The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 So someone posts a rumour on a forum from another forum and it makes them the biggest **** in the world? Some people need to get a bit of perspective. If someone posts something on the internet, don't be surprised to see it passed on. This isn't the ****ing illuminati. Right, that's is. I've had enough of your posts on here, Diggers. I hope someone outs you so that I can meet you in the real world. You pee-rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Ain't it that Windows already outed Fitzugh when he brought this up yesterday? I don't normally bother much bout this sort of stuff, but I still remember that video bout Cortese and Adkins awkward body language shaking hands at the end of last season. There was definitely some bad blood going down round that time, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Right, that's is. I've had enough of your posts on here, Diggers. I hope someone outs you so that I can meet you in the real world. You pee-rick. I've just search facebook for The Kraken. Nothing came up. I won't give up and I will find you, you deeee-ick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 used to come on here for football gossip... ..now to laugh at the posters with conspiracy theories, overreactions, and bizarre demands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 A couple of wins and most of this crap will just fade away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Ain't it that Windows already outed Fitzugh when he brought this up yesterday? I don't normally bother much bout this sort of stuff, but I still remember that video bout Cortese and Adkins awkward body language shaking hands at the end of last season. There was definitely some bad blood going down round that time, I reckon. In a bizarre parallel universe, its was observed and interpreted as Employee getting hacked off with boss shocker, after several months of intensive pressure to succeed - the relief it was over, the fact that his herculean efforts might have been perceived as a bare minimum given the start we had (and the way it was also expected of Adkins to deliver from fans), would have made the employee feel a tad 'underwhelmed'.... yet after the cold light of day, the achievements sink in and employee looks forward to the new task...an even bigger one... sort of natural reaction to intensive months delivering promotion with a squad that was top 6 at best, but through shear graft, unity and team work exceeded expectations.... Interestingly in that parallel universe they also have fans who on the one hand were highly critical of the employee for 'nearly fecking it up at the end of the season' - yet also condemn the Boss for expecting the promotion as a minimum and putting the meployee under that pressure in the first place... 'go figure' as the yanks would say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 cortese is the most important person at this club end of. u could always feel we was going places with him in charge whatever manager he chose was getting a great job with a club that going places because of the ambition and backing. be it pardew adkins or whoever else nc picked we would eventually got to where we were aiming. i dont understand the grief cortese gets on here from some people? are you ungratefull or just missing the rupert lowe days? think where we were before cortese was in charge, on the verge of extinction, now we are in the premier league signing the likes of gaston ramirez. nc has been great for us stop whining and enjoy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 cortese is the most important person at this club end of. u could always feel we was going places with him in charge whatever manager he chose was getting a great job with a club that going places because of the ambition and backing. be it pardew adkins or whoever else nc picked we would eventually got to where we were aiming. i dont understand the grief cortese gets on here from some people? are you ungratefull or just missing the rupert lowe days? think where we were before cortese was in charge, on the verge of extinction, now we are in the premier league signing the likes of gaston ramirez. nc has been great for us stop whining and enjoy!! Some I guess have expressed 'concern' because they dont agree with his methods or strategy, or that his driven ambitious nature probably makes him quite 'dictatorial' - and are less forgiving of the fact he is also learning... There are those that believe that a club should still be more fan orientated and managed with fans on the board, constant updates etc... an opinion they are entitled to, but one I feel is naive given what football has become in terms of a global business. Naturally when things were going well on the pitch those opinions were rare, but when up against it, more are drawn into the rumour gossip etc as it provides an 'explanation' for why we are not suddenly world beaters - 'its someones fault' etc, rather than simply accepting we aint there yet. Yes, I have my opinions on what NC could have done better, but they are not concerns or issues that detract from the what in my opinion is s sound approach to building a set up that will hopefully deliver a self sustaining youth driven model - at whatever level that may be. Am concerned he ****es staff off as is rumoured? No. The boss of any company will **** off certain staff, especially if they are let go in restructures. It would be nice to think that the Boss could keep everyone happy all the time, but I am happier when the Boss has a focus and strategy they stick to and believe in, even if it breaks a few eggs to get the best cake - yet whilst we struggle on the pitch, that view does not carry much weight with many which I accept. Unless we sit top of the pile, have cheap tickets and the best beer, any chairman is always going to criticised by certain sections of the fan base for whatever he does... stick with a manager and hes not reactive enough to ensuring performace, sack the manager and hes doing a rupert with no faith in stability, buy younger players with potential, and we are not buying 'experience', buy older journeymen (the better players with experience will want huge money to come to a newly promoted side) and we are wasting money at the expense of youth.... chairman cant win it seems. Look at the situation now: some want Adkins to go, others for him to stay, so whatever he decides he will **** off one section of the fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 cortese is the most important person at this club end of. u could always feel we was going places with him in charge whatever manager he chose was getting a great job with a club that going places because of the ambition and backing. be it pardew adkins or whoever else nc picked we would eventually got to where we were aiming. i dont understand the grief cortese gets on here from some people? are you ungratefull or just missing the rupert lowe days? think where we were before cortese was in charge, on the verge of extinction, now we are in the premier league signing the likes of gaston ramirez. nc has been great for us stop whining and enjoy!! The owners could easily replace him with another high calibre Chief Exec, just like they could any other employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 The owners could easily replace him with another high calibre Chief Exec, just like they could any other employee. yet they dont...and probably never will who are the owners anyway...as far as I can see, the club is now NC toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 The owners could easily replace him with another high calibre Chief Exec, just like they could any other employee. yes they could, but dont forget he is also on the board at Mali and is trusted by the Liebherrs. For me, I still come back to the fact he was a trsuted friend of Markus - if we agree that Markus was clearly an man of integrity and sound judgement and that they worked well together, then why do some then believe NC is far from the character and calibre that Markus believed his friend to be? Does not add up. Ok so there may be an element of the good cop/bad cop team they had and NC may miss the calming influence of his friend and mentor, but even so, Markus had faith in NC, and that IS good enough for me. NC will get it right - it may be a while and he will make plenty of mistakes along the way and **** off quite a few, but I do think his drive an ambition will dleiver Markus's vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 cortese is the most important person at this club end of. u could always feel we was going places with him in charge whatever manager he chose was getting a great job with a club that going places because of the ambition and backing. be it pardew adkins or whoever else nc picked we would eventually got to where we were aiming. i dont understand the grief cortese gets on here from some people? are you ungratefull or just missing the rupert lowe days? think where we were before cortese was in charge, on the verge of extinction, now we are in the premier league signing the likes of gaston ramirez. nc has been great for us stop whining and enjoy!! Cortese like Adkins is out of his depth A small time banker running a small desk to a CEO running a PL football club a step too large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 yet they dont...and probably never will who are the owners anyway...as far as I can see, the club is now NC toy ..er dont think so. Markus's estate will have been divided and the club will be owned by his family who have £33 mil invested in it. NC is in effect a trustee of that investment and if it does not work and grow as any 'trust' then I would not be surprised to eventually a divestment... having said that, Markus's family will know how much the club meant to him and have shown by tehir equity conversion that they have to date supported Markus's and NC's decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Cortese like Adkins is out of his depth A small time banker running a small desk to a CEO running a PL football club a step too large ... In your opinion.... yet you have no idea how much input NC had in many other of Markus's business interests, nor does your opinion take into account the fact that Markus placed faith in NC to run Saints, or that Markuses family have faith in NC to effctively run Mali... Sure NC has things to learn, as would anyone coming into football, but to dismiss his skill set as you have done is niave and a bit pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 fuking hell...so now, everyone at the club is out of their depth...the players, the manager, the back room staff, the coaches, the executives, the chairman...how on earth did we ever stay in the top 2 all last season....finish above some very good teams Truth of the matter...we play far too open and allow teams to attack us and we dont defend as a unit...constantly ploughing players forward will leave a relatively weak defence exposed.....WGS got it right with players like Telfer and paul williams..Phil brown got it right in his first season in the prem..as did paul jewell but no...at saints..EVERYONE is out of their depth...we dont mess around as fans do we...striaight to the top we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 yet they dont...and probably never will who are the owners anyway...as far as I can see, the club is now NC toy The ones with the money. they will do whatever is right for their investment. Do you really think it would be hard to find someone as good as or better than Cortese to sign the cheques? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 The ones with the money. they will do whatever is right for their investment. Do you really think it would be hard to find someone as good as or better than Cortese to sign the cheques? well....I bet you now a serious amount of money they they never move him on......who ever they are..even if they bother to come to SMS......even if they care what so ever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 fuking hell...so now, everyone at the club is out of their depth...the players, the manager, the back room staff, the coaches, the executives, the chairman...how on earth did we ever stay in the top 2 all last season....finish above some very good teams Truth of the matter...we play far too open and allow teams to attack us and we dont defend as a unit...constantly ploughing players forward will leave a relatively weak defence exposed.....WGS got it right with players like Telfer and paul williams..Phil brown got it right in his first season in the prem..as did paul jewell but no...at saints..EVERYONE is out of their depth...we dont mess around as fans do we...striaight to the top we go Phil Browns Hull side caught a few by surprise early on in the season. They then went on an abosolutely attrocious run of losing which saw them just stay up on the last day after seemingly getting themselves into a fairly comfortable position at one stage. If Adkins went on a run like that with saints, people would go ****ing mental so I wouldn't use him as a benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Phil Browns Hull side caught a few by surprise early on in the season. They then went on an abosolutely attrocious run of losing which saw them just stay up on the last day after seemingly getting themselves into a fairly comfortable position at one stage. If Adkins went on a run like that with saints, people would go ****ing mental so I wouldn't use him as a benchmark. tell you what...I would be delighted to stay up on the last day...at this rate, we will be down before easter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 tell you what...I would be delighted to stay up on the last day...at this rate, we will be down before easter I would be pleased with that too but using Hull as an example of how it's done is a bit bizarre. They essentially just did the opposite to us so far...started brilliantly and then completely lost the plot. Shows that nothing is gaurenteed based on a good or bad start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I would be pleased with that too but using Hull as an example of how it's done is a bit bizarre. They essentially just did the opposite to us so far...started brilliantly and then completely lost the plot. Shows that nothing is gaurenteed based on a good or bad start. not using them as an example of how it is done..just saying how supposedly shyte managers with shyte teams with no where near the money spent have survived....yet we are on course to go down with record goals against by getting well beaten alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 The owners could easily replace him with another high calibre Chief Exec, just like they could any other employee. Which owners are you talking about? The only director of the holding company that owns SFC is....................Nicola Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 A couple of wins and most of this crap will just fade away. We should be alright by February then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 not using them as an example of how it is done..just saying how supposedly shyte managers with shyte teams with no where near the money spent have survived....yet we are on course to go down with record goals against by getting well beaten alot My point is that things change dramatically in football within a very short space of time. Utd have conceded 8 goals in two games and more at home than they did during the whole of last season. Does that mean that they definitely won't get their act together and win the league? In fact, defending seems to be a challange for a lot of clubs at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Which owners are you talking about? The only director of the holding company that owns SFC is....................Nicola Cortese. Is he the shareholder of the holding company though? Whoever is the shareholder/s are the owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) Is he the shareholder of the holding company though? Whoever is the shareholder/s are the owners ?? http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/dmwsl-613 Markus was the sole director and (I think) shareholder; Cortese was added as a director in 2010. Markus' directorship ceased upon his death, and no other directors have since been added. I've heard tell that Markus' ownership needs to work its way through probate; it could be that ownership of the company is held by his estate until fully resolved, which i guess makes the question of ownership slightly tricky. But what is certain is that Cortese is currently the sole director and has been for over a year. Edited 1 November, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I'm not sure Cortese is the devil that people make him out to be. It would appear that he has a frosty relationship with the manager, but I've got it from good authority that the players get on very well with him. If he was this autocrat that he is being made out to be by some, and such is his relationship with Adkins, then surely the manager would have had his cards by now. Alternatively, he might not be ready to let Adkins go until a replacement is sorted. F*cked if I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 My point is that things change dramatically in football within a very short space of time. Utd have conceded 8 goals in two games and more at home than they did during the whole of last season. Does that mean that they definitely won't get their act together and win the league? In fact, defending seems to be a challange for a lot of clubs at the moment. Interesting observation. In the arms race of football, attacking tactics seem to have regained the upper hand somewhat with the fluid style of attacking football being championed by Barcelona, Spain, and some of the premiership sides. Would be interesting to see some analysis of quantity of goal scoring in the last 20-30 years (accounting for change in league sizes) to see how (or indeed if) it has changed over time as tactical trends have changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ' date=' but I do think his drive an ambition will dleiver Markus's vision.[/quote'] I think hes already delivered most of marcus vision we are a prem club again playing attractive football with a decent youth academy that will keep producing for the first team. Ok nicola has talked also about us in,the higher echolons of the premiership and europe which was always going to be a big ask. But for me so far hes delivered everything hes said. Maybe one day the higher expectations will come to fruit The signing of ramirez was a big statement of intent. We never had signings of his reputation last time we were in the prem. If we can continue to make signings of that calibre who knows where we can reach but we need to give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ?? http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/dmwsl-613 Markus was the sole director and (I think) shareholder; Cortese was added as a director in 2010. Markus' directorship ceased upon his death, and no other directors have since been added. I've heard tell that Markus' ownership needs to work its way through probate; it could be that ownership of the company is held by his estate until fully resolved, which i guess makes the question of ownership slightly tricky. But what is certain is that Cortese is currently the sole director and has been for over a year. Ah the shareholder info will be on the company return - which costs £5 to download, too skint for that ;-) If the estate hasn't been resolved yet then i guess it will be owned by that, although I thought I read/heard that it all passed to Markus' daughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Which owners are you talking about? The only director of the holding company that owns SFC is....................Nicola Cortese. Yes as a paid executive - the shareholders (Liebherrs) have no seat on the board - nothing unusual about that and does not imply NC has total free reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I'm not sure Cortese is the devil that people make him out to be. It would appear that he has a frosty relationship with the manager, but I've got it from good authority that the players get on very well with him. If he was this autocrat that he is being made out to be by some, and such is his relationship with Adkins, then surely the manager would have had his cards by now. Alternatively, he might not be ready to let Adkins go until a replacement is sorted. F*cked if I know! Good call - the problem is some cant seem to differentiate between what is a demandingand probably high pressure environment to work in for NIge and others which can be positive and make teh assumption that unless everyone is constantly smiling and happy, soething MUST be wrong and its all going to collapse in our faces... its a niave opinion IMHO - the paranoia on here at times is actually quite funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Yes as a paid executive - the shareholders (Liebherrs) have no seat on the board - nothing unusual about that and does not imply NC has total free reign As we ascertained above, Frank; its not yet known who the new shareholder(s) is/are following Markus' death. Previously Markus was the sole shareholder; and as has been speculated, Markus' estate has yet to fully go through probate, so the situation is murky at best. What we can gather is that "the estate of Markus Liebherr" is now the shareholder of the holding company that owns the club. Quite who the owners are at this time (and how much influence he/she/they currently have) is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Does any one on this forum,have a clue what is going on at our beloved club? There are a lot of things that are concerning me on the pitch,not least of all,our dreadful back 4. However,behind the scenes there are many rumours of NA and NC,having fallen out and Les Reed [ what a success he was running Charlton Athletics first team,a few years back] having far too much of a say. Up to a few months ago NC,had done very little wrong in my eyes and NA had done a terrific job,however are they both now out of their depth? Finally and probably the thing that bothers me the most,is the situation with Rickie Lambert,his body language on sunday,was that of a player,who really did not want to be here any more,very sad and worrying. Drama queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 As we ascertained above, Frank; its not yet known who the new shareholder(s) is/are following Markus' death. Previously Markus was the sole shareholder; and as has been speculated, Markus' estate has yet to fully go through probate, so the situation is murky at best. What we can gather is that "the estate of Markus Liebherr" is now the shareholder of the holding company that owns the club. Quite who the owners are at this time (and how much influence he/she/they currently have) is another matter. Well they must have some and fair bit at that if they can convert 33mil of director loans (from Markus to buy and pump into the club) into equity? Certainly I would guess that teh ownership issue would need to be resolved for this to be done through teh proper leagl channels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Well they must have some and fair bit at that if they can convert 33mil of director loans (from Markus to buy and pump into the club) into equity? Certainly I would guess that teh ownership issue would need to be resolved for this to be done through teh proper leagl channels? Of course. I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. I'm simply suggesting its very unclear exactly who the owners are right now. Whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Of course. I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. I'm simply suggesting its very unclear exactly who the owners are right now. Whats your point? No point - just a point of clarification in that just although we dont have any official confirmation anywhere of who our owner is, the fact that this equity deal was done does suggest the probate issue was resolved and that we do have one, rather than the 'estate of ML'. NOw it may well be that given the closeness of NC to the Liebherrs, he is left alone to get on with it, but I daresay they would take note if his actions were to damage the value of their investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 No point - just a point of clarification in that just although we dont have any official confirmation anywhere of who our owner is, the fact that this equity deal was done does suggest the probate issue was resolved and that we do have one, rather than the 'estate of ML'. NOw it may well be that given the closeness of NC to the Liebherrs, he is left alone to get on with it, but I daresay they would take note if his actions were to damage the value of their investment Have you never thought that Markus might have just simply left the club to NC in his will? NC now runs Mali with another chap Werner or something like that and Mme Catherine has been removed from the Mali board. I've got a hunch that the sole owner of SFC is NC, just an intuition though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 No point - just a point of clarification in that just although we dont have any official confirmation anywhere of who our owner is' date=' the fact that this equity deal was done does suggest the probate issue was resolved and that we do have one, rather than the 'estate of ML'.[/quote'] Probably; but not definitely. It could have been a condition of Markus' will that all Southampton FC debts were cleared upon his death. We don't know. Although it would seem to me that, given we've since applied for a bank loan, we're not being funded any more by the family. NOw it may well be that given the closeness of NC to the Liebherrs' date=' he is left alone to get on with it, but I daresay they would take note if his actions were to damage the value of their investment[/quote'] No idea either way so its speculation; though I doubt they have anything more in the club other than a passing interest so it wouldn't surprise me if they walked away from it, if they haven't decided to already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Have you never thought that Markus might have just simply left the club to NC in his will? NC now runs Mali with another chap Werner or something like that and Mme Catherine has been removed from the Mali board. I've got a hunch that the sole owner of SFC is NC, just an intuition though. Suppose its possible, but why would the Liebherrs then convert the 33mil Markus 'loaned the club to buy it and support in in L1 and Champ' to equity if that was the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Suppose its possible' date=' but why would the Liebherrs then convert the 33mil Markus 'loaned the club to buy it and support in in L1 and Champ' to equity if that was the case?[/quote'] Because the club was left lock stock and barrel to NC (well hypothetically anyway) It's generally known that Markus loved the club and NC was the man he wanted to run it. From there it's just a short step to making the assumption that a very rich man might just leave something he wanted to continue in the way it had been to his friend who was already running the club for him together with a wee bit of money to go on with for a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Because the club was left lock stock and barrel to NC (well hypothetically anyway) It's generally known that Markus loved the club and NC was the man he wanted to run it. From there it's just a short step to making the assumption that a very rich man might just leave something he wanted to continue in the way it had been to his friend who was already running the club for him together with a wee bit of money to go on with for a year or so. I think this is about right. And now we are Premier League the bankrolling stops. Hence the loan. As far as I am concerned, we are not a rich mans toy any more, just one business owned by MALI expected to run its own affairs and wash its own face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I think this is about right. And now we are Premier League the bankrolling stops. Hence the loan. As far as I am concerned, we are not a rich mans toy any more, just one business owned by MALI expected to run its own affairs and wash its own face. Not even MALI I suspect, just straight up NC (who also runs Mali). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Because the club was left lock stock and barrel to NC (well hypothetically anyway) It's generally known that Markus loved the club and NC was the man he wanted to run it. From there it's just a short step to making the assumption that a very rich man might just leave something he wanted to continue in the way it had been to his friend who was already running the club for him together with a wee bit of money to go on with for a year or so. Maybe I am missing something, but it was stated that the Liebherrs converted the loans to equity - would they then just give that equity away to NC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Maybe I am missing something' date=' but it was stated that the Liebherrs converted the loans to equity - would they then just give that equity away to NC?[/quote'] If it was a condition that Markus laid down upon his death that SFC debts were to be paid off, then perhaps, yes. In fact it makes a lot of sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Maybe I am missing something' date=' but it was stated that the Liebherrs converted the loans to equity - would they then just give that equity away to NC?[/quote'] Did the Liebherrs tell you that themselves or was it just in the Sun ? The running of MLSWD 612 or whatever it is and SFC are opaque. Perhaps it was a stipulation in Markus's will that the loans be turned into equity and the club was left to NC. For me the "Liebherrs (meaning Mme Catherine no doubt) are out of it and NC owns and runs the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 If it was a condition that Markus laid down upon his death that SFC debts were to be paid off, then perhaps, yes. In fact it makes a lot of sense to me. Fair enough - if we do indeed have one single owner and his name is Cortese (although I cant quite believe this to be the case) - then well he CAN as he likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Did the Liebherrs tell you that themselves or was it just in the Sun ? The running of MLSWD 612 or whatever it is and SFC are opaque. Perhaps it was a stipulation in Markus's will that the loans be turned into equity and the club was left to NC. For me the "Liebherrs (meaning Mme Catherine no doubt) are out of it and NC owns and runs the club. I thought it was on teh officila club release so no need to get all sarcy about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 cortese is the most important person at this club end of. u could always feel we was going places with him in charge whatever manager he chose was getting a great job with a club that going places because of the ambition and backing. be it pardew adkins or whoever else nc picked we would eventually got to where we were aiming. i dont understand the grief cortese gets on here from some people? are you ungratefull or just missing the rupert lowe days? think where we were before cortese was in charge, on the verge of extinction, now we are in the premier league signing the likes of gaston ramirez. nc has been great for us stop whining and enjoy!! The first sentence worries me, been down that road with Rupert, Manager should be most important person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 A couple of wins and most of this crap will just fade away. Roll on 2014 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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