whelk Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just glanced at league table and noticed that after Monday's game we will have played 10 games, 8 of which against teams are in the top 9. Obviously we have helped them get there by giving all but Fulham 3 pts but some light there in that we still have to play the majority of bottom teams twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 so what? we have to play every team twice. There are no easy games in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 We now have a run of 8 games where 6 of them are very winnable. We should be looking to get around 11-12 points from these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheam Saint Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 so what? we have to play every team twice. There are no easy games in the PL Except some are not as hard as others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Wish we could play Villa at home every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Do we have to now write Mondays game off? Every team that stays up will beat one of the top 6... At Least once No home game should be written off either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 so what? we have to play every team twice. There are no easy games in the PL There's a big difference between the likes of Arsenal, Man City and Manu compared to Wigan, Villa, Norwich, Reading, etc. I'm not expecting any easy matches but against the team lesser teams you can expect to come away with something as long as you put in a good performance. Against the top teams a team like ours can play their best match of the season and still get beat. If we survive or not is determined by how we do against the teams around us. If we play like we did against Wigan in the majority of the games we will go down. If we play like we did against Villa we will survive. Liek I said last week, I'm looking forward to the WBA match. It will give us answers on where we stand much more then last week against Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 so what? we have to play every team twice. There are no easy games in the PL I disagree. The phrase is just a cliche which only has some validity on paper before a match has been played, as precedent proves that any team can beat any other team on the day. Once the match has been played and one team has lost by a heavy margun, that then becomes designated as an easy game for the winning team. Once a hierarchy has been established in the division, then as a generality the teams near the relegation zone will be deemed to be easier games by those near the top, compared with them playing rival teams also at the top of the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Blackburn won at Old Trafford last season. Wigan won at Arsenal. These might have be deemed an easy game for Man U and Arsenal but it was proven not to be. Les Bender, as usual, proving he talks a lot of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 The top 8 at the mo means nothing though (Apart from the usual Manchester's, Chelsea etc). Pretty confident the likes of WHU,, Fulham, West Brom will all finish lower than they are. As much as people say you cannot read anything into the teams in and around the bottom at the moment, the same can be said for those 6-9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 so what? we have to play every team twice. There are no easy games in the PL Over the course of an entire season, yes. Is our manager going to get the chance to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I have said for a while its not the losing but the way we are losing now, we need to slow down this negative momentum, and as Turks said if we dont get a sizeable point haul from the next 8 games we are screwed. This isnt the champ though, you could easily look at every game and realise none are easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just glanced at league table and noticed that after Monday's game we will have played 10 games, 8 of which against teams are in the top 9. Obviously we have helped them get there by giving all but Fulham 3 pts but some light there in that we still have to play the majority of bottom teams twice. Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons these teams are in the top 9 is because they're been lucky enough to have played us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons these teams are in the top 9 is because they're been lucky enough to have played us? err yes he says exactly that in the piece you just quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Problem is apart from the second half against Villa we haven't exactly been doing that well against the PL's lesser sides so far this season have we? Wigan, Fulham, Westham were all more than a match for us. The tough start has helped to cover up these results and a lot of people seem to be banking on us making up ground against the lesser teams in the league despite the fact so far we haven't performed very well against the ones we have played. If anything the performances (arsenal aside) have been better against the big teams like cieth,man U and spurs than they have against the lesser sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just glanced at league table and noticed that after Monday's game we will have played 10 games, 8 of which against teams are in the top 9. Obviously we have helped them get there by giving all but Fulham 3 pts but some light there in that we still have to play the majority of bottom teams twice. EXACTLY !...you know I wrote the same thing a week ago and the pessimists on the site criticised the comment....so be prepared for some flack ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 There's a big difference between the likes of Arsenal, Man City and Manu compared to Wigan, Villa, Norwich, Reading, etc. I'm not expecting any easy matches but against the team lesser teams you can expect to come away with something as long as you put in a good performance. Against the top teams a team like ours can play their best match of the season and still get beat. If we survive or not is determined by how we do against the teams around us. If we play like we did against Wigan in the majority of the games we will go down. If we play like we did against Villa we will survive. Liek I said last week, I'm looking forward to the WBA match. It will give us answers on where we stand much more then last week against Spurs. Just look at today's results to see how little sense this makes. With that philosophy we are only playing to win in a few games - the spelling of the opposition name must have no bearing on our resolve or attitude towards a game. If we are to make progress as a professional team - don't forget we are professional, the first thing you must eradicate is 'pecking order'. The first rule of sport. Anyone who has this disabling burden carried with him onto the field of play cannot start for they have already lost.......Supporters who peddle this low self esteem trait must think again for a satisfaction with certain results against certain teams will result in a low expectation and poor results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just look at today's results to see how little sense this makes. With that philosophy we are only playing to win in a few games - the spelling of the opposition name must have no bearing on our resolve or attitude towards a game. If we are to make progress as a professional team - don't forget we are professional, the first thing you must eradicate is 'pecking order'. The first rule of sport. Anyone who has this disabling burden carried with him onto the field of play cannot start for they have already lost.......Supporters who peddle this low self esteem trait must think again for a satisfaction with certain results against certain teams will result in a low expectation and poor results. You approach every game in the same way but fact is we are going to pick up more points against the lesser teams. Always have and always will. In the Prem it's as much about who you play as how you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just look at today's results to see how little sense this makes. With that philosophy we are only playing to win in a few games - the spelling of the opposition name must have no bearing on our resolve or attitude towards a game. If we are to make progress as a professional team - don't forget we are professional, the first thing you must eradicate is 'pecking order'. The first rule of sport. Anyone who has this disabling burden carried with him onto the field of play cannot start for they have already lost.......Supporters who peddle this low self esteem trait must think again for a satisfaction with certain results against certain teams will result in a low expectation and poor results. To be honest, I think the stat on this thread is only being trotted out to defend Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Just imagine we could say that come the end of the season we have played the top 19 teams and that it's not fair? I believe it does not matter who you played as a good team can beat anyone on it's day and at the moment we don't look like even getting a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2012 EXACTLY !...you know I wrote the same thing a week ago and the pessimists on the site criticised the comment....so be prepared for some flack ! I didn't really have a point David more just an observation but even the most innocent of posts get a response of 'so what....' 'your point is...' etc. And some morons don't even think you can distinguish between games ' no easy games'. I didn't make the assumption we would pick off the easy teams. And CaptainChris about having a winner mentality - Have you recently bought a management or self help book? We support Saints - that in itself gives us a reality check over the likes of utd supporters who sulk and scream in justice whenever they don't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I was disappointed when the fixtures came out as I did think we had a tough start. That meant our momentum from last season was lost. That said I am disappointed with results and the worrying thing is we are not getting any better. I reckon we are 6 points down from where I hoped we'd be. Meaning we need to win 2 "written off" games, the way we are defending that ain't going to happen. Mon we need to stop the rot 0-0 would be nice. 4 points next week is the minimum . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons these teams are in the top 9 is because they're been lucky enough to have played us? This retort isn't really applicable now we're 10 games in - they're not in the top 10 solely because of the 3 points they got from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Who plays what where and when matters not a jot, stop conceding goals and start putting in some dogged performances and start grinding out results FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 rubbish reason to comfort ourselves and blind us from the fact that we're simply not playing well enough. when the likes of wigan and west ham can get a win and a draw against spurs and city respectively, we should be looking at other reasons instead i.e not being tight enough in midfield and inexperienced defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 So are we now writing the WBA game off.......when exactly does 'our season start'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 So are we now writing the WBA game off.......when exactly does 'our season start'? Reading at home IMO. Any points before that are a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 rubbish reason to comfort ourselves and blind us from the fact that we're simply not playing well enough. when the likes of wigan and west ham can get a win and a draw against spurs and city respectively, we should be looking at other reasons instead i.e not being tight enough in midfield and inexperienced defending. This. All this tough fixture nonsense is no longer applicable. We have played Fulham and Wigan at home, both games we should be winning. WHU away is one of the away games this season that we would need to be picking a point up from ideally. We gave Man Utd, Man City and Spurs fairly tough, close games. It was just poor defending that let us down... as it has done in every single game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 So are we now writing the WBA game off.......when exactly does 'our season start'? I'm not writing it off but it's highly unlikely we will get something up there. We have always been terrible away from home in the Premiership. We need to start winning our home games in order to stay up and just pray we pick up a couple of wins on the road at some point this season. Reading, QPR, Wigan, Norwich the games targeting. WHU would've been included in that but we all know what happened there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I didn't really have a point David more just an observation but even the most innocent of posts get a response of 'so what....' 'your point is...' etc. And some morons don't even think you can distinguish between games ' no easy games'. I didn't make the assumption we would pick off the easy teams. And CaptainChris about having a winner mentality - Have you recently bought a management or self help book? We support Saints - that in itself gives us a reality check over the likes of utd supporters who sulk and scream in justice whenever they don't win. I have no idea of the context of your post at all......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Just look at today's results to see how little sense this makes. With that philosophy we are only playing to win in a few games - the spelling of the opposition name must have no bearing on our resolve or attitude towards a game. If we are to make progress as a professional team - don't forget we are professional, the first thing you must eradicate is 'pecking order'. The first rule of sport. Anyone who has this disabling burden carried with him onto the field of play cannot start for they have already lost.......Supporters who peddle this low self esteem trait must think again for a satisfaction with certain results against certain teams will result in a low expectation and poor results. I never said that, all I said is that's its more important to win points against teams around us then against teams up top. Even better would be winning both but if I had to choose I'd rather win against Reading then Man Utd. That way you stop your direct rivals getting valuable points. The other point I was making is that we need a top-team to have an off day if we're going to get a result against them. If we play a very good match (like the matches against City and Utd) we still come away with nothing because they will punish every mistake. If they are have an off day (Arsenal @ Norwich) you can win when you play well. This doesn't mean you accept your losses before you start the match, its means that you might have to accept the loss because your opponents are just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 The top 8 at the mo means nothing though (Apart from the usual Manchester's, Chelsea etc). Pretty confident the likes of WHU,, Fulham, West Brom will all finish lower than they are. As much as people say you cannot read anything into the teams in and around the bottom at the moment, the same can be said for those 6-9th. Also if we lose to these teams they are more likely to be at the top early in the season as 3 points is likely to be at least 25% of their return over 10 games! it would constitute 75% of ours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2012 See Nigel trotted out the 8 out top 10 in post match interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 See Nigel trotted out the 8 out top 10 in post match interview. ........and he is entitled to. You and I are not the only ones to have published a thread on that whelk, but most people seem to dismiss that fact. Do they think we've lost to another 8 sides who are less worthy. There are many faults with our present situation, but I feel sorry for NA that he has to take the blame for everything from the fixture list's computer to the players that he was "given" rather than the ones he wanted. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 Jesus Christ. More excuses We are going to have to beat A top half team this season... Even more so now We will probably have to beat a top 5 team too Not to means certain relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I kid you not. Someone just phone up the radio station and said Swansea are 11th so we can't really expect to win Holy fuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 There is certainly a lot of "getting your excuses in early" going on at the moment... And fans of our club have always had an ambition issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I'd wager that if we'd played the bottom 8 of 9 teams in our first 10 games, and were riding higher in the league as a result, those labelling the current reverse scenario as an "excuse" would by now be telling us that our high position was artificial due to the fact we hadn't played any of the top teams yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 I kid you not. Someone just phone up the radio station and said Swansea are 11th so we can't really expect to win Holy fuk People seem to be working their way down the league. Now we're bottom, is it safe to say that we can't expect to win against anyone as they're higher than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 November, 2012 Share Posted 6 November, 2012 There is certainly a lot of "getting your excuses in early" going on at the moment...And fans of our club have always had an ambition issue. my ambition issue was settled in May, Alpine. We got back into the Prem, anything else ...is a bonus. After 27 seasons in the bottom half of the top level, and often surviving by the skin of our teeth in the last game of the season....it's just deja vu for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 December, 2012 obviously not just calibre of opposition but this point now looks valid. 4 pts from first 10 games, 11 pts from next 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Well of course it is a valid point: its easier to beat Reading at home than Man City away, but you don't get the moaning buzz when you win.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 I don't think anyone (sensibly) suggested this present squad was better than every other club in the Prem, but if we are only better / or/ as (good / bad) as the bottom half ....I'm satisfied for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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