Armitage Shanks Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Good. I'd rather go down with him in charge, and give him another year. If he doesn't look as if he will bring us back up, that is the time to sack him. We're trying to build a long term successful club here ...not just a vehicle for some temporary mercenary. That means trusting and supporting someone, even if they have a poor spell. Some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves. Well done to the fans singing his name last night btw. Spot on Ken. Lets not revert to what we were a few years back. If we go down then we go down but with a lot of cash in the bank. I cannot think of a better manager than Nige to get us back up. Lets not give him to someone else so they can benefit from what he has learned with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Quite right. I think Ken has forgotten that changing manager will definitely ensure our survival this season. not changing it looks like it wont...and in record time too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Good. I'd rather go down with him in charge, and give him another year. If he doesn't look as if he will bring us back up, that is the time to sack him. We're trying to build a long term successful club here ...not just a vehicle for some temporary mercenary. That means trusting and supporting someone, even if they have a poor spell. Some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves. Well done to the fans singing his name last night btw. Totally agree Ken. Dumping Nigel now would be a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 maybe wotte could have if he had the money adkins did...we were happy NOT to give him a chance Come on guys , listen to Jamie. He is always spot on about managers and their abilities. After all, Wotte did keep us up, didn't he???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 if we go down..and by some huge miracle nigel starts the season as a saints manager and gets us back up..we would then have to change manager as he is clearly showing that he is not up to it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 if we go down..and by some huge miracle nigel starts the season as a saints manager and gets us back up..we would then have to change manager as he is clearly showing that he is not up to it.... And who said he wouldn't learn from his experience this season?! We owe him some loyalty if we expect it from anyone else. The players or any other manager in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Adkins heavily backed for Blackpool job http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10028958.Adkins_heavily_backed_for_Blackpool_job/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 if we go down..and by some huge miracle nigel starts the season as a saints manager and gets us back up..we would then have to change manager as he is clearly showing that he is not up to it.... He's had 10 games, the guy deserves more than that at this level with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 And who said he wouldn't learn from his experience this season?! We owe him some loyalty if we expect it from anyone else. The players or any other manager in the future. why do we owe him loyalty...the club owes it to the owners, the people that would lose their jobs (every day staff) to stay up.....not so the fans can feel all fuzzy about a nice man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Are we going into admin Jamie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 It will be sad when he goes, but unfortunately in THIS football world there is no room for sentiment. We have been poor this season, and Adkins has got to take the majority of the blame. I just wished we had done this earlier, then perhaps we may have gained points from the last 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 why do we owe him loyalty...the club owes it to the owners, the people that would lose their jobs (every day staff) to stay up.....not so the fans can feel all fuzzy about a nice man Who's losing their jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 maybe wotte could have if he had the money adkins did...we were happy NOT to give him a chance Maybe, maybe not. But Wotte had no track record of building successful sides for us, several years of success. It's not a case of never sacking a manager ever, but if a manager has been brilliant for us for the last couple of years, there's still a pretty good chance they will continue to be good for us rather than judging them on a couple of very tough months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Who's losing their jobs? The Premiership programme sellers for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 and Adkins has got to take the majority of the blame. Really what about the people that made the signings? Adkins has been stitched by a power hungry loon that's in charge of the club, sad people can't see beyond the Cortese as savior thing since it's becoming more and more apparent what an arse he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I really want Nigel to succeed at the club, he has been one the best managers we have had in years and the football we played last season was the best I have seen us play (been a fan since 2002). However its obvious its not working this season, after a good start, and with the players we have we should be higher in the rankings. If the club decide to change manager this is the time, we aren't far of mid table and a new manager will need to get to know the squad and decide were he wants to strengthen the team, before the transfer market opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The Premiership programme sellers for one. Don't worry FYEO will snap them up. Recession strippers are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Really what about the people that made the signings? Adkins has been stitched by a power hungry loon that's in charge of the club, sad people can't see beyond the Cortese as savior thing since it's becoming more and more apparent what an arse he is. yep and anyone who dared to say this in the past has been jumped on as having an "agenda" Nigel is carrying the can for the faliure of others. It's very sad to see it. He's made mistakes but where we are is as much to do with others as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Really what about the people that made the signings? Adkins has been stitched by a power hungry loon that's in charge of the club, sad people can't see beyond the Cortese as savior thing since it's becoming more and more apparent what an arse he is. This. It's worrying others don't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 All this really depends on what Nigel asked for and what he was given. I find it incredible that we spent £20M (TWENTY MILLION) on Gaston and Jay-Rod and find ourselves so weak at the back... Think what £10m could have bought you at left back, centre back, in goal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Having played 8 of the top 9, I will be massively annoyed if Adkins gets the boot before the Norwich match. If we've not picked up 7 points or more from the next 4 games, yeah, maybe we're just not good enough. As it stands at the moment, we're just not good enough to beat the teams in the top half, and I was pretty sure that would be the case anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 yep and anyone who dared to say this in the past has been jumped on as having an "agenda" Nigel is carrying the can for the faliure of others. It's very sad to see it. He's made mistakes but where we are is as much to do with others as him. What i can't believe is whenever something bad comes out about cortese people bury their heads in the sand and attack the man saying it - see the ollie lancashire thread - it's getting to the stage where it reminds me of the skates singing mandrics name. Anyone close to the club has known for a long time what he's like, it's just that his failings have been masked by success, now we're failing more are seeing what's happening but in my opinion it may be too little too late worryingly. I just hope to god we haven't gambled as much of the club as people suggest on staying up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 more faux journalism, everyone's heard rumours but no one's named a source. it's just look at me tactics on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 if we go down..and by some huge miracle nigel starts the season as a saints manager and gets us back up..we would then have to change manager as he is clearly showing that he is not up to it.... Not necessarily so, we'd have to buy more quality players. Period. We're still using the basis of a squad from league 1 promotion. Staying in the premier league is notoriously difficult, we may well need to become a yo yo club to improve the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I'm supporting Nigel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 All this really depends on what Nigel asked for and what he was given. I find it incredible that we spent £20M (TWENTY MILLION) on Gaston and Jay-Rod and find ourselves so weak at the back... Think what £10m could have bought you at left back, centre back, in goal... According to one complete lunatic on the match thread last night; there's no chance we could have got a left back, centre back and central midfielder better than we have for the amount of money we spent on Ramirez. Its insane how deluded some people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 This. It's worrying others don't see it Totally this. It's not worrying though it's entirely predictable. If it does all blow up though they will be saying things like hindsight is a wonderful thing like they have with other issues such as our defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 (edited) Devils advocate hat on for a moment... Is Cortese allowed to make mistakes the same as Adkins is? I'm thinking the horlicks of a summer recruitment drive that has left us desperately short of quality in defensive positions. Are there not certain parallels between their 2 careers achievements with us? Edited 6 November, 2012 by notnowcato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 What i can't believe is whenever something bad comes out about cortese people bury their heads in the sand and attack the man saying it - see the ollie lancashire thread - it's getting to the stage where it reminds me of the skates singing mandrics name. Anyone close to the club has known for a long time what he's like, it's just that his failings have been masked by success, now we're failing more are seeing what's happening but in my opinion it may be too little too late worryingly. I just hope to god we haven't gambled as much of the club as people suggest on staying up! Totally agree. It was dubbed the Cult of Cortese as a joke but it is almost how it is. Some people just cant bare to hear anything bad said about him, however small. Immediately they go on the attack at the person who said it. They blindly trot out the "In Cortese we trust" mantra and demand proof whilst anything positve i lauded as being amazing. It is almost cultlike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Devils advocate hat on for a moment... Is Cortese allowed to make mistakes the same as Adkins is? I'm thinking the horlicks of a summer recruitment drive that has left us desperately short of quality in defensive positions. Are there not certain parallels between there 2 careers achievements with us? The whole club is learning as it grows. But of course, as Cortese seemingly isn't a likable chap he's not allowed the same courtesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Totally this. It's not worrying though it's entirely predictable. If it does all blow up though they will be saying things like hindsight is a wonderful thing like they have with other issues such as our defence. The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The whole club is learning as it grows. But of course, as Cortese seemingly isn't a likable chap he's not allowed the same courtesy. He's the CEO. He has had three years experience in football and is a banker who knew nothing about the game when he joined us. Surely you would surround yourself with people who know what they are doing? Experienced people, that he would listen too, apart from Les Reed who else is there that he listens to and takes advice from? The excuse that the club is learning is quite frankly a load of boll*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. To be fair we did all know the defence wasn't good enough, the only doubt in it was on if Kelvin could perform or not. Sad to see the answer was not. Jay Rod was to me one of the strangest signings of the summer and smacked of a small child wanting his toy no matter what (given we'd been refused in the championship). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Not necessarily so, we'd have to buy more quality players. Period. We're still using the basis of a squad from league 1 promotion. Staying in the premier league is notoriously difficult, we may well need to become a yo yo club to improve the squad. Why didn't Norwich or Swansea or Wigan need to be a yoyo club? Very rarely, ever does. Manager take a team down from the prem and survive the next season...let alone bounce straight back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The whole club is learning as it grows. But of course, as Cortese seemingly isn't a likable chap he's not allowed the same courtesy. He is allowed to make mistakes. No issue with that. I take issue when he blames NA for HIS mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 He's the CEO. He has had three years experience in football and is a banker who knew nothing about the game when he joined us. Surely you would surround yourself with people who know what they are doing? Experienced people, that he would listen too, apart from Les Reed who else is there that he listens to and takes advice from? The excuse that the club is learning is quite frankly a load of boll*cks. You've contradicted yourself. How is it b*llocks when you've confirmed that he has a direct advisor? He has clearly taken measures to remedy the situation, yet as with all business, he will take time to get things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 He is allowed to make mistakes. No issue with that. I take issue when he blames NA for HIS mistakes Where has he done that? Adkins is still the manager and still desperately wants to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. Don't forget adriansfc and others laughing at those of us who said there was a big difference between the top of the npc and the lower half of the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCitySaint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 It is strange, but the BBC World News ticker was stating 30 minutes ago that Nigel Adkins has 'become the first casualty of the Premier League season.' But then checking all the other news websites there is nothing so maybe they just jumped the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. I bet you can't find two posts from the same poster to back up that ascertainmode> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. I will put my hands up and say that I thought a number of players (Fonte, Jos and Fox) would be good enough to compete.... BUT... I wasn't counting on Jos losing the plot - by his own admission! Fonte actually hasn't been too bad. Fox I just called wrong. He has been hopeless. Which I am very disappointed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 He's the CEO. He has had three years experience in football and is a banker who knew nothing about the game when he joined us. Surely you would surround yourself with people who know what they are doing? Experienced people, that he would listen too, apart from Les Reed who else is there that he listens to and takes advice from? The excuse that the club is learning is quite frankly a load of boll*cks. To be fair I don't think you or anyone on this board can answer this "question" that you pose. And to be even fairer to Cortese he would have forgotten more about sports finance than you or pretty much anyone else on this board could claim to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 The revsision of history on here is spectacular. From "the defenders we have are good enough, they should be allowed to prove themselves in the PL" in the summer and denigrating anyone who said otherwise and pointed out that we didn't prioritise signing defenders; to all of a sudden "well we all knew the defence wasn't strong enough". Its quite incredible, really. How can you be so laid-back about the abuse received ? Every...f**king...summer. Every one. Except maybe when Pardew took over. The club totally neglects the defence, then maybe gets an inkling in pre-season that there might be an issue, then runs round like headless chickens trying to address it. Only this season, imo, we didnt even do that last step. For me, this summer is the worst example of this I've seen since that Scottish drunken **** actually started a season with no signed central defenders and we got mullered by an average Crystal Palace side. And every...f**king...summer, we received the same abuse from the same suspects, and are told the reinforcements will inevitably come before the window closes, along with all that utter, utter crap about all activity happens in the last 1 minute 26 seconds before the window shuts because each club needs to understand what they've go and where they strengthen before deciding who to release. Here's a thought. If we really want to bounce back to the PL next season (and to be frank, I dont..), lets take our destiny in our own hands and sign the f**king players we need, not what becomes available when 50-odd other teams have finally sorted THEIR squads out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Really what about the people that made the signings? Adkins has been stitched by a power hungry loon that's in charge of the club, sad people can't see beyond the Cortese as savior thing since it's becoming more and more apparent what an arse he is. I said majority...you can't say that the majority of the blame lies with those who made the signings. That doesn't include all the strange selections, tactics and substitutions. And I don't think Cortese is the saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 How can you be so laid-back about the abuse received ? Because I knew I was right at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 According to one complete lunatic on the match thread last night; there's no chance we could have got a left back, centre back and central midfielder better than we have for the amount of money we spent on Ramirez. Its insane how deluded some people are. It would have been nice if we'd bought all of them, no reason why we couldn't have, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Don't forget adriansfc and others laughing at those of us who said there was a big difference between the top of the npc and the lower half of the Premiership. But there isn't! The truth is with the right set-up we whipped Villa. We were just beaten by United and City with us gifting both teams goals. What's different is we are being punished for mistakes we got away with last year. Every one! And we're making more of them. Often under no pressure... But to be fair, you cannot compare Everton with the top of the NPC. I still maintain there is not much between us and the teams ACTUALLY in the bottom half of the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I know the club doesn´t reply on rumours etc - but for once a denial on Twitter saying this is just bull would be an OK move from the club now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I said majority...you can't say that the majority of the blame lies with those who made the signings. That doesn't include all the strange selections, tactics and substitutions.And I don't think Cortese is the saviour. I'm still waiting for ONE instance of a strange selection, tactic or substitution that can't be explained by simple logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 He is allowed to make mistakes. No issue with that. I take issue when he blames NA for HIS mistakes Genuine question - where has NC done this? Or is it implied IF Nigel is sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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