Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 ...without bringing into play the following: - Where we were 3 years ago. - The fact that we were promoted last season 'ahead' of schedule. - How much we spent in the Summer. If you looked at it independently and looked at our squad of players, can you answer the following questions: Is Nigel Adkins doing a good enough job? Would an average Premier League Manager do a better job? Are the decisions he is making affecting us negatively? Is he learning from his mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 All I have to say about this is he hasn't made any decisions I can't see the logic of - I'd struggle to call anything a "mistake" so far, and the only criticism I feel is fair is our failure to recruit enough Prem quality players in the summer, which (apparently) isn't down to Adkins. You only have to look at the lack of depth to see we've got at best 1 or 2 options from the bench, and it's a 95 minute match at the top level. Regarding negativity, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - ignore the people that thrive on negatively, they just drag you down. After Monday we'll have played all of the top 9 except one, and we've got 7 teams from 9th and below in the next 7 matches. So let's see how the matches up til 27th December go, and then if we're up sh!t creek THEN, we have the choice of swapping the manager or throwing a load of cash at it in January. I'm expecting us to lose to West Brom, btw, they're good down the wings and we can't handle that at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 All I have to say about this is he hasn't made any decisions I can't see the logic of - I'd struggle to call anything a "mistake" so far, and the only criticism I feel is fair is our failure to recruit enough Prem quality players in the summer, which (apparently) isn't down to Adkins. You only have to look at the lack of depth to see we've got at best 1 or 2 options from the bench, and it's a 95 minute match at the top level. Also, after Monday we'll have played all of the top 9 except one, and we've got 7 teams from 9th and below in the next 7 matches. So let's see how the matches up til 27th December go, and then if we're up sh!t creek THEN, we have the choice of swapping the manager or throwing a load of cash at it in January. I'm expecting us to lose to West Brom, btw, they're good down the wings and we can't handle that at the moment. My main issues this Season have been not playing a formation we suit, not playing Lambert from the start and substituting our best players. They are the main issues I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 In isolation every sensible premier league team would/did put out a 2nd rate team against a lower league opposition in this round of the competition. Adkins is doing a good job because he didn't risk anyone this round so we didn't get landed with loosing someone important like Cork in the last round. Pretty sure that is learning from mistakes and helping us in the longer term on the basis of the team selection. Showing up some of the ego's in the reserves and backup spots might well be a bit negative at the club but that says a lot about the character and maturity of the players instead of our manager. This was the chance for a few of them to prove they are more than emergency back up players or that they should be off the transfer list or are maturing into first team challengers. Not everyone has responded to that challenge well, which cannot be a criticism of Adkins as any good manager would do the same. McDermott is the prize clown of last night by sticking his first team out to build a 4 goal lead and then chuck it away in such spectacular fashion. Would rather we use this nothing competition to get our reserve players to buck up their ideas than demolish out first team's confidence further, like every other average premier league manager does for the league cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 My main issues this Season have been not playing a formation we suit, not playing Lambert from the start and substituting our best players. They are the main issues I have. Which formation do we suit? Our 442 diamond from last season hasn't worked either. Also, there is logic in not always playing Lambert, he's a quality striker but his mobility is awful for this level and he has been handled quite comfortably by many defenders so far. If you want to see him sacked on the basis of what you have pointed out there, then it's quite sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 My main issues this Season have been not playing a formation we suit, not playing Lambert from the start and substituting our best players. They are the main issues I have. By contrast, I'm happy with the formation because I think 4-4-2 has shown all of our weaknesses, saw first hand the reason why he didn't pick Lambert at West Ham, but like you, simply have not understood many of the substitutions - Puncheon against Manure especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 By contrast, I'm happy with the formation because I think 4-4-2 has shown all of our weaknesses, saw first hand the reason why he didn't pick Lambert at West Ham, but like you, simply have not understood many of the substitutions - Puncheon against Manure especially. I think punch was knackered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Terrible substitutions, taking off all our best performers against man u for example was simply stupid. Picking players out of position, Jay Rod is not a winger, Mayuka is not a lone centre forward and none of our centre backs are left backs. Leaving Lambert out, he's our most likel goal scorer so having him on he bench is dumb. Chopping and changing the keeper, I agree Davies had to go but then he needed to stick with Gazzinga who was doing fine not drop him and replace him with the unfit polish nut job. Sadly the sooner the manager goes the better he has not learned from his mistakes this year he just keeps repeating them and trotting out the same old excuses and above all that he hasn't made any effort to make us hard to beat since it became aparent we leak goals down the wings, we need to shore things up and make it difficult to beat us then the points will come which will give us the confidence to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think punch was knackered. he took off Lallana, Lambert and Puch all in the same 4 minute spell after which we failed to hold the ball up and offered no threat allowing them to trample all over us those substitutions were ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 ...without bringing into play the following: - Where we were 3 years ago. - The fact that we were promoted last season 'ahead' of schedule. - How much we spent in the Summer. If you looked at it independently and looked at our squad of players, can you answer the following questions: Is Nigel Adkins doing a good enough job? Would an average Premier League Manager do a better job? Are the decisions he is making affecting us negatively? Is he learning from his mistakes? I like this. If you block out reality, Adkins should be sacked with immideate effect . Can I also suggest we 'forget' the back to back promotions? That should add another few to the 'Adkins out' bandwagon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 he took off Lallana, Lambert and Puch all in the same 4 minute spell after which we failed to hold the ball up and offered no threat allowing them to trample all over us those substitutions were ridiculous. If you look back, we weren't holding the ball up, were not offerin an attacking threat and were getting trampled on before those subs were made. We had decent little spell after our 2nd goal and then it was all Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If you look back, we weren't holding the ball up, were not offerin an attacking threat and were getting trampled on before those subs were made. We had decent little spell after our 2nd goal and then it was all Utd. A big problem was that Paul Scholes was given the freedom of St. Mary's to spray the ball around; our tactical changes did absolutely nothing to try to negate that threat. But at the end of the day you also can't legislate for atrocious defending from Fonte to first of all give a needless corner away and then fail to pick up RVP from it so that he had a free header from 6 yards out. Conceding one goal was fairly predictable. Conceding 2 in the manner we did was inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 A big problem was that Paul Scholes was given the freedom of St. Mary's to spray the ball around; our tactical changes did absolutely nothing to try to negate that threat. But at the end of the day you also can't legislate for atrocious defending from Fonte to first of all give a needless corner away and then fail to pick up RVP from it so that he had a free header from 6 yards out. Conceding one goal was fairly predictable. Conceding 2 in the manner we did was inexcusable. true but having a Utd team with nothing to lose come at you for 30 mins solid is difficult for most teams. they have done it time and time again and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I like this. If you block out reality, Adkins should be sacked with immideate effect . Can I also suggest we 'forget' the back to back promotions? That should add another few to the 'Adkins out' bandwagon! That's like defending Savile because he did charity work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) the problem at SMS lies in the Boardroom .....not in the dressing room. Most of last season's squad did what they could last season....now they've all found their level. The major decisions made in the summer about signings (apparantly) weren't Nigel's .and he's doing what he can with the squad he has ...(even if some people don't approve of his tactics, subbing sometimes). If he loses his job in the next two months, the Board won't be able to offer " an eventual replacemen t" anything more than a promise of new players in January...provided they are players that Cortese / Reed will approve. A new manager coming now would have to work with the same squad that NA has ...and though they maybe already trying to do their best - but it's clearly not enough! Nigel Adkins has become the scapegoat for other people's poor judgement. For my part ....I'd love to see who was on his " wish-list " in the summer - and didn't get considered. Edited 31 October, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 NA needs to grow a pair if hes not having the final say on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 NA needs to grow a pair if hes not having the final say on players. He can have the final say on players, but if they decide not to join us then there is nothing he can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think punch was knackered. don't agree with that at all. He was fine. Poor decision. Funnily enough I thought Adkins got subs spot on nearly all the time, often changing games for the better. Got it badly wrong that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If you look back, we weren't holding the ball up, were not offerin an attacking threat and were getting trampled on before those subs were made. We had decent little spell after our 2nd goal and then it was all Utd. Cobblers. You are re-imagining this to suit your view. We were causing United problems. Ask yourself this question: United are 2-1 at the Etihad with 10 minutes to go. Would Alex Ferguson bring off his front three? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 NA needs to grow a pair if hes not having the final say on players. :facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cobblers. You are re-imagining this to suit your view. We were causing United problems. Ask yourself this question: United are 2-1 at the Etihad with 10 minutes to go. Would Alex Ferguson bring off his front three? No. The view that we were all over Utd and cruising through the game until Adkins changed it is cobblers which you reinvented to suit your view. If Ferguson had done the same and lost would you say he should lose his job over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ...without bringing into play the following: - Where we were 3 years ago. - The fact that we were promoted last season 'ahead' of schedule. - How much we spent in the Summer. If you looked at it independently and looked at our squad of players, can you answer the following questions: Is Nigel Adkins doing a good enough job? Would an average Premier League Manager do a better job? Are the decisions he is making affecting us negatively? Is he learning from his mistakes? I like this. If you block out reality, Adkins should be sacked with immideate effect . Can I also suggest we 'forget' the back to back promotions? That should add another few to the 'Adkins out' bandwagon! That's like defending Savile because he did charity work. Wow. So in your mind, pointing out any of Nigel Adkins numerous successes in the last two years, or the fact we're ahead of schedule in our 5 year plan by three years, is akin to excusing the abominations of a calculating child molester? You chat some proper sh1t on here, but I think you've outdone yourself with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Wow. So in your mind, pointing out any of Nigel Adkins numerous successes in the last two years, or the fact we're ahead of schedule in our 5 year plan by three years, is akin to excusing the abominations of a calculating child molester? You chat some proper sh1t on here, but I think you've outdone yourself with this one. Dont ever be surprised by the sh1t he chats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ...without bringing into play the following: - Where we were 3 years ago. - The fact that we were promoted last season 'ahead' of schedule. - How much we spent in the Summer. If you looked at it independently and looked at our squad of players, can you answer the following questions: Is Nigel Adkins doing a good enough job? Would an average Premier League Manager do a better job? Are the decisions he is making affecting us negatively? Is he learning from his mistakes? Yes yes yes, we get it from your other thread that you started just a few hours previously that you are anti Adkins but do we really need a new thread for each angle of your anti Adkins rethoric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Cobblers. You are re-imagining this to suit your view. We were causing United problems. . No we weren't. He is right. Lambert had barely touched the ball for 10 minutes and we had just had a lucky escape with a United penalty. Or do you not remember the pen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 No we weren't. He is right. Lambert had barely touched the ball for 10 minutes and we had just had a lucky escape with a United penalty. Or do you not remember the pen? Or the save Davis had to make from RVP just after the pen.... Utd could have scored 2 in 5 mins before any subs were made. They were all over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Yes yes yes, we get it from your other thread that you started just a few hours previously that you are anti Adkins but do we really need a new thread for each angle of your anti Adkins rethoric? The sad thing is I really wasn't until very recently. I like him, I think he's a good manager, but he seems to be trying to be too clever this year, and is making far too many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Wow. So in your mind, pointing out any of Nigel Adkins numerous successes in the last two years, or the fact we're ahead of schedule in our 5 year plan by three years, is akin to excusing the abominations of a calculating child molester? You chat some proper sh1t on here, but I think you've outdone yourself with this one. You are trying to wipe out what has happened this Season with what has happened over the previous 2. Surely you can see that although he did well with us (extremely well), he is failing now. Or are you just burying your head in the sand? Also wish people would stop mentioning the schedule, it's laughable that they think this matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Dont ever be surprised by the sh1t he chats. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's sh!t. It just means we have differing points of view. Internet warriors like yourself just going around and sneering at people because you don't share their viewpoint are the bane of the internet. Why can't people just discuss things without resorting to this kind of thing. For shame. I'll wait for some sarcastic and pointless reply, as per your last contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's sh!t. It just means we have differing points of view. Internet warriors like yourself just going around and sneering at people because you don't share their viewpoint are the bane of the internet. Why can't people just discuss things without resorting to this kind of thing. For shame. I'll wait for some sarcastic and pointless reply, as per your last contribution. Reread your absurd and attention-seeking comment about Jimmy Saville and Adkins' track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Reread your absurd and attention-seeking comment about Jimmy Saville and Adkins' track record. You obviously didn't understand the point I was making. My point was why harp back to the last 2 seasons when he is making big mistakes now and not learning from it, and this Season. Judge him on the issues here and now and not on his past success with us, because otherwise we are likely to get left behind. A better example would be George Burley as Ipswich manager, or Steve Coppell at Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 The view that we were all over Utd and cruising through the game until Adkins changed it is cobblers which you reinvented to suit your view. If Ferguson had done the same and lost would you say he should lose his job over it? Puncheon and Lallana were still causing United problems. Scholes had given them better steel in the middle but we were still attacking and they could not push forward because of the known threat. People say Rickie had done nothing. He's like this in a lot of games - he needs a breather. Anyone who would take him off in such circumstances to bring on TOTALLY inexperienced and unproven talent is taking a massive risk. He often needs one chance and bang, you're dead. When those three came off we simply had no attacking threat and gave the whole initiative to United, as we sat back deeper and deeper (something that Lambert can cope with, ironically). I am not (and nowhere have I) calling for Adkins to be sacked. But this was a crass mistake that I do not believe many managers at the top level would make. 2-1 up. At home. To the top side in the league/Europe/the world - take your pick. 10 minutes to go. No injuries. Remove and replace entire front line.... Not on your bloody nelly would Mancini, Fergie, Moyes, Di Matteo make that decision. Stop defending it and defend Adkins for all the good things he has done. Otherwise you sound like you know nothing about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 In fact, I'll give you one. The changes made at half time against Villa to drop Danny Fox and replace him with Clyne was excellent management. This was from a confident Adkins who stuck to his guns of playing football. He needs to get back to this! We're the third highest long-ball hitters in the league. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 In fact, I'll give you one. The changes made at half time against Villa to drop Danny Fox and replace him with Clyne was excellent management. This was from a confident Adkins who stuck to his guns of playing football. He needs to get back to this! We're the third highest long-ball hitters in the league. Why? Fox was injured, wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Fox was injured, wasn't he? No. Playing shyte! It's what I say when I lose at tennis - the ankle's playing me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) This was from a confident Adkins who stuck to his guns of playing football. He needs to get back to this! We're the third highest long-ball hitters in the league. Why? not according to who scored( perhaps copy/pasting this table isn't allowed) Premier League Situational Statistics Goal TypesPass TypesCard Situations View:OverallHomeAway R Team Cross pg Through Ball pg Long Balls pg Short Passes pg 1 Arsenal 26 6 51 540 2 Manchester City 21 5 55 525 3 Manchester United 26 3 58 511 4 Liverpool 20 2 62 468 5 Swansea 22 4 56 465 6 Chelsea 20 1 62 462 7 Fulham 22 1 67 432 8 Southampton 21 5 50 419 9 Wigan 19 1 62 410 10 Tottenham 22 1 60 361 11 Everton 23 1 67 357 12 Queens Park Rangers 21 1 58 354 13 Aston Villa 19 1 67 334 14 West Bromwich Albion 18 1 62 323 15 Newcastle United 22 2 76 320 16 Sunderland 18 1 58 304 17 West Ham 26 0 63 297 18 Norwich 24 1 60 297 19 Reading 27 1 63 259 20 Stoke 23 1 59 251 Premier League Positional Statistics Table says at 50 long balls per game we're the lowest in the PL, Edited 1 November, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 not according to who scored( perhaps copy/pasting this table isn't allowed) Premier League Situational Statistics Goal TypesPass TypesCard Situations View:OverallHomeAway R Team Cross pg Through Ball pg Long Balls pg Short Passes pg 1 Arsenal 26 6 51 540 2 Manchester City 21 5 55 525 3 Manchester United 26 3 58 511 4 Liverpool 20 2 62 468 5 Swansea 22 4 56 465 6 Chelsea 20 1 62 462 7 Fulham 22 1 67 432 8 Southampton 21 5 50 419 9 Wigan 19 1 62 410 10 Tottenham 22 1 60 361 11 Everton 23 1 67 357 12 Queens Park Rangers 21 1 58 354 13 Aston Villa 19 1 67 334 14 West Bromwich Albion 18 1 62 323 15 Newcastle United 22 2 76 320 16 Sunderland 18 1 58 304 17 West Ham 26 0 63 297 18 Norwich 24 1 60 297 19 Reading 27 1 63 259 20 Stoke 23 1 59 251 Premier League Positional Statistics Table says at 50 long balls per game we're the lowest in the PL, BBC quoted us at 230 odd two nights ago - third highest - thought it was very odd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 BBC quoted us at 230 odd two nights ago - third highest - thought it was very odd! These are per game figures although I've no idea how accurate they are, site seems to be well documented though. So 9 games at 50 long balls a game is 450 in total but as we have a couple of players who can spray it about pretty accurately long balls might mean much more than hoofing it up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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