Wes Tender Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Indeed. Walt doesn't seem to grasp the most basic concept that folks are punch-drunk to his tiresome diatribe and any salient points he does have get passed on by. Thankfully, with him on ignore I miss most of the tiresome diatribes anyway, unless people quote him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I can picture the scene now. The condemned prisoner is strapped into the electric chair and the guard is just about to throw the switch - but hold on a minute - the Governor has just phoned through with a dramatic last minute stay of execution! Will the new evidence - the next two results - save our man, or is he doomed? Watch this space to find out ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Thankfully, with him on ignore I miss most of the tiresome diatribes anyway, unless people quote him. Oh you've got me on ignore have you Les?!! I'd never have know, it's not like you've ever mentioned it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 When people stop saying every negative article is bullsh*t and should be dismissed yet every postive one is amazing journalism then I'll stop reminding people of it. A number of people have also stated relegation doesn't matter this season as we're already ahead of the 5 year plan, so again, just another reminder. It's not me, it's those that say it. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that! What you're basically saying is that until people start posting in a manner you approve of you're going to continue with these dull repetitive posts? How mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 More lazy journalism? Probably.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228979/Paolo-di-Canio-Gianluca-Vialli-Southampton-wish-list.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 More lazy journalism? Probably.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228979/Paolo-di-Canio-Gianluca-Vialli-Southampton-wish-list.html This is a difficult one as it's neither postive or negative. Although i'm going to park this in the "Bullsh*t rumours" file for now as it mentions Cortese meddling in team affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 More lazy journalism? Probably.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228979/Paolo-di-Canio-Gianluca-Vialli-Southampton-wish-list.html Vialli hasnt worked in management in 10 years and is a TV pundit in Italy. No thanks. If Strachan is deep-down still interested in managing, I dont see why he would be reluctant, tbh. He isnt going to get a better opportunity than this. Di Canio is an intruiging prospect. Could be a major success or a serious f**king disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 mega rich Cortese! Where do they get their info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Vialli hasnt worked in management in 10 years and is a TV pundit in Italy. No thanks. If Strachan is deep-down still interested in managing, I dont see why he would be reluctant, tbh. He isnt going to get a better opportunity than this. Di Canio is an intruiging prospect. Could be a major success or a serious f**king disaster... My ideal choice would be Claudio Raneri. I think he's got the temperment to handle working with Cortese, the presence in the game to attact decent players who would want to come and play for him and the experience of the division and also other top leagues in Europe as well as being a good manager. I just dont think he'd leave Monaco unless Cortese was able to really persuade him that there was a really exciting challenge to be had here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Vialli hasnt worked in management in 10 years and is a TV pundit in Italy. No thanks. If Strachan is deep-down still interested in managing, I dont see why he would be reluctant, tbh. He isnt going to get a better opportunity than this. Di Canio is an intruiging prospect. Could be a major success or a serious f**king disaster... Strachan's eyes are on the Scotland job; he was asked about it on the CL show last night. He said very little other than that he'd be honoured to be asked, Matt Smith the interviewer inferred that as he's off to Glasgow today to watch the Celtic-Barca game he perhaps may be meeting with the SFA while there. Vialli? Please no, he would be a major step down. Di Canio, good lord no, I would think it would be a serious f**king disaster, within weeks or even days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Warning to the list: Swansea are very good. Have sufficient pace to inflict a lot of damage. Get the feeling people think this is an easy win. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Warning to the list: Swansea are very good. Have sufficient pace to inflict a lot of damage. Get the feeling people think this is an easy win. Wrong. Fair comment re Swansea but I don't think anyone believes there is an easy win for us out there *****il maybe the 3rd of the FAC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Strachan's eyes are on the Scotland job If they really are, he's no longer seriously interested in management. He said he'd be honoured to be asked, he didnt say he'd take it. Classic Wee Gordon response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 More lazy journalism? Probably.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228979/Paolo-di-Canio-Gianluca-Vialli-Southampton-wish-list.html Just can't quite see why it's taking so long myself. Should have been gone weeks ago, the longer it takes the worse it will get. Just finished looking through the WBA game again, side is totally demoralised and as the Mail piece says, plenty of them know Adkins is finished with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I would love to know who the other board members are and how much actual power they wield Precisely! There may be other directors of the Holding Company (The name escapes me) but as far as I was aware, Cortese is in sole charge of Southampton Football Club Ltd. Other than Reed (I've forgotten his title) there is no one else who has an input to the position of Manager, Purchase of Players and Team Selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Warning to the list: Swansea are very good. Have sufficient pace to inflict a lot of damage. Get the feeling people think this is an easy win. Wrong. Christ, I don't expect an easy win at all. This will be as tough as any other game we've played, probably more so than Fulham. I'm not sure if they'll have Flores at the back alongside Williams, as I think he's a fantastic find as a CB. I think he cost around £2m. I must admit, looking back now, it does make you wonder wtf we were doing? I honestly believe we did our usual of looking for ''a massive name CB'' and spending weeks securing it, only to then fail, and be left with the scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I believe that if, and when, we do get a new manager it will most likely be a Continental coach who will be familiar with the concept of being Head Coach and not Manager per se. He will be given a squad and not be involved in the player recruitment process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Warning to the list: Swansea are very good. Have sufficient pace to inflict a lot of damage. Get the feeling people think this is an easy win. Wrong. As we've lost 8 out of 10 already there is absolutely no reason to believe that Swansea will be anything different. Always hopeful though, I always believe we'll win our next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 My ideal choice would be Claudio Raneri. I think he's got the temperment to handle working with Cortese, the presence in the game to attact decent players who would want to come and play for him and the experience of the division and also other top leagues in Europe as well as being a good manager. I just dont think he'd leave Monaco unless Cortese was able to really persuade him that there was a really exciting challenge to be had here. I agree. I don't think he'd put up with any meddling either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Precisely! There may be other directors of the Holding Company (The name escapes me) but as far as I was aware, Cortese is in sole charge of Southampton Football Club Ltd. Other than Reed (I've forgotten his title) there is no one else who has an input to the position of Manager, Purchase of Players and Team Selection. There aren't. Cortese is the sole director. As to whom the shareholder(s) are, that's unclear, last we knew it was the Estate of Markus Liebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 My ideal choice would be Claudio Raneri. I think he's got the temperment to handle working with Cortese, the presence in the game to attact decent players who would want to come and play for him and the experience of the division and also other top leagues in Europe as well as being a good manager. I just dont think he'd leave Monaco unless Cortese was able to really persuade him that there was a really exciting challenge to be had here. He's not a nobody though. Cortese only wants dummies and nobodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I agree. I don't think he'd put up with any meddling either. What are you suggesting?!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 He's not a nobody though. Cortese only wants dummies and nobodies. He'd be my choice. Not Corteses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 He's not a nobody though. Cortese only wants dummies and nobodies. I reckon this is b*ll*cks. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 He'd be my choice. Not Corteses! Like the clowns who wanted Michael Owen when we were in L1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I reckon this is b*ll*cks. Sorry. Not my view at all. Just deferring to the Mongboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Like the clowns who wanted Michael Owen when we were in L1? Behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 What are you suggesting?!!!! I don't believe the rumours of people telling Adkins who to pick. The 4-3-3 rumour was plausible, but seeing as we haven't played 4-3-3 in nearly half our games now I think that one can be put to bed. The point I was trying to make is that if we appoint a strong manager then (hopefully) the unsubstantiated rumours of meddling might die down a bit. If the rumours of meddling do turn out to be true I'll hold my hands up and admit I'm wrong. I'll lose all respect for Adkins though, as he said himself he's responsible for picking the team and formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Reading the varying press reports of yesterday's meeting and trying to make sense of what is being said between the lines I would say NA is now on borrowed time and the only delay is that NC has no one lined up. This is worrying in itself but even more worrying is the mention of Di Canio - that truly would be a disaster of titanic proportions if only because of his extreme politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Like the Times article, however, the more time we spend with Adkins the worse things are going to get. Personally the only reason I can see that he is still here is because we haven't identified someone to take over, and after last time with Wilkins in charge I think (unlike NA) NC has learnt from his mistakes. Don't be surprised that even if our form improves we see Adkins being randomly sacked when NC finds his new manager. Nothing to do with his record since joining us then? Or his positive enthusiasm and ability to learn being worth a longer go? Or that clubs who dump managers when in the bottom three much more often than not don't turn it around? Or longer serving managers always do better? Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Do you suggest that nothing is done and the team heads back to the championship Just because Adkins did well with lots of money for players in League 1 and the Championship does not mean he will do well with a a young and inexperienced squad in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 ... for the time being. Cortese is not stupid and will almost certainly have been asking tentatively around. Any chairman of a multi-million business would do the same. I desperately hope for a win on Saturday but not for Nigel's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Reading the varying press reports of yesterday's meeting and trying to make sense of what is being said between the lines I would say NA is now on borrowed time and the only delay is that NC has no one lined up. This is worrying in itself but even more worrying is the mention of Di Canio - that truly would be a disaster of titanic proportions if only because of his extreme politics. Remember the Pardew saga? All sorts of rumours going round he was about to be sacked, a meeting to place, reports pardew was safe and then suddenly he's sacked a couple of weeks into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Do you suggest that nothing is done and the team heads back to the championship Just because Adkins did well with lots of money for players in League 1 and the Championship does not mean he will do well with a a young and inexperienced squad in the PL Where did I say that? I was responding to the speculated reason why Cortese has not sacked him (being only that we don't have a replacement lined up). Nonsense IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Nothing to do with his record since joining us then? Or his positive enthusiasm and ability to learn being worth a longer go? Or that clubs who dump managers when in the bottom three much more often than not don't turn it around? Or longer serving managers always do better? Just saying No, I don't think so in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Reading the varying press reports of yesterday's meeting and trying to make sense of what is being said between the lines I would say NA is now on borrowed time and the only delay is that NC has no one lined up. This is worrying in itself but even more worrying is the mention of Di Canio - that truly would be a disaster of titanic proportions if only because of his extreme politics. TBF, the only reason that Nige is still here is that for whatever reason, Cortese didnt have the replacement sealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 TBF, the only reason that Nige is still here is that for whatever reason, Cortese didnt have the replacement sealed. imo of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 TBF, the only reason that Nige is still here is that for whatever reason, Cortese didnt have the replacement sealed. So Cortese has concluded he has to go, that he will not turn it around, but he has left him in charge for some more games (having concluded we will lose those as well) with all the knock on impact on points, the players, staff and supporters, only because he has not yet picked a new manager? This would be a first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 I still think we should keep Nigel. Every programme on talksport or radio 5 I have heard has had the presenters and guests saying he should stay. Richard Keys just said it would be ridiculous to sack him. Francis Benali thinks he should stay. Every fan from other clubs ringing in thinks we would be silly to sack him. Cortese thinks he should stay!! apart from a minority on fans in polls and a few vocal on here, has anyone in football or media said they think he should go? I remember Alpine saying anyone but Burley......that worked out well didn't it! I said then careful what you wish for...unless you are confident you will get better... So far, not heard name that jumps out as likely to be an appointment for us and would be better than NA. I unless something bad happens behind the scenes I think NC should next look at results end of November and not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 (edited) So Cortese has concluded he has to go, that he will not turn it around, but he has left him in charge for some more games (having concluded we will lose those as well) with all the knock on impact on points, the players, staff and supporters, only because he has not yet picked a new manager? This would be a first perhaps Cortese remembers what happened the last time he sacked a manager(a manager who's side finished in the top few of the PL last season I might add) with no replacement lined up. If so it at least shows that someone in our organisation has learnt from past mistakes. Pity the manager hasn't done the same thing. Lambert + Rodriguez+Lallana+Ramirez away from home is just crass stupidity and the fact that NA is generally well thought of by the fans is what gives rise to the idea that he doesn't pick the team. Edited 7 November, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 So Cortese has concluded he has to go, that he will not turn it around, but he has left him in charge for some more games (having concluded we will lose those as well) with all the knock on impact on points, the players, staff and supporters, only because he has not yet picked a new manager? This would be a first Because the last few times we didn't have anyone lined up it went really well. Dean Wilkins? Dodd and Gorman? Wotte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Like the Times article, however, the more time we spend with Adkins the worse things are going to get. Personally the only reason I can see that he is still here is because we haven't identified someone to take over, and after last time with Wilkins in charge I think (unlike NA) NC has learnt from his mistakes. Don't be surprised that even if our form improves we see Adkins being randomly sacked when NC finds his new manager. That is my impression as well. Basically, we have a Manager who is intent on setting the team up to leak goals. Irrespective of results in November - we have to see a change towards a more defensive formation and a grinding out of results. This is the only chance NA has of saving his job IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Because the last few times we didn't have anyone lined up it went really well. Dean Wilkins? Dodd and Gorman? Wotte? Ok. I dont remember other occasions across Europe when a chairman has concluded the manager has to go, things will only get worse, there is no chance of improvement, but then leaves him in charge for a few more games. I could be wrong of course. Cortese likes to do things differently, that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 (edited) Ok. I dont remember other occasions across Europe when a chairman has concluded the manager has to go, things will only get worse, there is no chance of improvement, but then leaves him in charge for a few more games. I could be wrong of course. Cortese likes to do things differently, that's for sure mate..talk about sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA LA LA" adkins himself expected to be sacked....he still expects to be sacked...he is getting even more desperate to sell himself after every defeat.... its sad seeing a very top bloke begging for his job on national telly i really cannot see why he should stay if we dont win at the weekend.... Edited 7 November, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Ok. I dont remember other occasions across Europe when a chairman has concluded the manager has to go, things will only get worse, there is no chance of improvement, but then leaves him in charge for a few more games. I could be wrong of course. Cortese likes to do things differently, that's for sure But you wouldn't hear about it would you? The same as we haven't heard about it here. If you don't think that a lot of situations like this happen across football then you are sadly very mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 mate..talk about sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA LA LA" adkins himself expected to be sacked....he still expects to be sacked...he is getting even more desperate to sell himself after every defeat.... its sad seeing a very top bloke begging for his job on national telly i really cannot see why he should stay if we dont win at the weekend.... Mate talk about not reading the posts correctly. I said that (assuming it is true that Cortese has told Adkins he can continue in charge, for a period at least) I don't believe it is only because Cortese does not have an immediate replacement lined up. That's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 But you wouldn't hear about it would you? The same as we haven't heard about it here. If you don't think that a lot of situations like this happen across football then you are sadly very mistaken. Ok I bow down to your better knowledge. No club every fires a manager (having decided he has to go) and then chooses a new guy and installs him one week, two, or three later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Ok I bow down to your better knowledge. No club every fires a manager (having decided he has to go) and then chooses a new guy and installs him one week, two, or three later Maybe the board don't want to end up like Wolves last season were no one wanted the job and they became even worse than they had been under big Mick........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Nothing to do with his record since joining us then? Or his positive enthusiasm and ability to learn being worth a longer go? Or that clubs who dump managers when in the bottom three much more often than not don't turn it around? Or longer serving managers always do better? Just saying We can point to the appointments of Ball, Hoddle and Strachan as examples of getting out of the mire when we were up sh*t street under Branfoot, Jones and Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 November, 2012 Share Posted 7 November, 2012 Maybe the board don't want to end up like Wolves last season were no one wanted the job and they became even worse than they had been under big Mick........ Perhaps. But you would hope that if we did make a change, first we would be more attractive than Wolves, and second we would not pick someone worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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