped us since then? Well some of them have sold a few match programmes in the last couple of years. Must have made us a couple of quid. Edited 9 November, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesyboyo Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Th daily mail is for ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Well some of them have sold a few match programmes in the last couple of years. Must have made us a couple of quid. Sent from my GT-I9100P using Tapatalk 2 Sorry, I wasn't talking about the programme sellers. I have every sympathy for them and the way they've been treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 November, 2012 Share Posted 9 November, 2012 Sorry, I wasn't talking about the programme sellers. I have every sympathy for them and the way they've been treated. So you admit the programme sellers were treated badly yet this is a one off and everything else and all other rumours are bullsh*t from dark forces that can f*ck off. How odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Alfred Escher. There. That was worth the wait, wasn't it? No posts for two years and then a cryptic mention of a figure from European history, 'nice one Polaroid, that's cleared everything up', you are all saying, 'and welcome back'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I'm off to the game today, I'll let all you internet warriors know if NC is quaking in his boots yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Adkins seems to be the only one saying this publicly and Apparantly has said privately that this isn't the case at all. Looks like we've got another one saying he isn't here. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/281667/? Where do we file this one? Brilliant article from a top man or lies? It seems quite a few people within the game seem to share the view than Nige isn't fully in control of team matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Pretty much sums up how I feel about it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 :lol: File it under speculation, opinion and conjecture - everyone's got one, everyone's entitled to one. Still if leaving Lambert out is the best Merse can come up with to support his views, I shudder to think what the rest of the case looks like. Say no to drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 :lol: File it under speculation, opinion and conjecture - everyone's got one, everyone's entitled. Still if leaving Lambert out is the best Merse can come up with to support his views, I shudder to think what the rest of the case looks like. Say no to drugs. Just another person within the game and media with the view that Adkins isn't fully in control. Dismiss it if you like, but there seems to be quite a few. Why would Merson just assume it is th chairman making the decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I wonder if a certain fellow Soccer Saturday pundit influenced Merson? It's doing the club no favours. If it's true, what sort of man does that make Adkins? Certainly not a strong one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 Merson is a clueless skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2012 Share Posted 10 November, 2012 I wonder if a certain fellow Soccer Saturday pundit influenced Merson? It's doing the club no favours. If it's true, what sort of man does that make Adkins? Certainly not a strong one. Perhaps he did. But don't you think that fellow pundit might have connections at the club and a good idea as to what is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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