georgeweahscousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ....find out here:- http://georgeweahscousin.com/2012/11/02/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hasn't Nigel been in charge for two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Was going to write ' the same as the league table stands DUUURH' but very good read sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ....find out here:- http://georgeweahscousin.com/2012/11/02/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/ my my we've had some sh*t managers. Don't much rate any of them except for Hoddle and 'Arry. We sacked the best manager we've had in a long time for some unknown reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 12 managers in all, you just forget how many we have had when you include Burley, Porthole etc as well, quite scary. Just proves you need some stability for once and mental strength, not panicking 6 times at every game FGS! (Team, first half, half time, subs, full time and post match reaction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 my my we've had some sh*t managers. Don't much rate any of them except for Hoddle and 'Arry. We sacked the best manager we've had in a long time for some unknown reason. Who? Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Who? Pardew? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 conclusion - we are rubbish and always have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 A club of our size will never have the resources to have the strength in depth everyone craves - but we can and should do Ok when we have the best 11 out there - injuries have not helped so far, nor has the need to still find our best 11! Will rate Adkins after he has had 10 game sor so with his best side available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 conclusion - we are rubbish and always have been This is probably one of the key problems at the moment, the good times over the past couple of seasons where we've been winning games (and in style) have allowed many fans to forget that what we're seeing now isn't saints being really really bad, it's just saints being a little worse than we used to be. It's about surviving not about coming top four and I think all the talk of pushing on and challenging for europe clouded a lot of peoples judgement. We have plenty of time to sort out some problems, get a few more additions to the squad and push on up the table to that 17th, 16th or even 15th position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 yep In that case, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 A club of our size will never have the resources to have the strength in depth everyone craves - but we can and should do Ok when we have the best 11 out there - injuries have not helped so far' date=' nor has the need to still find our best 11! Will rate Adkins after he has had 10 game sor so with his best side available.[/quote'] You'll have a long wait then. I doubt any manager in the Premier League gets to play their best side 10 times a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 A club of our size will never have the resources to have the strength in depth everyone craves I thought this was a fantastic new era for the club where anything is possible and we just have to believe and we can be in the Champions League. What happened to that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ....find out here:- http://georgeweahscousin.com/2012/11/02/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/ I always like stats. they prove things that most people overlook , or can't be bothered to consider... Btw I published some of this info. two days ago under a headline ...O ye of short memory...and got canned by some of the usual pessimists, so don't expect everyone to appreciate your efforts. good text though....tnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I thought this was a fantastic new era for the club where anything is possible and we just have to believe and we can be in the Champions League. What happened to that then? Markus died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 You'll have a long wait then. I doubt any manager in the Premier League gets to play their best side 10 times a season. ......and then (sadly) it's often against the lowly sides that you'd beat anyway. Just when you need that sort of player for the Chelsea's and Man Utd's .....the players you really want aren't available / are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I thought this was a fantastic new era for the club where anything is possible and we just have to believe and we can be in the Champions League. What happened to that then? Ah the usual voice of balanced discussion.... or not, more like the voice who cant resist using droll sarcasm, when common sense would be a more meaningful and credibel response.... Maybe you have forgotten a fair bit, or simply chose to ignore key points to score cheap points, but either way, you are wide off the mark. YOu know as well as anyone else that the 'ambition' is there to build a self sustaining model that will be fuelled by youth and home grown talent - the question is not whether this is realistic or not, but whether we can create an environment and culture in which the better players want to stay at least for a first full term on their contract - say until 21/22 rather than leaving at 15-17 as soon as some top 4 club comewaving a cheque book. Get teh scouting right and get lucky with a crop, get teh environment right so they stay for a bit, and its possible to have cyclical success as seen in other countries - here we ned to get over the 'I want it now' attitude demonstrated by many younger players and fuelled by their arse wipe agents. Still even if we get this right, if we are self sustaining we will not have the money to have a 35+ 1st team squad of seasoned pros able to step in without noticing any fall in quality as the very top or biggets sides have - you know that as well as I do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ......and then (sadly) it's often against the lowly sides that you'd beat anyway. Just when you need that sort of player for the Chelsea's and Man Utd's .....the players you really want aren't available / are injured. Would we? Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Who? Pardew? Probably who he meant but going back further, Chris Nicholl was the best manager we ever sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Pretty good but largely irrelevant as the circumstances are different in each case in terms of teams played and the PL is a very different place now than it was then in terms of quality of teams etc. Also a word of support for Mr Wigley - he had horrendous injury problems when he was in charge and got the boot when the players started to return but the article is correct he was not suitable appointment as he was a better coach than manager. Hang on a minute we have had a few of those - Big Dave and the two Dutch boys just to start the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Good article but a bit depressing as the only thing I take away from this is that we are not very good at selecting managers! Maybe that's the skill set we should be trying to develop to avoid making the same mistakes over and over again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Probably who he meant but going back further, Chris Nicholl was the best manager we ever sacked. yes big mistake; what's he doing now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hoddle was our best manager and rejected by the vocal minority in 2004. Big mistake and still baffles me and most Saints supporters. When you consider the clubs subsequent nose dive, it is little wonder that the vocal minority want to bury their part in this episode. Explains the vocal minority abuse of me as it is something they would like to distance themselves from or be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hoddle was our best manager and rejected by the vocal minority in 2004. Big mistake and still baffles me and most Saints supporters. When you consider the clubs subsequent nose dive, it is little wonder that the vocal minority want to bury their part in this episode. Explains the vocal minority abuse of me as it is something they would like to distance themselves from or be forgotten. No, its because you are so repetitive about it.... no one knows what/if may or may not have happened had he returned - that's life so fricken move on. Stuck record /wind up or whatever, but its tedious in the extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 No' date=' its because you are so repetitive about it.... no one knows what/if may or may not have happened had he returned - that's life so fricken move on. Stuck record /wind up or whatever, but its tedious in the extreme[/quote'] I might assume you were one of the vocal minority by your response. You cannot bury your mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I might assume you were one of the vocal minority by your response. You cannot bury your mistake. Er no, did not care if he had returned or not - football of BS about turncoats and loyalty - Look at the postive reaction when edknapp arrived.... so no 'mistake' from me. try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Er no' date=' did not care if he had returned or not - football of BS about turncoats and loyalty - Look at the postive reaction when edknapp arrived.... so no 'mistake' from me. try again[/quote'] Find it surprising that you did not care about whether Hoddle returned or not at a critical time in our clubs history. Very surprising indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 yes big mistake; what's he doing now ? Coaching role at Walsall with Dean Smith last I heard and having a positive impact according to the fans - helped them avoid relegation 2010/11. Really good bloke and of course MLT made his debut under his watch. He managed that well (although Matt says he did not apprecia at the time the need to rest young players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hoddle was our best manager and rejected by the vocal minority in 2004. Big mistake and still baffles me and most Saints supporters. Please can you direct us to any evidence of ANYONE who actually STILL gives a shiny sh!t about this these days, other than you you tiresome bellend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hoddle was our best manager and rejected by the vocal minority in 2004. Big mistake and still baffles me and most Saints supporters. When you consider the clubs subsequent nose dive, it is little wonder that the vocal minority want to bury their part in this episode. Explains the vocal minority abuse of me as it is something they would like to distance themselves from or be forgotten. Part of the vocal minority and I for one never want to bury my part in it. I'm still glad he never came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Part of the vocal minority and I for one never want to bury my part in it. I'm still glad he never came back. Good for you, at least you have the guts to admit your part in the downfall of the club, unlike the other liily livered cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Please can you direct us to any evidence of ANYONE who actually STILL gives a shiny sh!t about this these days, other than you you tiresome bellend? Anorther one who would probably like the whole affair airbrushed out of history. Hope you didn't feel too bad whwn you crucified the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 ....find out here:- http://georgeweahscousin.com/2012/11/02/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/ Thank God for MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Anorther one who would probably like the whole affair airbrushed out of history. Hope you didn't feel too bad whwn you crucified the club. I had absolutly no issues with Hoddle back then (other than his strange comments about disabled people), likewise I used to love my sinclair zx spectrum back in the 80's. But that was then and many years on I've gotten over it and moved on. I'm not sure anyone is still yearning for the days of horace goes skiing, and as per my previous post I don't know of anyone other than you who still gets their panties in a twist about something that didn't happen with our club almost a decade ago. For me, I find it more annoying that you're allowed to spam this forum with the same old sh!t day after day, week after week, month after month, year after ****ing year, yet as soon as I call you a tedious ***t I get a warning / infraction points (apply whatever happens on this occasion). As I said before, direct us to some evidence of other people who share your opinion, otherwise shut the **** up and focus on your latest borefest about us now adopting a yo-yo strategy, at least that's new(ish) for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I had absolutly no issues with Hoddle back then (other than his strange comments about disabled people), likewise I used to love my sinclair zx spectrum back in the 80's. But that was then and many years on I've gotten over it and moved on. I'm not sure anyone is still yearning for the days of horace goes skiing, and as per my previous post I don't know of anyone other than you who still gets their panties in a twist about something that didn't happen with our club almost a decade ago. For me, I find it more annoying that you're allowed to spam this forum with the same old sh!t day after day, week after week, month after month, year after ****ing year, yet as soon as I call you a tedious ***t I get a warning / infraction points (apply whatever happens on this occasion). As I said before, direct us to some evidence of other people who share your opinion, otherwise shut the **** up and focus on your latest borefest about us now adopting a yo-yo strategy, at least that's new(ish) for you. Hope you are clam and can read this in a rational manner. As you read this site regularly you will know ther are plenty of people who hold the same view as me over the failure to appoint Hoddle in 2004 and its consequence. As for bringin the issue up, yes it is history, but are you suggesting we ignore history and just live in the present ? To do that would be ensuring that one was blind to the future and is likley to make the same mistake again. Bury the past ? The Dalek will never allow this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Nice collection of stats - shame you had to mention Jones court case, I would have thought a Saints fan site would allow him to be disassociated from the terrible false allegations made against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Nice collection of stats - shame you had to mention Jones court case, I would have thought a Saints fan site would allow him to be disassociated from the terrible false allegations made against him. Those allegations and pending court case almost certainly would have had a negative effect on him..and then us He was quite rightly allowed to go and clear his name... But is would be a massive variable on his results record.... Which was being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 What was being discussed was his first 9 games, so the reason for his departure wasn't relevant. He was falsly accused by a couple of scum bags and so should be treated with complete disdain. As a Saints fan writing the piece the text either shouldnt have mention it or be far more sympathetic than he was, shame he cant be allow to forget it even amongst friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 3 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Nice collection of stats - shame you had to mention Jones court case, I would have thought a Saints fan site would allow him to be disassociated from the terrible false allegations made against him. I did put 'unfounded', but his reasons for leaving are entirely relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 (edited) Would we? Are you sure? going back to your own point.#12. Every manager knows the side he'd like to pick, but it's Sod's Law that governs.. who's fit / available etc. Being without key players often decides the final result. I'm sure Adkins' best side would have included Jack Cork who featured in every League game last season. Unfortunately no attention was paid to the back line which needed some serious additions in the summer - but got little. Our two "remaining" CB's showed all their defensive shortcomings, and Kelvin Davis' record number of clean sheets last season counted for nothing when he stood behind that lot, and we had two full backs who were great at overlapping, but .....very average as defenders. However, we're stuck with what we have....... The very brief view we've had of Ramirez showed that he is a class player. Having predictably lost those early games (that many people had expected) he showed a bit of style v. Fulham and even scored against Everton. Of all the players we might have lost through injury, we had the bad luck to be without him. Being without the likes of him or Lambert or Lallana would have a similar effect. On early season showing, we have little alternative choice as to who we pick from.... the rest. Sadly few of them have inspired confidence in the rest of the team.....or the fans. Edited 4 November, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I think you are wrong about hoddles record. We were in relegation zone when he took over and I think we were 8th when he left 3 points of champions league at start of April. He was awesome for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I wonder if we were the 7th biggest spenders in Europe under any of those other managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I did put 'unfounded', but his reasons for leaving are entirely relevant. The only fact that was relevant was that he wasn't sacked, this would have been consistant with the text for all the other managers in your piece. You don't mention Ball leaving because he felt under valued, Strachan annoucing he was leaving half way through the season. These are relevant if you think the Jones stuff is, but just like a real journalist you cant resist the selacious, lack of respect imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Sturrocks win percentage was second best only to hoddle. Wasn't here long though but the team were declining after strachan too. Was harshly treated imO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I wonder if we were the 7th biggest spenders in Europe under any of those other managers? Funny all that talk of "we've never had this investment before, Champion's League here we come" has died out and the precise same people are suddenly desperate to reclassify us as tiny little plucky little Southampton and chiding anyone expecting us to win a game as being "impatient" and unrealistic. Funny that. Turns out the Dell-sized mentality was right after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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