pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I don't doubt that politician etc don't get up to some seriously deviant ****, I just doubt the ability to keep it quiet. The example you cite was totally transparent and in reality probably fooled very few. Most Germans really didn't want to go to war. At that point, why on earth would they? Austria and Czechoslovakia incorporated into the Reich. I know it seems very transparent in hindsight, but at the time, Hitler needed it for his own people. Poland had been agitating toward Germany for years before and cosying up with France, etc. Then you've got the issue of Danzig, isolated from the rest of Germany. The Poles weren't well-liked. Most Germans would have believed it; those who didn't would have kept quiet. As I said in an earlier post, it isn't kept quiet. Stuff gets out, but as long as you can control the media people see, it really doesn't matter. There is a shocking lack of plurality in ownership of big media companies. That's only going to get worse as companies absorb each other in mergers. Doesn't matter how many honest journalists you might have; they don't have editorial control. Aren't you also assuming that everyone involved in a conspiracy has to be in on the conspiracy. I keep making the point about hierarchy because it is perhaps the biggest enabler of any conspiracy; people following orders without question. Look at the coppers who changed their Hillsborough statements when the orders come down. It has been proven time and time again that major sh!t can be kept completely under wraps for decades. I'm not quite sure why you think the whole world would know about it, or would blab about it if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I don't see the point of banding around names before anything has even been stated. Judging by the amount of names flying around, they are probably all invented from the murky depths of the internet. And as for those getting into a political orgy over this, stop. Left wing, right wing has nothing to do with it. And whether it be Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem or whatever else... it is irrelevant and it doesn't make all people from that party a paedophile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Paedophiles can be all political persuasions, although in some parts of the world they form their own party http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5187010.stm That said, that party did disband in 2010 and my sources tell me that the members all moved to this country and are currently serving as MPs or tv presenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5187010.stm Thats going to stigmatise free train travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Thats going to stigmatise free train travel Ive always been suspicious of people who use trains, particularly those who skip the fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I also think those restaurants that advertise "children eat free (when accompanied by a paying adult)" are complicit in the whole paedophile culture that has developed in this country over the past couple of weeks. What if you don't have children? What are you supposed to do then? I think we all know what they want us to do, probably under the direct command from Gordon Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Ive always been suspicious of people who use trains, particularly those who skip the fare. Or pay for one level of travel while using a better, more costly, level? Tantamount to skipping a fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I also think those restaurants that advertise "children eat free (when accompanied by a paying adult)" are complicit in the whole paedophile culture that has developed in this country over the past couple of weeks. What if you don't have children? What are you supposed to do then? I think we all know what they want us to do, probably under the direct command from ***********. Very funny, worthy of a 30 second giggle fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Assuming Newsnight dont bottle it. Most of them are Tories. One of which a very rich Lord. Not a household name although his company is. Anyone with a knowledge of politics will know him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I bet the bbc lawyers are sh1tting bricks right now. The beeb is screwed. If they publish they risk getting sued to buggery and beyond. If they don't then they will be accused of a cover up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Yeah there are no conspiracies. In the last couple of years alone, none of these happened: MPs expenses, Hillsborough truth, Phone hacking by NI, Jimmy Savile, etc etc. etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Yeah there are no conspiracies. In the last couple of years alone, none of these happened: MPs expenses, Hillsborough truth, Phone hacking by NI, Jimmy Savile, etc etc. etc etc. You forgot Saddam's huge stock of WMD's in that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Could be noncesense. Haha nearly missed this little gem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Can someone wake Bearsy up. Us ex pats need a professional review of the show to read over our breakfast in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Indeed. I also assume you don't realise that I am the person you were chatting to about it the other morning on Twitter No I didn't, DPS! I think you were one of the first people I added from here. I know better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Tory. What's the point if they won't name him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem john redwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem John Redwood I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 did they name anyone or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 did they name anyone or not? No, not enough evidence. it will come out though, a senior torie from the dark days of thatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Seems like this has been an open secret for some years. Newsnight video and report now on-line here. More coverage here (names named). http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/ One of the abused, Steve Meesham, is shown in the video asking David Cameron to make good on his sound-bite that victims of abuse need to be believed. Surely, this was under Newsnight editorial direction. Clever, because Cameron could be forced to comment on the news report if public opinion gets behind it. So why sit on this for so long? is the BBC, or probably the Newsnight editorial team, hanging some Tories out to dry in retribution for the Savile affair? I can't see that any new information has come to light. Perhaps it is as simple as reviewing all old allegations in the light of public uproar over Savile. Perhaps it was Tom Watson's question in the 'Commons last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem John Bedwood I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem John Wedwood I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem Wasn't it John Deadwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 If this investigation is allowed to proceed, unhindered by the establishment, it could be the biggest political bombshell in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 This latest claim is the same enquiry that saw dave jones wrongly charged with abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Joan bogwood, one of dunes favourites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem John Redknapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Seems like this has been an open secret for some years. Newsnight video and report now on-line here. More coverage here (names named). http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/ One of the abused, Steve Meesham, is shown in the video asking David Cameron to make good on his sound-bite that victims of abuse need to be believed. Surely, this was under Newsnight editorial direction. Clever, because Cameron could be forced to comment on the news report if public opinion gets behind it. So why sit on this for so long? is the BBC, or probably the Newsnight editorial team, hanging some Tories out to dry in retribution for the Savile affair? I can't see that any new information has come to light. Perhaps it is as simple as reviewing all old allegations in the light of public uproar over Savile. Perhaps it was Tom Watson's question in the 'Commons last week? That blog has some damning accusations on it. It's political dynamite. Tom Watson's question could have opened a massive can of worms. I would imagine the super-injunction lawyers think that Christmas has come a bit early this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Who was the tory mp, minister for Wales who couldn't sing the national anthem John Westwood - certainly looks a wrong'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Seems like this has been an open secret for some years. Newsnight video and report now on-line here. More coverage here (names named). http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/ One of the abused, Steve Meesham, is shown in the video asking David Cameron to make good on his sound-bite that victims of abuse need to be believed. Surely, this was under Newsnight editorial direction. Clever, because Cameron could be forced to comment on the news report if public opinion gets behind it. So why sit on this for so long? is the BBC, or probably the Newsnight editorial team, hanging some Tories out to dry in retribution for the Savile affair? I can't see that any new information has come to light. Perhaps it is as simple as reviewing all old allegations in the light of public uproar over Savile. Perhaps it was Tom Watson's question in the 'Commons last week? Interesting to see some of our past/present politicians implicated in these horror stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Seems like this has been an open secret for some years. Newsnight video and report now on-line here. More coverage here (names named). http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/ One of the abused, Steve Meesham, is shown in the video asking David Cameron to make good on his sound-bite that victims of abuse need to be believed. Surely, this was under Newsnight editorial direction. Clever, because Cameron could be forced to comment on the news report if public opinion gets behind it. So why sit on this for so long? is the BBC, or probably the Newsnight editorial team, hanging some Tories out to dry in retribution for the Savile affair? I can't see that any new information has come to light. Perhaps it is as simple as reviewing all old allegations in the light of public uproar over Savile. Perhaps it was Tom Watson's question in the 'Commons last week? That blog also implicates Hampshire County Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/397824/20121024/tom-watson-child-sex-ring-sire-peter.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 To be fair Pap, nothing is immense in this whole situation. And if it turns out it is him, it will have been covered up by others high up in the Labour party. This could be the end of the Labour party as we know it IF allegations are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 It's not a Tory MP....it's seen a senior Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I must admit the silence from Labour is deafening. Why are they not jumping up and down to demand an enquiry based on the Newsnight program? Unless of course they have something to hide themselves..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Most of labour are alien lizards so they can't talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/65037/sunday_express_saturday_3rd_november_2012.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I must admit the silence from Labour is deafening. Why are they not jumping up and down to demand an enquiry based on the Newsnight program? Unless of course they have something to hide themselves..... A tad unfair. It was Labour's Tom Watson who asked the question in the House about the 'senior aide close to a former Prime Minister' and Labour has been calling for an independent enquiry following the Savile abuse allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 From several links posted by myself and others in a couple of threads,these types of "people" that they alleged are not very nice, inhabit a very wide political grouping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 From several links posted by myself and others in a couple of threads,these types of "people" that they alleged are not very nice, inhabit a very wide political grouping. I don't think you should try and use this sick story for political point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 A tad unfair. It was Labour's Tom Watson who asked the question in the House about the 'senior aide close to a former Prime Minister' and Labour has been calling for an independent enquiry following the Savile abuse allegations. Any other subject if they could pin something on a Tory Millaband would have been on every news show this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Any other subject if they could pin something on a Tory Millaband would have been on every news show this morning. I honestly despair that child abuse can be considered party political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I honestly despair that child abuse can be considered party political. I agree. Pedophilia has no political boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I honestly despair that child abuse can be considered party political. Agree, maybe the Labour Party have risen above the need to score points, good for them if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Agree, maybe the Labour Party have risen above the need to score points, good for them if so. But can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Agree, maybe the Labour Party have risen above the need to score points, good for them if so. And the tories don't? they all do, get real jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 We are now getting some real pony on this thread now. Anyone who thinks one party or the other would cover this up is deluded. Equally delusional are people who believe ANY party would make political capital out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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