rumours of Adkins being Sacked

[Turkish]

Can you quantify what you mean by "football matters" and prove Cortese's meddling where he shouldn't?

 

I didn't say he was "meddling" did I? I said you would hope a CEO with a background in banking would leave football matters, which he clearly knows FA about, to people who he has employed to do this job. Which is why i fail to see why the excuse "the chairman is learning" should have nothing to do with on the field results. he shouldn't have anythign to do with them!! As i said in another post. I'm sure Andy Crosby didn't tell him what bank to go for for the loan.

[ottery st mary]

Daily Mail..make up story on a guess...

 

Cortese out of the country:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Talking to Messi and Ronaldo:p

[doddisalegend]

Looks like the mail have caught wind of somthing ?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228682/Nigel-Adkins-Southampton-talks-future.html

 

I like this bit from that article

 

Southampton hardly splashed the cash in the summer, or sign players with proven Premier League experience, but they did add to their squad for the top flight.

 

 

30 million isn't splashing the cash:scared:

[Chez]

What really p isses me off is that we never hear anything from Cortese,he never speaks to the fans.

not sure I'm that bothered to be honest, so long as he is talking to the manager. Actions speak louder than words. Unfortunately some of his actions have annoyed me, but moaning about ticket prices and taxes gets short shrift on here, you're only allowed to moan about missing left backs.

[Colinjb]

Daily Mail..make up story on a guess...

 

Cortese out of the country:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Talking to Messi and Ronaldo:p

 

Not nearly enough managerial experience.

[the stain]

Or alternatively, two judgemental ones.

 

In my judgement, they are excellent.

[Doctoroncall]

Alan Nixon got everything wrong about us, and this is negative news, so I'm filing it in the "bullsh*t from lying journo" pile.

 

Thats so typical of this forum to dismiss this type of rumour out of hand. Be it today, tomorrow or another day, Adkins will be gone. FACT.

[notnowcato]

I didn't say he was "meddling" did I? I said you would hope a CEO with a background in banking would leave football matters, which he clearly knows FA about, to people who he has employed to do this job. Which is why i fail to see why the excuse "the chairman is learning" should have nothing to do with on the field results. he shouldn't have anythign to do with them!! As i said in another post. I'm sure Andy Crosby didn't tell him what bank to go for for the loan.

 

So what "footballing matters" is Cortese involving himself with that you think he shouldn't? More importantly can you prove it?

[trousers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228682/Nigel-Adkins-Southampton-talks-future.html

 

Southampton boss Nigel Adkins is locked in crunch talks over his future with the Barclays Premier League's bottom club.

Sportsmail understands Adkins is already resigned to the fact he will lose his job, and the likeable Liverpudlian could be gone as early as today, meaning he is set to lose his job before the weekend clash against Swansea after the newly-promoted side's poor start to the campaign.

Executive chairman Nicola Cortese is said to be furious with the Saints' sorry start and last night's 2-0 defeat against West Bromwich Albion was the final straw.

Southampton chiefs have been locked in meetings with regards to Adkins future and it now seems inevitable that the ex-S****horpe boss will be axed sooner rather than later.

 

edit: sorry for the repeat post, just saw that someone beat me to it by 15 minutes

Edited 6 November, 2012 by trousers

[St Marco]

Sad if true but you can't really say it isn't surprising really. The club is bigger then anyone person and with the amount of cash we have spent and would lose out on next season I can see it happening soon. Sometimes managers from lower leagues struggle in the pl. It is the hardest league in the world where mistakes are punished. Based on the first 5 games I thought we would do okay and Adkins would learn. But based on the last 8 especially the last 3 I just don't see how he can change it around. The players themselves look lost, the formation is all over the place. We must have played every formation there is last night...

 

The problem with Adkins is he is too nice for the PL. He is too positive and polite. When your dealing with young multi-millionaires you can't be their friends, you can't be all positive with them 24/7. Every now and then you need to be ruthless and tear someone a new one. I worry Adkins doesn't have that side to him. Someone could play terrible for months and deserve a mass shoe/cup of tea flinging and he wouldn't do it, would rather say it is about the team rather then the individual.

In my view if he does get sacked then the players are to blame. A few of them need to take a long hard look at themselves and start putting in better performances.

 

Regardless of what happens will always appreciate everything Adkins has done for us but I want the club to be as successful as possible. I did not pay almost a grand just to see us go straight back down. I want the club to be the best it can be and if Adkins cannot take it to that next level then sorry someone has to come in who can. Those saying we should stick with him and go down then bounce back up need to remember how long it took us to get back here....it isn't as simple as saying we will come straight back up. Relegation has a huge knock on effect. Our players will leave, Lallana,Rickie,Gaston,Morgan, etc. We will lose them all. We must stay up at all costs imo.

[alpine_saint]

not sure I'm that bothered to be honest, so long as he is talking to the manager.

 

Yes, this.

 

Like Golden Balls, I am glad NC doesnt hog the limelight like Lowe did.

[alpine_saint]

Sad if true but you can't really say it isn't surprising really. The club is bigger then anyone person and with the amount of cash we have spent and would lose out on next season I can see it happening soon. Sometimes managers from lower leagues struggle in the pl. It is the hardest league in the world where mistakes are punished. Based on the first 5 games I thought we would do okay and Adkins would learn. But based on the last 8 especially the last 3 I just don't see how he can change it around. The players themselves look lost, the formation is all over the place. We must have played every formation there is last night...

 

The problem with Adkins is he is too nice for the PL. He is too positive and polite. When your dealing with young multi-millionaires you can't be their friends, you can't be all positive with them 24/7. Every now and then you need to be ruthless and tear someone a new one. I worry Adkins doesn't have that side to him. Someone could play terrible for months and deserve a mass shoe/cup of tea flinging and he wouldn't do it, would rather say it is about the team rather then the individual.

In my view if he does get sacked then the players are to blame. A few of them need to take a long hard look at themselves and start putting in better performances.

 

Regardless of what happens will always appreciate everything Adkins has done for us but I want the club to be as successful as possible. I did not pay almost a grand just to see us go straight back down. I want the club to be the best it can be and if Adkins cannot take it to that next level then sorry someone has to come in who can. Those saying we should stick with him and go down then bounce back up need to remember how long it took us to get back here....it isn't as simple as saying we will come straight back up. Relegation has a huge knock on effect. Our players will leave, Lallana,Rickie,Gaston,Morgan, etc. We will lose them all. We must stay up at all costs imo.

 

Good post St. Marco.

 

But part of me is simply past caring. Maybe the grunge of the Championship is preferable.

[SO5 4BW]

It'd just be one more cliched steretype of a non-descript club with pathetic fans to be honest. Moan all summer after promotion, moan about signings, moan about losing to better sides, lie about your expectations, get on players backs immediately, show zero loyalty to anyone that helped get the club up, see keeper and defensive changes make the mess worse, but demand more change, write off everything before christmas then sack a good young manager.

 

Be sure to keep up the predictable drivel by giving the new manager a week to sign the 11 new players you want, then moan about taking too long to gel, not signing them quick enough, not using the players from before you now think weren't so bad and wondering why no-one getting paid lots actually seems to give two fcks about your club. If he does perform and keep the club up, be sure to get on your high horse about loyalty when the manager leaves for a better job or players demand transfers.

 

Such a shame those promotions have produced so many depressingly ungrateful and relentlessly predictable 'supporters'. I'd say enjoy the season but win, lose or draw, you won't.

 

Quite agree - nobody seems to take the long view. Adkins is the best manager we've had here for ages. Let him learn with us, I don't care if it means him taking us down and back up again.

 

Memories are short - earlier this year I walked into the 'Obelisk' in Woolston after a game, I remember chatting with another fan, both amazed at how the team were playing. He said 'the only thing that can stop us is if they give Nigel the England job when Capello leaves'. He wasn't joking, I didn't see anything surprising. Adkins will be a top drawer manager somewhere - hope it's with us

 

Also - we desperately need some stability. Last Saints manager to do two successive full seasons? Dave Jones. Last manager to be in charge for 100 league games? Branfoot. All that chopping and changing really hasn't helped

 

Glad that the fans last night seemed to be behind him. Really hope he stays

[Turkish]

So what "footballing matters" is Cortese involving himself with that you think he shouldn't? More importantly can you prove it?

 

Are you deliberately being dense?

 

Where have i said he was involving himself in footballing matters? I've said people saying we are struggling because the CEO is learning the job are talking nonsense because him learning his job should have NOTHING to do with what happens on the pitch. He has people employed to take care of football matters, like he takes care of fiancial ones.

 

It really isn't difficult to understand. Is that clear enough for you? No mention of Cortese involving himself in football matters whatsoever.

[KK the 2nd]

NA to be Saints manager at end od season now 9/1 with Betvictor. Looks like he's gone.

[DT]

NA to be Saints manager at end od season now 9/1 with Betvictor. Looks like he's gone.

Think I'd agree if it was 500-1, but even then it just shows weight of bets...

[Saint_clark]

Quite agree - nobody seems to take the long view. Adkins is the best manager we've had here for ages. Let him learn with us, I don't care if it means him taking us down and back up again.

 

 

Absolutely agree. I will be gutted if he is sacked, and sadly the only person I can see Cortese wanting to go for is Redknapp. If that happens I will not go to another game.

[KK the 2nd]

Think I'd agree if it was 500-1, but even then it just shows weight of bets...

The reverse of this market is NA not to be in charge at 1/20 or 1.05 in decimal odds. Maybe that is clearer? Also the odds have tumbled on NA being first manager to be sacked and now as low as 1/4 or 1.25 with Mark Hughes out in betting to 5/1. Looks a gonna to me.

[doddisalegend]

It'd just be one more cliched steretype of a non-descript club with pathetic fans to be honest. Moan all summer after promotion, moan about signings, moan about losing to better sides, lie about your expectations, get on players backs immediately, show zero loyalty to anyone that helped get the club up, see keeper and defensive changes make the mess worse, but demand more change, write off everything before christmas then sack a good young manager.

 

Be sure to keep up the predictable drivel by giving the new manager a week to sign the 11 new players you want, then moan about taking too long to gel, not signing them quick enough, not using the players from before you now think weren't so bad and wondering why no-one getting paid lots actually seems to give two fcks about your club. If he does perform and keep the club up, be sure to get on your high horse about loyalty when the manager leaves for a better job or players demand transfers.

 

Such a shame those promotions have produced so many depressingly ungrateful and relentlessly predictable 'supporters'. I'd say enjoy the season but win, lose or draw, you won't.

 

That's right its all the fans fault...that is your favorite theme after all. Did the fans change the defense and keeper? Do the fans hire and fire managers? Was it the fans decsion to show "loyalty" to players like Sharp and Hammond? Do the fans make the signings?

[Colinjb]

He made the appointment in April 2010, he's had over 2 years to correctt he mistake. He isn't learning very quickly is he!!!

 

Now! Thats another topic entirely! haha

[Saint_clark]

The reverse of this market is NA not to be in charge at 1/20 or 1.05 in decimal odds. Maybe that is clearer? Also the odds have tumbled on NA being first manager to be sacked and now as low as 1/4 or 1.25 with Mark Hughes out in betting to 5/1. Looks a gonna to me.

 

That will just be because of a sudden rush of bets due to the rumours this morning. I hardly pay any attention to odds in situations like this, except when someone has come completely out of nowhere and is suddenly the favourite.

[doddisalegend]

Quite agree - nobody seems to take the long view. Adkins is the best manager we've had here for ages. Let him learn with us, I don't care if it means him taking us down and back up again.

Memories are short - earlier this year I walked into the 'Obelisk' in Woolston after a game, I remember chatting with another fan, both amazed at how the team were playing. He said 'the only thing that can stop us is if they give Nigel the England job when Capello leaves'. He wasn't joking, I didn't see anything surprising. Adkins will be a top drawer manager somewhere - hope it's with us

 

Also - we desperately need some stability. Last Saints manager to do two successive full seasons? Dave Jones. Last manager to be in charge for 100 league games? Branfoot. All that chopping and changing really hasn't helped

 

Glad that the fans last night seemed to be behind him. Really hope he stays

 

Easy to say when you're not a chairman looking at losing 60+ million in PL money if we get relegated. Nigel has been great for us I'd love him to turn it round and lead us to glories over the next how ever many years........ but If I was NC losing all that PL cash would be playing on my mind a great deal.

[notnowcato]

Are you deliberately being dense?

 

Where have i said he was involving himself in footballing matters? I've said people saying we are struggling because the CEO is learning the job are talking nonsense because him learning his job should have NOTHING to do with what happens on the pitch. He has people employed to take care of football matters, like he takes care of fiancial ones.

 

Vitriol aside - can you not see the link between performance on the pitch and recruitment off it? I assumed that it was a given for a CEO to be involved financial agreements and litigation of transfers so I was curious to know if there were other footballing matters that the CEO was involving himself with.

[Saint_clark]

Easy to say when you're not a chairman looking at losing 60+ million in PL money if we get relegated. Nigel has been great for us I'd love him to turn it round and lead us to glories over the next how ever many years........ but If I was NC losing all that PL cash would be playing on my mind a great deal.

 

You can't lose what you never had.

[Wade Garrett]

Absolutely agree. I will be gutted if he is sacked, and sadly the only person I can see Cortese wanting to go for is Redknapp. If that happens I will not go to another game.

 

Why not, Harry will be able to give you a lift!

[doddisalegend]

You can't lose what you never had.

 

Personally I've never hidden my dislike of the PL rather be in the football league all the way... But do really think NC isn't bothered about us being relegated from the PL and losing all that it entails having worked so hard to get here? If things don't improve quickly I just can't see Nigel not getting the sack.

 

Do I want him sacked? No but I'm big enough understand that is how modern football works.

[Saint Lindford]

Good. I'd rather go down with him in charge, and give him another year. If he doesn't look as if he will bring us back up, that is the time to sack him. We're trying to build a long term successful club here ...not just a vehicle for some temporary mercenary. That means trusting and supporting someone, even if they have a poor spell.

 

Some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves. Well done to the fans singing his name last night btw.

 

Absolutely

[Saint_clark]

Personally I've never hidden my dislike of the PL rather be in the football league all the way... But do really think NC isn't bothered about us being relegated from the PL and losing all that it entails having worked so hard to get here? If things don't improve quickly I just can't see Nigel not getting the sack.

 

Do I want him sacked? No but I'm big enough understand that is how modern football works.

 

No you're right, he probably is thinking about the money - but if so then I wish he would look at the bigger picture as well. No-one at our club is going to throw a paddy and refuse to play if we go down, from day one we've always talked about bringing in players with the right mentality - so if we keep our group together then we can try again with more money and an extra years experience. Sack Adkins and go down, new manager will want to completely overhaul the team.

[KK the 2nd]

That will just be because of a sudden rush of bets due to the rumours this morning. I hardly pay any attention to odds in situations like this, except when someone has come completely out of nowhere and is suddenly the favourite.

If it is without substance then there's real value in backing him to stay or Hughes to be sacked first.

 

By the way, I would love him to stay and see us through this sticky patch. In my opinion he's the best manager we have had since Lawrie Mac. Just pointing out what's happening in the betting markets.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

In my judgement, they are excellent.

 

To be fair, that just shows that they are judgemental crap.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Thats so typical of this forum to dismiss this type of rumour out of hand. Be it today, tomorrow or another day, Adkins will be gone. FACT.

 

I think he was being sarcastic...

[Appy]

Be prepared.

[latter day saint]

Be prepared.

as in "Sky Sports understands.... " be prepared or actual fact ?

[Colinjb]

It's the wait...... so tense.

 

I think we all know what's coming... and so many of us hoping it won't

[sunrise]

We could appoint any manager on the planet, but it doesn't change a thing - the side we have are not good enough to stay up.

[Saint_clark]

We could appoint any manager on the planet, but it doesn't change a thing - the side we have are not good enough to stay up.

 

Honestly I think with two strong CBs we would be able to hold our own.

[yorkiesaint]

This has to happen.

 

We have the second worse defence in premier league history.

 

If we continue at this rate, we will finish the season on 15 points.

 

We are completely disorganised when we don't have the ball.

 

Our new signings aren't improving the team enough, or at all.

 

whether adkins or les reed or both go I don't care, but something has to change.

[aintforever]

Honestly I think with two strong CBs we would be able to hold our own.

 

At this rate it will be too late by January.

[Wade Garrett]

We could appoint any manager on the planet, but it doesn't change a thing - the side we have are not good enough to stay up.

 

I firmly believe the team could at least be harder to beat by being better organised.

[doddisalegend]

I firmly believe the team could at least be harder to beat by being better organised.

 

Yep they look short of confidence and disorganised...if we go down lets go down fighting

[View From The Top]

Yep they look short of confidence and disorganised...if we go down lets go down fighting

 

It's the lack of spirit & fight that really alarms me and no matter how we feel about NA if he can't restore that then there is no point in him remaining.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I firmly believe the team could at least be harder to beat by being better organised.

 

Definitely. Tactical naivity in the Premiership is punished severely.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's the lack of spirit & fight that really alarms me and no matter how we feel about NA if he can't restore that then there is no point in him remaining.

 

People have said this. I'm not sure there is a lack of fight, but I think the team is lacking confidence, and it is more difficult to fight in that position. I think they want to do well, but are lacking the confidence/ability to do it currently.

[View From The Top]

Definitely. Tactical naivity in the Premiership is punished severely.

 

So is lack of ability. Alas we deficient in both.

[doddisalegend]

It's the lack of spirit & fight that really alarms me and no matter how we feel about NA if he can't restore that then there is no point in him remaining.

 

It's like a different team from last season....confidence plays a part but maybe when we shipped out some of the less gifted footballers we also shipped out the guts and hardwork side of the team?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So is lack of ability. Alas we deficient in both.

 

Oh yeah, there is no-one that is a bigger advocate of that than me (see my thread about a lack of 'quality activity' in which I got lambasted for being worried about the players we had brought in compared to other clubs).

[The Kraken]

Is "lambasted" the new "shouted down"? Hope so.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Is "lambasted" the new "shouted down"? Hope so.

 

I had been dumbing down for others on the forum...

[Professor]

Maybe sacking Adkins would cover Cortese's back and probably we would do better with a manager with more top flight experience but it seems to me the real problem is the number of players in the squad who are not PL standard. I'm not sure how much of that is down to Adkins and in the end a manager can only work with what he's got if the chairman will not release the funds. £30m is not a huge spend and it wasn't enough to transform a good Championship side into a Prem team.

We all know the weakness is in defence where Adkins said early on that that he wanted two Centre Backs. On the strength of that he loaned out his 3rd choice - Martin - and was going to loan out Seaborne. In the end we got one CB - Yoshida - for £2m. Hardly a big spend and not until after the season had started. The league table tells its oiwn story that Fonte/Yoshida are a weak pairing and that it is no better when Hooiveld plays. The Japanese experiment has not worked, I'd rather have Billy Sharp in the side than Tadanari Lee, and I'd say we need to do what Redknapp did when he almost kept us in the Prem in 2005 by signing 5 new players in January. For me that would be CBx2, LB, RW, DMF all to be first choice players and a transfer budget of £50m (payablee by instalments and if we go down players can be sold to recoup some of the spend).

[Turkish]

Is "lambasted" the new "shouted down"? Hope so.

 

being shouted down on a mongboard has got to be on everyones bucket list.