Hammond

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Into opinion we desperately miss Hammond .

 

He is so underrated .

 

Davis gives the ball away non stop , he's just not up to it.

 

Also we miss a captain and Hammond was a good skipper.

 

He's nothing flash and doesn't shine as a class player but he goes about his business and hardly ever gives the ball away.

 

I would like to see him given a crack in the prem just to see if he's up to it.

 

Bring on the back lash.

[Saint Garrett]

Although I do agree to a certain extent, I don't think Deano is the answer. I do think however he should have not been allowed to leave as he has been a part of this side for a few years and our captain. Think we do miss his leadership. But I wouldn't say we particularly miss his quality.

[corky morris]

Hammond is good spoiler, not a great passer. Our problem is we cant keep the ball. Davis & Ramirez gave it away more than anyone else last night.

[The Cat]

In my opinion he is too slow on the ball for the Premier League. While he has some attributes we could use, this one failing in itself would lead to him giving the ball away far too often and put us under pressure.

[Colinjb]

Hammond is good spoiler, not a great passer. Our problem is we cant keep the ball. Davis & Ramirez gave it away more than anyone else last night.

 

Agreed. He has great spirit and was obviously a good captain but his technical ability simply isn't there.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Yeah that's a great idea. In fact, let's re-assemble the entire L1 side again and put all our really Prem level players into the youth squad for letting us down. Now let's see, that will be....Ramirez and...err...err...well, just Ramirez then.

 

Just to clarify something here, in case you've missed the point - the reason we're losing lots of games is because we have a sub-standard squad of players. It's OK having a small number of Championship level players, but if the majority are lacking Prem quality there's only one way forward and that's down!

[shirleysfc]

Why don't we buy Harding back too!!! Lolz

[Matthew Le Tissier]

I personally don't think he done alot wrong .

 

How come someone go from being the captain and first name on the team sheet to chucked out on loan in a matter of months.

 

He at least deserves a crack in the premier league

 

He is certainly no worse than what we have and has alot to offer either as a squad player or as a skipper if he could cut it.

 

I think if it was Adkins choice he would have him back tomorrow.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Yeah that's a great idea. In fact, let's re-assemble the entire L1 side again and put all our really Prem level players into the youth squad for letting us down. Now let's see, that will be....Ramirez and...err...err...well, just Ramirez then.

 

Just to clarify something here, in case you've missed the point - the reason we're losing lots of games is because we have a sub-standard squad of players. It's OK having a small number of Championship level players, but if the majority are lacking Prem quality there's only one way forward and that's down!

 

 

I would agree with you if he had a chance and was proven not to be a (premiership player as you call it)

 

You can't judge someone as not being up to something if they have never even tried it.

 

Maybe your right but he deserves a chance. He couldn't do any worse could he. And we wouldn't have to pay for him so what's the harm trying.

 

I personally think he would prove a few people wrong in the premier league and infant would suit his game better than league one and the championship did.

[Lighthouse]

Another case of playing badly, so obviously the missing players are the answer.

 

Hammond is slow and his passing is limited. If Morgan and Davis are having trouble getting a grip of this league, Hammond would get taken to the cleaners. I actually thought he was fairly limited at Championship level last season, despite the leadership he brings to the team.

[Smirking_Saint]

I think we need hammond, sharp and harding back.

 

And try to get hold of antonio

 

And wotton

[shirleysfc]

Davis, Morgan, JWP and Cork are all better than Hammond

[70's Mike]

Davis, Morgan, JWP and Cork are all better than Hammond

 

but do they care as much, put their bodies on the line to block shots? think about defending before attack?

[pingwing]

How come someone go from being the captain and first name on the team sheet to chucked out on loan in a matter of months.

 

In the champ he wasn't first name on the team sheet so I hardly see it a fall from grace.

 

He has a good tackle but sod all else in his game. Another one of those L1/average champ players we have kicking about the club. Go down for next year we can have him back and he'll be ok rotation. Stay up and he'll be gone because he cannot pass to save his life.

[doddisalegend]

I think we need on pitch leadership. One of the big things the team has had over the last few seasons was spirit and fight......that is totally gone this seasons it seems. We need the right mix of quaility footballers and leaders/guts (of course players who are both would be ideal but probably rather rare).We've shipped out commited players like Hammond and replaced them with better footballers at the cost of leadership/guts and fight. There is no leaders on the pitch now no one to drag the other players up with a committed display. IMO of course.

[stknowle]

Brighton fan at work says we are welcome to have him back whenever we want. I think the reason may not be that he wants us to stay up and the key to us doing so is the return of Captain Hammond.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

In the champ he wasn't first name on the team sheet so I hardly see it a fall from grace.

 

He has a good tackle but sod all else in his game. Another one of those L1/average champ players we have kicking about the club. Go down for next year we can have him back and he'll be ok rotation. Stay up and he'll be gone because he cannot pass to save his life.

 

Can not pass to save his life.

 

Have you ever seen him play.? He never gives the ball away. Granted he doesn't make Hollywood balls every 5 minutes but he just plays simple 5 , 10 yard passes but always to a red shirt.

 

Last night Davis was shocking and never plays the easy ball and gives it away in terrible positions that then puts our defence under pressure for no necessary reason.

 

He is crap.

If are players are as good as most of you think them please explain why we are bottom of the league with 4 points and a shameful goal difference?

 

 

I know

 

 

It's all lallanas fault!!!

[Smirking_Saint]

After last night your really not convincing anyone that your very bright, this includes what you wrote on the cortese thread

[pingwing]

Can not pass to save his life.

 

Have you ever seen him play.? He never gives the ball away. Granted he doesn't make Hollywood balls every 5 minutes but he just plays simple 5 , 10 yard passes but always to a red shirt.

 

Last night Davis was shocking and never plays the easy ball and gives it away in terrible positions that then puts our defence under pressure for no necessary reason.

 

He is crap.

If are players are as good as most of you think them please explain why we are bottom of the league with 4 points and a shameful goal difference?

 

 

I know

 

 

It's all lallanas fault!!!

 

Dean can pass exactly 8 yards slightly behind him, think Davis is bad in the prem? Dean will cause us so many problems it'll be cringe worthy.

 

We are bottom because we have no confidence in the back 4, nothing to do with the midfield that can be fixed with Dean coming back.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

To be fair mate its only you and your few muppet followers who gang up on people if you don't agree what they post.

 

Your clueless and so is your boyfriend.

 

Anyone that can defend our teams performances is clearly off there rocker or just has ver low expectations .

 

 

You boys target anyone who has different opinions to you. No worse than playground bullies.

 

Well it's about time you woke up nipper and looked at the league table and realised that most our players are not up to it.

 

The table doesn't lie so I suggest you wake up.

 

 

For the record I couldn't give a toss if I convince anyone! Why do I care what you think

[Smirking_Saint]

I am fully aware that the team isnt up to it, and nor are a vast majority of the players on the team sheet. That said IMHO adkins should be making a much better hash of it than he currently is, firstly by attempting to make us hard to beat and secondly by shielding both full backs who do struggle defensively.

 

My point last night was it was far from Foxs worse game, Adam, Morgan, Davis and Gaston were all a long way poorer than him. Yet straight on lambasting a player who didnt realky deserve it.

 

It wasnt so much the NEED to have a pop at one of our players but the sensational idea that some below average NPC players could do a better job ?

 

Nobe of Sharp, Hammond or Harding would offer us any more than we have at the moment.

 

Get a grip

[Colinjb]

For the record I couldn't give a toss if I convince anyone! Why do I care what you think

 

Then, with respect, why share your opinion on a public forum?

 

For what it's worth I do feel it's a shame that Hammond, Harding and Sharp have been loaned out/let go, but having seen them play last season (and Hamster for longer) I truly do not feel they could offer any more then our current players.

 

Many of our existing players that have been more consistent performers previously are now struggling. Sometimes it is possible to get promoted beyond your ability, the premier league is a level beyond the players mentioned.

 

Harsh, but that's what ambition can do.

Edited 6 November, 2012 by Colinjb

[Saint_clark]

Another case of playing badly, so obviously the missing players are the answer.

 

Hammond is slow and his passing is limited. If Morgan and Davis are having trouble getting a grip of this league, Hammond would get taken to the cleaners. I actually thought he was fairly limited at Championship level last season, despite the leadership he brings to the team.

 

Indeed. The first 5 months of last season were probably the best performances of Hammonds career. The fact that he "only" looked above average at NPC level whilst playing at his absolute best tells us that he wouldn't have been able to keep up at this level, no matter how hard he tried.

 

HOWEVER - I actually think we miss his presence in the dressing room. Best captain we've had for a long, long time.

[Saint Charlie]

Hammond wad a good servant but isnt good enough at this level...by some distance.

[ottery st mary]

To be fair mate its only you and your few muppet followers who gang up on people if you don't agree what they post.

 

Your clueless and so is your boyfriend.

 

Anyone that can defend our teams performances is clearly off there rocker or just has ver low expectations .

 

 

You boys target anyone who has different opinions to you. No worse than playground bullies.

 

Well it's about time you woke up nipper and looked at the league table and realised that most our players are not up to it.

 

The table doesn't lie so I suggest you wake up.

 

 

For the record I couldn't give a toss if I convince anyone! Why do I care what you think

 

 

Bravo...well said .

 

Some bully posters on here with big handbags.

 

Willy Wonkers

[Matthew Le Tissier]

I am fully aware that the team isnt up to it, and nor are a vast majority of the players on the team sheet. That said IMHO adkins should be making a much better hash of it than he currently is, firstly by attempting to make us hard to beat and secondly by shielding both full backs who do struggle defensively.

 

My point last night was it was far from Foxs worse game, Adam, Morgan, Davis and Gaston were all a long way poorer than him. Yet straight on lambasting a player who didnt realky deserve it.

 

It wasnt so much the NEED to have a pop at one of our players but the sensational idea that some below average NPC players could do a better job ?

 

Nobe of Sharp, Hammond or Harding would offer us any more than we have at the moment.

 

Get a grip

 

 

And because you think this that must be right. What makes you think they couldn't do a job.

 

Lets be perfectly honest. You don't know this do you. It's just your opinion which you are perfectly intitled to.

 

However.

 

It doesn't mean your right.

[dubai_phil]

This thread and the OP are an absolute DISGRACE.

 

Clearly started by someone who knows NOTHING about modern football.

 

It is obvious that we have the solution within our existing ranks.

 

Richard Chaplow

 

IMHO We simply MUST start against Swansea with Chaplow & Lambert in the CM roles.

 

Rickie used to play there, it is time for him to stop being selfish and take on the role the team needs him for.

[captainchris]

I personally don't think he done alot wrong .

 

How come someone go from being the captain and first name on the team sheet to chucked out on loan in a matter of months.

 

He at least deserves a crack in the premier league

 

He is certainly no worse than what we have and has alot to offer either as a squad player or as a skipper if he could cut it.

 

I think if it was Adkins choice he would have him back tomorrow.

.

Wrong, it was Adkins choice he didn't rate him apparently...

[Supersubpuckett]

Into opinion we desperately miss Hammond .

 

He is so underrated .

 

Davis gives the ball away non stop , he's just not up to it.

 

Also we miss a captain and Hammond was a good skipper.

 

He's nothing flash and doesn't shine as a class player but he goes about his business and hardly ever gives the ball away.

 

I would like to see him given a crack in the prem just to see if he's up to it.

 

Bring on the back lash.

 

HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! he was barely up to it in the champ for christ sake - what we have is better than him. Park your sentimental shyte and get real.

[doddisalegend]

Indeed. The first 5 months of last season were probably the best performances of Hammonds career. The fact that he "only" looked above average at NPC level whilst playing at his absolute best tells us that he wouldn't have been able to keep up at this level, no matter how hard he tried.

 

HOWEVER - I actually think we miss his presence in the dressing room. Best captain we've had for a long, long time.

 

One of the reasons I think Kelvin is still getting on the bench on match days (but not in goal)

[doddisalegend]

HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! he was barely up to it in the champ for christ sake - what we have is better than him. Park your sentimental shyte and get real.

 

Footballing wise yes....... sadly they don't seem to have Hammonds Leadership (or balls) something were missing at the moment.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

This thread and the OP are an absolute DISGRACE.

 

Clearly started by someone who knows NOTHING about modern football.

 

It is obvious that we have the solution within our existing ranks.

 

 

 

Richard Chaplow

 

IMHO We simply MUST start against Swansea with Chaplow & Lambert in the CM roles.

 

Rickie used to play there, it is time for him to stop being selfish and take on the role the team needs him for.[/QUO

 

 

 

You complete clown

[S-Clarke]

Fail.

[melmacian_saint]

Tactically, I actually think Davis (and to a lesser extent Schneiderlin) misses Hammond more than the team itself, especially with Cork out.

 

I don't think Davis is a bad player at all, just think that he's often left too exposed and is unnecessarily forced to risk a pass. This happens because our so called wingers are in fact positioning themselves as 3rd and 4th strikers respectively, way too deep.

 

That I think is key in our game. In the Prem, you need mobility, especially of our attacking players. It's about defending and attacking with the 10 players, sometimes even the keeper. We play "by the book" positioning, and that only gets you through in the lower leagues with comparably better squads like we had.

[Ally Biggs]

What happened to Harding I think he would of done the job on the left

[RonManager]

What happened to Harding I think he would of done the job on the left

 

I keep trying to tell everyone on here that, but for some weird reason, they won't take me seriously.

 

Sigh.

[The boy done well]

Went to watch Bournemouth with a Brighton fan tonight. Ignoring the fact that I'm very glad we're out of League 1 (and that Barnard was pretty poor), he said that Deano had been a disappointment at Brighton. He was a big fan of his during his original time there but now thinks that he's little more than very average Championship, if that. I guess this is how he was for us last season. Nice Guy but struggling to make much of an an impression in the Championship and nowhere near Prem quality.

[corsacar saint]

Like Harding,Hammond was never ever good enough for the premier league,mind you that does apply to most of the current squad as well,some thing Gary Neville alluded to after the game last night. For those on here who do not like Gary Neville [ I personally admired him as a player,but not as a person,but have been surprised how good his manner and analysis are on the tv ] I think he is more qualified than most,to know a good player when he sees one.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Gary Neville talks a lot of sense and would make a great coach.

 

His experience is huge and he also can read a game like a book.

 

Very clever and I enjoy listening to him.

 

A few people on here could learn allot from him rather than slagging him off saying he knows **** all.

[Bailey]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that.

 

Hammond was a great servant for us and played a major role in our success over the past few seasons, but unfortunately he's not Premier League quality.

 

He's found his level in the Championship, and a good player he is in that division too.

 

I wish him all the best, but I don't think we'll see him in a Saints shirt again.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It's amazing how much better players become when they leave us and we are struggling. Can you imagine the up roar from supporters of Reading or Qpr if they "strengthen" their squads in January by signing Hammond,****ing Harding and Billy S.

 

ffs people need to get a grip. Just because some of our players don't appear to be good enough does not make others we've let go better. I'm waiting for the Surman and Oakley threads because its only a matter of time before the call goes out for them

[mitch01]

Neither Hammond or Chaplow are the answer. They have nowhere near enough technical ability for this league.

[alpine_saint]

Neither Hammond or Chaplow are the answer. They have nowhere near enough technical ability for this league.

 

Amazing how this glib comment keeps rolling off everyones tongue.

 

I am of the opinion that they would not have done worse than we have now in the form of Steven Davis, for example.

[alpine_saint]

It's amazing how much better players become when they leave us and we are struggling. Can you imagine the up roar from supporters of Reading or Qpr if they "strengthen" their squads in January by signing Hammond,****ing Harding and Billy S.

 

ffs people need to get a grip. Just because some of our players don't appear to be good enough does not make others we've let go better. I'm waiting for the Surman and Oakley threads because its only a matter of time before the call goes out for them

 

There have been regular periodic calls for Matt Oakley to return on here over the past few years. IMO, we already have one midfielder capable of putting in an Invisible Man act (Schneiderlin), and we dont need another.

 

My main beef about Deano and Billy is that werent even given the chance to try and up their game for this level. And whats replaced them is sh*te.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

100% correct

[shurlock]

Amazing how this glib comment keeps rolling off everyones tongue.

 

I am of the opinion that they would not have done worse than we have now in the form of Steven Davis, for example.

 

How many times have you seen Davis play? On the whole, he's pretty decent.

[JustMike]

There have been regular periodic calls for Matt Oakley to return on here over the past few years. IMO, we already have one midfielder capable of putting in an Invisible Man act (Schneiderlin), and we dont need another.

 

My main beef about Deano and Billy is that werent even given the chance to try and up their game for this level. And whats replaced them is sh*te.

 

I'm sorry, can't agree with the Morgan comment. Davis has been more of a disappointment imo. I really hoped he would give that little bit extra we needed in the centre but has been a bit of a let down.

[sydenhamssocks]

I am fully aware that the team isnt up to it, and nor are a vast majority of the players on the team sheet. That said IMHO adkins should be making a much better hash of it than he currently is, firstly by attempting to make us hard to beat and secondly by shielding both full backs who do struggle defensively.

 

My point last night was it was far from Foxs worse game, Adam, Morgan, Davis and Gaston were all a long way poorer than him. Yet straight on lambasting a player who didnt realky deserve it.

 

It wasnt so much the NEED to have a pop at one of our players but the sensational idea that some below average NPC players could do a better job ?

 

Nobe of Sharp, Hammond or Harding would offer us any more than we have at the moment.

 

Get a grip

 

It's not such a sensational idea.

Certain players regarded as, below prem standard, can sometimes use the challenge and opportunity of top flight football to raise their game above its normal level and achieve just as much as a billion dollar purchase. Their often combative style of play can be put to good use by a manager who's team is struggling a little and who needs an honest journeyman pro to step up to the mark.

A past example of this for us was Chris Marsden during the WGS era. A guy who played well above himself, did a great job for the team and walked out in an FA cup final at Cardiff to top it off.

The rush to spend lots of money very quickly isn't always the answer.

I thought Nigel might have been the type to give his promotion squad a chance, as many managers do.

As it stands, Our current league position would be no worse and the call for new purchases in January would be as loud as it is now !

Of course it can't work for everyone,but, the fact that Hammond, Harding and Sharp were written off before having the chance, may have been a bit short sighted.

[alpine_saint]

It's not such a sensational idea.

Certain players regarded as, below prem standard, can sometimes use the challenge and opportunity of top flight football to raise their game above its normal level and achieve just as much as a billion dollar purchase. Their often combative style of play can be put to good use by a manager who's team is struggling a little and who needs an honest journeyman pro to step up to the mark.

A past example of this for us was Chris Marsden during the WGS era. A guy who played well above himself, did a great job for the team and walked out in an FA cup final at Cardiff to top it off.

The rush to spend lots of money very quickly isn't always the answer.

I thought Nigel might have been the type to give his promotion squad a chance, as many managers do.

As it stands, Our current league position would be no worse and the call for new purchases in January would be as loud as it is now !

Of course it can't work for everyone,but, the fact that Hammond, Harding and Sharp were written off before having the chance, may have been a bit short sighted.

 

This is a great post.

[The Kraken]

Of course it can't work for everyone,but, the fact that Hammond, Harding and Sharp were written off before having the chance, may have been a bit short sighted.

I can kind of understand Billy Sharp going (even despite him having a very good pre-season). Lambert #1 striker, Rodriguez pushing for that, Tadanari Lee coming back from injury and Mayuka in, Billy would in all likelihood have been 5th choice striker in a team that were looking to play 1 up front.

 

Harding; I don't understand why we let him go when we had no realistic left back cover. Stupid, really. I don't think he's quite good enough for the PL, but he'd have been a better option than Yoshida, that's for certain.

 

Hammond, very much agree. Again, not sure he's the answer for a PL team as a starter, but as a reserve he could have been vital. At times we could/should have been playing with 3 proper CMs and with Cork injured we've only had JWP to rely on, which is a big ask for a youngster. If Hammond had been available for the United game I wonder if his introduction to add a bit more bite into CM and nullify Scholes would have made the difference. We'll never know, but again I think it was a silly move to let him go.