Danny Fox

[NickG]

Hammond? In premier league? If you think thats the solution I won't be eagerly waiting your player assessments!!

 

Lol

 

As long as we have this muppet in our team we don't stand a chance in hell.

 

Totally out of his depth.

 

He's like a drunk 70,s disco dancer lost in a maze.

 

Also Davis is not up to it.

 

Why we gwot rid of Hammond and Harding god only knows.

 

And Sharp at that.

[Gambol2K9]

Unfortunately I can't see the FACTS in your argument.

 

 

FACT: something which is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information

[Matthew Le Tissier]

It's as our manager said

 

 

Our defender (Danny fox) had 10 15 yards head start on odinwingy and should be doing better.

 

So that's Gary Neville ( I don't need to tell you his career cv)

 

And our manager saying its not good enough

 

And that's clearly why Adkins took fox off.

[notnowcato]

I wish the ****ing skates on this forum would **** off.

 

Fox had his best game of the season and the back 4 finally started to show that we might have something to build from.

[Smirking_Saint]

He has a point!!

 

Where has he got a point ? Has he just had his PE lesson and believes suddenly he is a coach ?

 

Of course you need to stay goalside of your man, thats obvious, but its a damn sight harder over 30-40 yards when you arent as quick as the guy your tracking FFS

 

He looked to me like he tried his gardest to get back, odemwingie busted a gut, and that boys quick, so just being within touching distance I feel needs praise

[DT]

Shaw should start next game, and Ward-Prowse instead of bottler Schneiderlin.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Maybe you two clowns should should take Adkins and Neville's jobs

 

You are total clowns with no idea

[Crab Lungs]

Maybe you two clowns should should take Adkins and Neville's jobs

 

You are total clowns with no idea

 

Special.

[DT]

Where has he got a point ? Has he just had his PE lesson and believes suddenly he is a coach ?

 

Of course you need to stay goalside of your man, thats obvious, but its a damn sight harder over 30-40 yards when you arent as quick as the guy your tracking FFS

 

He looked to me like he tried his gardest to get back, odemwingie busted a gut, and that boys quick, so just being within touching distance I feel needs praise

Yes. Well done Fox. For running slowly on the wrong side of your man.

[Chez]

Of course you need to stay goalside of your man, thats obvious, but its a damn sight harder over 30-40 yards when you arent as quick as the guy your tracking FFS

 

He looked to me like he tried his gardest to get back, odemwingie busted a gut, and that boys quick, so just being within touching distance I feel needs praise

he (Fox) didn't bust a gut IMO, but he worked harder than Morgan did in the same attack.

[Dazza82]

Where has he got a point ? Has he just had his PE lesson and believes suddenly he is a coach ?

 

Of course you need to stay goalside of your man, thats obvious, but its a damn sight harder over 30-40 yards when you arent as quick as the guy your tracking FFS

 

He looked to me like he tried his gardest to get back, odemwingie busted a gut, and that boys quick, so just being within touching distance I feel needs praise

 

This said it all, just what fox lacked at that moment desire as alot of other players did too

[Crab Lungs]

Right, what a crock of rubbish.

 

The first goal (and all night), WBA's best attacks came from the flanks and having a spare man. With our fullbacks exposed, WBA could double up on either side. The remaining fullback didn't know whether to stick or twist (close the cross or watch/follow the spare overlapping man). When you're in two minds like that as a fullback, it's horrible. That's where your midfield HAVE to help. They haven't reacted quick enough and allowed them the time to pass inside. Can't legislate a deflected goal but Fox is not at fault for that.

 

With the second goal, Fox could have done better. He wasn't goal side but he wasn't the only one lagging behind the play. WBA had two players ahead of our own when the cross came in and that isn't good enough. However, more should have been done to STOP the cross in the first place.

 

Pro-active, not reactive defending.

[Smirking_Saint]

he (Fox) didn't bust a gut IMO, but he worked harder than Morgan did in the same attack.

 

My point is, odemwingie isnt slow, but fox isnt exactly blessed with pace, keeping up with him was impressive for Fox TBH

 

But yes, again he should have had more protection, as soon as WBA broke at least the defensive midfielders should have noticed and atleast attempted to get back

[Dangermouth]

haha...lallana leaves him for dead nearly every week...you really cannot be watching the game at the mo

 

Agree: Fox is being shafted by AL. I don't care if he's responsible for 4 assists when his inability to do his job means he's responsible for far more going in the other end. He's very slow, not just chasing a player, but in his running speed. His speed of thought isn't always quick enough, he's weak in the tackle, he doesn't know when to go to the man and fannies about, he knows full well that DF has to defend the middle and so he should look to cover the wings but doesn't and anyone who blathers on about 'learning to be captain' as it's his full season just shows that he's not a leader. He should have just fouled Odemwinge/whoever the WB dross was that got the pass away in the middle and be done with it, not back off. Get a yellow card, FFS.

 

I think we should sell him to a championship team and play Mayuka on the right and Ramirez on the left.

 

I've now seen enough of him to know he flatters to deceive but can't deliver.

 

As for Davis, he did 2 poor balls when not under pressure but that did put us under pressure, he should grow a pair and Spiderman (who I do rate) was just being a coward and too f-g scared to get involved. WB were ****e and I could only watch the first half as I was in danger of getting thrown out of the pub for assaulting the tv .... As for this ****e about NA having lost the dressing room, wtf. So men now play football so that the manager can say nice things about them? I know they're a bit poncy now, but if that really were the case then we'd have far more women managers as were they 'fit' the players would be trying to impress.

 

****ty night, ****ty performance, it's the f-g midfield that's a disgrace. Mind you, Yoshida shouldn't have just waved his leg at the ball - at least try a decent swing to try to get maximum deflection or leave it and know your keeper will get it, cause Gazza would have otherwise.

 

And for those who keep talking about the good things that players do. So what? It's not about what good things they do at that level, unless it's in attack, it's about the mistakes that they make. The ones who don't make mistakes are invaluable when coupled with good, intelligent, quick in the last third forward play.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Crap Lungs

 

Have you ever played the game?

 

This doesn't include 5 a side or Fifa?

 

You are clearly a armchair footballer!?

 

Same goes for your boyfriend !

 

If it makes you feel better

 

Fox is quality and it must be the rest of the team bringing him down.

 

Hopefully we can keep him and prey he doesn't get snapped up by someone in January

 

LOL

[S-Clarke]

The fact that you are now resulting to personal insults, indicates that you have lost the argument quite emphatically and are continuing to make yourself look a bit of a pillock.

 

He wasn't the worst out there tonight, and your post wasn't helped with the fact that you thought Harding would improve things.

[Crab Lungs]

Crap Lungs

 

Have you ever played the game?

 

This doesn't include 5 a side or Fifa?

 

You are clearly a armchair footballer!?

 

Same goes for your boyfriend !

 

If it makes you feel better

 

Fox is quality and it must be the rest of the team bringing him down.

 

Hopefully we can keep him and prey he doesn't get snapped up by someone in January

 

LOL

 

I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this.

[GAS]

As long as we have this muppet in our team we don't stand a chance in hell.

 

Totally out of his depth.

 

He's like a drunk 70,s disco dancer lost in a maze.

 

Also Davis is not up to it.

 

Why we got rid of Hammond and Harding god only knows.

 

And Sharp at that.

I thought he was one of our better players today, got forward and linked up well. He is totally exposed for much of the game as our formation is there to be more attacking and score goals. We conceded weak goals but only troubled Foster once. Work that one out, is Fox to blame? We play a formation that is out numbered in the mid-field away from home? Football can be a simple game but I'm getting confused. Individual errors are either caused by players not be so great (e.g. Jos H) or pressure. We have a mix of both at present.

[sfc1976]

Just as I don't understand the point of the non-scoring striker (Andy Carroll, Rodriguez etc), I fail to grasp the point of the non-defending defender (Fox). 'Oh but that sweet left foot really delivers a killer dead ball'. No, it doesn't. He's just a poor football player.

[Restark19]

I think we should sell him to a championship team and play Mayuka on the right and Ramirez on the left.

 

Shut up you tw*t

 

The lad is 24, adjusting to a new league, he was one of our best players last season, he's having a bad time at the moment and clearly not at his best right now, he stayed with the club when he could easily have left, now show him the same loyalty and back him. He will prove himself in this league given time.

 

As for selling him to a championship club I'm sure there's a few PL teams who would take him. Including (reportedly) Liverpool

[Matthew Le Tissier]

The fact that you are now resulting to personal insults, indicates that you have lost the argument quite emphatically and are continuing to make yourself look a bit of a pillock.

 

He wasn't the worst out there tonight, and your post wasn't helped with the fact that you thought Harding would improve things.[/

 

The insults started long before that Clark

 

But you wouldn't notice that would you!

 

Why is it bad to say we should have kept Harding who is a natural left back?

 

We have shaw as cover for a rubbish left back?

 

And he is already twice the player fox is.

[GAS]

Just as I don't understand the point of the non-scoring striker (Andy Carroll, Rodriguez etc), I fail to grasp the point of the non-defending defender (Fox). 'Oh but that sweet left foot really delivers a killer dead ball'. No, it doesn't. He's just a poor football player.

Was Fox responsible for Davies losing the ball when most of our team were forward and then being caught on the counter attack? Or was he responsible for an inch perfect pass between two defenders? Only his pace was lacking, nothing else. Also where were the centre backs when the goal was scored directly middle to the goal inside the six yard box?

[Crab Lungs]

Just as I don't understand the point of the non-scoring striker (Andy Carroll, Rodriguez etc), I fail to grasp the point of the non-defending defender (Fox). 'Oh but that sweet left foot really delivers a killer dead ball'. No, it doesn't. He's just a poor football player.

 

It's effective in the right tactic. The fullbacks we had last year provided 12-13 assists each. The lack of defensive skills do get overlooked if you're in a winning, successful team. He done his job very effectively this year, but we're up in a higher division and now he's getting punished, big time.

[Halo Stickman]

Every single one of our criminally expensive summer signings save Clyne was worse than Fox tonight

[The Kraken]

Why didn't Benali get this much stick? If someone isn't good enough but is still probably the best option, you just have to get on with it. You either support them or make the situation worse by getting on their back every 5 seconds.

 

If this message board (or indeed the internet) had been as prominent back in Benali's playing days, don't worry about it, Benali would have been the whipping boy.

[Roger]

He wasn't great, but the whole performance was pretty embarrassing. Thought Lallana and clyne were ok but the rest, esp. Davis and lambert were poor. I have a feeling that many people will have different views about who was good/bad tonight!

 

Lambert had some attempts. Lallana was rubbish and is out of his depth.

[Dig Dig]

Fullbacks can't do a lot if they're not offered protection.

 

Sorry, don't agree, a fullback can't always have a winger in front helping, he doesnt even bother closing players down and tries to hold hands with Yoshida constantly and just leaves HIS man in so much space it's untrue.

 

There is a reason teams target our left hand side and that reason is Fox. ANYONE with pace will have a field day against him.

[Bearsy]

One of my ambitions for the season is to see Fox stopping someone from putting a cross in. It would be awesome if he could do that for me! Just one time. I would give him standing ovation!

[Dig Dig]

One of my ambitions for the season is to see Fox stopping someone from putting a cross in. It would be awesome if he could do that for me! Just one time. I would give him standing ovation!

 

Apparently it's all Lallana's fault

[The Kraken]

Apparently it's all Lallana's fault

 

Preditcably, its actually a bit of both. Fox is a poor defensive full back, and his worst trait is standing off wingers and allowing them to cross. That said he's also been blamed for some stuff that hasn't been entirely his fault, such as Lallana being caught miles out of position and Fox having two players to mark. He's not quite good enough for the Premier league, but too often he's being asked to do the work of 2, so its no surprise he looks so far out of his depth.

 

I'd suggest though that Luke Shaw's breif flirtation today is perhaps a precursor to a full appearance against Swansea on Saturday.

[Colinjb]

The only thing this argument shows is that we have players playing out of their depth. Sod the stupid arguments.

 

After two consecutive promotions that surely cannot be a surprise.

[LostBoys]

He should have got back to cover the second goal with a 15? metre start. Crossing was dire. I would not like to play with Lallana in front of me.

[mitch01]

Fox is struggling badly but we don't have anything better. Going OTT and suggesting he's anything but better than Harding is laughable.

[Dan Johnson]

Completely & Utterly astounded by the lack of football knowledge on this football forum!!

 

Our fullbacks come in for allot of flack because they're left exposed defensively, then get hammered if they're not getting forward... because they're expected to get forward at every oppertunity!!

 

We're playing 4-3-3 FFS!!!

 

If we're attacking the front 3 (Lambert, Jay Rod, Gaston) 1 from the midfield (lallana) & normally both fullbacks (Fox & clyne) are all forward!! It is impossible for any full back to play that way all game, fox came off because he was shattered, not because he was having a shocker!

 

Our midfield, because of the way we set out, offer very little protection over our full backs and often they're left in a 2 on 1 situation in which they can't commit so end up backing off. Even when we play a flat 4 with lallana on the left like we were last season, lallana drifts inside to often that he offers no protection for Fox!

 

There has been times where Fox has been accountable, the poor header in the City game springs to mind, but every player has & they can only learn from that and improve.

[sammysaint]

Having played left back at a decent level for a attacking team i understand the positioning and movement needed from Fox, Fox has obviously been instructed to go forward at every chance he can but it seems he doesn't work hard to get back and he doesn't look like a ball winner he needs to be more disciplined aggressive and hard working, now he is trying to play the same way cylne does except he doesn't posses that pace he does, i use to be the same except i had pace before my injury, and i feel that since foxs injury last season he hasn't quite been the same, i had to do some serious boxing weight training and other stuff to get my self sorted so i could adapt and be that ball winner needed from defenders rather then the one who carries the ball out and trys to a LB version of Beckham.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

Maybe we should give Fox to Mike Tyson for a week . That ell do the trick .

 

Then maybe Usain Bolt the following week.

[captainchris]

As long as we have this muppet in our team we don't stand a chance in hell.

 

Totally out of his depth.

 

He's like a drunk 70,s disco dancer lost in a maze.

 

Also Davis is not up to it.

 

Why we got rid of Hammond and Harding god only knows.

 

And Sharp at that.

The points you make are so valid. Hammond was one of our most consistent players and best performers in that midfield defensive role but not replaced, Harding - not a world beater but do

Much better than Fox and at the very least an alternative - sold and not replaced

Sharp loaned out and replaced with a cover man for Lambert who actually plays out of position with him in the same team and a new system! The whole thing is disjointed and quite bizarre. IF Atkins was responsible for these rash sackings he should be culpable for the decisions he makes along with the rather strange substitutions, team organisation and team selections which have often blatantly stank of panic selections along with a total

Blindness to certain players lack of ability..... I do not concur with people who say give him more time. His management has become a Keystone Cops chapter of disasters. Not only will the players confidence be shot to peices now but his own confidence will be shot too and the players will know this. Under all these circumstances it is impossible for him to continue. Indecision is now even affecting the Chairman I would say....The situation is untenable - it cannot continue......

[saint_sinner]

West Broms 2nd goal summed up fox for me!

While Odemwingie was busting a gut to get on the end of Longs cross, where was fox?

 

Trotting in just after him

 

not good enough at this level and woefully short on pace.

[Marino]

This is the same Fox that you were all bigging up last season ?

 

Fantastic then but useless this season...?

 

Get a grip people.

[Crab Lungs]

Completely & Utterly astounded by the lack of football knowledge on this football forum!!

 

Our fullbacks come in for allot of flack because they're left exposed defensively, then get hammered if they're not getting forward... because they're expected to get forward at every oppertunity!!

 

We're playing 4-3-3 FFS!!!

 

If we're attacking the front 3 (Lambert, Jay Rod, Gaston) 1 from the midfield (lallana) & normally both fullbacks (Fox & clyne) are all forward!! It is impossible for any full back to play that way all game, fox came off because he was shattered, not because he was having a shocker!

 

Our midfield, because of the way we set out, offer very little protection over our full backs and often they're left in a 2 on 1 situation in which they can't commit so end up backing off. Even when we play a flat 4 with lallana on the left like we were last season, lallana drifts inside to often that he offers no protection for Fox!

 

There has been times where Fox has been accountable, the poor header in the City game springs to mind, but every player has & they can only learn from that and improve.

 

Spot on... It's embarassing to read sometimes.

[Saint Charlie]

For me Fox seems to lack the stamina to get forward and back at the rate required at this level.

 

He isn't quick, which is fine, but when he moves forward it often takes him way too long to get back in position.

 

This, and the fact he acts as a third centre back at times means he struggled to get out to close his man down.

 

He is a weakness.

[captainchris]

It's effective in the right tactic. The fullbacks we had last year provided 12-13 assists each. The lack of defensive skills do get overlooked if you're in a winning, successful team. He done his job very effectively this year, but we're up in a higher division and now he's getting punished, big time.

 

No he didn't 'do his job' last year...... He was very poor last year too and we were constantly exposed down his side last year.....Watching Fox is like watching a pantomine - You are always wanting to shout to him ' He's behind you' - a really useless player and always has been!

[RobM]

This is the same Fox that you were all bigging up last season ?

 

Fantastic then but useless this season...?

 

Get a grip people.

 

I think you'd struggle to find more than a couple of comments 'bigging Fox up' last season. He had some very good games, but did not end the season being labelled 'fantastic'. In reality (where most of us live) he was considered an acceptable but less than ideal LB, with a decent cross, decent at set pieces, but limited defending ability. We all agreed come the end of the season that our entire defensive lineup had to be looked at as it wasn't good enough for the Prem.

 

Have a read first, then shout at people, it might work for you.

[JackFrost]

 

My argument is FACT

 

 

 

Fox is the worst left back I have ever seen

 

If you honestly think these two statements alone are true then you either need serious help or you cannot be any older than around 10 years old (ie. you cannot be old enough to remember Olivier Bernard)

[beatlesaint]

No he didn't 'do his job' last year...... He was very poor last year too and we were constantly exposed down his side last year.....Watching Fox is like watching a pantomine - You are always wanting to shout to him ' He's behind you' - a really useless player and always has been!

 

Have to agree with that. I cannot believe people are jumping to his defence - no pun intended - when the second goal last night sums the guy up for me. Not only did he let their man make up 5 yards on him but he let him get goal side too. I mean ffs the evidnece is there ! Hansen has shown it on MOTD with his great big green squares highlighting the space he leaves, Neville highlighted it last night, even Adkins more or less pointed the finger at him in his interview.

 

Yet people say he was alright last night ? Give me strength....he makes Benali look a worldbeater.

[Turkish]

If you honestly think these two statements alone are true then you either need serious help or you cannot be any older than around 10 years old (ie. you cannot be old enough to remember Olivier Bernard)

 

Or Jim Brennan, or Patrick Colliter or Lee Todd or even Benali for that matter.

[egg]

No he didn't 'do his job' last year...... He was very poor last year too and we were constantly exposed down his side last year.....Watching Fox is like watching a pantomine - You are always wanting to shout to him ' He's behind you' - a really useless player and always has been!

 

We weren't completely exposed by the left back. Our left back was/is exposed by our system and the left midfielder. Fox ain't the best left back but the best would have a torrid time in this team.

[Greenridge]

He gets little or no protection from those in front of him and as has been said many a player better than Fox would be exposed. The formation / lack of protection and our failure to strengthen in this area are not the fault of Fox.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Absolute ******

 

Exposed my arse. Exposed to being a pants footballer maybe

 

All he does is try to bomb forward and can't be bothered to put the effort in to getting back when he gives away the ball.

 

 

This so called left foot he has to? What's his cross ratio!? 1 in 10 maybe.

 

He's a donkey who can't defend to save his life.

 

How you can blame his incompetence on Lallana is beyond me.

 

You could play Gareth bale on front of him and he'd still be a pile of ****.

 

Adkins has clearly seen he is not up to it and the only reason he brought shaw on last night was he obviously has him in his plans to start the next game.

 

If you had swapped Clyne and fox over last night fox would have been battered down the right even though Clyne was coping perfectly ok.

 

It's clear that other clubs are picking Fox out as our week link and taking advantage of it as everything went down that side last night as its clear he's out of his depth

[Greenridge]

Absolute ******

 

Exposed my arse. Exposed to being a pants footballer maybe

 

All he does is try to bomb forward and can't be bothered to put the effort in to getting back when he gives away the ball.

 

 

This so called left foot he has to? What's his cross ratio!? 1 in 10 maybe.

 

He's a donkey who can't defend to save his life.

 

How you can blame his incompetence on Lallana is beyond me.

 

You could play Gareth bale on front of him and he'd still be a pile of ****.

 

Adkins has clearly seen he is not up to it and the only reason he brought shaw on last night was he obviously has him in his plans to start the next game.

 

If you had swapped Clyne and fox over last night fox would have been battered down the right even though Clyne was coping perfectly ok.

 

It's clear that other clubs are picking Fox out as our week link and taking advantage of it as everything went down that side last night as its clear he's out of his depth

 

...and breathe. You missed my point. I agree Fox is not good enough but he is shown to be even weaker due to lack of cover down the left. When I referred to our 'failure to strengthen in this area' I was meaning LB and not LM. Basically he's trying his best so what will we achieve by continually berating him? Diddly squat.