Daily Mail on Cortese

[Turkish]

Indeed.

 

But we have yet to see The Loan Arranger turn round a decline. It might be horrific too.

 

Relegation from the Prem is a hammer blow that is difficult for many to reover from, ask people in Bradford, Sheffield, Nottingham, Derby etc.

 

But Notthingham Forest and Derby are tiny clubs in simialr sized cities to Southampton but with only a 20th of our catchment area, it's no surpise they've take a long time to recover.

[Frank's cousin]

But Notthingham Forest and Derby are tiny clubs in simialr sized cities to Southampton but with only a 20th of our catchment area, it's no surpise they've take a long time to recover.

 

overlooking your usual contribution which is sarcasm... money is what makes a difference as you well know - but even that does not guarrantee anything, yet we went up twice, despite not being IMHO in the best 4 or 5 sides last season - because something was RIGHT about the club. If 'Nick Nack' is is fricken terrible as you enjoy insinuaing, how do you reconcile what has been achieved by saints, where other arguably bigger clubs have failed?

[dubai_phil]

No, he wasnt. But NC hasnt failed yet either (although its looking a bit forlorn at the 'mo)

 

Perhaps its abit of a tangent, but can you shed some light on whether Lowe ever really tried to attract investment/funding, or was he always worried about his power base being diluted ? I still cant forget how he effectively prevented Wilde being on the board after he bought that large tranche of shares.

 

Not that anyone cares now Alps but yes, he did

[Thedelldays]

overlooking your usual contribution which is sarcasm... money is what makes a difference as you well know - but even that does not guarrantee anything' date=' yet we went up twice, despite not being IMHO in the best 4 or 5 sides last season - because something was RIGHT about the club. If 'Nick Nack' is is fricken terrible as you enjoy insinuaing, how do you reconcile what has been achieved by saints, where other arguably bigger clubs have failed?[/quote']

sorry but how can you say we were not one of the best 5 sides....how can you type that when we sat in the top 2 for every minute of every game last season..

that was not a fluke..or one of them runs, or snuck in there at the last min......we were going up..just whether we could hold our nerve..

[Turkish]

overlooking your usual contribution which is sarcasm... money is what makes a difference as you well know - but even that does not guarrantee anything' date=' yet we went up twice, despite not being IMHO in the best 4 or 5 sides last season - because something was RIGHT about the club. If 'Nick Nack' is is fricken terrible as you enjoy insinuaing, how do you reconcile what has been achieved by saints, where other arguably bigger clubs have failed?[/quote']

 

It's great having access to someone elses credit card isn't it?

[alpine_saint]

Indeed.

 

But we have yet to see The Loan Arranger turn round a decline. It might be horrific too.

 

 

Well, we are about to find out....

 

Your name for NC is a bit silly, imo.

[Frank's cousin]

Not that anyone cares now Alps but yes, he did

 

You say no one cares Phil, but I would suggest that the main reason that there are some who dislike NC so much is that he is far more similar to Lowe than many are willing to admit. The only real difference I can see to date, is that NC is not prepared for the club to just be another also ran - he wants to see us climb the league and be more competitive and challenge and is driven by that desire, whether its a naive pipedream or he proves it possible we will need to wait and see, but the similarities are closerr than many think.

[Thedelldays]

It's great having access to someone elses credit card isn't it?

which is the same for most chairman..?

 

apart from abramovic..not many owners actually get involved...and the fella from liverpool

the bloke that owns spurs apparently NEVER goes to games..he lives and watches games from west indies..

[Frank's cousin]

It's great having access to someone elses credit card isn't it?

 

So why did Leicsetr not go up, or that West ham made such a difficulty of it if spend was all there was to it?

[CB Fry]

overlooking your usual contribution which is sarcasm... money is what makes a difference as you well know - but even that does not guarrantee anything' date=' yet we went up twice, despite not being IMHO in the best 4 or 5 sides last season - because something was RIGHT about the club. If 'Nick Nack' is is fricken terrible as you enjoy insinuaing, how do you reconcile what has been achieved by saints, where other arguably bigger clubs have failed?[/quote']

 

We've succeeded where teams like Watford, Burnley, Swansea and Reading have succeeded too. Getting promoted is good but is not that amazing. Especially with the money spent.

[Saint Charlie]

Under Cortese Saints have gone from League 1 to Prem in three years.

 

What a dispicable man. As a 25 year old the last two seasons were the most enjoyable as a Saints fan.

[alpine_saint]

You say no one cares Phil' date=' but I would suggest that the main reason that there are some who dislike NC so much is that he is far more similar to Lowe than many are willing to admit. The only real difference I can see to date, is that NC is not prepared for the club to just be another also ran - he wants to see us climb the league and be more competitive and challenge and is driven by that desire, whether its a naive pipedream or he proves it possible we will need to wait and see, but the similarities are closerr than many think.[/quote']

 

Thats quite a honking big difference, Frank. And dont forget that he also managed to get money into the club. And that he keeps his gob shut and doesnt being out letters from fictitious fans about what a great job hes doing.

 

Because of these differences, people are more inclined to be forgiving of his style.

[tajjuk]

I am still to hear any hard evidence that Cortese is an evil tyrant. All seems to be "according to sources", heresay or MLT's grudge. He appears to me to be nothing other than a focused and driven CEO.

 

 

This really.

 

Good business men aren't 'nice', Saints aren't a 'family' and there should be little room for sentiment. I'm not at all bothered if he's 'not a nice human being.' as long as the club are moving in the right direction which we have, yeh we're undergoing a blip but to be fair to Cortese, the 'hate club' on here have been saying he was going to sack NA weeks ago yet he's still here. I'm sure they will flip this round somehow to to reflect badly on him.

 

Again, what do you want? Names? Stories of people telling how they left the club? Maybe the sun will run an exclusive tomorrow "Corporate Sales manager quits premier league club because of chairman" wow! That will shift a few copies!! Beleive it or not fella, some people who will post on here will know people who work or worked at the club!

 

So? Loads of people don't like their bosses, I'm sure sacked employees are going to give a really balanced view of NC

 

There's literally no evidence that NC is the evil tyrant people make him out to be. Who cares if the media don;t like him? Fergie didn't speak to the BBC for 4 years, I doubt any Man Utd supporters care.

[Frank's cousin]

sorry but how can you say we were not one of the best 5 sides....how can you type that when we sat in the top 2 for every minute of every game last season..

that was not a fluke..or one of them runs, or snuck in there at the last min......we were going up..just whether we could hold our nerve..

 

Its an observation - and opinion based on watching the side - At our best we were unbeatable - but we were not able to maintain that against the better sides - and we struggled at times and were found wanting - Leeds away was lucky, Blackpool away was apalling - but thorugh graft grit, determination and spirit we managed it - my point is that such a team spirit would not have been possible if the club was being run as appallingly as some like to insinuate.

[Saint Garrett]

What successful business men are 'nice people'? You don't get that rich by being a nice bloke and never being ruthless do you!?

[alpine_saint]

Its an observation - and opinion based on watching the side - At our best we were unbeatable - but we were not able to maintain that against the better sides - and we struggled at times and were found wanting - Leeds away was lucky' date=' Blackpool away was apalling - but thorugh graft grit, determination and spirit we managed it - my point is that such a team spirit would not have been possible if the club was being run as appallingly as some like to insinuate.[/quote']

 

Well, I agree with this.

[Frank's cousin]

Thats quite a honking big difference, Frank. And dont forget that he also managed to get money into the club. And that he keeps his gob shut and doesnt being out letters from fictitious fans about what a great job hes doing.

 

Because of these differences, people are more inclined to be forgiving of his style.

 

Thats the point though Alps - Lowe was disliked in most part because was so crap in public... but I am talking about the way the club is set up - the emphasis on youth development to try and avoid having to spend huge sums on players, the wage structure, the desire to be self sustaining etc and if believed the control. Problem to often how someone comes across in public often carries more weight on opinion of them that the stratgey or tactical operations behind the scene

[shurlock]

A slight anti-climax tbh -as I was hoping for word on Adkins flirtation with resignation last season, the black arts used against former managers and players, Fontegate, Currygate, Nick Nack's missing spoons,the toilet bunker, the culture of speak when you're spoken to - not to mention our fishy finances, Guly's mindbending contractual arrangements, Rasputin's reincarnation as Les Reed and the depletion of the world's rope supplies each and every time NA has had his hands tied.

 

And that's just for part 1.

[alpine_saint]

This thread and discussion is a bit of a non sequitur, imo...

[trousers]

Your name for NC is a bit silly, imo.

 

Yeah, but it's underpinning the deflated needle and thread industry in difficult times for the haberdashery sector. Bigger picture Alps.

[alpine_saint]

Thats the point though Alps - Lowe was disliked in most part because was so crap in public... but I am talking about the way the club is set up - the emphasis on youth development to try and avoid having to spend huge sums on players' date=' the wage structure, the desire to be self sustaining etc and if believed the control. Problem to often how someone comes across in public often carries more weight on opinion of them that the stratgey or tactical operations behind the scene[/quote']

 

Frank, you wrote :

 

You say no one cares Phil' date=' but I would suggest that the main reason that there are some who dislike NC so much is that he is far more similar to Lowe than many are willing to admit. [/quote']

 

But the point is, those things that you concede are the reason for the dislkie of Lowe, are totally different with NC - the public demeanor. So I guess I am saying I dont have a clue what you are talking about any more.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You say no one cares Phil' date=' but I would suggest that the main reason that there are some who dislike NC so much is that he is far more similar to Lowe than many are willing to admit. The only real difference I can see to date, is that NC is not prepared for the club to just be another also ran - he wants to see us climb the league and be more competitive and challenge and is driven by that desire, whether its a naive pipedream or he proves it possible we will need to wait and see, but the similarities are closerr than many think.[/quote']

 

I can only agree.

 

But it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the role of being a football club chairman attracts similiar personality types. Looked at purely as businesses, most clubs aren't really very attractive propositions because - even in the Premier League - there's no money to be made from them. The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

It's a crude analysis but perhaps not far from the truth:

 

Nicola Cortese = Rupert Lowe with other peoples money behind him.

[Window Cleaner]

 

Under NC we have achieved things that Rupert Lowe could only have dreamed of (though he was more likely to dream about sizeable share dividends anyway).

 

Really, strange that, I remember us winning the odd game or two in the Lowe era, maybe even finishing in the PL top half and getting to a Cup Final. We've done very little to crow about under Cortese given that we have spent more money and racked up more debt than Lowe would ever dream about, apart from SMS that is.

Edited 9 November, 2012 by Window Cleaner

[CB Fry]

I can only agree.

 

But it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the role of being a football club chairman attracts similiar personality types. Looked at purely as businesses, most clubs aren't really very attractive propositions because - even in the Premier League - there's no money to be made from them. The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

It's a crude analysis but perhaps not far from the truth:

 

Nicola Cortese = Rupert Lowe with other peoples money behind him.

 

Bang on.

[dubai_phil]

You say no one cares Phil' date=' but I would suggest that the main reason that there are some who dislike NC so much is that he is far more similar to Lowe than many are willing to admit. The only real difference I can see to date, is that NC is not prepared for the club to just be another also ran - he wants to see us climb the league and be more competitive and challenge and is driven by that desire, whether its a naive pipedream or he proves it possible we will need to wait and see, but the similarities are closerr than many think.[/quote']

 

Are you a Journalist Frank?

 

What I said was in reply to a question posed by Alps Did Lowe ever try and get investment? My answer was yes he did but who cares NOW.

 

Don't you try and turn that around to put words into my mouth that I believe nobody should care about who runs our club or how it is run.

 

Well out of order

[alpine_saint]

I can only agree.

 

But it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the role of being a football club chairman attracts similiar personality types. Looked at purely as businesses, most clubs aren't really very attractive propositions because - even in the Premier League - there's no money to be made from them. The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

It's a crude analysis but perhaps not far from the truth:

 

Nicola Cortese = Rupert Lowe with other peoples money behind him.

 

Deeply unfair, and totally impossible to prove either way since Lowe didnt attract a dime of investment.

[Ivan Oar]

The article smacks of the type of journalism we were used to after Rupert Lowe left. The fact of the matter is, the club was in a poor state when Liebherr and Cortese took over. "Old boys" like MLT had it great. Things had to change. Everyone who has a job at the club should be thankfull we don't have that MLT-led consortium (was it Fialka?) running the ship or I can guarantee we wouldn't be where we are now and they probably wouldn't have a job at the club. Yes, we're bottom but 2/3 years ago we would never have dreamed of being in the EPL now. If we go down, so what? We can rebuild and come back stronger. I say NC should sign Adkins up on a 5 year contract and be done with it. We're only 3 years into a 5 year plan to be in the EPL - ahead of the curve. I hope we can hold onto NC for a very long time. And BTW, MLT is a saints legend in my eyes but he needs to take a leaf from Mr Corteses book and keep quiet.

[Frank's cousin]

Are you a Journalist Frank?

 

What I said was in reply to a question posed by Alps Did Lowe ever try and get investment? My answer was yes he did but who cares NOW.

 

Don't you try and turn that around to put words into my mouth that I believe nobody should care about who runs our club or how it is run.

 

Well out of order

 

? confused DP - was not putting any words in your Gub matey - not sure how you see that.... - you made a point that no one cares now about Lowe's attempts at cash injection/investmnet etc - which is true and valid - I merely suggested that this maybe part of the reason why there is dislike for NC is that some are uncomfortable with the similarities between the two as a follow on point...so dont get your chastising comment? FMDP burn yor toast this morning?

[shurlock]

I can only agree.

 

But it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the role of being a football club chairman attracts similiar personality types. Looked at purely as businesses, most clubs aren't really very attractive propositions because - even in the Premier League - there's no money to be made from them. The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

It's a crude analysis but perhaps not far from the truth:

 

 

Nicola Cortese = Rupert Lowe with other peoples money behind him.

 

Very odd. Basking in the limelight usually means enjoying publicity...and NA's actively shunned the media and the wider world.

 

A simpler explanation might be the active chance to build something where success and failure are clearly defined and the consequences of your efforts are widely felt. Most people do jobs where they wouldn't know either way whether they really made a difference or areable to see the fruits of their labours. Throw in your average bloke's repressed sporting fantasies -and you can see why buying and running a football club might be an attractive proposition.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

No, he wasnt. But NC hasnt failed yet either (although its looking a bit forlorn at the 'mo)

 

Perhaps its abit of a tangent, but can you shed some light on whether Lowe ever really tried to attract investment/funding, or was he always worried about his power base being diluted ? I still cant forget how he effectively prevented Wilde being on the board after he bought that large tranche of shares.

 

I think Lowe probably did try and attract investment, he was no mug and would have realised the way football was going he or the club were never going to be able to compete on a level playing field even with the move to SMS. And he also realised Wilde could only just about afford the shares and had nothing left by way of significant funds to invest. Lowe did a reasonable job at first but unfortunately started dabbling in pure football matters which is where we all became unstuck. If the many rumours that are circulating have some truth in them, then what we have now is a little bit of history is repeating itself.

[Frank's cousin]

Frank, you wrote :

 

 

 

But the point is, those things that you concede are the reason for the dislkie of Lowe, are totally different with NC - the public demeanor. So I guess I am saying I dont have a clue what you are talking about any more.

 

Sorry Alps for any confusion - the two points were seperate; 1) its possible people dislike NC because when you look PAST the public face and compare the business strategies and operations, there are more similarities than differences - maybe makes some uncomfortable, depsite it being clear that NC is obviously ambitious and demanding of on the field success - some see it as naivity - I see it as a wonderful naiviety, a positive thing, sure we may fail, it may be unrealistic, but far better to have positive dreams than Lowe's acceptance of medicocrity. 2) When people judge individuals, its often done by looking at the public face, rather than digging deaper into the important things - what is the strategy, operational effectiveness etc - eg teh things that matter - where Lowe and NC are far more simililar - its why some hated Lowe yet seem comfortable with NC... despite the similarities in approach

[dubai_phil]

? confused DP - was not putting any words in your Gub matey - not sure how you see that.... - you made a point that no one cares now about Lowe's attempts at cash injection/investmnet etc - which is true and valid - I merely suggested that this maybe part of the reason why there is dislike for NC is that some are uncomfortable with the similarities between the two as a follow on point...so dont get your chastising comment? FMDP burn yor toast this morning?

 

Am rushing to get to an all day Beach Party at Atlantis with free beer, The Stereophonics, Leftfield, Krafty Kuts & Benny Benassi and about 3,000 bikini clad ladies.

 

Have a nice day.

 

:

[dubai_phil]

Sorry Alps for any confusion - the two points were seperate; 1) its possible people dislike NC because when you look PAST the public face and compare the business strategies and operations' date=' there are more similarities than differences - maybe makes some uncomfortable, depsite it being clear that NC is obviously ambitious and demanding of on the field success - some see it as naivity - I see it as a wonderful naiviety, a positive thing, sure we may fail, it may be unrealistic, but far better to have positive dreams than Lowe's acceptance of medicocrity. 2) When people judge individuals, its often done by looking at the public face, rather than digging deaper into the important things - what is the strategy, operational effectiveness etc - eg teh things that matter - where Lowe and NC are far more simililar - its why some hated Lowe yet seem comfortable with NC... despite the similarities in approach[/quote']

 

Maybe NC simply found Ruperts' business plan tucked away in a desk drawer?

 

Beach Time Byeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[alpine_saint]

Sorry Alps for any confusion - the two points were seperate; 1) its possible people dislike NC because when you look PAST the public face and compare the business strategies and operations' date=' there are more similarities than differences - maybe makes some uncomfortable, depsite it being clear that NC is obviously ambitious and demanding of on the field success - some see it as naivity - I see it as a wonderful naiviety, a positive thing, sure we may fail, it may be unrealistic, but far better to have positive dreams than Lowe's acceptance of medicocrity. 2) When people judge individuals, its often done by looking at the public face, rather than digging deaper into the important things - what is the strategy, operational effectiveness etc - eg teh things that matter - where Lowe and NC are far more simililar - its why some hated Lowe yet seem comfortable with NC... despite the similarities in approach[/quote']

 

Hmm, I dont really believe people are looking at NCs business strategy and operations and deciding they dislike him because some of them are similar to Lowes (besides, they are NOT identical, it was clear Lowe viewed home-growing players in a decent Academy as a source of revenue; for me although it is not really clear, it seems NC wants them to play for Saints rather than have to buy-in. Perhaps a small, but for me a critical distinction)

[oldsarum]

The article smacks of the type of journalism we were used to after Rupert Lowe left. The fact of the matter is, the club was in a poor state when Liebherr and Cortese took over. "Old boys" like MLT had it great. Things had to change. Everyone who has a job at the club should be thankfull we don't have that MLT-led consortium (was it Fialka?) running the ship or I can guarantee we wouldn't be where we are now and they probably wouldn't have a job at the club. Yes, we're bottom but 2/3 years ago we would never have dreamed of being in the EPL now. If we go down, so what? We can rebuild and come back stronger. I say NC should sign Adkins up on a 5 year contract and be done with it. We're only 3 years into a 5 year plan to be in the EPL - ahead of the curve. I hope we can hold onto NC for a very long time. And BTW, MLT is a saints legend in my eyes but he needs to take a leaf from Mr Corteses book and keep quiet.

 

If you'd been treated badly by someone would you keep quiet or speak out ?

[Halo Stickman]

The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

No, surely Cortese is solely motivated by his heartfelt love for Southampton Football Club?

[Frank's cousin]

If you'd been treated badly by someone would you keep quiet or speak out ?

 

neither - the adult thing is to speak one-to one and sort it out, out side of the media spotlight - if nothing is resolved you move on and let it go, especially if you know taht speaking out in public could harm the very thing you love or divide those that also love it... Its not as if the spat was ever something major that would impact on the success of the club - it was a personal thing... immature behaviour to use media connections to try and get public/fan support for your argument over something like this...

[Frank's cousin]

I can only agree.

 

But it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the role of being a football club chairman attracts similiar personality types. Looked at purely as businesses, most clubs aren't really very attractive propositions because - even in the Premier League - there's no money to be made from them. The high public profile they do offer however is bound to attract egotists who like to bask in the reflective limelight of a winning club.

 

It's a crude analysis but perhaps not far from the truth:

 

Nicola Cortese = Rupert Lowe with other peoples money behind him.

 

True, yet this can be to the advantage of fans - because that ego will only ever be satisfied if their achieve that success - the problem is never ego, or any of the other superficial guff often spouted as important by fans, but whether the 'ego' has the finances, the strategy and ability to deliver that success. So far its our 'ego' has delivered - now we are in a testing time - a new experinec whereeveryone needs to learn fricken fast if that success is not to be haulted. Time will tell, but we cant say its not been a successful few years and that we have not been able to enjoy the rollercoaster.

[Saints foreva]

This article will only make the Cortese lovers chant that cringeworthy chant even louder on Saturday.

[miserableoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/357024/Nigel-Adkins-just-the-man-for-a-tight-spot-

[Frank's cousin]

This article will only make the Cortese lovers chant that cringeworthy chant even louder on Saturday.

 

'Cortese lovers' - next we will have Cortese Luvvies..... like the dark days of few years back - do some of you want that? A

 

All these articles do is divide, which is why there is no value in them and you have to question the motivation behind them. As with his predecessors Cortese is not infallable or without fault, nor will he be able to appeal to all fans all of the time. The only TRUE way anyone can and should be judged is not on his personality, his spats, his opinions, even his approaches or attitude (as we will all have different opinions on those), but on whether the club progress within the caveats of the usual financial restrictions - so far the answer has to be yes to that so far. We cant predict the future and that will play out as it will.... I cant figure out what possible motivation some of you have for encourgaing further divsions and taking sides in spats that are silly and have no baring on the bigger picture...pathetic really

[Turkish]

If its all lies, rumours and journalists with an agenda then surely other clubs would suffer from this as well? Feel free to post examples of other chairman consistently treating clubs legends, staff and fans with such distain. It can't just be us. And whilst your at is maybe post a few examples of the positive impact of Cortese ruthlessness. There must be plenty of examples of this ad well.

 

Interesting not many rumours about people loving working at SFC or players and fans treated well!

Edited 9 November, 2012 by Turkish

[once_bitterne]

If its all lies, rumours and journalists with an agenda then surely other clubs would suffer from this as well? Feel free to post examples of other chairman consistently treating clubs legends, staff and fans with such distain. It can't just be us. And whilst your at is maybe post a few examples of the positive impact of Cortese ruthlessness. There must be plenty of examples of this ad well.

 

Interesting not many rumours about people loving working at SFC or players and fans treated well!

 

West Ham fans don't need the pre-season Bobby Moore Cup when the can have....... The SBO BET Cup!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2014109/West-Ham-drop-Bobby-Moore-Fund-junior-kits.html

[pingwing]

Cortese was pretty nice when I met him at the Sochaux game, quick chat smiles a hand shake before we went off for more veil sausage.

 

I like the club taking a sensible approach towards ex-players and staff who aren't pulling in the right direction, perfectly reasonable to see that some of the downfall of the club is from just not running the place properly for years. Though that probably will upset some people it has to be done for the club to go anywhere.

 

Shame the daily mail have to concentrate so much on the negatives and the concrete facts they have of MLT then push in a lot of conjecture around it to pass it off as fact.

[Colinjb]

A necessary article in my opinion.

 

It is a very effective summary of why he may not be us popular as would be expected for people outside of the club/fans of other clubs.

 

My Coventry/Villa/Forest/Leicester/Plastic supporting co-workers and friends in the midlands are utterly bemused as to why some people wouldn't want him in charge considering the rapid progress the club has made and the investment his relationship with Markus Liebherr produced. My comments about what has happened before have general brought responses of "So-what? look at the league table!"

 

A lot of it is still conjecture, but it's totally clear that Cortese has put a few noses out of joint, not that he should or probably does care. Not all managing directors are personable, it's whether they are successful that matters and for me he has been, 4th year in and we've hit our first sticky patch.... that's life!

[shirleysfc]

If its all lies, rumours and journalists with an agenda then surely other clubs would suffer from this as well? Feel free to post examples of other chairman consistently treating clubs legends, staff and fans with such distain. It can't just be us. And whilst your at is maybe post a few examples of the positive impact of Cortese ruthlessness. There must be plenty of examples of this ad well.

 

Interesting not many rumours about people loving working at SFC or players and fans treated well!

 

hear what you're saying about all the rumours but what do you think it will achieve? Is Cortese going to change his ways? Pretty unlikely. Will the Liebherrs sack him and appoint someone else? Again I'd say that's unlikely. What else will these stories achieve?

 

I'm not saying we should bury our heads in the sand, I just don't know what the end game is.

[Frank's cousin]

If its all lies, rumours and journalists with an agenda then surely other clubs would suffer from this as well? Feel free to post examples of other chairman consistently treating clubs legends, staff and fans with such distain. It can't just be us. And whilst your at is maybe post a few examples of the positive impact of Cortese ruthlessness. There must be plenty of examples of this ad well.

 

Interesting not many rumours about people loving working at SFC or players and fans treated well!

 

I am surprised Turkish that you simply cannot grasp the points, which given your age/mental age you should be able to. If after 3 years we were still languishing in L1, having failed, then you could well use your 'insider knowldge' of deep seated unrest and Cortese being some sort of Stalin as a valid point in suggesting it was a root cause of our failure. But you cant - we have progressed and whilst in your rose tinted 'have your cake and eat it' world it might be nice to think that it should have been achieved whilst keeping everyone in some sort of hedonistically crazed state of smiley ecstasy, the reality is that those who could deliver both are few and far between - if not mythical.

 

So lets forget the past achievments you might say, look at the problems now FFS - well we are struggling on the pitch as ALL at the club are confronted with a steep learning curve - now most rational folk will accept that with the performance to date, the steep learning cureve and the presure that puts everyone under, its bound to be les sthan harmonious - indeed some will use it to drive home their deep seated prejudices and try and divide as its a great oportunity to do so.... others will suggest its at times like this where pulling together and trying to work something out would be better for the club they love, but hey that might sound too rational.

 

Cortese and NA have sat down and the writing may well be on the wall, as no matter what the issues are personality wise, clashes, spats, ultimately it comes down to points and when they dont come, something has to give.

 

Ultimately the spats with ex players, ex employees (and FFS at leats acknowledge that as they are EX employees, they are hardly going to a balanced perspective), are distractions, but they are not part of the bigger and more important picture - this is not trivializing, what appears to be important on a personal level, but its needs to be put in some sort of perspective - which you seem incapable of accepting. The only grip with MLT is that its a shame he cant see the bigger picture either - a club he loves and dedicated his career to, yet he is comfortable in fuelling division over what is a personal issue - which is not in the clubs best interests - which is reflected in your own constant need to undermine NC or others that believe its not in the clubs best interests to do so.

 

You accuse others of having tehir heads in teh sand over this... yet there is nothing to date that suggests whatever is happening at the club, the way its run is causing some sort of melt down as you like to suggest and insinuate...constantly. I suggest if we have our heads in teh sand, then you must have yours well and truely up your arse, because I cant see what you get from all this determination to divide.

[trousers]

I met him at the Sochaux game, quick chat smiles a hand shake before we went off for more veil sausage.

 

Nope, couldn't find that one on euphamisms.com

[The Kraken]

Cortese was pretty nice when I met him at the Sochaux game, quick chat smiles a hand shake before we went off for more veil sausage.

 

I like the club taking a sensible approach towards ex-players and staff who aren't pulling in the right direction, perfectly reasonable to see that some of the downfall of the club is from just not running the place properly for years. Though that probably will upset some people it has to be done for the club to go anywhere.

 

Shame the daily mail have to concentrate so much on the negatives and the concrete facts they have of MLT then push in a lot of conjecture around it to pass it off as fact.

 

Yes, the way its being run now is entirely spot on; debt having to be turned into equity and now a bloody great loan to provide cashflow. Consistently huge losses year on year since takeover and a corporate area about as empty as its ever been; yep, we're being run better than ever before.

[tajjuk]

Yes, the way its being run now is entirely spot on; debt having to be turned into equity and now a bloody great loan to provide cashflow. Consistently huge losses year on year since takeover and a corporate area about as empty as its ever been; yep, we're being run better than ever before.

 

As usual 2+2 = 50.