Legod Third Coming Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The good news is that despite having the worst defence in my living memory, we are still by no means under pressure. Two good results and the world would look completely different. I still think we are better than QPR, Norwich and Reading and if we could get our best 11 back fit, we're a good mid-table side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 JRod started to look like a PL striker on Sunday in the 2nd half, maybe he will actually become one. The shame is it won't make a but of difference because NOT ONLY do the players believe we are one mistake from disaster the moment we kick off, on Sunday the fans at SMS shared the same opinion - and BOY did it show. So no, we'll be dead long before the transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Way too early to tell imo so I went for the optimistic option, I must say that we have played Man Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton so far this season. Teams that are more than likely to make up 5 of the top 7 teams. Not many other teams can say that so far. Although the performance against W'Ham was just awful so who knows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 no, we've lost too much ground already. lol!!!! Seriously???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If Adkins remains as manager, sadly no. If a new manager comes in soon, yes. I'm voting yes, because I can't see Adkins here for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We are in such a precarious place. Take no action, tough it out and have faith; going down could so easily happen. Take action and replace Adkins with someone else, it may be a futile gesture. I think we will get relegated, and the manager will not be the reason for it. The investment of money into the wrong areas in the team will be our downfall if it comes. It will be such an interesting story as it unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I think we will probably go down. Too leaky and not looking good enough up front either. Close to 50-50, but if I had to bet my life on it, I'd say we will be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 lol!!!! Seriously???? Yes, seriously. I'm not saying we can't, just that we won't. We need two wins more than our rivals already and are shipping goals at a comical rate. I just can't see us getting enough clean sheets,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) We are going down unless we sack Nigel and bring in a strong replacement, bring in quality in defence and centre mid in jan IMO. If we don't do both were down so I voted down, I hate to say it and will be gutted but i strongly feel that's the only realistic outcome. Edited 1 November, 2012 by doggface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 As above. I don't think who is managing the side is an issue right now. The lack of necessary investment in certain positions is the downfall. I believe Nigel would be fine if we had invested as we should have done. We've gone arse about face and put the cart before the horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 but why not stick with wotte for 10 years..? no one fluttered an eye lid when he was moved on.....sacking pardew and getting adkins was also a good move......despite fans disbelief.. Wotte was part of dear old Rupert's master plan wasn't he? That plainly did not work! NA has dragged our football club up from the lower reaches of League One to the PL in 2 years, yes it is tough going atm (we all knew it would be, if you thought it wouldn't be then you need to be certified) but when we were riding high at the top of the Championship all last season there was no one saying 'oh he (NA) won't cut it in the PL' was there? We had the nightmare start with the fixtures and confidence is low atm but given that we have a run of winnable games coming up lets see where we are come Christmas. If we have the fixtures of say, Wet Spam, then I am sure we would be in mid table and no one would be talking about sacking him. All this talk of sacking him is just bandwagon jumping IMHO, happens all the time when a team is in a bit of a slump. We need stability and sacking NA is not going to give us that is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Based on the manner in which we are playing and losing, no...very much no. I don't think we'll get a new defence in January either that will turn things around in time. Relegation could be much worse for the club than some are predicting I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I think it'll go right to the wire again, but we'll survive, just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 only 1 striker who can score, youll be lucky to stay up Bit harsh, we've scored goals from all over the pitch this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Bit harsh, we've scored goals from all over the pitch this season. Fortunately so because I personally don't think that that striker has been up to much these last few games. Transparent against Spurs, West Ham you can discount because he was probably in a miff when he eventually came on and 2 or 3 sitters missed against Fulham which would have eased our situation if any of them had been converted. Personally if anyone offered us 5 million for him I'd snap their hand off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 To all the 40% thinking already we´re going down. What did you expect from the first nine games looking at the schedule? For me it´s like this. Man C, Arsenal, Everton away are clear losses. Man U and Spurs at home, with a bit of luck perhaps we could take a point but nothing you can expect. AND if we had been a bit more lucky we would have. Wigan, Fulham, Aston Villa at home and West Ham away. From these games I would be happy as a newcomer to come away with 2 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss. From that point of view we´re actually only one win away from the predictions coming into this season. And a lot of you claiming we´re too far behind already....?? The schedule coming up is a lot better/easier and if we can get Gaston and Jack back into the team the balance will be much better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Yes. But I fear it might now take a managerial change that deep down I dont want to see happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Obviously due to current form and performances, the main topics of conservation on here of late have been about whether we can survive relegation this season. Another topic I've seen mentioned is the lack of 15:00 Saturday kick offs since we went up. From 22nd Dec to 2nd of March we have one, Man city (assuming it's not moved). I wondered if it would be possible to have a poll to see just how many people are bothered if we stay up or not? Is a return to the NPC to take stock and maybe win a few games the end of the world? Would be interesting to find out. Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Didn't we have one of these just a few days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I'm desperate that we stay up. Going down next season will be miserable as we will probably carry on losing against lesser teams, the habit will not just stop. If it was that easy to switch off Derby would be back up by now. The Leeds game should have opened the eyes to many as to how difficult and potentially miserable it would be down in the CCC if we fail to survive. I just don't buy the view that we'll bounce back up unharmed. It will set us back years. It's important that we stay up no matter what this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Didn't we have one of these just a few days ago? Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I'm desperate that we stay up. Going down next season will be miserable as we will probably carry on losing against lesser teams, the habit will not just stop. If it was that easy to switch off Derby would be back up by now. The Leeds game should have opened the eyes to many as to how difficult and potentially miserable it would be down in the CCC if we fail to survive. I just don't buy the view that we'll bounce back up unharmed. It will set us back years. It's important that we stay up no matter what this year. Not to me it's not. Fu.ck the Premier League with its rip off prices, players falling over, games moved for TV, poor atmospheres and 1000s of plastic fans. I'll be more than happy out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Not to me it's not. Fu.ck the Premier League with its rip off prices, players falling over, games moved for TV, poor atmospheres and 1000s of plastic fans. I'll be more than happy out of it. I never quite get this view, surely we all went the best for our club? And we all want it to progress as much as it can? It won't do that sitting down in the lower leagues losing away at the likes of Boro and Bristol City I accept your view and others that hold the same, but it doesn't ring true with me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I couldn't give a monkeys. Football on Sunday is bad enough but I couldn't think if a worse day to go out for a few beers with your mates than a Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I couldn't give a monkeys. Football on Sunday is bad enough but I couldn't think if a worse day to go out for a few beers with your mates than a Monday night. I was thinking this yesterday. I've long said I don't like the PL as much as the Championship as there are far fewer Saturday 3pm kick offs, and that's my main focus for going to games (although midweek games were also a good crack). Having your team not play on Saturday makes it thoroughly bland if you want to keep an eye on results. Having no game on the Sunday just compounds that. Plus its also made worse when you watch all the teams around you pick up points; its very likely we'll be bottom of the league and 5 points adrfit by the time we kick off (and, to be fair, by the time we finish playing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I never quite get this view, surely we all went the best for our club? And we all want it to progress as much as it can? No. I want it to be a club that I can afford to take my son to, no matter what league. Where KOs are 3pm on a Saturday, players are, in the main, hard but fair & fans want to be there as it's "their" club, not because it's successful. I don't buy into the media bollo.xs about the EPL. It's sh.it if you "support" anyone outside of the big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I am sure we will survive relegation. The question is..will we be relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 What this forum sums up is that, no matter what people say, we want to watch a team winning and not losing. Being associated with a winning team is good. It makes you feel better. Watching a team lose (in any league) is not. Right now, maybe the Olympic effect and the false dawn of the Villa game, I'm really not that bothered about football... which is a shame. I didn't once feel that way last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 When we went down from the Prem last tme I was gutted and thought that was the only place to be. I have completely changed my mid now. The football in the Championship is good quality and I would have no problem staying there anymore. I don't want my football club to be a "brand." The Prem sold its soul years ago to Murdoch and like everything he touches he devalues it in terms of soul. It is all about the money, money, money. When we spent £12 on Ramirez that just didnt feel right. We don't spend shedloads on players. We find gems like Lambert and Pahars or develop our own. The Premiership sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 When we went down from the Prem last tme I was gutted and thought that was the only place to be. I have completely changed my mid now. The football in the Championship is good quality and I would have no problem staying there anymore. I don't want my football club to be a "brand." The Prem sold its soul years ago to Murdoch and like everything he touches he devalues it in terms of soul. It is all about the money, money, money. When we spent £12 on Ramirez that just didnt feel right. We don't spend shedloads on players. We find gems like Lambert and Pahars or develop our own. The Premiership sucks. Er, we spent £1m on Lambert in Football League Division One and TREBLED his wages - a move no club could match. It is the very equivalent of spending £12m in the Premiership - if not worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Er, we spent £1m on Lambert in Football League Division One and TREBLED his wages - a move no club could match. It is the very equivalent of spending £12m in the Premiership - if not worse! It really isn't. Spending £12M now is spending money we really don't have (hence we've taken out a bank loan apparently to pay for it). Spending £1M, even in the lower leagues, is much more akin to spending within our own means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 When we went down from the Prem last tme I was gutted and thought that was the only place to be. I have completely changed my mid now. The football in the Championship is good quality and I would have no problem staying there anymore. I don't want my football club to be a "brand." The Prem sold its soul years ago to Murdoch and like everything he touches he devalues it in terms of soul. It is all about the money, money, money. When we spent £12 on Ramirez that just didnt feel right. We don't spend shedloads on players. We find gems like Lambert and Pahars or develop our own. The Premiership sucks. Yea I am coming around to this way of thinking. What is going on at the moment in the prem is monstrous. The playing field is so uneven that even the likes of Arsenal are struggling and when you then just look how Chelsea have behaved recently, the prices, the diving etc etc etc you have to ask yoursef just what is the point. Football has sold its soul and to be the Prem you have to do the same. Struggling to see the real benefits. I suppose you could argue revenue but now we are privately owned even that doesn't mean as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 It really isn't. Spending £12M now is spending money we really don't have (hence we've taken out a bank loan apparently to pay for it). Spending £1M, even in the lower leagues, is much more akin to spending within our own means. The point is there is nothing romantic about buying success - whichever league you buy it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Er, we spent £1m on Lambert in Football League Division One and TREBLED his wages - a move no club could match. It is the very equivalent of spending £12m in the Premiership - if not worse! I understand your point but disagree, its far easier to raise £1m and the gates we were getting would cover those wages - and I can't believe he was on much at Bristol anyway. 12m + wages for Gaston wouldn't be covered - ok Sky money but that must cover all the other wage increases, bonuses etc of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 The point is there is nothing romantic about buying success - whichever league you buy it in. Pretty much all teams that have won any league have bought their way there; just to different extents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Can we have a poll to see if people want a poll to see if they want even more polls to see if we get relegated or are going to win this league.....yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Yea I am coming around to this way of thinking. What is going on at the moment in the prem is monstrous. The playing field is so uneven that even the likes of Arsenal are struggling and when you then just look how Chelsea have behaved recently, the prices, the diving etc etc etc you have to ask yoursef just what is the point. Football has sold its soul and to be the Prem you have to do the same. Struggling to see the real benefits. I suppose you could argue revenue but now we are privately owned even that doesn't mean as much. Oh Lord, here we go, money buys success, football today isn't all long studs and Reader's Digest down the socks for shinpads... The Premiership today is more competitive than Division One was for the whole of the 80s. And the standard of football played by teams like Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Barca, Citeh, (even Spurs last season) makes football in the 80s look amateurish. Then, money bought success (Nottingham Forest were the first team to pay £1m for a player - you might remember Trevor Francis - and then won the European Cup, twice). Today money buys success. What's changed? The difference today is that there are now three/four teams with a genuine chance of winning the league. Arsenal could compete but they don't have a plan or a defence. That's got little to do with money and everything to do with an untouchable manager who hasn't delivered silverware for seven years - during which even Harry Redknapp won a trophy! Fulham don't seem to have a problem finishing mid-table. Or Stoke. To give up on the Premiership is simply because we're getting poor results playing poor football. In which case, you're right. We don't DESERVE to be here, let alone enjoy it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I bet all of those people saying the Prem is crap wouldn't be saying that if we were 4th or something. It is understandable to be disappointed with constantly losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I agree with a few others above and wouldn't be in the slightest bit bothered if we got relegated. Obviously I want Saints to win every game they play but the Premier League is a complete ballache for us fans who attend matches due to the ridiculous expense and completely random kick off times. Oh and the atmosphere is often awful which is quite an achievement considering we are playing in front of big crowds most weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I bet all of those people saying the Prem is crap wouldn't be saying that if we were 4th or something. It is understandable to be disappointed with constantly losing. Wrong, many of us don't see it all as the holy grail, my ideal would of been to finish top and stay in the Championship. Can anyone honestly say they enjoyed the first 60 minutes last week - Spurs never got out of 3rd gear - we were terrible against Wigan, West Ham and there is something terribly wrong since the Coventry game at the end of last season. We have a manager that has made some simply disturbing decisions why? I go to watch Saints win and enjoy the games with my lad - his ticket has doubled in the last 2 seasons. We went to Daggers for £31 for the two of us. Man City would of cost us £120. We are not equipped for this division and honestly don't believe we will be for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I bet all of those people saying the Prem is crap wouldn't be saying that if we were 4th or something. It is understandable to be disappointed with constantly losing. It is more than understandable - losing all the time is soul destroying. Especially losing when you know you have the ability to win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Frankly I'm not too bothered about what league we're in - it's about the winning - I like us winning more than losing. However, there is a very real issue about the squad becoming infused with the habit of losing - very demoralising and that can be taken back down with you which can take long time to recover from. The one thing I feel sure NC will not want to contemplate and that's relegation - it's the only issue I can see that will force his hand over the managerial situation. The big question is when that will happen - it might be left until after we're relegated for example to see whether Adkins can pull the side back together for another push to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Wrong, many of us don't see it all as the holy grail, my ideal would of been to finish top and stay in the Championship. Can anyone honestly say they enjoyed the first 60 minutes last week - Spurs never got out of 3rd gear - we were terrible against Wigan, West Ham and there is something terribly wrong since the Coventry game at the end of last season. We have a manager that has made some simply disturbing decisions why? I go to watch Saints win and enjoy the games with my lad - his ticket has doubled in the last 2 seasons. We went to Daggers for £31 for the two of us. Man City would of cost us £120. We are not equipped for this division and honestly don't believe we will be for a while yet. You didn't enjoy tearing Villa apart? You didn't leap from your armchair with a lump in your throat when Rickie scored at the Etihad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Frankly I'm not too bothered about what league we're in - it's about the winning - I like us winning more than losing. However, there is a very real issue about the squad becoming infused with the habit of losing - very demoralising and that can be taken back down with you which can take long time to recover from. The one thing I feel sure NC will not want to contemplate and that's relegation - it's the only issue I can see that will force his hand over the managerial situation. The big question is when that will happen - it might be left until after we're relegated for example to see whether Adkins can pull the side back together for another push to the Prem. Yep agree with all of that...and for me made the game against Leeds even more baffling. A win there would of lifted the gloom, with the subs bench we didn't even give us a chance of that. Pardew wanted to win every game and that started us back on the winning habit look where that took us. Wednesday took us back to the old days for me. I don't want us relegated but if we do it wont hurt half as much as 2005 did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Wrong, many of us don't see it all as the holy grail, my ideal would of been to finish top and stay in the Championship. Can anyone honestly say they enjoyed the first 60 minutes last week - Spurs never got out of 3rd gear - we were terrible against Wigan, West Ham and there is something terribly wrong since the Coventry game at the end of last season. We have a manager that has made some simply disturbing decisions why? I go to watch Saints win and enjoy the games with my lad - his ticket has doubled in the last 2 seasons. We went to Daggers for £31 for the two of us. Man City would of cost us £120. We are not equipped for this division and honestly don't believe we will be for a while yet. It is not fair to say that the prem is just a big rip off. All football in this country is a big rip off. A L1 match costs about £21 or so. I recently saw a bundesleiga game for £15. Im going to watch Bristol Rovers v Rochdale in march, a game more expensive to see than a lot of top flight football across Europe. Yes, the prem is expensive, ridiculously so, but the rest of football in this country is also way over priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Yep agree with all of that...and for me made the game against Leeds even more baffling. A win there would of lifted the gloom, with the subs bench we didn't even give us a chance of that. Pardew wanted to win every game and that started us back on the winning habit look where that took us. Wednesday took us back to the old days for me. I don't want us relegated but if we do it wont hurt half as much as 2005 did. That's why Pardew disagreed with the Chairman over the league and the Cup. I don't think anything gave us as fans more belief than that Wembley win. It reminded us all what success tasted like - players, staff and fans alike. I am a massive believer that winning is a habit. Chelsea take every competition seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Relegation would be terrible for Southampton Football Club.....on so many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 (edited) You didn't enjoy tearing Villa apart? You didn't leap from your armchair with a lump in your throat when Rickie scored at the Etihad? Yes of course I did..that is a stupid question do you think that all the money and years supporting since 67 mean I don't want us to win every game? Did you like watching us throw games away against Man Utd and Fulham...We have a manager that has made some simply disturbing decisions why? I am not advocating sacking him just understanding why in this division he has got and continues to get so much wrong. I would rather we stick by Adkins than get that saggy faced git back Edited 4 November, 2012 by Give it to Ron Added more detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Relegation would be terrible for Southampton Football Club.....on so many levels. No it wouldn't. Not if Cortese is as good a businessman as so many people say he is and has put the necessary safeguards in place. Oh, hang on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Oh Lord, here we go, money buys success, football today isn't all long studs and Reader's Digest down the socks for shinpads... The Premiership today is more competitive than Division One was for the whole of the 80s. And the standard of football played by teams like Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Barca, Citeh, (even Spurs last season) makes football in the 80s look amateurish. Then, money bought success (Nottingham Forest were the first team to pay £1m for a player - you might remember Trevor Francis - and then won the European Cup, twice). Today money buys success. What's changed? The difference today is that there are now three/four teams with a genuine chance of winning the league. Arsenal could compete but they don't have a plan or a defence. That's got little to do with money and everything to do with an untouchable manager who hasn't delivered silverware for seven years - during which even Harry Redknapp won a trophy! Fulham don't seem to have a problem finishing mid-table. Or Stoke. To give up on the Premiership is simply because we're getting poor results playing poor football. In which case, you're right. We don't DESERVE to be here, let alone enjoy it... The big change is money which has unnaturally made the premiership an attraction for the world's best players/money grabbing mercenaries. Back in the 80s survival in the top tier was nothing like as important and clubs were just as keen to win a FA Cup or even lift the UEFA cup. Now just staying alive in the elite league has become the b all and end all and, as a result very cut throat. We are deluding ourselves in this country just because we have the best and most exciting league everything in the garden is rosy. It is not - just look at the standard of the home countries international teams and the fact that only 34% of the players who play in the Prem are eligible for the England team. I am not advocating a return to the "Readers Digest for shin pads" era just a recognition that it is all getting a bit out of hand and that football in this country will end up eating itself. We could start by looking hard at the people who run and control the game in this country - start at the top. Let's have a look at what happens in the Bundesliga for example. I love football but i can honestly say I was looking forward to watching the Braintree Cup-match today *****il it was rained off) as I was Reading v QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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