Gemmel Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 http://audioboo.fm/boos/1037755-saintsfc-boss-nigel-adkins-on-any-reassurance-about-his-job-from-the-chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Good interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 He deflected the question nicely. The man is under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 He's right to effectively ingore the question, if he states that he's got reassurance, it will be seen as the dreaded vote of confidence. If NC hasn't spoken to NA, it will be looked on in a negative way. He's also right that we need results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 What was said for those of us at work ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 What was said for those of us at work ?! We need to get results. Sums it up i think. We not be drawn on if Cortese had backed him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 We need to get results. Sums it up i think. We not be drawn on if Cortese had backed him or not. Yes, kept emphasising the need to get results over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 What was said for those of us at work ?! 1'min. 34 secs. of enthusiastic Nigel. The only thing that matters is the football club. We're all working hard here, late at night sometimes and we need to get results. He didn't answer the direct question about what Cortese may / may have not said to him ....but we're al working very hard and he's really looking forward to Monday night's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Basically we need results, so Cortese has said yeah results = job Nigel. The one reference to Reading is telling that they are the bench mark for who we are competing against. I stick my speculation that if we don't start looking stronger/getting a few more results it'll come down to beating Reading in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 SSDD then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Fair play to him; there's no way to answer that question directly, and he still answered it truthfully and honestly. "Getting reassurances" is meaningless anyway; NA is absolutely correct that its only the results that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 1'min. 34 secs. of enthusiastic Nigel. The only thing that matters is the football club. We're all working hard here, late at night sometimes and we need to get results. He didn't answer the direct question about what Cortese may / may have not said to him ....but we're al working very hard and he's really looking forward to Monday night's game. Not sure enthusiastic would be how I described Nigel in that interview. It's a more determined sounding NA than I'm used to hearing. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I think we are in Results matter over style now.........good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Think how you'd feel if every day someone came and asked you if you were going to be sacked today. Doubt any of us wouldn't think "STFU". If it happens, it happens. All this drivel is just boll- cks and as he says - get a few wins and forget all this crap journalism. They don't know sh ! t, they're paid too much and all they do is try to make stories out of speculation and gossip cause there are too many of them and nothing that's real to write / speak about - even if they were capable, which they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I feel for him as he will be (and rightly so given the results to date) under tremendous pressure - yet he faces it stoichly and with his usual enthusiam. You would think Journo's would recognise that that question is a pointless one - as whatever discussions take place between chairman and manager should remain private anyway.... and are as he says meaningless, as no matter how hard he works, how dedicated he obviously is, or how well the team performs, it will points on which his prformance is judged and that alone. Now whether NC will stick by him no matter what or not is irrelevent - you dont get the best out of folk by telling them their job is safe no matter how well tehy fulfill the objectives of the role... For reading between the lines and thus speculating, the level of pressure he is under and focus on results suggests NC will not be stick with him if it looks like we are toast.... It would be a real shame IMHO, as Adkins is such a decent honest bloke, and despite what some may think, he deserves more credit than some are prepared to give him for the achievements last season. We were not the best side, probably play off value at best, but we had a team sprit that was worth 6-9 points on its own, and that is simply down to his approach. The prem is so unforgiving and frailties are quickly exposed as we have seen, and he needs time to gain the experience necessary if we are to see him reach what I believe is his full potential. The squad and Nige deserve that chance. Ultimately if we are found wanting, it wont be through lack of effort, committement or graft - but experience, some quality and mistakes made due to the lack of it. Deserves our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 No manager is assured of their job if results keep being bad, just a question of how long. Adkins is still here so clearly he's backed more than lots of managers have been or would have been. No reason for him or NC to comment on it more than that, best if everyone just gets on with their job. Yes to be fair I didn't think Cortese would have stayed off the trigger this long so credit to him, make no mistake though if we don't win Monday I can only see one casualty! It is unfair if you ask me but he would be well aware that a return of four points is simply more than relegation form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Conspiracy theories number 2939932 - Cortese wants Adkins to resign.... Considering Adkins body language and comments he looks like dead man walking, however if he is sacked Cortese will have to negotiate a settlement with him. if he resigns then Adkins will likely have to forefit this. As Cortese tried to make Adkins resign from S****horpe to avoid paying them compensation then maybe Cortese is trying to play this card on Adkins again and force him to resign by making his job as difficult as possible to succeed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 That would be like cutting your face off in order to spite your nose. Nice theory though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Conspiracy theories number 2939932 - Cortese wants Adkins to resign.... Considering Adkins body language and comments he looks like dead man walking, however if he is sacked Cortese will have to negotiate a settlement with him. if he resigns then Adkins will likely have to forefit this. As Cortese tried to make Adkins resign from S****horpe to avoid paying them compensation then maybe Cortese is trying to play this card on Adkins again and force him to resign by making his job as difficult as possible to succeed in. At an industrial tribunal this would sound like constructive dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The fact he is still in charge would suggest he has support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 With Ramirez back this is where there really is no excuse to not start picking up points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblyone Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I feel for him as he will be (and rightly so given the results to date) under tremendous pressure - yet he faces it stoichly and with his usual enthusiam. You would think Journo's would recognise that that question is a pointless one - as whatever discussions take place between chairman and manager should remain private anyway.... and are as he says meaningless, as no matter how hard he works, how dedicated he obviously is, or how well the team performs, it will points on which his prformance is judged and that alone. Now whether NC will stick by him no matter what or not is irrelevent - you dont get the best out of folk by telling them their job is safe no matter how well tehy fulfill the objectives of the role... For reading between the lines and thus speculating, the level of pressure he is under and focus on results suggests NC will not be stick with him if it looks like we are toast.... It would be a real shame IMHO, as Adkins is such a decent honest bloke, and despite what some may think, he deserves more credit than some are prepared to give him for the achievements last season. We were not the best side, probably play off value at best, but we had a team sprit that was worth 6-9 points on its own, and that is simply down to his approach. The prem is so unforgiving and frailties are quickly exposed as we have seen, and he needs time to gain the experience necessary if we are to see him reach what I believe is his full potential. The squad and Nige deserve that chance. Ultimately if we are found wanting, it wont be through lack of effort, committement or graft - but experience, some quality and mistakes made due to the lack of it. Deserves our support. Excellent post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Conspiracy theories number 2939932 - Cortese wants Adkins to resign.... Considering Adkins body language and comments he looks like dead man walking, however if he is sacked Cortese will have to negotiate a settlement with him. if he resigns then Adkins will likely have to forefit this. As Cortese tried to make Adkins resign from S****horpe to avoid paying them compensation then maybe Cortese is trying to play this card on Adkins again and force him to resign by making his job as difficult as possible to succeed in. Another dig........give it a rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I think everyone should lay off Adkins. He has made mistakes, results haven't been great and has t handled the Lambert situation very well. However I do think he will fix the problems and we will climb the table. In Adkins I think we have a very positive, young manager who will succeed at this level. Lets get behind him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 At an industrial tribunal this would sound like constructive dismissal. You'd think so, but those cases are notoriously difficult to prove in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Whose to say a win will save the manager? Pardew was sacked after a 4-0 away win. Adkins is right to deflect these questions. It is very rare for any manager to have his job secured despite poor results. What was the journo expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Could all look very different after Monday night. Naturally, I haven't been feeling great about the run of results, but Benitez aside, don't fancy any of the mooted replacements. Didn't vote in the Adkins poll but I've said myself that out decline was more to do with a lack of stability than anything else; brought about by the revolving door policy of the past. People have gone on about Nige having to play 4-3-3. Not sure I buy that entirely, but if there has been any inflexibility in terms of what Nige can and can't do, that probably needs to end. Players are starting to come back. Incidentally, was listening to Football Weekly. We were mentioned. They really don't rate our chances of survival. Said we paid way over the odds for Ramirez and Rodriguez too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Conspiracy theories number 2939932 - Cortese wants Adkins to resign.... Considering Adkins body language and comments he looks like dead man walking, however if he is sacked Cortese will have to negotiate a settlement with him. if he resigns then Adkins will likely have to forefit this. As Cortese tried to make Adkins resign from S****horpe to avoid paying them compensation then maybe Cortese is trying to play this card on Adkins again and force him to resign by making his job as difficult as possible to succeed in. Wouldn't surprise me, I think that sort of thing goes on alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 At an industrial tribunal this would sound like constructive dismissal. Don't hang your hat on the fact an IT will deliver justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Don't hang your hat on the fact an IT will deliver justice Blimey, in agreement with FF checks colour of moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Sounds to me like he is a few games before the chop. My worry is the meaning of getting results. Big Sam would get results, but I would rather get relegated than go down that path. Is the premiership becoming the golden chalice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 There's a scoresheet open on all of us, one way or another. A few quick wins would do wonders for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horton Heath Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Brilliant reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Not sure enthusiastic would be how I described Nigel in that interview. It's a more determined sounding NA than I'm used to hearing. Good luck to him. OK. I might have said positive, but that assumes that he had something to build on, but only 4 points and near the bottom isn't confidence-building start - is it ? He didn't sound like a man playing Russian roulette, but then again .......you don't know who was holding the gun. If I was to sack anyone at the club it would start with some of our defenders. The only problem is.... it's easier to replace a manager than a player when it's outside the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 There will be no point getting rid of Adkins unless he is replaced by an experienced manager who is allowed to manage his way. Reed and Cortese keep their noses out and let him get on with it. Can you imagine any decent manager wanting to report into and being told what to do by Les Friggin Reed? The man was sacked by the FA and voted the worst manager in Charltons history and joined us from Bishops Stortford!! All we'll get is another rookie, who will need to 'learn' the premier league like Adkins has too. We'll no doubt be told we will be getting a top manager and loads of experienced men applied for the role but Giseppe Del Rosso currently manager of FC Sorrento and has lead them to promotion into Serie B was by far the best candidate who shared the long term vision of the directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Let me see. We've just been promoted into one of the toughest leagues in the world having been in league 1 just 2 years ago. We have played 9 games, 5 of which were against the top 6 sides in the division. The only top team we haven't played yet are Chelsea. Of the 'realistic' games we've played we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 2. Not too shabby under the circumstances. NA has faced a baptism of fire, to get rid of him at this moment in time would be grossly unfair. Too many knee jerk types on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Of the 'realistic' games we've played we have won 1, drawn 1 and lost 2. Not too shabby under the circumstances Sorry, what is an "unrealistic" game? One in which we should just expect to roll over and die? Which ones of our games have been "unrealistic" so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 A lot of games are winnable at this level if you have something about you as a team, and actually know how to keep the ball out of the net. As Wigan, Villa and Norwich showed yesterday. I just can't see us ever producing similar results because we always give the opposition a lifeline or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 S-Clarke question, if we lose 2moro do you think Adkins will be sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 S-Clarke question, if we lose 2moro do you think Adkins will be sacked? No idea, probably not. More telling will be where we stand after the 3 games following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 WGS into 2's!! Think the bookies are making it up now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Sorry, what is an "unrealistic" game? One in which we should just expect to roll over and die? Which ones of our games have been "unrealistic" so far? Man U/City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. I never expected much from these matches. The only games where we may be considered to have rolled over and died in are possibly Leeds and West Ham IMO. Man City/Utd/Arsenal/Spurs/Everton all eventually outclassed us, Wigan stung us, Villa lost to us and we fought a close game against Fulham. I wouldn't say that any of the performances in those games was of the 'roll over and die' variety but reality bit us in the bum, we got beat by teams with a little bit more about them. Any realistic fan knew that the games against the top 5/6 were always going to be very tough to get points in and factored that into their expectations. What we seem to have here are unrealistic expectations that haven't been met and now they are chomping at the bit for a new manager. If Saints were producing flat performances in every game I'd be concerned about NA but they aren't. Yes, we have been defensively naieve and some of our subs have been questionable but we have continuously created chances. There is still very much to work with so give him a chance and judge him once he's had a go at playing teams around our level. Far too much knee-jerk reaction on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Man U/City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. I never expected much from these matches. The only games where we may be considered to have rolled over and died in are possibly Leeds and West Ham IMO. Man City/Utd/Arsenal/Spurs/Everton all eventually outclassed us, Wigan stung us, Villa lost to us and we fought a close game against Fulham. I wouldn't say that any of the performances in those games was of the 'roll over and die' variety but reality bit us in the bum, we got beat by teams with a little bit more about them. Any realistic fan knew that the games against the top 5/6 were always going to be very tough to get points in and factored that into their expectations. What we seem to have here are unrealistic expectations that haven't been met and now they are chomping at the bit for a new manager. If Saints were producing flat performances in every game I'd be concerned about NA but they aren't. Yes, we have been defensively naieve and some of our subs have been questionable but we have continuously created chances. There is still very much to work with so give him a chance and judge him once he's had a go at playing teams around our level. Far too much knee-jerk reaction on here. My feelings exactly. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 (edited) Man U/City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. I never expected much from these matches. The only games where we may be considered to have rolled over and died in are possibly Leeds and West Ham IMO. Man City/Utd/Arsenal/Spurs/Everton all eventually outclassed us, Wigan stung us, Villa lost to us and we fought a close game against Fulham. I wouldn't say that any of the performances in those games was of the 'roll over and die' variety but reality bit us in the bum, we got beat by teams with a little bit more about them. Any realistic fan knew that the games against the top 5/6 were always going to be very tough to get points in and factored that into their expectations. What we seem to have here are unrealistic expectations that haven't been met and now they are chomping at the bit for a new manager. If Saints were producing flat performances in every game I'd be concerned about NA but they aren't. Yes, we have been defensively naieve and some of our subs have been questionable but we have continuously created chances. There is still very much to work with so give him a chance and judge him once he's had a go at playing teams around our level. Far too much knee-jerk reaction on here. Of course the expectation level goes down, but I'd hate to think we should be turning off any form of optimism from games against the top six. That would be complete defeatism. Take a look at the relegated teams from last season. Norwich beat top 6 Newcastle and Tottenham, and took points off Arsenal and Chelsea. Swansea beat Man City and Arsenal whilst also taking points from Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle. QPR had a fairly dismal season but still found time to beat Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and take points off Liverpool, Newcastle and Everton. You may not expect much, but QPR stayed up on the back of those results, Norwich and Swansea finished mid-table because of them. Of course those games are tough; that doesn't mean we should expect to take nothing from them. We absolutely need to show how to grind out reults against top ten, top 6, top 4 clubs. Norwich have shown how already this season against Arsenal. The notion that we only need to concentrate on the teams around us is simply not correct; we need to look to score points against all of the sides in the division. As for knee-jerk reaction and giving Adkins a chance; I'm not in the camp of blaming him fully or suggesting he needs to leave. Not yet, anyway. But his time is clearly running out. Edited 4 November, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Excellent post! + 1. I would like us to stick with Nig, even if it means relegation (which is not certain by any means). All it means is we start again but with more experience this time. Sure it might take more than one year to get back up, but have people really forgotten where the tactic of getting rid of a manager every 5 minutes got us last time? How would MU have done all these years if they sacked SAF in his first poor year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 + 1. I would like us to stick with Nig, even if it means relegation (which is not certain by any means). All it means is we start again but with more experience this time. Sure it might take more than one year to get back up, but have people really forgotten where the tactic of getting rid of a manager every 5 minutes got us last time? How would MU have done all these years if they sacked SAF in his first poor year? be the exact same place where sticking with a manager not good enough will take us how many managers take a team down from the prem and become a success..? very very few... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 + 1. I would like us to stick with Nig, even if it means relegation (which is not certain by any means). All it means is we start again but with more experience this time. Sure it might take more than one year to get back up, but have people really forgotten where the tactic of getting rid of a manager every 5 minutes got us last time? How would MU have done all these years if they sacked SAF in his first poor year? Oh yeah, forgot about Alex Ferguson, good example and the first time it's been used for our current plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Man U/City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. I never expected much from these matches. The only games where we may be considered to have rolled over and died in are possibly Leeds and West Ham IMO. Man City/Utd/Arsenal/Spurs/Everton all eventually outclassed us, Wigan stung us, Villa lost to us and we fought a close game against Fulham. ........ We didn't "roll over and die" against Leeds - its more a case of the manager deliberately selecting a team that was 'Dead on Arrival' before a ball had even been kicked. I also thought that as hard as we 'huffed and puffed' Wigan were pretty good value for their win. A neutral might conclude that Fulham too were within a minute of taking all the points. You are correct however in saying that Spurs outclassed us, (for a hour anyway) but other recent results suggest that they (and even Arsenal perhaps) aren't really as good as our 'Keystone Cops' defending made them look. Now if anyone wants to claim we might have taken points from both Manchester teams then fair enough, but overall bottom of the league on 4 miserable points is, more or less, what we deserve I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 He's realistic and positive, as usual. He knows he'll be about of a job if we don't get results. So will Cortese. He also knows that he could probably quite easily get another job if he has to, managing another club. Nigel being Nigel, he would cross that bridge when he comes to it. He's done it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Well Craig Levein has just resigned from the Scotland job - if we get stuffed at WBA tonight we could do a 'Burley' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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