Nigel to continue as manager

[shirleysfc]

Dont be silly. You've got lots of journalists and rumours all over the place from people in Southampton saying Adkins isn't in full controll. If it was just one or two you can dismiss it, but it's coming from lots of sources.

 

Biefhoff and Paul Allen were both reported by media outlets. To me it sounds like you're picking and choosing which rumours you want to believe.

 

Are you saying Adkins is lying to the fans when he says he's in control.

[Turkish]

Biefhoff and Paul Allen were both reported by media outlets. To me it sounds like you're picking and choosing which rumours you want to believe.

 

Are you saying Adkins is lying to the fans when he says he's in control.

 

I remember the Beirhoff thing as being in the echo. As for the Paul allen thing, who knows? I was told that there was some interest, but it never went further than an enquiry by a senior ex employee, i was also told around the same time by another ex employee not to believe all press rumours as there was a lot of pro club PR being spun to try and attract a buyer. I doubt that any story is completely made up just to fill space, in fact a poster on here who works for a red top and i know personally said that every rumour they print, such as transfer stories do have a valid source, not made up bullsh*t like some like to claim.

 

As i've said numerous journalists AND people with connections in the club are saying that he doesn't havea good relationship with the chairman. Fitzhugh fella posted on saintslist, which was then posted on here, only last week what he knows about it and a journlist tweeted yesterday Adkins works in "intollerable conditions" another article said he has fractious relationship with Cortese. IMO there are too many people saying it is the case for it not to have some substance. Adkins is just doing what every employee would do, do you seriously think he'd tell the media he hates the chairman and they dont get on?

[shirleysfc]

I remember the Beirhoff thing as being in the echo. As for the Paul allen thing, who knows? I was told that there was some interest, but it never went further than an enquiry by a senior ex employee, i was also told around the same time by another ex employee not to believe all press rumours as there was a lot of pro club PR being spun to try and attract a buyer. I doubt that any story is completely made up just to fill space, in fact a poster on here who works for a red top and i know personally said that every rumour they print, such as transfer stories do have a valid source, not made up bullsh*t like some like to claim.

 

As i've said numerous journalists AND people with connections in the club are saying that he doesn't havea good relationship with the chairman. Fitzhugh fella posted on saintslist, which was then posted on here, only last week what he knows about it and a journlist tweeted yesterday Adkins works in "intollerable conditions" another article said he has fractious relationship with Cortese. IMO there are too many people saying it is the case for it not to have some substance. Adkins is just doing what every employee would do, do you seriously think he'd tell the media he hates the chairman and they dont get on?

 

What about the picking the team/formation stuff?

[Turkish]

What about the picking the team/formation stuff?

 

Again, i would expect him to say that.

[shirleysfc]

Again, i would expect him to say that.

 

So you're going to ignore what Adkins says publicly to believe rumours from "sources". Like I said, you're picking and choosing what you want to believe.

 

I don't disbelive Adkins and NC have a bad relationship, Adkins pretty much alluded to this recently in an interview. As for the team/formation stuff, it still seems pretty far fetched to me.

[Turkish]

So you're going to ignore what Adkins says publicly to believe rumours from "sources". Like I said, you're picking and choosing what you want to believe.

 

I don't disbelive Adkins and NC have a bad relationship, Adkins pretty much alluded to this recently in an interview. As for the team/formation stuff, it still seems pretty far fetched to me.

 

Of course i'm picking and choosing what to believe. You cant believe what Adkins says AND the rumours can you?! My view is there is simply too much out there to dismiss it as not being true. If it was one journalist and a post on a mongboard they you could, but it is much, much more than that.

 

My take on it is that Adkins is a nice, intellegent man who wants to keep his job. If he hates Cortese and is being told what to do the sort of person he is he wouldn't come out in the media and say it anyway would? Do you agree with that or not? Or do you think that Nigel is the sort of bloke who would come out and public say he cant stand the chairman, should have made more defensive signings in the summer and he's told to pick Guly in a Holloway type rant?

[ecuk268]

Comparison of the bottom three....

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/07/reading-southampton-qpr-sack-chairmen

[Turkish]

I can see the Saints v QPR game as not only being a relegation 6 pointer but whichever manager loses also loses their job.

[pingwing]

Comparison of the bottom three....

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/07/reading-southampton-qpr-sack-chairmen

 

Interesting article though it seems to present the view that most teams fate is nothing to do with changing the manager or leaving them in (looking at how Wolves and Blackburn did last year).

 

The odd one is Sunderland as they really haven't improved with O'Neill, just stabilised to 17th, not conceding or scoring.

 

Either way the article is still a few weeks early, everything comes down to the results against the teams around us (for all 3 managers).

[stmusicdude]

So you're going to ignore what Adkins says publicly to believe rumours from "sources". Like I said, you're picking and choosing what you want to believe.

 

I don't disbelive Adkins and NC have a bad relationship, Adkins pretty much alluded to this recently in an interview. As for the team/formation stuff, it still seems pretty far fetched to me.

 

No offence, but it's human nature, we all believe what we "choose" to believe & dismiss what we dont agree with.

 

Rare I agree with Turks but I do expect him & others to choose what they believe/accept

[shirleysfc]

Of course i'm picking and choosing what to believe. You cant believe what Adkins says AND the rumours can you?! My view is there is simply too much out there to dismiss it as not being true. If it was one journalist and a post on a mongboard they you could, but it is much, much more than that.

 

My take on it is that Adkins is a nice, intellegent man who wants to keep his job. If he hates Cortese and is being told what to do the sort of person he is he wouldn't come out in the media and say it anyway would? Do you agree with that or not? Or do you think that Nigel is the sort of bloke who would come out and public say he cant stand the chairman, should have made more defensive signings in the summer and he's told to pick Guly in a Holloway type rant?

 

Yes I agree that Adkins is a nice, intelligent man. I've also already said that Adkins, in an Adkins way, has talked about the deterioration of his relationship with NC. However, he couldn't have been any clearer when he said he is in charge of the team/tactics etc.

 

Do you honestly believe he is forced to play Guly?

[Turkish]

Yes I agree that Adkins is a nice, intelligent man. I've also already said that Adkins, in an Adkins way, has talked about the deterioration of his relationship with NC. However, he couldn't have been any clearer when he said he is in charge of the team/tactics etc.

 

Do you honestly believe he is forced to play Guly?

 

I didnt do, but i'm starting to think it might be the case as it's an incredible coincidence that 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go. If he gets at least 15 minutes on saturday im going to think there is something in it.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I didnt do, but i'm starting to think it might be the case as it's an incredible coincidence that 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go. If he gets at least 15 minutes on saturday im going to think there is something in it.

 

Has anyone gone back and looked at if he has ever played less than 15 minutes when fit?

[shirleysfc]

...

[shirleysfc]

I didnt do, but i'm starting to think it might be the case as it's an incredible coincidence that 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go. If he gets at least 15 minutes on saturday im going to think there is something in it.

 

Interesting, I hadn't noticed myself.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I remember the Beirhoff thing as being in the echo. As for the Paul allen thing, who knows? I was told that there was some interest, but it never went further than an enquiry by a senior ex employee, i was also told around the same time by another ex employee not to believe all press rumours as there was a lot of pro club PR being spun to try and attract a buyer. I doubt that any story is completely made up just to fill space, in fact a poster on here who works for a red top and i know personally said that every rumour they print, such as transfer stories do have a valid source, not made up bullsh*t like some like to claim.

 

As i've said numerous journalists AND people with connections in the club are saying that he doesn't havea good relationship with the chairman. Fitzhugh fella posted on saintslist, which was then posted on here, only last week what he knows about it and a journlist tweeted yesterday Adkins works in "intollerable conditions" another article said he has fractious relationship with Cortese. IMO there are too many people saying it is the case for it not to have some substance. Adkins is just doing what every employee would do, do you seriously think he'd tell the media he hates the chairman and they dont get on?

 

Paul Allen was never interested but a guy who had had some dealings with him (Tom Mac) managed to convince Leon Crouch and Lawrie Mac that Allen WAS interested and even managed to take a few bob off them when he said he was trying to seal the deal. The club were basically conned.

[Turkish]

Has anyone gone back and looked at if he has ever played less than 15 minutes when fit?

 

When he hasn't started hes been sub 6 times this season. 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go, once with 23 minutes to go and twice not at all. Although i IIRC i'm pretty sure he had been out injured in the weeks before that so might not have been 100% fit.

 

It's also worth nothing there are rumours that an academy player (not including Lallana) has to be played in every game. This has happened in every game expect the Fulham one where we had to have a defensive reshuffle due to injury. Again i didn't think anything of this until the last two games when i thought the decision to replace the left back with a youth team player when we were chasing the game was a strange one.

Edited 7 November, 2012 by Turkish

[Dig Dig]

Paul Allen was never interested but a guy who had had some dealings with him (Tom Mac) managed to convince Leon Crouch and Lawrie Mac that Allen WAS interested and even managed to take a few bob off them when he said he was trying to seal the deal. The club were basically conned.

 

Are you more or less than 50% sure of this?

[Dig Dig]

When he hasn't started hes been sub 6 times this season. 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go, once with 23 minutes to go and twice not at all. Although i IIRC i'm pretty sure he had been out injured in the weeks before that so might not have been 100% fit.

 

It's also worth nothing there are rumours that an academy player (not including Lallana) has to be played in every game. This has happened in every game expect the Fulham one where we had to have a defensive reshuffle. Again i didn't think anything of this until the last two games when i thought the decision to replace the left back with a youth team player when we were chasing the game was a strange one.

 

Could be that Adkins doesn't rate Fox and IMO it's pretty obvious that he doesn't. The only logical replacements for Fox are academy players at this time.

[DT]

Adkins talking to the media at the training ground at 8am tomorrow morning, Simon Peach just tweeted.

[trousers]

Paul Allen was never interested but a guy who had had some dealings with him (Tom Mac) managed to convince Leon Crouch and Lawrie Mac that Allen WAS interested and even managed to take a few bob off them when he said he was trying to seal the deal. The club were basically conned.

 

One thing I've never understood about those events is why Crouch and/or MacMenemy never sued MacCloughlin for the alleged deception. What's not criminal about obtaining money in this way, not to mention the resulting artificial inflation of the share price? I'd also have expected the stock exchange authorities to be all over it like a rash too. Maybe they were and it was 'dealt with' behind the scenes...?

[Turkish]

Could be that Adkins doesn't rate Fox and IMO it's pretty obvious that he doesn't. The only logical replacements for Fox are academy players at this time.

 

Well he seems to always start him. Seems a bit strange to replace a left back with a kid with 10 minutes to go when we need to score doesn't it?

[Legod Third Coming]

Of course i'm picking and choosing what to believe. You cant believe what Adkins says AND the rumours can you?! My view is there is simply too much out there to dismiss it as not being true. If it was one journalist and a post on a mongboard they you could, but it is much, much more than that.

 

My take on it is that Adkins is a nice, intellegent man who wants to keep his job. If he hates Cortese and is being told what to do the sort of person he is he wouldn't come out in the media and say it anyway would? Do you agree with that or not? Or do you think that Nigel is the sort of bloke who would come out and public say he cant stand the chairman, should have made more defensive signings in the summer and he's told to pick Guly in a Holloway type rant?

 

The way Adkins dealt with being tapped up originally and his insistence on being fair to S****horpe, and every single thing I have heard and seen since (EVERY SINGLE THING) tells me that Nigel Adkins is a man of principle. If you think he would take team selection from a Chairman, I suggest you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

One thing I've never understood about those events is why Crouch and/or MacMenemy never sued MacCloughlin for the alleged deception. What's not criminal about obtaining money in this way, not to mention the resulting artificial inflation of the share price? I'd also have expected the stock exchange authorities to be all over it like a rash too. Maybe they were and it was 'dealt with' behind the scenes...?

 

 

They considered going to the police but MacCloughlin got very nasty and threatening and they just didn't want the trouble or publicity, plus they were still hoping that maybe Tom Mac would land Allen.

[shurlock]

When he hasn't started hes been sub 6 times this season. 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go, once with 23 minutes to go and twice not at all. Although i IIRC i'm pretty sure he had been out injured in the weeks before that so might not have been 100% fit.

 

It's also worth nothing there are rumours that an academy player (not including Lallana) has to be played in every game. This has happened in every game expect the Fulham one where we had to have a defensive reshuffle due to injury. Again i didn't think anything of this until the last two games when i thought the decision to replace the left back with a youth team player when we were chasing the game was a strange one.

 

Guly hasn't been injured this season. He was left out of the squad after his DD incident and then returned to the bench.

What happened to your Guly has-to-start-every-game rumour - was there a contractual renegotiation over the summer or an automatic clause kicked in on promotion?

[trousers]

Adkins talking to the media at the training ground at 8am tomorrow morning, Simon Peach just tweeted.

 

Seems a bit odd given Thursday is the normal press conference day anyway. Wonder why so early...?

[shirleysfc]

When he hasn't started hes been sub 6 times this season. 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go, once with 23 minutes to go and twice not at all. Although i IIRC i'm pretty sure he had been out injured in the weeks before that so might not have been 100% fit.

 

It's also worth nothing there are rumours that an academy player (not including Lallana) has to be played in every game. This has happened in every game expect the Fulham one where we had to have a defensive reshuffle due to injury. Again i didn't think anything of this until the last two games when i thought the decision to replace the left back with a youth team player when we were chasing the game was a strange one.

 

At the risk of turning into MLG... according to the BBC Sport website:

 

Man City: Guly starts, subs on 55, 65, 86

Wigan: Guly starts, subs on 76 and 75

Stevenage: No Guly but Reeves came on after 77 mins

Man Utd: Guly has come on with exactly 15 mins - two other changes were made in a 4 minute spell

Arsenal: No Guly(injured??), subs on 28, 45, 76

Villa: Guly stays on bench, subs made 74, 79

Sheff Wed: Guly starts (but gets subbed), subs made 71, 81, 85

Everton: Guly stays on the bench. Subs made 81, 81, 90.

Fulham: Guly on 67, other subs 8, 61

West Ham: Guly starts, subs 65, 65, 89

Spurs: Guly on 78, Reeves 79

Leeds: Guly starts, subs on 67 (x2)

WBA: Guly on 76, same time as Mayuka.

 

For me it's just another conspiracy theory. Adkins likes making changes around the 75 min mark, a few times it's been Guly. Mayuka has come on around the 75 min mark twice, is Adkins forced to play him too?

[mack rill]

Adkins talking to the media at the training ground at 8am tomorrow morning, Simon Peach just tweeted.

 

Walking the mile Boss! Walking the green mile,

 

ps do i send flowers to the co,op or a (top cat) donation to the soon to be deceased charity of his choosing,

[shirleysfc]

Well he seems to always start him. Seems a bit strange to replace a left back with a kid with 10 minutes to go when we need to score doesn't it?

 

Yep. I can only assume he was "blooding" him. Strange time to do it though.

[shirleysfc]

Walking the mile Boss! Walking the green mile,

 

ps do i send flowers to the co,op or a (top cat) donation to the soon to be deceased charity of his choosing,

 

I'd save the funeral wreath for your own club!

[Legod Third Coming]

I'd save the funeral wreath for your own club!

 

Then the florist would just be another creditor, alongside all the charities and small businesses...

[aintforever]

When he hasn't started hes been sub 6 times this season. 3 times he's come on with exactly 15 minutes to go, once with 23 minutes to go and twice not at all. Although i IIRC i'm pretty sure he had been out injured in the weeks before that so might not have been 100% fit.

 

It's also worth nothing there are rumours that an academy player (not including Lallana) has to be played in every game. This has happened in every game expect the Fulham one where we had to have a defensive reshuffle due to injury. Again i didn't think anything of this until the last two games when i thought the decision to replace the left back with a youth team player when we were chasing the game was a strange one.

 

So what you are saying is that whilst looking to spend £7mill on Jay Rod, £12mill on Ramirez and £4mill on Mayuka, Cortese was handing out a guaranteed to play contract to the sh!ttest striker in the squad?

 

Guly must have a good agent!

[Legod Third Coming]

so what you are saying is that whilst looking to spend £7mill on jay rod, £12mill on ramirez and £4mill on mayuka, cortese was handing out a guaranteed to play contract to the sh!ttest striker in the squad?

 

Guly must have a good agent!

 

lol!

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

Cortesi trusts Adkins and even likes him according to Ben Smith @ BBC Sport

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20237630

 

I feel so much more reassured now

[Convict Colony]

I know wrong thread but I couldnt find the most appropriate but I reckon this dude could help in the CB zone>

 

Raul Albiol (centre-back, Real Madrid) - He doesn't start for Real and if QPR can get that other numpty surely we can get a ball playing centre back.

 

Albiol is an accomplished centre-back who has made regular appearances for world and European champions Spain.

[Turkish]

Guly hasn't been injured this season. He was left out of the squad after his DD incident and then returned to the bench.

What happened to your Guly has-to-start-every-game rumour - was there a contractual renegotiation over the summer or an automatic clause kicked in on promotion?

 

I never said anything about Guly starting every game. Maybe it was around the time of his drink driving and him paying for it meant he wasn't going to get his guarenteed 15 minutes a week minimum!!!

[Turkish]

So what you are saying is that whilst looking to spend £7mill on Jay Rod, £12mill on Ramirez and £4mill on Mayuka, Cortese was handing out a guaranteed to play contract to the sh!ttest striker in the squad?

 

Guly must have a good agent!

 

Or Cortese rates him as he was afterall, his signing?!

[shurlock]

I never said anything about Guly starting every game. Maybe it was around the time of his drink driving and him paying for it meant he wasn't going to get his guarenteed 15 minutes a week minimum!!!

 

I thought that was the blag last season?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I know wrong thread but I couldnt find the most appropriate but I reckon this dude could help in the CB zone>

 

Raul Albiol (centre-back, Real Madrid) - He doesn't start for Real and if QPR can get that other numpty surely we can get a ball playing centre back.

 

Albiol is an accomplished centre-back who has made regular appearances for world and European champions Spain.

 

Wow, you mean the ex Valencia player that cost nearly 30 million Euro's? Are you joking?

[Convict Colony]

Wow didn't know he cost that much thanks, Real Madrid got f88king robbed paying that much and he isn't considered better than Ramos or Pepe !!!

 

loan only please.

[Turkish]

I thought that was the blag last season?

 

Not from me it wasn't.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Wow didn't know he cost that much thanks, Real Madrid got f88king robbed paying that much and he isn't considered better than Ramos or Pepe !!!

 

loan only please.

 

I *think* he cost £22m, so nearon €30m. He is a class CB, but can't see us being able to get him here. Granero for QPR came through the Youth system I believe, so I don't think it's a big issue that they get big money for him.

[Convict Colony]

Sorry Dibden I had to check and apparently he "only" cost 15mil which before this summer was way out of our league so point taken.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Albiol

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Sorry Dibden I had to check and apparently he "only" cost 15mil which before this summer was way out of our league so point taken.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Albiol

 

No worries, I certainly don't remember every transfer that goes on in full detail

 

I think a player like Simon Kjaer is more within our grasp, but I can't remember if he moved from Germany in the end in the Summer.

[Convict Colony]

Whatever happened to Phillippe Mexes was he playing for AC Milan cos him and Kjaer were rated as the next big things who haven't really delivered on the early promise.

 

In an ideal world we would have a brute as 1 CB and 1 cultured ball playing one as the other but beggars can't be choosers at the moment so i just want a clean sheet next game.

 

I know it was suggested elsewhere before but Alderweireld from Ajax sounds just the ticket for us. Did he play v City last night ?

[pingwing]

I know it was suggested elsewhere before but Alderweireld from Ajax sounds just the ticket for us. Did he play v City last night ?

 

Yep played against city, doubt we'll beat spurs or one of the top teams to his signature though (agent was in the paper last week drumming up interest from the prem and best part of 3/4's including us apparently are interested)

[skintsaint]

Whatever happened to Phillippe Mexes

 

He is still at Milan and played for France in the last Euros...lol

Edited 7 November, 2012 by skintsaint

[Convict Colony]

Spurs will become our feeder team FACT.

 

I've always just wanted to say FACT after a statement, don't think it wil happen though

[hypochondriac]

He is still at Milan and played for France in the last Euros...lol

 

He was a beast on championship manager 3. Him and Alex Farnerud were gods.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20237630

 

Interesting article on the Beeb. Of particular note is where they say Cortese is close to NA as he "trusts him and likes him". Contradicts a lot of what is said on here although there's no mention the warmth is reciprocated by NA...