Daily Mail on Cortese

[The Kraken]

Who are the shareholders of all these?

 

There's a tab titled "Directors Employees" on each one, with details. However the shareholders tab is restricted, I think you have to pay to access that.

[The Kraken]

So now we've collated all this info about Cortese, now what?

 

You keep saying this. There's not a great deal as fans we can do, aside from what we are doing. Which is highlighting it and hoping that the local and national media run with it, as they have chosen to do.

[stevegrant]

So now we've collated all this info about Cortese, now what?

There is the $64m question...

 

As SFC is now a privately-owned company, there is pretty much nothing any one of us could do even if we had any ideas about what to do.

[Wade Garrett]

All of the parties that have been affected by Cortese, the echo, Illingsworth, Le tissier, Benali, Lawre Mac, programme sellers, ex staff etc cant all be wrong.

 

Only a matter of time before the Cortese bubble bursts in my opinion...

 

I've been told that the playing staff actually like Cortese, and to quote a promininent player 'think the world of him'.

[The Kraken]

I've been told that the playing staff actually like Cortese, and to quote a promininent player 'think the world of him'.

 

I imagine they would do. From what I've heard the players are given VIP treatment all the way and treated like kings.

 

The rest of the staff; no, not so much...

[Turkish]

I've been told that the playing staff actually like Cortese, and to quote a promininent player 'think the world of him'.

 

To give him his due, i've been told (i'm sure people will dismiss this as bullsh*t like other things i've been told) that the players are treated very well, "like royalty" in fact.

[St Marco]

Have to say that is a pretty decent article by the daily mong. They cover most of the things well.

 

However while the terrible two will be all over it like flies on **** I think it is worth noting that ultimately the issue is around the relationship between MLT, LM and Benali. This is nothing new and in some cases I think using them as a stick to beat Cortese with is wrong.

Benali claims Cortese fooked up his house but has yet not gone to court over it. Why? On the flip side should something like that reflect on the club and the way it is being run? No. It is nothing to do with the club.

Secondly there are multiple rumours about why MLT and Cortese fell out. Most me included think it is to do with the exclusivity period when they were trying to take over the club. Again that is a personal issue, does that have any effect on the club? Not really. Does this issue stand a chance of being resolved with Matty making the type of comments he has been making? No chance.

 

Now LM is the interesting one because I don't think we really know what is going on with that one. People seem to think it is down to giving him free tickets. Which in my view is the biggest problem here. LM is our most successful manager in regards to things won and progression. If you win an FA Cup then you should be given free tickets for life. That is my opinion.

 

So the article seems to suggest Cortese ****s on the old people connected to this club. Which isn't true. Remember the Legends day against Man Utd? All the cup winning team members out on the pitch? Hardly forgetting the past when you dedicate our biggest game for years to the players of days gone by.

Also it seems to suggest he is a guy who doesn't care about people. The comment about the person crying after him telling her what to do. I am sure we have all seen someone cry at work. Just the other day my boss said we needed to work an extra hour to get something complete and one of the people I worked with cried because she wanted to get home. He said she could leave if she wanted and she went. Does that make my boss a tyrant? Of course not.

Also it fails to mention the charity work he does, remember the Kenya trip? The work with Saints Foundation? Where are all these mentions to make the piece a bit more balanced?

 

The way I see it is there is an issue with communication from the club to the fans. Under Lowe there was too much, everyone knew everything that was going on. But under Cortese there is nothing. Because of this we have the "rumour" brigade out in full force trying to make you believe every one that comes out. Even when most are then proven to be false. I am not saying the club needs to deny or confirm every rumour i'm saying they should maybe at bare minimum give an update every 2 weeks. It doesn't take much to do. Most of the problems stem from this.

 

The thing that annoys me the most is that even in this article they are tip toeing around the content. Nobody seems confident enough or has a big enough pair to actually come out and say what the problem is. Why be so frightened of Cortese? Surely the mail doesn't normally care about printing bull**** so why not go full in and say what the actual problem is? Until someone does that I think as I said before it is just personal issues between Cortese and the three mentioned. Issues which can be sort of understandable from both sides. But does it affect the club? Not at all. As much as the guys above would love you to believe it but MLT and Cortese disliking each other means nothing.

 

The sad part is we as fans are the ones who lose out by them disliking each other and having issues. They all need to man up and let it go.

[shirleysfc]

You keep saying this. There's not a great deal as fans we can do, aside from what we are doing. Which is highlighting it and hoping that the local and national media run with it, as they have chosen to do.

 

Yep, I kept asking becuase no-one ever had an answer. Is there a problem with that?

[alpine_saint]

Have to say that is a pretty decent article by the daily mong. They cover most of the things well.

 

However while the terrible two will be all over it like flies on **** I think it is worth noting that ultimately the issue is around the relationship between MLT, LM and Benali. This is nothing new and in some cases I think using them as a stick to beat Cortese with is wrong.

Benali claims Cortese fooked up his house but has yet not gone to court over it. Why? On the flip side should something like that reflect on the club and the way it is being run? No. It is nothing to do with the club.

Secondly there are multiple rumours about why MLT and Cortese fell out. Most me included think it is to do with the exclusivity period when they were trying to take over the club. Again that is a personal issue, does that have any effect on the club? Not really. Does this issue stand a chance of being resolved with Matty making the type of comments he has been making? No chance.

 

Now LM is the interesting one because I don't think we really know what is going on with that one. People seem to think it is down to giving him free tickets. Which in my view is the biggest problem here. LM is our most successful manager in regards to things won and progression. If you win an FA Cup then you should be given free tickets for life. That is my opinion.

 

So the article seems to suggest Cortese ****s on the old people connected to this club. Which isn't true. Remember the Legends day against Man Utd? All the cup winning team members out on the pitch? Hardly forgetting the past when you dedicate our biggest game for years to the players of days gone by.

Also it seems to suggest he is a guy who doesn't care about people. The comment about the person crying after him telling her what to do. I am sure we have all seen someone cry at work. Just the other day my boss said we needed to work an extra hour to get something complete and one of the people I worked with cried because she wanted to get home. He said she could leave if she wanted and she went. Does that make my boss a tyrant? Of course not.

Also it fails to mention the charity work he does, remember the Kenya trip? The work with Saints Foundation? Where are all these mentions to make the piece a bit more balanced?

 

The way I see it is there is an issue with communication from the club to the fans. Under Lowe there was too much, everyone knew everything that was going on. But under Cortese there is nothing. Because of this we have the "rumour" brigade out in full force trying to make you believe every one that comes out. Even when most are then proven to be false. I am not saying the club needs to deny or confirm every rumour i'm saying they should maybe at bare minimum give an update every 2 weeks. It doesn't take much to do. Most of the problems stem from this.

 

The thing that annoys me the most is that even in this article they are tip toeing around the content. Nobody seems confident enough or has a big enough pair to actually come out and say what the problem is. Why be so frightened of Cortese? Surely the mail doesn't normally care about printing bull**** so why not go full in and say what the actual problem is? Until someone does that I think as I said before it is just personal issues between Cortese and the three mentioned. Issues which can be sort of understandable from both sides. But does it affect the club? Not at all. As much as the guys above would love you to believe it but MLT and Cortese disliking each other means nothing.

 

The sad part is we as fans are the ones who lose out by them disliking each other and having issues. They all need to man up and let it go.

 

The programme notes seem to be the best opportunity for this. No journalist twisting it.

[shirleysfc]

There is the $64m question...

 

As SFC is now a privately-owned company, there is pretty much nothing any one of us could do even if we had any ideas about what to do.

 

I'm happy for Cortese's mistakes to be highlighted but I'm not sure what the constant rehashing of the same stories achieves.

 

If Cortese has enough and quits I'm not sure what that would mean.

 

I can't see him being replaced.

 

Would it encourage another take over?

Edited 9 November, 2012 by shirleysfc

[shirleysfc]

To give him his due, i've been told (i'm sure people will dismiss this as bullsh*t like other things i've been told) that the players are treated very well, "like royalty" in fact.

 

I'd heard the same, but that might have been on here!!

[Turkish]

I'd heard the same, but that might have been on here!!

 

UNless you can provide names and FACTS then we can ignore this as a rumour!

[The Kraken]

Yep, I kept asking becuase no-one ever had an answer. Is there a problem with that?

 

Well I answered previously, you just chose to ignore it

[landford.saint]

And that's the problem, it didn't have to be like this. There was such good will from everyone when he came to the club. Some still dismiss it as lies and rumours, clearly it isnt.

 

I am not saying it is true, and I'm not saying it isn't true. But, where is the evidence. When I have done essays in the past, I always had to list my sources, and to evluate my evidence based on the strength, reliability etc of those sources. I have no links within the club, or with persons working at the club, so all my understanding of what I know of the goings on within the club, come from here, tv, radio, and the newspapers, etc. Unfortunately there are organisations/people out there (and on here) with agenda both for and against NC, NA, Les Read, etc etc. which makes it difficult for the average punter like me to have any knowledge of what is really going on at SFC. If I had to eveluate this article for strength of source, it would be classed as a poor source, the Daily Mail, has not shown a history of reliable jornalism. There is only one colaborating source given one part of the article, and that is from a person who is known to have a disagreement against the subject of the article.

 

Basically Cr@p journalism.

 

As i said before I'm not saying part or most/all the article isn't correct, I'm saying the evidence is as flimsy as Saints defence.

 

 

 

H

[stevegrant]

I am not saying it is true, and I'm not saying it isn't true. But, where is the evidence. When I have done essays in the past, I always had to list my sources, and to evluate my evidence based on the strength, reliability etc of those sources. I have no links within the club, or with persons working at the club, so all my understanding of what I know of the goings on within the club, come from here, tv, radio, and the newspapers, etc. Unfortunately there are organisations/people out there (and on here) with agenda both for and against NC, NA, Les Read, etc etc. which makes it difficult for the average punter like me to have any knowledge of what is really going on at SFC. If I had to eveluate this article for strength of source, it would be classed as a poor source, the Daily Mail, has not shown a history of reliable jornalism. There is only one colaborating source given one part of the article, and that is from a person who is known to have a disagreement against the subject of the article.

 

Basically Cr@p journalism.

 

As i said before I'm not saying part or most/all the article isn't correct, I'm saying the evidence is as flimsy as Saints defence.

 

 

 

H

If you're after a list of names of people who have provided information as a basis to decide whether you think something posted on an internet forum is reliable or not then you're going to be very disappointed. Writing on a forum or in a newspaper is a completely different kettle of fish to writing an A-Level essay.

 

Nobody with any sense is going to reveal their sources because doing so would probably ensure they never receive any information from them ever again, and depending on the source's role, could see that role jeopardised.

[St Marco]

Nobody with any sense is going to reveal their sources .

 

I'd put money on it being Nick Illingsworth

[Turkish]

Im still waiting to come up with a positive rumour or an account of an ex player or employee to Come out and say what a great guy Cortese is. Or for that matter an example of what a great businessman Cortese is. I'm truly stunned not one ex player has come out say Le Tissier is wrong. Or an ex employee and I know personally a few read this site, haven't posted about how much they loved working there and what a great boss he is to work for. Not one account or rumour, not a single person.

[Turkish]

I'd put money on it being Nick Illingsworth

 

Whilst Nick would have every right to afterthe way hes been treated he has already said on the UI he hasn't spoken to the mail and he bit about him was done and dusted two years ago and was also in the public domain. So put your money on someone else sunshine.

[Matthew Le God]

Im still waiting to come up with a positive rumour or an account of an ex player or employee to Come out and say what a great guy Cortese is. Or for that matter an example of what a great businessman Cortese is. I'm truly stunned not one ex player has come out say Le Tissier is wrong. Or an ex employee and I know personally a few read this site, haven't posted about how much they loved working there and what a great boss he is to work for. Not one account or rumour, not a single person.

 

Have you considered that doesn't make for an interesting story to sell papers?

[Turkish]

Have you considered that doesn't make for an interesting story to sell papers?

 

I'm not talking about newspapers Matthew le wrong. I asked people to share their accounts and rumours of positive tales. Not one has come forward yet. Not even Franks Cousin could come up with one, instead resorting to the usual of saying i had an ageda and was being childish.

[St Marco]

How is Gazza getting on out on loan Turkish? Any match reports of how well he has played?

[Turkish]

How is Gazza getting on out on loan Turkish? Any match reports of how well he has played?

 

Listen fella. That was also reported as a done deal the next day in papers so don't shoot the messenger. I guess the Boruc investigation put the brakes on it.

[landford.saint]

If you're after a list of names of people who have provided information as a basis to decide whether you think something posted on an internet forum is reliable or not then you're going to be very disappointed. Writing on a forum or in a newspaper is a completely different kettle of fish to writing an A-Level essay.

 

Nobody with any sense is going to reveal their sources because doing so would probably ensure they never receive any information from them ever again, and depending on the source's role, could see that role jeopardised.

 

No I'm not waiting for a list of names. I'm just saying most of what is written is absolute bo11ocks, rehashed hearsay and innuendo from people trying to look big or ITK. Through experience you know who to trust, and those are very few.

[St Marco]

Listen fella. That was also reported as a done deal the next day in papers so don't shoot the messenger. I guess the Boruc investigation put the brakes on it.

 

Ah but wouldn't that mean the papers get it wrong then?

[Thedelldays]

Listen fella. That was also reported as a done deal the next day in papers so don't shoot the messenger. I guess the Boruc investigation put the brakes on it.

 

Now the investigation is over......?

 

Also, as for being disappointed by names. Why? If so many are so angry and have no employment at SFC... Why not go to the echo and tell us all about the terrible conditions at SFC???

[stevegrant]

Also, as for being disappointed by names. Why? If so many are so angry and have no employment at SFC... Why not go to the echo and tell us all about the terrible conditions at SFC???

The football industry is quite similar to banking here, if you whistleblow or bad-mouth ex-employers publicly, you tend not to get another job within the industry. NDAs are also very common.

[Turkish]

No I'm not waiting for a list of names. I'm just saying most of what is written is absolute bo11ocks, rehashed hearsay and innuendo from people trying to look big or ITK. Through experience you know who to trust, and those are very few.

 

Don't you trust MLT?

[Thedelldays]

The football industry is quite similar to banking here, if you whistleblow or bad-mouth ex-employers publicly, you tend not to get another job within the industry. NDAs are also very common.

 

For every single one of them... They fear coming clean incase they are black balled...all of them.?

 

This is why I can't be sure... Many heave heard from someone but no on has any specifics to say..

 

I bet some of these so called have moved away from football yet why don't they say anything..... Is there anything worth saying and that the gossip is more than any fact?

[shirleysfc]

Well I answered previously, you just chose to ignore it

 

My bad, I missed it.

[Turkish]

Ah but wouldn't that mean the papers get it wrong then?

 

Not if it was a done deal then we pulled the plug on it at the last minute. It does happen you know. Just ask Elliott Ward and Jasper Gorkss.

[shirleysfc]

UNless you can provide names and FACTS then we can ignore this as a rumour!

 

Ok, fine by me.

[St Marco]

Don't you trust MLT?

 

As a footballer 100%. As a business person? Someone who knows how to run a company?

 

Exhibit A

[St Marco]

Not if it was a done deal then we pulled the plug on it at the last minute. It does happen you know. Just ask Elliott Ward and Jasper Gorkss.

 

But didn't Blackmore say it was complete ********? Think I believe him to be honest seeing as he has access to the people in the club.

[Dig Dig]

But didn't Blackmore say it was complete ********? Think I believe him to be honest seeing as he has access to the people in the club.

 

His sources aren't as good as Turkish's sources.

[shurlock]

Not if it was a done deal then we pulled the plug on it at the last minute. It does happen you know. Just ask Elliott Ward and Jasper Gorkss.

 

Or the top-class international CB that in a single stroke could have solved our defensive problems....

[shirleysfc]

Im still waiting to come up with a positive rumour or an account of an ex player or employee to Come out and say what a great guy Cortese is. Or for that matter an example of what a great businessman Cortese is. I'm truly stunned not one ex player has come out say Le Tissier is wrong. Or an ex employee and I know personally a few read this site, haven't posted about how much they loved working there and what a great boss he is to work for. Not one account or rumour, not a single person.

 

A lot of people were impressed with how he handled the sale of AOC.

[Wes Tender]

All of the parties that have been affected by Cortese, the echo, Illingsworth, Le tissier, Benali, Lawre Mac, programme sellers, ex staff etc cant all be wrong.

 

Only a matter of time before the Cortese bubble bursts in my opinion...

 

Why can't they all be wrong? What is it that they would be right about? History shows that the majority of the population of a supposedly civilised country can be wrong. And if somebody upsets somebody else or makes an enemy of them, who is right and who is wrong among them?

 

More pertinently you might have suggested that there is no smoke without fire, but it's far more difficult without concrete evidence and hearing the viewpoints of both sides to asssess the rights and wrongs of a situation such as this. The only comment from Cortese if I recall it correctly was along the lines that there were dark forces within the club with an agenda to destabilise it. Did he mean any of those you mention?

[Sour Mash]

Why can't they all be wrong? What is it that they would be right about? History shows that the majority of the population of a supposedly civilised country can be wrong. And if somebody upsets somebody else or makes an enemy of them, who is right and who is wrong among them?

 

More pertinently you might have suggested that there is no smoke without fire, but it's far more difficult without concrete evidence and hearing the viewpoints of both sides to asssess the rights and wrongs of a situation such as this. The only comment from Cortese if I recall it correctly was along the lines that there were dark forces within the club with an agenda to destabilise it. Did he mean any of those you mention?

Yes, excellent post, it's been known for quite a while by those genuinely ITK that the Programme sellers were working covertly to destabilise the club, thank f**k NC has managed to finally get rid of them.

[Big Bad Bob]

For every single one of them... They fear coming clean incase they are black balled...all of them.?

 

This is why I can't be sure... Many heave heard from someone but no on has any specifics to say..

 

I bet some of these so called have moved away from football yet why don't they say anything..... Is there anything worth saying and that the gossip is more than any fact?

 

I lost a job and the company gave me a pay out and asked me to sign a NDA (apart from it was called something else). They also paid for me to see a lawyer in case I wanted to sue them for unfair dismissal.

 

Had I not signed the NDA then I wouldn't have got the bribe, sorry, pay out.

 

As it stood I had a slightly better than 50% chance of winning a court case so was recommended to take the offer on the table.

 

Anyway, part of the NDA is that I am not allowed to discuss the reasons behind me leaving nor bad mouth the company (in public).

 

I work in a different sector now but I still keep schtum!!

[Turkish]

As a footballer 100%. As a business person? Someone who knows how to run a company?

 

Exhibit A

 

What about as a bloke? Unless of course you dont believe he has the best interests of the club at heart?

[Turkish]

For every single one of them... They fear coming clean incase they are black balled...all of them.?

 

This is why I can't be sure... Many heave heard from someone but no on has any specifics to say..

 

I bet some of these so called have moved away from football yet why don't they say anything..... Is there anything worth saying and that the gossip is more than any fact?

 

If it helps Jamie i personally know 3 people that have left SFC since NC arrived. So it's stuff i've heard first hand and no, im not going to mention their names. It's all just rumours though

[CB Fry]

Yes, excellent post, it's been known for quite a while by those genuinely ITK that the Programme sellers were working covertly to destabilise the club, thank f**k NC has managed to finally get rid of them.

 

 

It's not like Wes Tender to be pathetically, embarrassingly wrong about something. Oh, sorry. It is.

[doddisalegend]

All of the parties that have been affected by Cortese, the echo, Illingsworth, Le tissier, Benali, Lawre Mac, programme sellers, ex staff etc cant all be wrong.

 

Only a matter of time before the Cortese bubble bursts in my opinion...

 

It will be interesting to see how people (especally the very pro NC) on here react if NC decides to get rid of Nigel......

[St Marco]

What about as a bloke? Unless of course you dont believe he has the best interests of the club at heart?

 

As a bloke I have only ever met him once. Based on that he is a top guy as it was at a charity golf event my company attended. However I know people who have met him and they have said he seemed a bit childish. He is no angel and he admitted he fixed games don't forget. Point being everyone has negative things about them, even you.

 

Based on the way he has acted recently I don't think it was right nor wise of him to come out and keep bashing Cortese. Especially with cryptic messages on twitter about how we will all know one day. Well why not grow a pair and come out and say it now? What is stopping him? Has Cortese come out and actually said anything about MLT? As far as I can tell he has kept it behind closed doors. And in my opinion that is where that kind of stuff should stay. As a FAN do I care that MLT and Cortese don't get on? Not at all. Do I care that there is a dispute between Benali and Cortese abut some unpaid bill? Not at all. Do I care that Nick Illingsworth had his ticket removed and given a refund? Not at all, at least he got a refund which is more then we got when we went to a Illingsworth event...Do any of these things have an impact on the club and its progression? Not at all.

 

As a FAN I just want my club to do well and to not charge me so much to see them play. We have gone from -10 in league one with a shell of a club to sitting in the pl after 2 back to back promotions. Based on that does that mean the way Cortese runs the club is working? Would other clubs love to trade positions with is? How many would trade their chairman for ours? I imagine Bournemouth fans would in a heartbeat!

 

Who Cortese likes or dislikes is nothing to do with us. I imagine if we got a nice chairman who was nice to everyone and run the club that way we would still be in league one and people would be *****ing about something else. Is there really anything to complain about? A couple of results will see us move up the table. Then what? Your say Les Reed did a great job and so did Cortese? Somehow I doubt it....

[St Marco]

If it helps Jamie i personally know 3 people that have left SFC since NC arrived. So it's stuff i've heard first hand and no, im not going to mention their names. It's all just rumours though

 

And I know 2 people who left and 1 who still works there. None have said anything bad, at least not to me.

 

If these people feel so hard done by then why don't they do something about it? As I said earlier why is it everyone seems so afraid to talk out? As you make it sound like there are hundreds and hundreds of them. Why has nobody said anything at all?

 

Because most of it is bull****....

[JRM]

Yes, excellent post, it's been known for quite a while by those genuinely ITK that the Programme sellers were working covertly to destabilise the club, thank f**k NC has managed to finally get rid of them.

 

 

 

maybe they were slipping little notes into peoples programmes to tip them off with info to go back and share on the saints forum?

[Wes Tender]

It's not like Wes Tender to be pathetically, embarrassingly wrong about something. Oh, sorry. It is.

 

It's not like CB Fry to take a part of a post totally out of context in a vain attempt to score cheap points in order to pump up his vanity and ego in the eyes of his toadies. Oh, sorry, it is.

 

The usual pathetic, puerile stuff from him.

[Turkish]

And I know 2 people who left and 1 who still works there. None have said anything bad, at least not to me.

 

If these people feel so hard done by then why don't they do something about it? As I said earlier why is it everyone seems so afraid to talk out? As you make it sound like there are hundreds and hundreds of them. Why has nobody said anything at all?

 

Because most of it is bull****....

 

 

Of course it is Marco, of course it is. All three people lied to me for no reason whatsoever.

[JustMike]

Easy to judge and point fingers when only have one side of any story, be interesting to hear the other

[Turkish]

Easy to judge and point fingers when only have one side of any story, be interesting to hear the other

 

We could do if people were willing to share all the positive rumours and expereinces they have heard from ex players and past and current staff. Im not sure why everyone is keeping them to themselves.