The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 well that goes without saying, but despite out defeats we've had TEN different goalscorers in the Prem. already this season. Yes Rickie 's got 4 of them (in the first 5 games), but he hasn't scored in the last 3½ games and we must give others a chance and not just hope he'll get one or two......thats not enough to win with our goals against average. Wasn't it you pointing out yesterday that James Beattie once went 9 games without scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 set pieces, pens, long shots etc., you just have to keep him on as much as possible. not to mention his passing, hold up play etc. I think jrod will be very good, but in a front 3 he'll get his chances, he just shouldn't be starting yet. throw in that lambert is probably as good as the CBs in defending corners, set pieces...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Do you think if he's not be brilliant for 2 games then people will say they aren't convinced by him and we should bring back guly? As its Guly, he'll get a slightly longer reprieve - the bring back chappers campaign, now that's a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 feck me..he has been sub or been subbed.......he wont score every game but he still remains our biggest goat threat and at the mo..our best creater of chances....no matter how you slice it, lambert is by far the best striker at this club I don't think anyone's denied that, but why is it that some people seem to think that " subbing " someone after 70 mins. make it sound like he didn't get a chance to play? .when do we give others a chance?. He was less than good against Fulham, yet played the entire match against Spurs and didn't look much better. Next you'll be saying that Mayuka and Lee were a waste of money because they can't get into the side....others must get a run-out sometime...especially the strikers. How long to you (reasonably) expect RL to be our top striker.......and who will suddenly replace him if he (suddenly) isn't there one day .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 after Gulys' performance on Tuesday he should NEVER play for this great club again imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Great news about Ramirez and Cork- just a little concerned if the friend has given a little bit too much away by saying who's replacing who...not that I'll care if we win! (A draw wouldn't be the end of the road- WBA are no pushovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Not convinced by a midfield 3 of Cork, Davis and Morgan with AL, Ramirez and Lambert up top but each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 (edited) ]Wasn't it you pointing out yesterday[/b] that James Beattie once went 9 games without scoring? YES it was.......and it's a lesson we haven't learnt because nobody is still around (at the club) who can recall that. The difference that season was that Beattie was the only real striker we had at the time. Pahars was still injured and the rest of the story is almost too sad to relate. The second highest scorer was Ormerod with 5, Fernandes 3 and the Svenssons scored 2 each. Beattie's great season was our salvation he scored 23 of only 43 league goals. At least now we have some alternatives to look at, and if we are not to continue our total reliance on Rickie (good as he is) then we must give other strikers a bit more game time than a 20 min.sub.. Edited 2 November, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry hurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Yes! At least we'll be losing 4-3 now instead of 4-1, which is a bit more respectable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 YES it was.......and it's a lesson we haven't learnt because nobody is still around (at the club) who can recall that. The difference that season was that Beattie was the only real striker we had at the time. Pahars was still injured and the rest of the story is almost too sad to relate. The second highest scorer was Ormerod with 5, Fernanades 3 and the Svenssons 2 each. Beattie's great season was our salvation he scored 23 of only 43 league goals. At least now we have some alternatives to look at. When you look at the amount of game time Rodriguez has had compared to Lambert; its probably about the same. So I'm not sure what it is you're asking for. We typically play one up front, and have shared that role around an awful lot. When we play 4-4-2 both of them start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Not convinced by a midfield 3 of Cork, Davis and Morgan with AL, Ramirez and Lambert up top but each to their own. At least the defence get a bit more protection. Reckon the top 3 could work, Lallana is great at making decent little runs behind defenders. He can pull them all over the place, I don't like him shackled to a wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I'd be surprised if he starts, but you never know. And he's going to be a bit rusty to be fair, so let's not expect any miracles from him on Monday. He's not a CB is he? But great news all the same, should give everyone a shot in the arm as he is genuinely, at this moment in time, light years better than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 thank fook, we've seriously missed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 When you look at the amount of game time Rodriguez has had compared to Lambert; its probably about the same. So I'm not sure what it is you're asking for. We typically play one up front, and have shared that role around an awful lot. When we play 4-4-2 both of them start. AS for game time; Jay Rod has started 5 games and been subbed in 3 of those. Rickie has started 7 and subbed 3 times but came on as sub. once (Man City). I won't bothering to counting the minutes but it's a bit different. However, I think you were one of many people who noted that Jay Rod wasn't very effective in his early games when being forced to play left wing. I though he looked quite a different player in the Spurs game where (despite the result) he looked more of a threat. Our conversations have drifted off my original post which was about trying to avoid total dependance on RL ....and the necessity of giving our alternatives (Mayuka, Lee) ....a bit of playing time. Personally I don't see Guly as a real striker despite the fact that when called upon last season he netted 9 times before Christmas, and in several cases won the points in those games. However, like some others in the squad - he doesn't seem to have made the transition to the higher level in only 3 games +3sub.apps. I fully expect to see Rickie playing in every league match this season, but not necessarily from the start each time. That's not my wish, but NA has to justify the acquisition of the others named - even if they weren't his choices and he did / didn't buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Good news but the worse defence in the League will ensure that we still lose this game. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 (edited) IMO if Adkins doesn't start the team that was improved immensely on Sunday by adding Mayuka to the other two strikers in a 433 that actually worked, he's daft, it will just be another failure. Ramirez and Cork on the bench after their lay offs should be as far as it goes. Ramirez hasn't played for five weeks, Cork was pretty poor v Sheff Wed after six weeks out and has been out another five weeks since then and both will need games to get match fit. The only doubt should be the Boruc situation/Gazzaniga to come back in. Having said that I can see another compromise team coming that more than likely won't be good enough. Edited 2 November, 2012 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I'd go along with that..with Rickie coming on fresh in the second half. If some of the people on this site could accept that Rickie doesn't HAVE to start every game, and that he could make a big impact coming on (as per Man.City)..things might be quieter on here. There's nothing wrong with that idea in principle....(I notice there isn't big headlines every time Wayne Rooney is on the bench - and so it is for us) .........Having spent all that dosh on Jay Rod, we've got to give him a go and he might start scoring regularly now .... If that happens ...and we win everyone will applaud Adkins' great tactical move Lambert needs to start games and be subbed late second half.. he's not an IMPACT sub.. did u not notice the instant linking betwen Ramirez and lambert - why ?... becoz they are on the same wave length.. above anyone else in our squad. Rodrigues may become a Premier striker ( I have my doubts) but should start on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Good news but the worse defence in the League will ensure that we still lose this game. Highly likely, but I would prefer to hope that the last few weeks the squad has been drilling for this moment. If its business as usual against WBA, with the same issues, we are done for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 WBA will smash us. This is a tougher fixture than Spurs at home IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 after Gulys' performance on Tuesday he should NEVER play for this great club again imho Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Not convinced by a midfield 3 of Cork, Davis and Morgan with AL, Ramirez and Lambert up top but each to their own. Why not? Prob the best we have available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Ramirez is clearly a good player - he bloody well should be at this money - but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's a outstanding footballing talent in the same class that MLT was for us in the past. It's good he's coming back, but Gaston Ramirez alone won't save us this season I'm afraid. It's a obvious thing to say but I'll say it anyway - our only chance of avoiding relegation is learning to shore up our terrible defence somehow. Answers on a postcard as to how we do that with these players ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Gaston is a special talent. I suggest you appreciate him while we have him, he's still very young but hugely talented. He will become a fan favourite for this club as he's just superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I took from the interview that Gaston would play but Cork may only make the bench. So hopefully its something like the following: ---------------Boruc---------------- Clyne-----Fonte-----Maya------Fox- ------Schneiderlin----Davis---------- --------------Ramirez--------------- Lallana--------------------Rodriguez --------------Lambert--------------- Subs: Davis, Hooiveld, Cork, JWP, Puncheon, Mayuka, Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ---------------Davis---------------- Clyne-----Fonte-----Maya------Fox- ------Schneiderlin----Cork---------- --------------Davis--------------- ------Ramirez-----Lallana--------- ------------Lambert--------------- Subs: Gazza, Hooiveld, Chappers, JWP, Puncheon, Mayuka, Rodriguez Yes, I know. But they're all **** in my humble opinion, so we may as well throw the one that's been playing for years back there. FACT. THIS. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Oh woes...we were very complacent close season. The defence makes even a dalek weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 THAT team, in that line up..with possibly Lambert up front...and Mayuka in there at time...but THAT team, with THAT shape is what it is all about.. by far better than many teams that have come up and stayed up over the years.... all of a sudden, the bench looks haf decent too 1110% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Oh woes...we were very complacent close season. The defence makes even a dalek weep. But we have Gaston, Gaston Ramirez... To this sort of tune [video=youtube;NKR2n-G-wdM] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Why not? Prob the best we have available. We need pace in the team -just think with AL and Ramirez playing off Lambert, we'll become very narrow and play very deep, making it easy for defenses to step up and squeeze. It would help if we had runners from midfield but to date Cork and Morgan have shown little appetite to gamble or get forward. Maybe Davis is the man to step up but I would hardly call him box-to-box. Our poor run last Xmas coincided with playing 3 CMs and having no pace in the team to counteract the lack of movement from midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Now that Ramirez is back, anyone who wasn't going to go fancy going now? Spare ticket £15 no booking fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 after Gulys' performance on Tuesday he should NEVER play for this great club again imhobin sayin that all season, get him out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 We need pace in the team -just think with AL and Ramirez playing off Lambert, we'll become very narrow and play very deep, making it easy for defenses to step up and squeeze. It would help if we had runners from midfield but to date Cork and Morgan have shown little appetite to gamble or get forward. Maybe Davis is the man to step up but I would hardly call him box-to-box. Our poor run last Xmas coincided with playing 3 CMs and having no pace in the team to counteract the lack of movement from midfield. You are so right. Adkins has to start picking teams that click not names on a team sheet. The only way we will be able to play 433 is put the three strikers up front and then three from Ramirez, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Davis. How many holding players that don't defend do we need FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 AS for game time; I fully expect to see Rickie playing in every league match this season, but not necessarily from the start each time. That's not my wish, but NA has to justify the acquisition of the others named - even if they weren't his choices and he did / didn't buy them. It would concern me if Adkins was playing someone simply to justify their acquisition. Players should only be selected on their ability, current form, fitness and effectiveness; factors such as who bought them or how much they cost are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 .he wont score every game but he still remains our biggest goat threat and at the mo.. Do we need a goat threat then!? Top typo TDD :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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