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You can not believe a word the echo says regarding Saints. They know nothing and the club have commented more times than I can recall that they do not and will not share any type of information with the echo.

 

K Billy is a long standing friend of mine and we share a source also. This informtion is on the level, and a statment will be released tomorrow.

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Yet another thread about uninformed rubbish published by the Echo.

 

If you follow Newsnow you can see the 'news' being syndicated after being published by someone else - in the case of the Daily Fail normally completely fabricated - and lo and behold along comes the next Echo headline.

 

Now Nigel is going to Blackpool where everyone else thinks it is Appleton :facepalm:

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Full Times article...

 

The vultures circling over St Mary’s Stadium might be advised to look elsewhere. After lengthy discussions yesterday, Nigel Adkins was backed to continue as Southampton manager, even if he has been left in no doubt by Nicola Cortese, the chairman, that survival in the Barclays Premier League is imperative.

Adkins has admitted to concerns about his job security after eight defeats in his team’s first ten Premier League matches since promotion, but Cortese and his fellow board members agreed yesterday that the 47-year-old deserves to be given more time after guiding Southampton from the lower reaches of npower League One to the Premier League in less than two years.

The former S****horpe United manager will recognise that the board’s patience is finite and that its demands, even after such a testing start, are higher than may normally be the case at a club returning to the Premier League after a seven-year absence.

The outlook could feasibly change if the next two matches, at home to Swansea City on Saturday and away to Queens Park Rangers a week later, bring more disappointment, but the mood now is to support Adkins rather than unsettle him.

For that, Cortese, a notoriously demanding chairman, deserves credit. When the Italian first set out his vision for Southampton, then in the third tier of English football, he said that within five years he expected the South Coast club to be in the Premier League, playing attractive football with a group of young footballers, the majority of them home-grown. That was in 2009. When Adkins took over as manager in September 2010, they were 22nd in League One.

They won promotion to the Championship that season and, more incredibly, went up to the top flight at the first attempt with just the kind of vibrant, young team that Cortese demanded. In delivering promotion two years ahead of schedule, Adkins has only increased the demands and expectations.

Southampton’s supporters made their views clear at The Hawthorns on Monday night by chanting relentlessly in favour of their manager as his team drifted towards perhaps their most disappointing defeat of the campaign, 2-0 against West Bromwich Albion. Their view, whether out of affection, loyalty or simply an enthusiasm for his devotion to principles of youth, home-grown talent and attacking football, is shared by many.

It is the classic dilemma for a chairman. Clubs can cite principles and five-year plans, which in Southampton’s case are embodied by Adkins’s approach, but long-term thinking has been known to diminish when a bleak winter threatens. Once chairmen taste the first tranche of Premier League broadcast revenue, they frequently allow short-termism to take hold.

Southampton have no interest in the kind of “yo-yo” approach that led West Brom to bounce — or “boing” — back and forth between the Premier League and Championship for several seasons before establishing themselves impressively in the top flight.

Relegation, according to one source, would be viewed by Cortese as “completely unacceptable” after the summer outlay on players such as Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Davis, Jay Rodriguez and, above all, Gastón Ramírez.

With a conspicuous lack of English top-flight experience, though, they have made mistakes and conceded 28 goals in their first ten games. But Southampton’s first ten opponents have included six of the league’s top seven at present and only one of the bottom seven. Swansea at home on Saturday seems a fairer test of their progress.

Southampton’s back four has not looked up to standard, but would a change of manager really alter that? Bring in a proven troubleshooter — and, by all accounts, Harry Redknapp can be dismissed — and he might bring obduracy and acquire more experienced types in the January transfer window. But at what cost to Cortese’s vision of a young, hungry, vibrant team playing wonderful football?

Adkins is delivering in almost every respect. They are building around youth and playing progressive football. They have scored more goals than Liverpool and only one fewer than Arsenal. Most significantly, they are in the Premier League. The guy who has taken them there deserves more time to prove that he can keep them there. Pleasingly, the chairman agrees.

 

Very good article, but the key word for me there is "finite".

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You can not believe a word the echo says regarding Saints. They know nothing and the club have commented more times than I can recall that they do not and will not share any type of information with the echo.

 

Yep, and it's pathetic from the club too.

 

Pure power play by Cortese.

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I would love to know who the other board members are and how much actual power they wield

 

Thats a very good question. You got me thinking.

 

Our impression of NC is that after this string of results, NA would be out on his arse, right ? Hot-blooded ruthless businessman sees business failing and makes changes at top.

 

But it hasnt happened.

 

I know from personal experience that Austrian/German/Swiss mentality on this sort of situation is to stay loyal and persevere for a very long time (perhaps too long) in the hope things turn round. So I am wondering if someone from the Liebherr family has expressed an opinion on how things are going.

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The vultures circling over St Mary’s Stadium might be advised to look elsewhere. After lengthy discussions yesterday, Nigel Adkins was backed to continue as Southampton manager, even if he has been left in no doubt by Nicola Cortese, the chairman, that survival in the Barclays Premier League is imperative.

Adkins has admitted to concerns about his job security after eight defeats in his team’s first ten Premier League matches since promotion, but Cortese and his fellow board members agreed yesterday that the 47-year-old deserves to be given more time after guiding Southampton from the lower reaches of npower League One to the Premier League in less than two years.

The former S****horpe United manager will recognise that the board’s patience is finite and that its demands, even after such a testing start, are higher than may normally be the case at a club returning to the Premier League after a seven-year absence.

The outlook could feasibly change if the next two matches, at home to Swansea City on Saturday and away to Queens Park Rangers a week later, bring more disappointment, but the mood now is to support Adkins rather than unsettle him.

For that, Cortese, a notoriously demanding chairman, deserves credit. When the Italian first set out his vision for Southampton, then in the third tier of English football, he said that within five years he expected the South Coast club to be in the Premier League, playing attractive football with a group of young footballers, the majority of them home-grown. That was in 2009. When Adkins took over as manager in September 2010, they were 22nd in League One.

They won promotion to the Championship that season and, more incredibly, went up to the top flight at the first attempt with just the kind of vibrant, young team that Cortese demanded. In delivering promotion two years ahead of schedule, Adkins has only increased the demands and expectations.

Southampton’s supporters made their views clear at The Hawthorns on Monday night by chanting relentlessly in favour of their manager as his team drifted towards perhaps their most disappointing defeat of the campaign, 2-0 against West Bromwich Albion. Their view, whether out of affection, loyalty or simply an enthusiasm for his devotion to principles of youth, home-grown talent and attacking football, is shared by many.

It is the classic dilemma for a chairman. Clubs can cite principles and five-year plans, which in Southampton’s case are embodied by Adkins’s approach, but long-term thinking has been known to diminish when a bleak winter threatens. Once chairmen taste the first tranche of Premier League broadcast revenue, they frequently allow short-termism to take hold.

Southampton have no interest in the kind of “yo-yo” approach that led West Brom to bounce — or “boing” — back and forth between the Premier League and Championship for several seasons before establishing themselves impressively in the top flight.

Relegation, according to one source, would be viewed by Cortese as “completely unacceptable” after the summer outlay on players such as Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Davis, Jay Rodriguez and, above all, Gastón Ramírez.

With a conspicuous lack of English top-flight experience, though, they have made mistakes and conceded 28 goals in their first ten games. But Southampton’s first ten opponents have included six of the league’s top seven at present and only one of the bottom seven. Swansea at home on Saturday seems a fairer test of their progress.

Southampton’s back four has not looked up to standard, but would a change of manager really alter that? Bring in a proven troubleshooter — and, by all accounts, Harry Redknapp can be dismissed — and he might bring obduracy and acquire more experienced types in the January transfer window. But at what cost to Cortese’s vision of a young, hungry, vibrant team playing wonderful football?

Adkins is delivering in almost every respect. They are building around youth and playing progressive football. They have scored more goals than Liverpool and only one fewer than Arsenal. Most significantly, they are in the Premier League. The guy who has taken them there deserves more time to prove that he can keep them there. Pleasingly, the chairman agrees.

 

More lies written by lazy journalists. I'm am most surprised they havent picked up on relegation not mattering this season as we are already ahead of the five year plan. So out of touch it's untrue.

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I would love to know who the other board members are and how much actual power they wield

 

Other board members are Les Reed, Brendon McGlinchey and Gareth Roberts. The last two responsible for finance and operations so I very much doubt they'd have much input into who is first team manager, I expect that decision came down to Cortese and Reed.

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More lies written by lazy journalists. I'm am most surprised they havent picked up on relegation not mattering this season as we are already ahead of the five year plan. So out of touch it's untrue.

 

Do you really have to persist in this manner of posting it is really tiresome, add something constructive to the debate.

 

Regards relagation, some teams get away with it and come straight back up for others it's the start of a decline. Who knows what will happen to us?

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Full Times article...

 

The vultures circling over St Mary’s Stadium might be advised to look elsewhere. After lengthy discussions yesterday, Nigel Adkins was backed to continue as Southampton manager, even if he has been left in no doubt by Nicola Cortese, the chairman, that survival in the Barclays Premier League is imperative.

Adkins has admitted to concerns about his job security after eight defeats in his team’s first ten Premier League matches since promotion, but Cortese and his fellow board members agreed yesterday that the 47-year-old deserves to be given more time after guiding Southampton from the lower reaches of npower League One to the Premier League in less than two years.

The former S****horpe United manager will recognise that the board’s patience is finite and that its demands, even after such a testing start, are higher than may normally be the case at a club returning to the Premier League after a seven-year absence.

The outlook could feasibly change if the next two matches, at home to Swansea City on Saturday and away to Queens Park Rangers a week later, bring more disappointment, but the mood now is to support Adkins rather than unsettle him.

For that, Cortese, a notoriously demanding chairman, deserves credit. When the Italian first set out his vision for Southampton, then in the third tier of English football, he said that within five years he expected the South Coast club to be in the Premier League, playing attractive football with a group of young footballers, the majority of them home-grown. That was in 2009. When Adkins took over as manager in September 2010, they were 22nd in League One.

They won promotion to the Championship that season and, more incredibly, went up to the top flight at the first attempt with just the kind of vibrant, young team that Cortese demanded. In delivering promotion two years ahead of schedule, Adkins has only increased the demands and expectations.

Southampton’s supporters made their views clear at The Hawthorns on Monday night by chanting relentlessly in favour of their manager as his team drifted towards perhaps their most disappointing defeat of the campaign, 2-0 against West Bromwich Albion. Their view, whether out of affection, loyalty or simply an enthusiasm for his devotion to principles of youth, home-grown talent and attacking football, is shared by many.

It is the classic dilemma for a chairman. Clubs can cite principles and five-year plans, which in Southampton’s case are embodied by Adkins’s approach, but long-term thinking has been known to diminish when a bleak winter threatens. Once chairmen taste the first tranche of Premier League broadcast revenue, they frequently allow short-termism to take hold.

Southampton have no interest in the kind of “yo-yo” approach that led West Brom to bounce — or “boing” — back and forth between the Premier League and Championship for several seasons before establishing themselves impressively in the top flight.

Relegation, according to one source, would be viewed by Cortese as “completely unacceptable” after the summer outlay on players such as Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Davis, Jay Rodriguez and, above all, Gastón Ramírez.

With a conspicuous lack of English top-flight experience, though, they have made mistakes and conceded 28 goals in their first ten games. But Southampton’s first ten opponents have included six of the league’s top seven at present and only one of the bottom seven. Swansea at home on Saturday seems a fairer test of their progress.

Southampton’s back four has not looked up to standard, but would a change of manager really alter that? Bring in a proven troubleshooter — and, by all accounts, Harry Redknapp can be dismissed — and he might bring obduracy and acquire more experienced types in the January transfer window. But at what cost to Cortese’s vision of a young, hungry, vibrant team playing wonderful football?

Adkins is delivering in almost every respect. They are building around youth and playing progressive football. They have scored more goals than Liverpool and only one fewer than Arsenal. Most significantly, they are in the Premier League. The guy who has taken them there deserves more time to prove that he can keep them there. Pleasingly, the chairman agrees.

 

An eloquent summary of recent history, comparative position and underlying ethos - for all the reasons stated above the club philosophy must not be sacrificed to a bunch of quivering journalists and faithless 'supporters'.

 

I believe that Cortese and whoever he turns to for advice understand that they are building for a very different kind of long term future - whilst we may struggle to accept the Barcelona model (we..I have been a Saints supporter for a lot of years and it's not easy to think in terms of ambition like this) I genuinely believe that this is how Markus and NC saw the future. I'm grateful that he appears to have the courage of their conviction!

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Do you really have to persist in this manner of posting it is really tiresome, add something constructive to the debate.

 

Regards relagation, some teams get away with it and come straight back up for others it's the start of a decline. Who knows what will happen to us?

 

When people stop saying every negative article is bullsh*t and should be dismissed yet every postive one is amazing journalism then I'll stop reminding people of it. A number of people have also stated relegation doesn't matter this season as we're already ahead of the 5 year plan, so again, just another reminder. It's not me, it's those that say it.

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Lets hope Nigel can turn it around then with a few "easier" games coming up. No manager in the PL or football league is going to keep his job for long with our current form. I wonder if they have given Nigel a deadline by which time he has to turn it around by? I also wonder if the board are buying time to find a replacement rather than have a repeat of the Wilikins fiasco when Pardew was sacked.

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Lets hope Nigel can turn it around then with a few "easier" games coming up. No manager in the PL or football league is going to keep his job for long with our current form. I wonder if they have given Nigel a deadline by which time he has to turn it around by? I also wonder if the board are buying time to find a replacement rather than have a repeat of the Wilikins fiasco when Pardew was sacked.

 

Yep agree- he should be given a shot at the next four -all of which are easier. But there are limits. More ruthlessly, NC might have concluded that the disruption of bringing someone in -unless they're good to go asap- is greater than the cost of temporarily sticking with a directionless NA. And a modicum of loyalty plays well with the fanbase/media.

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Like the Times article, however, the more time we spend with Adkins the worse things are going to get. Personally the only reason I can see that he is still here is because we haven't identified someone to take over, and after last time with Wilkins in charge I think (unlike NA) NC has learnt from his mistakes.

 

Don't be surprised that even if our form improves we see Adkins being randomly sacked when NC finds his new manager.

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You forgot to add how much power they yield? Please advise.

 

About three megatons.

 

In terms of power wielded, it's a four man board, in a deadlock casting vote would go to cortese, so in that situation he technically weilds twice the power of the other three.

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The directors are...

 

Nicola Cortese

Les Reed

Brendan McGlinchey

Gareth Rogers

 

Other board members are Les Reed, Brendon McGlinchey and Gareth Roberts. The last two responsible for finance and operations so I very much doubt they'd have much input into who is first team manager, I expect that decision came down to Cortese and Reed.

 

You're too late Mr Wrong. Why didn't you mention their respective responsibilities as well?

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Do you really have to persist in this manner of posting it is really tiresome, add something constructive to the debate.

 

 

Indeed. Walt doesn't seem to grasp the most basic concept that folks are punch-drunk to his tiresome diatribe and any salient points he does have get passed on by.

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Interesting to see Davis isn't writing off games against any team in the top half.

 

Good attitude but I'm sure Nigel doesnt send him out to regularly dissapear for periods of games and to keep giving the ball away. He might actually help us win a game against a top half team instead of just talking about it

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Indeed. Walt doesn't seem to grasp the most basic concept that folks are punch-drunk to his tiresome diatribe and any salient points he does have get passed on by.

 

Hello Barry. Punch drunk on an internet forum. Wow, that's pretty serious. I hope you've got BUPA.

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Close but not quite there- mcglinchey is responsible for ops and rogers for finance, not the other way round as you suggest...

 

I didn't suggest that. I just said what the other two were responsible, id have added rspectively if i was aligning a role to either as you suggest I did.

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I didn't suggest that. I just said what the other two were responsible, id have added rspectively if i was aligning a role to either as you suggest I did.

 

So you didn't mention their respective roles either then (for which you knocked MLG)? Mongboard madness.

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Good attitude but I'm sure Nigel doesnt send him out to regularly dissapear for periods of games and to keep giving the ball away. He might actually help us win a game against a top half team instead of just talking about it

 

Im sure that is part or the five year plan.

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Like the Times article, however, the more time we spend with Adkins the worse things are going to get. Personally the only reason I can see that he is still here is because we haven't identified someone to take over, and after last time with Wilkins in charge I think (unlike NA) NC has learnt from his mistakes.

 

Don't be surprised that even if our form improves we see Adkins being randomly sacked when NC finds his new manager.

 

This is how I see it, perhaps the biggest disaster would be to remove Adkins and be forced into having to take Hobson's choice ( the likes of Saggy), haggle or wait. It may well be that Cortese's famous connections and negotiation skills are in full swing at the moment, hence Nigel's strained cryptic comment last night...

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You could be in danger of believing your own hype. You can't be getting much course work done recently with all your keyboard thumping.

 

Have you been stalking me? You've got me spot on with that! I actually got boll*cked by Mr Frisby on Monday, the only day this week I've been to school, for not having done my chemistry homework. He reakons Im only going to get an E if I don't buck my ideas up.

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Is it just me or does anyone else think that we're getting a little bit worse with every game that we play? Perhaps we're playing with injuries and stuff.

 

The problem is we've not played well for 90 minutes all season. Take the last 4 games, good in the first halves against Fulham and West Ham, in the second against Spurs and for about 25 minutes against WBA. The problem is our defence isn't strong enough to cope with any amount of sustained pressure so when we aren't on top of a game we usually concede.

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