Pilchards Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can't believe how strong the teams that Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have put out tonight. We don't have a game till next Monday and I just don't get it. Please don't say we had a tough one on Sunday as 48 hours is plenty of rest. Is Adkins scared to be ruthless and tell the fringe players I won't play you? Is he trying to keep a happy squad or something? I know the best way to bring kids forward is to play them with half decent players and not the pile of **** we have in the 3rd team. De Ridder, Chaplow, Seabourne & Jos should be shot and never to play for SFC again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 How did it work for Spurs and Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 How did it work for Spurs and Liverpool? ...and? At least they're trying to win a trophy. A trophy we should be trying to win, not last night's joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can't believe how strong the teams that Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have put out tonight. The teams playing tonight came on here last night and saw the result of NA playing a weak side and decided then and there that they would not make the same mistake. Actually the difference tonight is that all the teams playing are PL, the teams that got caught out yesterday were the ones playing lower league opposition. Sure NA completely underestimated Leeds, despite the mantra before every game of never underestimating the opposition. In actual fact we usually do the opposite and over estimated the opposition and spend the first 20 minutes playing in awe of teams that really are no better than us, and only wake up when we have gifted them a couple of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Good chance for 2nd string to prove themselves (which they didn't they just proved they're second for a reason) No point risking important players, espcially when your job is on the line (I'd rather a draw vs West Brom than a 5-0 win vs Leeds) 48 hours after the game they won't be 100% which will slow recovery times down No-one really cares about the League Cup that much (compared to staying up) I could go on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 A morale boosting win over Spurs for Norwich who took the League Cup more seriously than us - let's see where their momentum takes then now!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 A morale boosting win over Spurs for Norwich who took the League Cup more seriously than us - let's see where their momentum takes then now!?! Winning breeds confidence, Im trying to workout if any player in our team has not tasted a victory yet this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Fox, Guly & Jos for starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 But this cup is also very much about the draw. if you get a home game you are more likely to play with a stronger team and the big difference for me is that teams tonight have had at least 72hrs since the last game, we didn´t yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 48 hours is not plenty of rest btw. From my OKish knowledge and background in sport science I know that 48 hours rest is certainly not an advised amount to maximise performance so I imagine the guys in a much better place than me made a pretty good decision there. As for tonights supposed strong teams, United made 10 changes, Chelsea 6. Spurs also 6 I think..maybe 7? Thats with another 24 hours rest. Stop over reacting. It's been our policy all tournament to put out young players and players who are looking for an opportunity to play. Ours arn't as good as some of the bigger clubs as you talk about. It eventually caught up on us, oh dear, what a shame, never mind. Like anybody would have given a **** if we'd won. Nobody cared about the previous rounds so why now we've lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 One of the quickest routes to Europe is winning the Capital Cup. To say we're not interested is sheer folly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 A morale boosting win over Spurs for Norwich who took the League Cup more seriously than us - let's see where their momentum takes then now!?! Get your facts straight - the only Norwich player who started V Spurs who also started at the weekend, was Turner. 10 changes to the side for Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 A morale boosting win over Spurs for Norwich who took the League Cup more seriously than us - let's see where their momentum takes then now!?! Worked out well for Birmingham didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Worked out well for Birmingham didn't it? So what? There are far more teams who have got relegated without winning the cup, and far more that have won it/got to the final and stayed up. But you cling on to your one club example. We should be trying to win matches and we should be trying to win this cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Perhaps NA was afraid to play his best team because losing with them would have been much worse than hiding behind a 'reserves' excuse... If it has come to this then confidence is at an all time low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ****inh hell, imagine the meltdown on here if SRL or Lallana had picked up an injury at Leeds and was out for 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I honestly think Adkins played a second string because he felt it was very likely a first 11 would have suffered the same fate at Leeds. The stick he's received for his team selection is nothing to what he would have got if/when we'd lost with our first team. He may have even lost his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ****inh hell, imagine the meltdown on here if SRL or Lallana had picked up an injury at Leeds and was out for 6 weeks. Yeah, but the forum thought police don't allow "what ifs"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 But you cling on to your one club example. Citing a one club example (not forgetting Middlesborough a few seasons ago) is no better or worse than people making blanket statements that it would have had a positive effect on our season. Truth is we'll ever know, so both are valid viewpoints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Everyone made changes for this crap cup. Just the fact is that their second strings are better than ours. SHOCK. Also, the club say they want 50% of the team to come through the academy....how is this ever going to happen if the few chances that we have of blooding a few youngsters is stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 One of the quickest routes to Europe is winning the Capital Cup. To say we're not interested is sheer folly. And... when you see the draw, Both Norwich and Swansea have a real chance of at least a semi final place. A cup run might well have perked things up. missed opportunity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Would anyone seriously like a midweek game against Chelsea in December??? During the week before we play Sunderland at home, a game where we actually stand a chance to getting all 3 points?!?! Some people have delusional priorities sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Would anyone seriously like a midweek game against Chelsea in December??? During the week before we play Sunderland at home, a game where we actually stand a chance to getting all 3 points?!?! Some people have delusional priorities sometimes. Thats the hard to beat Sunderland with only one defeat so far this season . a coupon busting draw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Thats the hard to beat Sunderland with only one defeat so far this season . a coupon busting draw ! The same team who's only player to score for them is Steven Fletcher and who generally look a bit clueless this season, not leaking many goals but couldn't score in a brothel. By the time it gets to mid December I see us banging a few past them with little response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Chelsea at home would have been a good money spinner but as I'd guess we're not paying out too many bonuses just now it won't make much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 But we are not a L1 club any more, Prem tv money next season doubles at least, even finishing 19th or 18th makes more money than the League cup (and is more of a money spinner than coming 20th)... If money is the justification the Prem is where its at. If its a trophy desired the Fa Cup has a better reward for success anyway, bit more prize money and Europe if you reach the final and the other team are already going to Europe. Worth a bit more effort than the League cup anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Everyone made changes for this crap cup. Just the fact is that their second strings are better than ours. SHOCK. Also, the club say they want 50% of the team to come through the academy....how is this ever going to happen if the few chances that we have of blooding a few youngsters is stopped. Its not the fact that we made changes, I fully expected that, it's the fact that we didn't even have a couple of potential match winners on the bench to chuck on for 30mins and actually try and win a game of football was what frustrated me. A good cup run is one of the biggest buzzes in football and we went out with an absolutely pathetic whimper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Even ultrachanger Wenger put a couple of first teamers into his side, just to give the lads a bit of guidance. I'm sure we could have played 2 as well, I'd have put Maya in at least cos he needs all the English football he can get plus a chance to work with Jos in match conditions just in case and one of Steve Davis or Morgan as captain and to set the tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Its not the fact that we made changes, I fully expected that, it's the fact that we didn't even have a couple of potential match winners on the bench to chuck on for 30mins and actually try and win a game of football was what frustrated me. A good cup run is one of the biggest buzzes in football and we went out with an absolutely pathetic whimper. ditto for me. Starting eleven was not that much of a surprise (Shaw apart) but for the bench to be missing a few of our best players was ridiculous. Although it was very undeserved, we were still only 1 nil down with 10 mins to go. Still rescuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Morgan was the one player who needed a rest. If he had played and got injured there would have been uproar on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 For me one of the main benefits of being in the PL is that you genuinely have a chance to get to Wembley either in this cup (final) or the FA cup (semi & final). Whats the point if ur gonna put this team out. I would have been gutted if I had made the journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 For me one of the main benefits of being in the PL is that you genuinely have a chance to get to Wembley either in this cup (final) or the FA cup (semi & final). Whats the point if ur gonna put this team out. I would have been gutted if I had made the journey. But that's assuming you have a real PL squad with a lot of players of a fair old ability who don't get much game time in the League. Our problem is that we have about 12/13 players of something approximating to PL standard and the rest would struggle in the NPC. So when you come up against a side like Leeds who have at least 17/18 players of Championship standard you're f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ditto for me. Starting eleven was not that much of a surprise (Shaw apart) but for the bench to be missing a few of our best players was ridiculous. Although it was very undeserved, we were still only 1 nil down with 10 mins to go. Still rescuable. As I've said before, the frustrating thing was that Leeds were pretty much there for the taking, they weren't anywhere near as intense and hungry as they were in the League game up there last year or the game in the earlier round against Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Here's an old fashioned notion ! Thought the aim was attempting to win every competition you enter no matter what level you are at.Or else what's the point ? For us (or some of us) to think the League Cup is not worth it doesn't make sense. The Man U's etc, may view it differently but there fans are flying all over Europe in the Champs League on a regular basis. We don't have that kind of success in our history to be blasé about a bona fide long established cup competition with entry to Europe for the winner. I can only imagine,that in the event of us ever reaching the League cup final again, Tickets will be easy to get ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Worked out well for Birmingham didn't it? And Blackpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I wish we rested all out players in the JPT a few years back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I wish we rested all out players in the JPT a few years back... In the earlier rounds we actually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 In the earlier rounds we actually did. Yes I remember going to pens against Torquay I think! Very weak team. We gambled on Tuesday and it failed big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2012 Share Posted 2 November, 2012 In the earlier rounds we actually did. no we didn't couldn't have. Wasn't there a stipulation about the number of players involved having played the last League game or something, maybe it was at least 8 or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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