the stain Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Another thread hijacked by the usual prolific, sniping spammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Ramerez is a glory buy that that Cortese had to push through once he'd put his money were his mouth was. A buy designed to appease the fans if this guy was so good united and arsenal would have had him on the radar he's a decent player but one pricey buy doesn't make a team. What's most tragic is the purchase of ramerez has cost us the opportunity of buying a decent defence as the money allocated is already gone! And you know this how? Are you on the Saints Board? From what little info that is public, we clearly tried to sign a number of defenders, even before, during and after the Ramerez saga. So funds and intent to sort the defence appear to have been there - why we did not manage to pull it off is another matter, but then is it not NC that is in charge of the actual transfer negotiations after NA has identified and requested the targets?? Not that anyone on here really knows, but based on this the balance of probabilty of failing to sort the defence is down to NC not NA - perphaps why he is still here? For the record, I am not blaming either - we are where we are and if we keep the faith we might be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) "He's back in full training and has been doing some amazing things in training." Like pass to a team mate? Seriously...... he has been back training for a while now but I doubt we will see him for a while as Lee was made to wait 3 weeks. Edited 1 November, 2012 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Like pass to a team mate? Seriously...... he has been back training for a while now but I doubt we will see him for a while as Lee was made to wait 3 weeks. It's a bit different to lee though surely as lee has been out pretty much since march whereas gaston only out for a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Like pass to a team mate? Seriously...... he has been back training for a while now but I doubt we will see him for a while as Lee was made to wait 3 weeks. Yeah, but Lee is half the player Ramirez is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Yeah, but Lee is half the player Ramirez is... You can't say that, Lee is our saviour. About 5 average games in the Championship means he will make the difference for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) So now its a FACT we had huge amounts of money set aside for a CB, based on a mongboard post and we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel, i guess we must also take it as gospel that he said we didnt know which centre back we wanted, something he said a week before the window shuts and 6 weeks after Adkins said we were looking to bring in one or two centre backs as a priority. This does really suggest to me that we were "going big time for a CB" or we had the same priorities as the manager. More that it was a bit of shambles. Does it to you? Fwiw, puddings and monkeys had posted this rumour before but I haven't bludgeoned people to death with it because I recognise it might not be 100% kosher. All rumours are just that rumours but some are more believable than others. Am more likely to believe low level rumours insofar as more people will have been privvy to information; rumours started by people with a track record of being ITK; rumours that are corroborated by multiple, independent sources; rumours that are closer to the norm etc etc. Nixon's word isn't gospel as he made a lot of wrong calls but he was darn sight more correct than ITKers on here and other hacks, so its worth a few more pinches of salt. Am intrigued that you always bring up Nixon's statement that we didn't know what CB we wanted. In simple English, it means we hadn't decided between our various options. It doesn't mean that we weren't serious about bringing a CB in or spending real money. It might be frustrating for a journo and it can carry risks but its not unreasonable for businesses to establish other parties interest in trading but then keep options open, going for the kill only late in the day. Edited 2 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 It's a bit different to lee though surely as lee has been out pretty much since march whereas gaston only out for a month? Gaston has played two full 90 minutes since the Olympics I believe, hardly match fit or even close to it IMHO, but I see your point about Lee as he's been out far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Gaston has played two full 90 minutes since the Olympics I believe, hardly match fit or even close to it IMHO, but I see your point about Lee as he's been out far too long. Tbh, even if Gaston can only last 60 mins on Monday I'd still have him in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 So now its a FACT we had huge amounts of money set aside for a CB, based on a mongboard post and we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel, i guess we must also take it as gospel that he said we didnt know which centre back we wanted, something he said a week before the window shuts and 6 weeks after Adkins said we were looking to bring in one or two centre backs as a priority. This does really suggest to me that we were "going big time for a CB" or we had the same priorities as the manager. More that it was a bit of shambles. Does it to you? Nixon actually did mention a very ambitious CB target leading up to the transfer window closing. I believe he said something along the lines of it being almost as big as the Gaston deal. In addition you yourself say we were after Phillips which would have set us back about 6M anyway so it seems more money was there. It makes sense for us to have tried to pull a big coup at CB only to pull it off and leave us short defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Nixon actually did mention a very ambitious CB target leading up to the transfer window closing. I believe he said something along the lines of it being almost as big as the Gaston deal. In addition you yourself say we were after Phillips which would have set us back about 6M anyway so it seems more money was there. It makes sense for us to have tried to pull a big coup at CB only to pull it off and leave us short defensively. Yep, I did say tht and we were. But I've since been corrected on that as I've been told I make rumours up to get attention on here and the only person that knows anything is th VM Man so on that basis I'm withdrawing the Phillips thing as a lie which wa was simply attention seeking from me. Yep he did say that, he also posted that we didn't know what centre back wanted and implied that it was a bit of a mess. As I said above this was six weeks after Nige had said we were going to bring them in as a matter of priority, I recall this comment being discussed on here and Wes Ender was particularly dismissive of the comment in his usual sneering style, saying that Nixon is just a journalist who knows nothing. So to summarise, this rumour is true because of a post on a mongboard and a tweet from Nixon over two months ago. But the rumour that we didn't prioritise centre backs or know which one we wanted isn't true because it's only a post on a mongboard and tweet from Nixon over two months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Fwiw, puddings and monkeys had posted this rumour before but I haven't bludgeoned people to death with it because I recognise it might not be 100% kosher. All rumours are just that rumours but some are more believable than others. Am more likely to believe low level rumours insofar as more people will have been privvy to information; rumours started by people with a track record of being ITK; rumours that are corroborated by multiple, independent sources; rumours that are closer to the norm etc etc. Nixon's word isn't gospel as he made a lot of wrong calls but he was darn sight more correct than ITKers on here and other hacks, so its worth a few more pinches of salt. Am intrigued that you always bring up Nixon's statement that we didn't know what CB we wanted. In simple English, it means we hadn't decided between our various options. It doesn't mean that we weren't serious about bringing a CB in or spending real money. It might be frustrating for a journo and it can carry risks but its not unreasonable for businesses to establish other parties interest in trading but then keep options open, going for the kill only late in the day. Nixon implied in his tweet that is wasnt good. Don't you remember how the tweet was dismissed, particularly by Wes Ender, the words of a clueless journalist making up stories? Your interpretation of it is that we were deciding on a number of targets, mines that it don't look good that 6 weeks after Nige saying we were bring one or two centre backs in as a priority a week before the window shut we hadn't brought in any and still hadn't indentified which one we wanted to pursue. I think it's a fair enough conclusion to come to is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I prefered it when you were arguing with Delldays, that was funnier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Interesting, which CB was that? He wouldn't say. But according to the usual arse wipes on here it's all total lies, rubbish and made up stuff anyway. T@ssers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I prefered it when you were arguing with Delldays, that was funnier. He must be on breakfast duties this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 He wouldn't say. But according to the usual arse wipes on here it's all total lies, rubbish and made up stuff anyway. T@ssers. Jsut to clarify, I'm not saying it lies or made up. I'm just questioning why some people are saying its true, or more likely to be true and looking for all sorts of ways to justify it and intepreting things the way they want to to convince themselvess it true. Yet are quick to dismiss other rumours, particularly ones that might be negative as attention seeking mongboard ramblings from people who know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hurtful, amusing and quite possibly true Turkish. It appeals to me on many different levels. You are the spazboard Frankie Boyle. What's happening with Ramirez anyway? It must be one hell of a deadleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Hurtful, amusing and quite possibly true Turkish. It appeals to me on many different levels. You are the spazboard Frankie Boyle. What's happening with Ramirez anyway? It must be one hell of a deadleg. Does that mean I can sue Pap fro saying I was racist? According to a mongboard rumour he's been in full training this week. This will undoubtedly be 100% true because it's a postive rumour. Although to be fair Essruu is a good mate of mine and I know who he knows so I'm sure it is true. Although maybe, he's just sttnetion seeking and making stuff up? Who knows.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Another thread hijacked by the usual prolific, sniping spammers. Great post. Keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 (edited) Nixon implied in his tweet that is wasnt good. Don't you remember how the tweet was dismissed, particularly by Wes Ender, the words of a clueless journalist making up stories? Your interpretation of it is that we were deciding on a number of targets, mines that it don't look good that 6 weeks after Nige saying we were bring one or two centre backs in as a priority a week before the window shut we hadn't brought in any and still hadn't indentified which one we wanted to pursue. I think it's a fair enough conclusion to come to is it not? Morning fella Yep that is my interpretation - we had narrowed down who we wanted, had spoken to clubs/players but, for whatever reason, hadn't pulled the trigger. After all we were being linked with a number of CBs all summer -one of whom, Yoshida, ended up signing, so I'm pretty sure the wheels were in motion. The relatively early signing of Clyne and the timing of the Buttner deal suggests that we were after defenders from the get-go. There are any number of reasons why we didn't move earlier and ultimately didn't secure anyone. Keeping your options open makes business sense but Im happy to accept that it is a risky strategy, that by not going in earlier, we were left high and dry and out of time when no deal materialised. I'm also willing to accept that we couldn't make our minds up, that we failed to sh1t or get off the pot and are paying the consequences of our indecision. On the other hand, maybe, we saw something we didn't like or found it difficult to choose between our targets because there was no clear standout choice -and, rightly, weren't going to spend a mini fortune and spunk money up the wall without being totally certain. Or maybe we had identified a clear, no.1 target but the selling club or player couldnt make their mind up, so we shopped around, hoping the no.1 target would come back to us. Or maybe Nixon was simply guessing, that he wasn't clued up on every transaction and actually some things were advancing behind the scenes. Each of these scenarios is possible and depending on which one occurred, you can make a case for or against the club. Either way, we don't know. But what I'm pretty sure is that we didn't come to this late in the day -and I don't see anything in Nixon's tweet that suggests that. Edited 2 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The topic of this thread is called 'Does anone have an update on Ramirez fitness?' This is obviously of huge interest to dedicated Southampton fans as we all want our best player playing on Monday as we desperately need a win. So to everyone on this last page who have written irrelevant post after irrelevant post, I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped. Unless of course you 'have an update on Ramirez fitness?' Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The topic of this thread is called 'Does anone have an update on Ramirez fitness?' This is obviously of huge interest to dedicated Southampton fans as we all want our best player playing on Monday as we desperately need a win. So to everyone on this last page who have written irrelevant post after irrelevant post, I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped. Unless of course you 'have an update on Ramirez fitness?' Thanks. Are you auditioning for a mod role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The topic of this thread is called 'Does anone have an update on Ramirez fitness?' This is obviously of huge interest to dedicated Southampton fans as we all want our best player playing on Monday as we desperately need a win. So to everyone on this last page who have written irrelevant post after irrelevant post, I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped. Unless of course you 'have an update on Ramirez fitness?' Thanks. Ooooohhh get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Like pass to a team mate? Seriously...... he has been back training for a while now but I doubt we will see him for a while as Lee was made to wait 3 weeks. Would be yet another mistake in the rapidly-growing catalogue of glaring tactical errors from NA. This team desperately needs a confidence-building win after we threw away the chance to build on the Spurs second half. Lets hope in this case NC does overrule him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Any news on Cork too, Ess? Both of those back would be a bonus. Cork and Richardson should be back to full training next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Would be yet another mistake in the rapidly-growing catalogue of glaring tactical errors from NA. This team desperately needs a confidence-building win after we threw away the chance to build on the Spurs second half. Lets hope in this case NC does overrule him. Put your agenda aside for one moment.. do *you* honestly believe that if Ramirez is fit and ready to play that Nigel wont pick him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Cork and Richardson should be back to full training next week. Cork is taking his time to recover; I think we've really missed him. And having some full back cover is vital too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Cork is taking his time to recover; I think we've really missed him. And having some full back cover is vital too. Agree on missing Cork. Was all over everything last year. Defence further up the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Does anyone have an update on Ramirez fitness? For me is vital. I know he was in full training since a week ago so surely should be at least on bench Monday! The second half vs villa was like watching messi. I'm sure that Nigel Adkins knows , but he's not likely to let WBA know that sort of info. in advance - is he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Cork is taking his time to recover; I think we've really missed him. And having some full back cover is vital too. Agreed Kraken ..but most of the squad had a good pre-season and many of them are struggling already, I'd hate to think how long it might take for Jack to get upto pace.....after being out so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Be great if the return of Cork and Ramirez heralded a change in recent results. If we started to turn it round everyone would be chuffed, and everyone can go back to talking about the way the team is playing rather than all the debate on club politics , where rumours come from (personally if you hear a rumour I reckon you should just post it as a rumour and bollix to what anyone says) and such forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Agreed Kraken ..but most of the squad had a good pre-season and many of them are struggling already, I'd hate to think how long it might take for Jack to get upto pace.....after being out so long. He had his own pre-season to get ready for the Olympics, so he's not starting from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Didnt a lot of people think Cork was sh*te last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Didnt a lot of people think Cork was sh*te last season? Most people on here seem to think Morgan is the better player. I'm not one of them, never have been. I think Cork is all round better and more effective for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Didnt a lot of people think Cork was sh*te last season? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Most people on here seem to think Morgan is the better player. I'm not one of them, never have been. I think Cork is all round better and more effective for us. Really? I seem to recall a lot of moaning about him saying he was too lightweight and form dipped after a good start and so on. Personally i think Cork and Morgan make a good pair, difficult to say who is the better player as they both bring a lot to the table and he's been a big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I seem to recall a lot of moaning about him saying he was too lightweight and form dipped after a good start and so on. Personally i think Cork and Morgan make a good pair, difficult to say who is the better player as they both bring a lot to the table and he's been a big loss. And a midfield 3 of Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis is as good as we're able to put out. Those 3, Lallana and Ramirez in front of them, Lambert up top; for me, that's our best line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 And a midfield 3 of Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis is as good as we're able to put out. Those 3, Lallana and Ramirez in front of them, Lambert up top; for me, that's our best line-up. thats a very good side. TBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 And a midfield 3 of Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis is as good as we're able to put out. Those 3, Lallana and Ramirez in front of them, Lambert up top; for me, that's our best line-up. Quality line up although one thing missing is pace to get behind the defence. I am unsure if Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez can all be accommodated in starting lineup with out sacrificing the midfield. My feeling is that Mayuka and Jay Rod would suit the striker role better should AL and GR play behind. I personally would play Ramirez alongside Cork and Morgan and then have Lallana/Lambert/JayRod or Mayuka up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 thats a very good side. TBF Only because the defence is completely left out ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Quality line up although one thing missing is pace to get behind the defence. I am unsure if Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez can all be accommodated in starting lineup with out sacrificing the midfield. My feeling is that Mayuka and Jay Rod would suit the striker role better should AL and GR play behind. I personally would play Ramirez alongside Cork and Morgan and then have Lallana/Lambert/JayRod or Mayuka up top. Having Ramirez kind of negates having a set formation; the team really has to be based around him. Take him out and I'd have the same midfield 3, Lallana left and Mayuka right. I don't think there's room to have all four of Lambert, Rodriguez, Ramirez and Lallana all on the pitch at the same time (as we've done in the past), it leaves us far too vulnerable. I like Mayuka but only really see him in a RM role when Ramirez isn't playing; unless he can truly play up front on his own (though I can't see him being given that role instead of either Lambert or Rodriguez). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 thats a very good side. TBF It's a good half a side, the problem is the 5 players behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Mayuka's pace is a must - If sacrifices have to be made, I would drop AL and play Mayuka/Ramirez/Lambert with a midfield 3 of Cork/Morgan/Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Mayuka's pace is a must - If sacrifices have to be made, I would drop AL and play Mayuka/Ramirez/Lambert with a midfield 3 of Cork/Morgan/Davis. With him being skipper, simply not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 Drop Lallana? Mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 (edited) With him being skipper, simply not going to happen. Yep, I know- just think the side isn't big enough for AL/Ramirez if you want to strengthen midfield with Cork, Morgan and Davis. AL hasnt convinced on the wing. The alternative is for AL and Ramirez to play off Lambert but we would become incredibly narrow and everything would be played in front of opposing defences with no threat in behind -kind of what happened when Connolly was in the team or during our sticky spell last Xmas. Runners from midfield might mix things up but to date Cork and Morgan have shown little appetite to gamble or make runs from deep. Edited 2 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 With him being skipper, simply not going to happen. I also do not see a space for both ramirez AND lallana.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 I also do not see a space for both ramirez AND lallana.... The link up play between Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez against Villa was sublime at times. They are our best players and need to start. Puncheon should give way, not Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The link up play between Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez against Villa was sublime at times. They are our best players and need to start. Puncheon should give way, not Lallana we will have zero pace...most teams are better than villa.....no pace in the prem and we would be done for....like pretty much that we are now...not just about pace getting forward..but pace getting back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 The link up play between Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez against Villa was sublime at times. They are our best players and need to start. Puncheon should give way, not Lallana I have not been impressed by Punch at all this season. Flatters to deceive. Behind Mayuka, Lee and Guly in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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