Cortese

[Saint86]

Oh god. I have big thumbs :'(

[Window Cleaner]

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The reason we are in the position we are is down to Adkins, he's out of his depth. Anyone who thinks NC picks the team/tactics is seriously deluded. NC may not be popular, but he's successful. That's what this industry is about

 

 

Of course Cortese doesn't pick the team, that's just a dumbass theory dreamt up by those who refuse to accept that NA doesn't really know what he's doing.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

This thing about Cortese taking a loan 'against future income'.

 

Granted, my knowledge of the finance world and the nuances of loans is at best, severely limited.

 

But, surely, by definition any loan anyone takes out anywhere ever, is on the basis of future income? i.e. to alleviate cash flow problems, I take sum 'x' now, and pay this back with future income over term 'y'? No?

[Smirking_Saint]

Of course Cortese doesn't pick the team, that's just a dumbass theory dreamt up by those who refuse to accept that NA doesn't really know what he's doing.

 

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[The Kraken]

This thing about Cortese taking a loan 'against future income'.

 

Granted, my knowledge of the finance world and the nuances of loans is at best, severely limited.

 

But, surely, by definition any loan anyone takes out anywhere ever, is on the basis of future income? i.e. to alleviate cash flow problems, I take sum 'x' now, and pay this back with future income over term 'y'? No?

 

The loan has been secured against future income AND the assets of Southampton FC.

[Viking Warrior]

NC is the man for the job at St Mary's. He shows total integrity conducting the business of Saints FC .

Instead of disecting every aspect of the chairman try getting behind the club for a change.

Did I really see a negative thred on Garston.

 

Im not happy with the way we are playng at present , we are exposed down the wing and we need to sort that out asap.

Also some of hour passing against WBA was a bit poor , we need to be more decisive with our passing and kick the ball harder

 

SCome on you reds lets get back to winning ways this week end

[shirleysfc]

Of course Cortese doesn't pick the team, that's just a dumbass theory dreamt up by those who refuse to accept that NA doesn't really know what he's doing.

 

Just like the Guly must play 15 mins rumour!!

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Why does everything have to be black and white? Adkins must take some blame for recent tactics and team selection, but that doesn't mean Cortese is infallible. He must take a lot blame himself for our failure to seal defensive signings this summer.

 

Add to that problems with executive boxes, Dell bar etc, it seems Cortese's bullish personality is a hindrance to the effective running of the club. He has appointed good managers and brought investment, but a lot of bad things too. Pros and cons

[The Kraken]

Why does everything have to be black and white? Adkins must take some blame for recent tactics and team selection, but that doesn't mean Cortese is infallible. He must take a lot blame himself for our failure to seal defensive signings this summer.

 

Add to that problems with executive boxes, Dell bar etc, it seems Cortese's bullish personality is a hindrance to the effective running of the club. He has appointed good managers and brought investment, but a lot of bad things too. Pros and cons

 

Part of it seems to stem from some posters not wishing to accept opinion of anything unless cast iron proof is delivered. So, as much as you can profess an opinion that Adkins, Cortese, Reed and the players should all share some collective responsibility, it always descends into a "how can you say that, how do you know that for a fact?" type bickering when its broken down into more specific detail.

 

I suspect the flip side of that will be the accusation that opinion often gets dressed up and presented as fact. But this is an internet spazboard and the amount of fact being spoken at any one time is limited at best, so its probably just best off to treat everything as opinion and speculation and leave it at that.

[shirleysfc]

Why does everything have to be black and white? Adkins must take some blame for recent tactics and team selection, but that doesn't mean Cortese is infallible. He must take a lot blame himself for our failure to seal defensive signings this summer.

 

Add to that problems with executive boxes, Dell bar etc, it seems Cortese's bullish personality is a hindrance to the effective running of the club. He has appointed good managers and brought investment, but a lot of bad things too. Pros and cons

 

Agreed. NC has made a lot of mistakes, but to claim he picks the team or insists Guly plays a minimum of 15 mins each match is a wee bit mental!!

[Turkish]

Just like the Guly must play 15 mins rumour!!

 

You wait and see, he will get at least 15 minutes on saturday and an academy player will also come on.

[egg]

Of course Cortese doesn't pick the team, that's just a dumbass theory dreamt up by those who refuse to accept that NA doesn't really know what he's doing.

 

I don't think he picks the team but it wouldn't surprise me if NA is under an expectation to select the players given to him.

[shirleysfc]

You wait and see, he will get at least 15 minutes on saturday and an academy player will also come on.

 

Which will prove what exactly?

[Turkish]

Which will prove what exactly?

 

He'll get his 15 minute appearance fee. Cortese gets to give his boy a run out and Adkins keeps his job.

[Village Saint]

It looks like the rabble that have been waiting for the opportunity to dig at Cortese are finally happy.

Firstly the story that Cortese picks the team is complete schitt-stirring ******** thats been doing the round for ages. Cortese completely backed Adkins in the close season and dont do on about lack of defenders it is obvious we had our eye on quite a few defenders but the deals fell through.

I hate to say it but Adkins appears completely out of his depth. Was it Corteses fault we brought the subs on too late in last night game for example ?

 

ER -- they didn't come on too late. The side which started the game gave us our best chance of winning. We blew it in the first half missing two relatively simple chances and giving away a sh££ goal. Hence when they scored their world class second instead of being an equaliser it was the winner. Pretty simple really.After that we had our moments in possession and missed two more chances - created by teh players who started the game. The number of times substitutes help sides turn round two-nil deficits despit a few amzing exceptions is very very few.

[egg]

Which will prove what exactly?

 

That he likes Guly and likes to give youth a chance, probably.

[shirleysfc]

You wait and see, he will get at least 15 minutes on saturday and an academy player will also come on.

 

What about the times he's started, stayed on the bench or come on before the 75 min mark? Maybe NC picks and chooses the games he plays to throw people of the scent of his master plan! Lol!

[Turkish]

What about the times he's started, stayed on the bench or come on before the 75 min mark? Maybe NC picks and chooses the games he plays to throw people of the scent of his master plan! Lol!

 

You could be into something there. I expect he has to make a minimum amount of starts in his contract as well as play a minimum of 15 minutes every game when he isn't injured or been naughty.

[shirleysfc]

You could be into something there. I expect he has to make a minimum amount of starts in his contract as well as play a minimum of 15 minutes every game when he isn't injured or been naughty.

 

Yep, that must be it. How many starts do you think he gets to make in his contract? Half seems too obvious, I bet they've gone for something like 23 so people don't notice.

 

As for the academy thing, you could be on to something! Obviously before the Fulham match all academy players were banned from playing in the first team as they hadn't polished Nick Nack's (lol lol pmsl lol) spoons enough (not a euphemism)!!

[Window Cleaner]

I don't think he picks the team but it wouldn't surprise me if NA is under an expectation to select the players given to him.

 

Like almost every continental football manager where the president or/and the board buy the players and the manager gets to work out how best to use them.

[Turkish]

Yep, that must be it. How many starts do you think he gets to make in his contract? Half seems too obvious, I bet they've gone for something like 23 so people don't notice.

 

As for the academy thing, you could be on to something! Obviously before the Fulham match all academy players were banned from playing in the first team as they hadn't polished Nick Nack's (lol lol pmsl lol) spoons enough (not a euphemism)!!

 

I expect Cortese has kept the number quite low as he wouldn't want a contract issue getting in the way of his team selection, i'm going to go for 10. That means he'll start in over a quarter of the games and then get his guarenteed 15 minutes as a sub every week.

 

You are wrong about the academy players. JWP had started and made serveral subsitute appearances before that. Fulham is the only game that an academy player hasn't featured. I guess they hadn't sung the chairman with enough gusto that morning when they arrived at SMS for duty so were not given any playing time as punishment.

[egg]

Like almost every continental football manager where the president or/and the board buy the players and the manager gets to work out how best to use them.

 

Great system if you're given the right mix of players. Not so good when you're given loads of attackers and no no natural wide players or a lack of defenders!

 

Either way, the point is that the expectation to play the players that the manager has been given could be construed as interference in team selection. I just wander whether that is what the likes of Turkish are suggesting, or whether it's being suggested that the big boss is really saying to NA that he wants a particular team or player on the pitch.

[ART]

Hearts too have had a banking mogul as a chairman, who loans money rather than spend his own money. Beginning to see similarities with the Hearts situation and just hope it's not the road Nicola plans to take the club before pulling out and setting us adrift.