Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 We can point to the appointments of Ball, Hoddle and Strachan as examples of getting out of the mire when we were up sh*t street under Branfoot, Jones and Gray. Not disagreeing with you. Just don't believe the only reason Cortese kept Nigel this week is because we don't have a replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Perhaps. But you would hope that if we did make a change, first we would be more attractive than Wolves, and second we would not pick someone worse Wolves hardly picked someone worse they were stuck with him becuase they hadn't got a replacement lined up first. It would be like us sacking Nigel and having to have Wilkins or Hunter in charge for the rest of the season.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Reading the varying press reports of yesterday's meeting and trying to make sense of what is being said between the lines I would say NA is now on borrowed time and the only delay is that NC has no one lined up. This is worrying in itself but even more worrying is the mention of Di Canio - that truly would be a disaster of titanic proportions if only because of his extreme politics. Exactly this. Even if we won our next 3 games I still wouldn't expect NA to be retained and I think it's more a lack of replacement than anything else holding NC back. Adkins time is up and he knows it to - shame really. As for PDC, I would give him a month tops before he is sacked, has a fight, walks out or any other combination of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Ok I bow down to your better knowledge. No club every fires a manager (having decided he has to go) and then chooses a new guy and installs him one week, two, or three later What are you on about? I didn't say it never happens, you're the one that says a Manager is never kept on until a replacement is found. Lets say, hypothetically, that Cortese wanted to sack Adkins 3 weeks ago. He had decided that the results weren't good enough as he was aiming for Europe. However, after having his fingers burnt with the Pardew situation a few years earlier, he has decided that it is better to keep him on and not de-stabilise the club too much whilst he searches for a new Manager. I never said that Managers aren't sacked like that, but when form is bad (and form is something dictated by time and results) owners will start looking at what can be done. They don't just suddenly decide from one result that the Manager has to go, and there has usually been discussions going on as to who they can replace him with. Surely you can see that? The only reason someone would make a snap decision like that would be for gross misconduct, for instance Delio Rossi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 What are you on about? I didn't say it never happens, you're the one that says a Manager is never kept on until a replacement is found. Lets say, hypothetically, that Cortese wanted to sack Adkins 3 weeks ago. He had decided that the results weren't good enough as he was aiming for Europe. However, after having his fingers burnt with the Pardew situation a few years earlier, he has decided that it is better to keep him on and not de-stabilise the club too much whilst he searches for a new Manager. I never said that Managers aren't sacked like that, but when form is bad (and form is something dictated by time and results) owners will start looking at what can be done. They don't just suddenly decide from one result that the Manager has to go, and there has usually been discussions going on as to who they can replace him with. Surely you can see that? The only reason someone would make a snap decision like that would be for gross misconduct, for instance Delio Rossi. Of course i accept decisions to fire managers are not made overnight, they are usually based on a string of poor performances. But whatever the risk of installing a rubbish interim person, is it really more stabilising to keep a manager when you have concluded all is lost/ he cant turn it around, and carry on losing games and having morale sapped among players and supporters, with speculation and media interest going off the chart, while you take your time to consider a replacement? There are managers around who are out of work, who can start immediately. If Cortese thinks as you suggest, what happens if we beat Swansea and QPR and morale improves, does he still fire him no matter what? Tricky position to keep someone in the role if he has 100% decided to replace him soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Remember the Pardew saga? All sorts of rumours going round he was about to be sacked, a meeting to place, reports pardew was safe and then suddenly he's sacked a couple of weeks into the season. Thats because initially Pardew was sacked only for NC to change his mind hours later. This has come from someone who was in the room when it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Can anyone remember a previous occasion when the chairman sacked a Saints manager against the wishes of the majority of fans? I suppose you could say Souness was a kind of constructive dismissal, but other than that I can only think of Dave Merrington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Of course i accept decisions to fire managers are not made overnight, they are usually based on a string of poor performances. But whatever the risk of installing a rubbish interim person, is it really more stabilising to keep a manager when you have concluded all is lost/ he cant turn it around, and carry on losing games and having morale sapped among players and supporters, with speculation and media interest going off the chart, while you take your time to consider a replacement? There are managers around who are out of work, who can start immediately. If Cortese thinks as you suggest, what happens if we beat Swansea and QPR and morale improves, does he still fire him no matter what? Tricky position to keep someone in the role if he has 100% decided to replace him soon What managers that are out of work currently would this be then? I don't believe he'd go for Redknapp, he knows the history of the club, so who out of work is currently an upgrade? I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but in my opinion he will be sacked whatever now, and will be replaced pretty much instantaneously (within a week). I can't believe NC would make the same mistake twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Can anyone remember a previous occasion when the chairman sacked a Saints manager against the wishes of the majority of fans? I suppose you could say Souness was a kind of constructive dismissal, but other than that I can only think of Dave Merrington Pardew was against the fans wishes. Chris Nicholl was a strange one, the fans wanted him gone but looking back he actaully did a very good job under the circumstances. I always remember Nicholls comments on his sacking, "it's not from faliure but failure to bring success" Nicholl Out, Branfoot in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Can anyone remember a previous occasion when the chairman sacked a Saints manager against the wishes of the majority of fans? I suppose you could say Souness was a kind of constructive dismissal, but other than that I can only think of Dave Merrington Nigel Pearson in some kind of way? His contract wasn't extended, though most fans wanted him to stay. Pleased that Cortese is supporting Nigel, but he and the players have to improve their performances! And like said before, we need to improve the backroom staff with new experienced coaches to assist Nigel and Crosby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 How come winless clubs QPR and Reading are out of the spotlight regarding new managers ? McDermott, Hughes and even Lambert must be relieved Adkins is taking all the ****e from the cheap press who as usual are looking for a non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Well, I wasn't going to go on Saturday (I have work) but feck it, I'm going to move that to Sunday and go and support Nigel. Whatever you think about his tactics and selection, the bloke DESERVES your support while he is still there. And who knows, he might yet do a Ferguson. I hope he does. He's earned the right to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Not really up for debating what will happen, too many think their opinion of the future is fact. But hypothetically, if form (look in the dictionary) improved, is it possible that some posters would learn from it? A lot seem to state Adkins is out of his depth as if this is some proven factor. You point out that countless decent managers could have been sacked for poor periods and they think you're saying 'he'll turn it round'. Then they make out they're right when there's another defeat and see how many times they can use the word deluded in a post. Adkins may succeed or fail. I'm not one of the many expert posters with a time machine. Doesn't change the fact that many talented managers would have been sacked, including Ferguson, Wengers, Moyes if the current attitude was taken. Again, I feel the need to state the obvious that I'm not saying Adkins is one of these top managers, there's no way of knowing that yet. Only certaintly is this ridiculous reactionary short-term ungrateful petulant attitude will see good managers sacked if clubs keep doing it. Sooner or later you have to show a little common sense, patience and humility and stick with someone through rough patches rather than throwing your toys out of the pram and into the face of those that bought you the fcking pram. Well said sir. Good article here. http://the4thofficial.co.uk/2012/11/07/can-saints-climb-up-the-league/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=can-saints-climb-up-the-league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Assuming the reports of a "meeting" are true, it's a pretty solid signal of intent in Nige - for no other reason than the fixture list - if they were planning on bringing anyone in, now would be the time to do it with the fixtures getting (theoretically) much easier between now and Xmas. As it is, with all the tricky stuff behind us and a reasonable expectation that we'll start to pick up points, the next few weeks are REALLY going to heap on the pressure if we don't come out with at least 7 points from the next 4 matches. So far I've given Adkins the benefit of the doubt as I think the squad is not one of the worst 3 in the division, and we've been playing almost exclusively the top half sides, making our chances of success that much lower. If we persist with this form into the matches where we HAVE to get results then Adkins will be very lucky to be the one who gets to spend money on defenders in January. Basically I'm just hopeful that our tangibly error-prone defenders aren't given as many chances to mess up against the worse teams, or that we can hold together two successive halves of West Ham first half / Spurs second half competence a bit more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 What managers that are out of work currently would this be then? I don't believe he'd go for Redknapp, he knows the history of the club, so who out of work is currently an upgrade? I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but in my opinion he will be sacked whatever now, and will be replaced pretty much instantaneously (within a week). I can't believe NC would make the same mistake twice. Ok thanks. There are plenty of managers out of work but as soon I start naming any,these will be picked on as if I am backing them. I don't care about their attributes as I would like to see Nigel turn it around and so stay with us. I hope he does. In my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Pardew was against the fans wishes. Chris Nicholl was a strange one, the fans wanted him gone but looking back he actaully did a very good job under the circumstances. I always remember Nicholls comments on his sacking, "it's not from faliure but failure to bring success" Nicholl Out, Branfoot in. Pards? Think it was pretty divided. A lot of people weren't that sorry to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Not really up for debating what will happen, too many think their opinion of the future is fact. But hypothetically, if form (look in the dictionary) improved, is it possible that some posters would learn from it? A lot seem to state Adkins is out of his depth as if this is some proven factor. You point out that countless decent managers could have been sacked for poor periods and they think you're saying 'he'll turn it round'. Then they make out they're right when there's another defeat and see how many times they can use the word deluded in a post. Adkins may succeed or fail. I'm not one of the many expert posters with a time machine. Doesn't change the fact that many talented managers would have been sacked, including Ferguson, Wengers, Moyes if the current attitude was taken. Again, I feel the need to state the obvious that I'm not saying Adkins is one of these top managers, there's no way of knowing that yet. Only certaintly is this ridiculous reactionary short-term ungrateful petulant attitude will see good managers sacked if clubs keep doing it. Sooner or later you have to show a little common sense, patience and humility and stick with someone through rough patches rather than throwing your toys out of the pram and into the face of those that bought you the fcking pram. Do you hold the same view on players? We've let go plenty of players that played their part in back to back promotions who were then shown the door without any chance to even have ago at the PL maybe they would have come good? In fact Nigel has dropped several players he didn't think were good enough should he have shown some loyalty to those players that helped get back to back promotions. How about Kelvin he had a rough patch at the start of this season ....should we have stuck with him rather than putting him on the bench? Nobody seems to have a problem upgrading players considered not good enough for the PL...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Nobody seems to have a problem upgrading players considered not good enough for the PL...... Why would you consider that the same ? If you replace a player there are 10 others on the pitch giving you the continuity from the last match and the underpinning ethos is likely to be the same. If you replace the manager, everything is different compared to the previous match, including personnel, training methods, tactics, formation, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I am glad that Nigel is staying - now we need more effort from the players and a win against Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Pards? Think it was pretty divided. A lot of people weren't that sorry to see him go. I remember the Northam Singing there is only one Alan Pardew just after he was sacked ...I think we were being shafted by Rochdale at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Pards? Think it was pretty divided. A lot of people weren't that sorry to see him go. Really? I dont know anyone away from the mongboard world that wanted him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Really? I dont know anyone away from the mongboard world that wanted him out. TBF there's a difference between wanting someone out and not being disappointed that they've gone. I wasn't campaigning for him to be sacked but likewise I really wasn't bothered he got the boot. He was a one trick pony and if Lallana and/or Lambert weren't playing he didn't have a plan B. I'm amazed he's done so well at Newcastle, mind you they must have the best scouts in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 TBF there's a difference between wanting someone out and not being disappointed that they've gone. I wasn't campaigning for him to be sacked but likewise I really wasn't bothered he got the boot. He was a one trick pony and if Lallana and/or Lambert weren't playing he didn't have a plan B. I'm amazed he's done so well at Newcastle, mind you they must have the best scouts in the Premier League. You could say the same about Nige though. How poor did we look when Lambert didn't play. Doncaster away anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 TBF there's a difference between wanting someone out and not being disappointed that they've gone. I wasn't campaigning for him to be sacked but likewise I really wasn't bothered he got the boot. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 You could say the same about Nige though. How poor did we look when Lambert didn't play. Doncaster away anyone? And I feel the same as I did about Pardew. Not desperate enough to see him go that I am going to shout it from the rooftops, but apart from a nostalgic twinge about the last 2 seasons he gave us, I wont be slashing my wrists if he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Can't see Nigel surviving if we lose to Swansea, think Cortese will act if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 And I feel the same as I did about Pardew. Not desperate enough to see him go that I am going to shout it from the rooftops, but apart from a nostalgic twinge about the last 2 seasons he gave us, I wont be slashing my wrists if he goes. Dont disagree. I feel a lot of loyalty towards Nige and i dont like seeing what is essentially a really decent bloke struggling and looking at times like a beaten man. I also feel that there are too many rumours of him working in "intolerable conditions" for them to be just made up bulls*t. But if there is a better manager available then the club is the most important thing and i'm sure Nigel will go on to be successful somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Just read that we're lining up Di Canio or Vialli if NA goes (which I think he will). No thanks. Whilst I think Nigel is totally out of his depth I would want either of them in charge. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 You could say the same about Nige though. How poor did we look when Lambert didn't play. Doncaster away anyone? Agreed and that's why some people won't be too disappointed if Adkins goes, as long as someone with a bit of pedigree replaces him. A lot of people said we bullied our way through two divisions and they're not far from the truth. We've be found wanting this season when it's come to tactics, formation and team selection - all of which Adkins openly says are down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Not really up for debating what will happen, too many think their opinion of the future is fact. But hypothetically, if form (look in the dictionary) improved, is it possible that some posters would learn from it? A lot seem to state Adkins is out of his depth as if this is some proven factor. You point out that countless decent managers could have been sacked for poor periods and they think you're saying 'he'll turn it round'. Then they make out they're right when there's another defeat and see how many times they can use the word deluded in a post. Adkins may succeed or fail. I'm not one of the many expert posters with a time machine. Doesn't change the fact that many talented managers would have been sacked, including Ferguson, Wengers, Moyes if the current attitude was taken. Again, I feel the need to state the obvious that I'm not saying Adkins is one of these top managers, there's no way of knowing that yet. Only certaintly is this ridiculous reactionary short-term ungrateful petulant attitude will see good managers sacked if clubs keep doing it. Sooner or later you have to show a little common sense, patience and humility and stick with someone through rough patches rather than throwing your toys out of the pram and into the face of those that bought you the fcking pram. You suggest that there is only 'bad' short-termism - what about 'bad' long-termism where complacency and indiscipline set in, managers face no pressures to correct their ways but throw good money after bad and clubs lose direction. There are plenty of teams that have played the loyalty card with disappointing returns -Ipswich and Sunderland being good examples. In those situations, perhaps, chairmen should have pulled the trigger earlier. What matters is whether there are signs of progress -whether managers are learning, not some simplistic distinction between short-term and long-term. But, then again, you're the master of windbag guff masking a whole lot of nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Dont disagree. I feel a lot of loyalty towards Nige and i dont like seeing what is essentially a really decent bloke struggling and looking at times like a beaten man. I also feel that there are too many rumours of him working in "intolerable conditions" for them to be just made up bulls*t. But if there is a better manager available then the club is the most important thing and i'm sure Nigel will go on to be successful somewhere else. I hear what you're saying but does that mean when Adkins says formation, tactics, line-up etc are down to him he's lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 This is all about Nigel. The only question that matters is whether any replacement would get a marked change in form and fortunes. He has done his job by getting us here, now all that matters is how we move on up. If the management of the club think that he is the man for the long term then they should say so and stick with him. If not, then get someone else in sharpish before it's too late. Sentiment is so last season. (What's that song - 'We're only making plans for Nigel?') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 (edited) Dont disagree. I feel a lot of loyalty towards Nige and i dont like seeing what is essentially a really decent bloke struggling and looking at times like a beaten man. I also feel that there are too many rumours of him working in "intolerable conditions" for them to be just made up bulls*t. But if there is a better manager available then the club is the most important thing and i'm sure Nigel will go on to be successful somewhere else. Agree with most of this. Not all but most. Edited 7 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Why would you consider that the same ? If you replace a player there are 10 others on the pitch giving you the continuity from the last match and the underpinning ethos is likely to be the same. If you replace the manager, everything is different compared to the previous match, including personnel, training methods, tactics, formation, etc. Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Dont disagree. I feel a lot of loyalty towards Nige and i dont like seeing what is essentially a really decent bloke struggling and looking at times like a beaten man. I also feel that there are too many rumours of him working in "intolerable conditions" for them to be just made up bulls*t. But if there is a better manager available then the club is the most important thing and i'm sure Nigel will go on to be successful somewhere else. If we're working on the "no smoke without fire" principal at SFC does that mean Pardew did tap Fonte's missus, we did nearly signed Biefhoff and Paul Allen did want to buy the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 And I feel the same as I did about Pardew. Not desperate enough to see him go that I am going to shout it from the rooftops, but apart from a nostalgic twinge about the last 2 seasons he gave us, I wont be slashing my wrists if he goes. That's pretty much how I feel. I don't 'want' to see Adkins go, I do want to see our form improve and Adkins lead us to greater days, but at the same time if he goes I won't be too upset and I'll always remember what he did for us. The only time I'll be angry is if Adkins is sacked and we don't replace him with somebody better. If it's anything other than a proven manager with Premiership experience I just don't see the point. Why replace Adkins with somebody else who needs to learn this league and gain experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... Which is sensible, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I hear what you're saying but does that mean when Adkins says formation, tactics, line-up etc are down to him he's lying? He's also said many times he has a great relationship with the chairman. I think most people are starting to accept that isn't true now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 If we're working on the "no smoke without fire" principal at SFC does that mean Pardew did tap Fonte's missus, we did nearly signed Biefhoff and Paul Allen did want to buy the club? Dont be silly. You've got lots of journalists and rumours all over the place from people in Southampton saying Adkins isn't in full controll. If it was just one or two you can dismiss it, but it's coming from lots of sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Which is sensible, yeah? I would say so. Just pointing out that the club have set themselves in a way they believe will reduce disruption if they have to change manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... It's the 'Continental model' which is commonplace in Serie A. They have Head Coaches not Managers. I've always felt, rightly or wrongly, that this is the model NC wanted to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... Which is the whole point for things being done collaboratively - with managers having a large say in things but ensuring that this say is consistent with the overall vision for the club, thereby minimising disruptions. Contrast this with the car crash at the scousers - large parts of Dalglish experiment have had to be written off as Rodgers has decided that he doesnt want play like Blackburn circa 1995. No doubt, Adkins would have been hired on the basis of how there was a meeting of minds, how far his own footballing principles and philosophy chimed with those of the club. The idea that he is being dictated to or having a gun put to his head misses this point totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... Doesnt sound so tw*ttish.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Intresting to see what Les Reed says in this interview What is your involvement at Southampton? I am a member of the Board; a Director of the club. We have a small Board and we are all executives so decisions are made quickly, it helps to get things done. Board members are responsible for Football (me) Finance and Operations and the Executive Chairman oversees it all so there are only four of us. I am responsible for what we call the Football Development and Support Centre. It is a concept rather than a facility. FDSC incorporates Coaching, Sports Medicine and Science, scouting and recruitment, kit and equipment and the Academy. I work closely with the Manager and the Chairman on football matters and manage a staff of about 50 in those 5 departments or pillars. The Manager is able to focus on coaching the team and only the three first team coaches report directly to him. This brings the stability I mentioned earlier because very few staff are affected by a managerial change, the culture remains the same and the strategy stays on course. This was the vision of the Chairman and it is working. It is the hardest job I have done yet but I really enjoy it. Being a manager would be a piece of cake after this! We have a great staff and everyone is pulling together as one. Taken from this Link http://www.2ndyellow.com/2012/five-minutes-of-your-time-please-les-reed/ So it seems the club is set up so that changing manager has minimal effect on continuity..... it all makes a lot of sense and is a very good idea. As long as manager also has a major input into transfers and all other football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Which is sensible, yeah? In theory it is totally sensible - especially for a club with limited finances (as in, they can't go and rebuild their team every few years). Two obvious problems: 1. Accountability: Who is to blame if the club hierarchy want to develop a certain style of play but they don't bring in the players to implement it. What if that style of play is being found out by the opposition? 2. Flexibility: If a formation and style of play are dictated from the top the manager/head coach loses the option to adjust his formation and style for the opposition. Great if you're Barcelona, or an have outstanding coach. Less good otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 How come winless clubs QPR and Reading are out of the spotlight regarding new managers ? McDermott, Hughes and even Lambert must be relieved Adkins is taking all the ****e from the cheap press who as usual are looking for a non-story. I agree. It's odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 it all makes a lot of sense and is a very good idea. As long as manager also has a major input into transfers and all other football matters. No doubt, Adkins would have been hired on the basis of how there was a meeting of minds, how far his own footballing principles and philosophy chimed with those of the club. That's why the idea that he is being dictated to or having a gun put to his head misses the point. Things are done collaboratively - with managers having a large say in things but ensuring that this say is consistent with the overall vision for the club, thereby minimising disruptions. But just as chairmen can have too much say, so can managers - look at Liverpools recent woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 How come winless clubs QPR and Reading are out of the spotlight regarding new managers ? McDermott, Hughes and even Lambert must be relieved Adkins is taking all the ****e from the cheap press who as usual are looking for a non-story. you think Mark Hughes has not and is not in the spotlight..? as for reading..everyone assumes they would go back down hence why no one is surprised. we on the other hand, have spent a fuking fortune...and with that comes expectations to deliver...like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I agree. It's odd. Do you think journalists would be focusing on it if there wasn't something in it? Sky even had cameras and reports at the training ground all day yesterday. We are Saints, i doubt there are many people north of the M4 who give a toss if we are just about to sack our manager or not, they arent sensationalising it to sell papers are they! Despite their starts it's pretty clear Adkins is under more pressure than the other two. Not helped by our ambitious chairman and £30m summer outlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 How come winless clubs QPR and Reading are out of the spotlight regarding new managers ? McDermott, Hughes and even Lambert must be relieved Adkins is taking all the ****e from the cheap press who as usual are looking for a non-story. They may be winless but they're both above us in the table and they don't leak as many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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