for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 @iainoverton: If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile. https://twitter.com/iainoverton/status/264308253033381888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 probably one of the commie lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 probably one of the commie lot. Not commie but left of centre, if they have the balls to run it. I hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Not commie but left of centre, if they have the balls to run it. I hope they do. Clue, or just unfortunate choice of words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 probably one of the commie lot. Couldn't give a fu.ck what side of the political spectrum they are on. Out the fu.cker and hope he has the guts to take his own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Posted on the Savile thread about this, but some have alleged that it is Gordon Brown. That would be immense if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 If true and at the risk of being sensationalist.... Find him, draw him, quarter him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Posted on the Savile thread about this, but some have alleged that it is Gordon Brown. That would be immense if true. To be fair Pap, nothing is immense in this whole situation. And if it turns out it is him, it will have been covered up by others high up in the Labour party. This could be the end of the Labour party as we know it IF allegations are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Posted on the Savile thread about this, but some have alleged that it is Gordon Brown. That would be immense if true. Another ex-PM has been mentioned on that thread and on the twitter feed linked above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 This could very well be a key to the next election. Unless it's a liberal democrat of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I give the mods another half an hour before they start squawking about libel risks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 It'll be somebody who's dead, obviously. It's amazing how many column inches you can fill with sensationalist allegations against somebody who can't sue you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 To be fair Pap, nothing is immense in this whole situation. And if it turns out it is him, it will have been covered up by others high up in the Labour party. This could be the end of the Labour party as we know it IF allegations are true. A further allegation is that the UK was blackmailed into the Iraq War after details of Operation Ore found their way into the hands of the US intelligence service, so it's potentially much bigger than a cover-up. You are right about the Labour Party though. If it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I give the mods another half an hour before they start squawking about libel risks 5 minutes tbf. Please don't randomly name people as per some of the posts I have deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 A further allegation is that the UK was blackmailed into the Iraq War after details of Operation Ore found their way into the hands of the US intelligence service That whole theory is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24915-Libel-Reminder-Use-of-Main-Board-Rules-Useful-Links&p=831595#post831595 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 That whole theory is laughable. This. Especially since the info Ore was based on came from the FBI anyway. I wonder how they blackmailed us into the first Gulf war and Afghanistan - threatening to reveal X Factor is fixed and what happened next in Emmerdale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Watched an old film about the Profumo affair yesterday, I never realised just how young Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice Davies were at the time. Certainly not children but very young girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 That whole theory is laughable. Why? Which bits particularly amused you? What needs to go to the Fringe as a one man show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Could be noncesense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 There is some rubbish being spouted here. I reckon people should wait and see if anyone is named before forming bizarre theories and lynch mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Watched an old film about the Profumo affair yesterday. Paedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 There is some rubbish being spouted here. I reckon people should wait and see if anyone is named before forming bizarre theories and lynch mobs. Where's the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 If you want fun go and read the main board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Why? Which bits particularly amused you? What needs to go to the Fringe as a one man show? The whole theory is just obviously nonsense. A country going to war to cover up some nonce politician, you need a really vivid imagination to believe that would happen. Just people with an agenda putting 2 and 2 together to make 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 This. Especially since the info Ore was based on came from the FBI anyway. I wonder how they blackmailed us into the first Gulf war and Afghanistan - threatening to reveal X Factor is fixed and what happened next in Emmerdale? As I said in the other thread, this really depends on the existence of a D-Notice. The US had UN resolutions behind them in Kuwait and Afghanistan, so blackmail wasn't required. They did not secure a security resolution for the most recent conflict in Iraq, needed us to back them up so they didn't look like isolated corporate imperialists. I find it amazing that we helped them. What was seriously in the Iraq War for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 as i said in the other thread, this really depends on the existence of a d-notice. The us had un resolutions behind them in kuwait and afghanistan, so blackmail wasn't required. They did not secure a security resolution for the most recent conflict in iraq, needed us to back them up so they didn't look like isolated corporate imperialists. I find it amazing that we helped them. What was seriously in the iraq war for us? oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 As I said in the other thread, this really depends on the existence of a D-Notice. The US had UN resolutions behind them in Kuwait and Afghanistan, so blackmail wasn't required. They did not secure a security resolution for the most recent conflict in Iraq, needed us to back them up so they didn't look like isolated corporate imperialists. I find it amazing that we helped them. What was seriously in the Iraq War for us? What was in it for us? Ask the multi-million pound earning business consultant Tony Blair... It wasn't a conspiracy, just a greedy, deluded c.nt who believed his own hype, enabling him to justify anything to himself. Anyway, remind me who was the other person to resign over the Westland affair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The whole theory is just obviously nonsense. A country going to war to cover up some nonce politician, you need a really vivid imagination to believe that would happen. Just people with an agenda putting 2 and 2 together to make 27. Depends. Without naming names again, that is one serious politician, especially at the time. Might not just have been him, or confined to the sphere of elected politicians. As for a vivid imagination? Possibly, but blackmail has been a tool in trade of the intelligence services and elsewhere for centuries. DPS made the point earlier about how a political party might be destroyed by these allegations. I'm actually inclined to agree with you that one bloke is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I'm actually inclined to agree with you that one bloke is not enough. Are you now suggesting that the whole cabinet of the time where nonces? You love a conspiracy theory! I'm surprised you aren't aware of this sort of thing, which might explain why we went to Iraq http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2005-11-22/oil-multinationals-making-out-bandits-iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The politician gave Neil and Christine Hamilton an alibi in 2001... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 What was in it for us? Ask the multi-million pound earning business consultant Tony Blair... It wasn't a conspiracy, just a greedy, deluded c.nt who believed his own hype, enabling him to justify anything to himself.Anyway, remind me who was the other person to resign over the Westland affair? This explanation is much much simpler and much much more likely to be the truth. I love a good conspiracy theory but such massive cover-ups would rely on loads and loads of people keeping completely stum and for this reason alone they are nearly always unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 This explanation is much much simpler and much much more likely to be the truth. I love a good conspiracy theory but such massive cover-ups would rely on loads and loads of people keeping completely stum and for this reason alone they are nearly always unbelievable. but they do happen... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 but they do happen... right? Well no, apart from the faked moon landings which everyone now knows was a conspiracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 This explanation is much much simpler and much much more likely to be the truth. I love a good conspiracy theory but such massive cover-ups would rely on loads and loads of people keeping completely stum and for this reason alone they are nearly always unbelievable. Er, no. They just rely on a hierarchy, murder, disinformation and scapegoating or when none of the above work, kept under wraps for 100 years under a D-Notice under the guise of national security. It's also not the case that everyone keeps schtum either. That's precisely why you need the murder component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Er, no. They just rely on a hierarchy, murder, disinformation and scapegoating or when none of the above work, kept under wraps for 100 years under a D-Notice under the guise of national security. It's also not the case that everyone keeps schtum either. That's precisely why you need the murder component. time to put on the tin-foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The politician gave Neil and Christine Hamilton an alibi in 2001... Now that wouldn't shock me, assuming it proves to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The whole theory is just obviously nonsense. A country going to war to cover up some nonce politician, you need a really vivid imagination to believe that would happen. Just people with an agenda putting 2 and 2 together to make 27. it's when 1 into 1 equals less than 16 it becomes a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Are you now suggesting that the whole cabinet of the time where nonces? You love a conspiracy theory! I'm surprised you aren't aware of this sort of thing, which might explain why we went to Iraq http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2005-11-22/oil-multinationals-making-out-bandits-iraq I am guilty of loving a conspiracy theory. I'd believe all of them if I could. It's a good link which demonstrates a little of your point and a little of mine. I appreciate that Iraq has vast oil reserves. I can see that there are some British companies doing very well out of it. That doesn't really answer the question of what we, the British public got out of it. The economic activity generated by the oil coming out of Iraq, be that transportation, tax take, shareholder dividends, etc? I'd say that's about the size of it. Our position in parts of the world has been massively eroded as a result of this specific conflict; I thought Afghanistan was a sledge-hammer to crack a walnut, was proven right on that too. Iraq was totally unjustifiable and was nothing more than part of the neo-conservative's New American Century, the one where they'd consolidate their power as the world's sole superpower. Well, top job there, lads. Iran is now the big boy in the region and rather than show its strength, the US has actually shown the limits of its power and lost a whole chunk of its moral authority. If the cause was so just, why didn't France and Germany weigh in? If the evidence was so strong, why didn't the US secure a resolution from the UN, when it did with Kuwait and Afghanistan? It was a war of aggression; the whole world, including us, knew that from the outset. Our own Prime Minister invented a case for war, knowing that it would be shown to be a lie, knowing that it would forever tarnish his reputation. We just happened to go along with it. Now I'm happy to accommodate the fact that Blair might have been a narcissistic pr!ck who saw being a War Prime Minister as a statesman badge he had to have. Perhaps that's true. But equally, I'm not happy to accept anything as "set" either. New evidence can often provide context to old events. You need look no further than the Louis Theroux Jimmy Savile program for that. What might have been mistaken for quirky old-skool eccentricity looks crystal clear now. I believe they call it the benefit of hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 is Big Brother always watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 time to put on the tin-foil hat. Yawn. All conspiracy theories are equally unbelievable claim shocker. Do me a favour. Go find out how every war in the last 100 years got going. Then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 is Big Brother always watching? I hope not. But my Galaxy S3 knows when I am looking at it. Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I hope not. But my Galaxy S3 knows when I am looking at it. Maybe My Microsoft Surface doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 My Microsoft Surface doesn't... Your Microsoft Surface has the resolution that the US did for the Iraq War; none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Your Microsoft Surface has the resolution that the US did for the Iraq War; none. Indeed. I also assume you don't realise that I am the person you were chatting to about it the other morning on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 (edited) Yawn. All conspiracy theories are equally unbelievable claim shocker. Do me a favour. Go find out how every war in the last 100 years got going. Then we'll talk. Why? Aren't the causes of WW1 and WW2 for example not well understood? Or are you going to tell me that Hitler only kicked things off in the late thirties because Ming the Merciless knew that Goering was a wrong 'un? Edited 2 November, 2012 by anothersaintinsouthsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Why? Aren't the causes of WW1 and WW2 for example pretty not well understood? Or are you going to tell me that Hitler only kicked things off in the late thirties because Ming the Merciless knew that Goering was a wrong 'un? No, I mean that in 1939, shortly before the invasion of Poland, Hitler staged an attack in which Polish aggressors attacked a German customs post and post office near the border town of Gleiwitz, black propaganda that Hitler sold to his own people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 No, I mean that in 1939, shortly before the invasion of Poland, Hitler staged an attack in which Polish aggressors attacked a German customs post and post office near the border town of Gleiwitz, black propaganda that Hitler sold to his own people. I don't doubt that politician etc don't get up to some seriously deviant ****, I just doubt the ability to keep it quiet. The example you cite was totally transparent and in reality probably fooled very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 No, I mean that in 1939, shortly before the invasion of Poland, Hitler staged an attack in which Polish aggressors attacked a German customs post and post office near the border town of Gleiwitz, black propaganda that Hitler sold to his own people. Makes you wonder what's going down in Whitstable. http://www.whitstablepeople.co.uk/MP-reveals-town-s-post-office-faces-threat/story-17210149-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Found another paedo, married a 13 year old... FARRINGDON TUBE STATION The station is in Clerkenwell in the London Borough of Islington. It serves the Metropolitan, the Hammersmith & City and the Circle Lines and is said to be haunted by the ghost of a 13 year old girl named Ann or Annie Naylor, an apprentice hat maker. This unfortunate girl was brutally murdered in 1758 by the man to whom she was indentured and his wife. The murder took place in a building that was demolished to make way for the station which opened in September 1863. Many people, over the years, have heard her tormented screams and cries in the bowels of the station earning her the nick-name of “the Screaming Spectre”. As you can tell, after looking at a conspiracy theories website I am now reading about ghosts on the tube... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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