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I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

 

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/saintslist/message/114999

 

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We were bullies at home. Look at our clean sheets, usually came in home games when we were playing mid table sides and battering them 3 or4 nil. How many times did we put in resilant performances and ground out a win or a point in a game we weren't the better side in?

 

Brilliant. Not out of the top two all season in a promotion year and we we somehow fluked it... Feck me.

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This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

 

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/saintslist/message/114999

 

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That's only 1 reason.

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Brilliant. Not out of the top two all season in a promotion year and we we somehow fluked it... Feck me.

 

I didn't say we fluked it. I said we were great when we were in control of games, having most of the possession but how may points did we win by strong defensive displays by holding onto a one goal lead or keeping the other team out and nicking on on the break? Not many I can tell you. The warning signs were there last season as it was obvious to anyone that we wouldn't get the majority of Possesion against the good sides and if we couldn't defend properly we'd be punished in the premier league. And so it is proving.

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This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

 

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/saintslist/message/114999

 

posted by fitzhughfella on saintslist

 

Thank you for posting. Interesting reading.

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no I'll let FF do that if he wants, saintslist is in the public domain anyway but I'm not going to repeat the rumour put forward. Surprised it hasn't made it here already.

 

It made it here already.

 

Just on here it came as analysis and speculation making 2+2 equal something.

 

Did that fuel the rumour or was there more?

 

HTH everyone

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I didn't say we fluked it. I said we were great when we were in control of games, having most of the possession but how may points did we win by strong defensive displays by holding onto a one goal lead or keeping the other team out and nicking on on the break? Not many I can tell you. The warning signs were there last season as it was obvious to anyone that we wouldn't get the majority of Possesion against the good sides and if we couldn't defend properly we'd be punished in the premier league. And so it is proving.

 

It was always going to be tougher playing Manchester United than Ipswich...

 

We've been undone by some really poor defending the like of which we simply didn't see last year at all.

 

At no stage in any game when we were leading last season did I fear us conceding - whereas now we don't seem to be able to defend a blind man on a Peeping Tom charge...

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Sure he wouldn't say it if he didn't want people to hear it.

 

 

 

He said it on a members only forum specifically saying that it be passed on without attribution to him. He didn't post it on here.

 

He's being naive, but he'll still go apesh it.

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I didn't say we fluked it. I said we were great when we were in control of games, having most of the possession but how may points did we win by strong defensive displays by holding onto a one goal lead or keeping the other team out and nicking on on the break? Not many I can tell you. The warning signs were there last season as it was obvious to anyone that we wouldn't get the majority of Possesion against the good sides and if we couldn't defend properly we'd be punished in the premier league. And so it is proving.

 

So we should have only won games by the odd goal or gifted teams possession to make a point? It's not our problem if the quality of the opposition was poor and teams are usually praised, not criticised for ending up easy winners.

 

At the end of the day we had the third best defensive record and third best away record and managed to get points at some of the toughest grounds in the league (at least measured by their home records).

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Everyday there seems to be more and more rumours and stuff coming out. There seems to be so much out there surely not all of it can be untrue and let's be honest, the club isn't helping itself either

 

Poor relationship with the local media

Poor relationships with local business

Poor relationships with ex players

rumours of interference with team selection and transfer

Rumours of Adkins having a poor relationship with the chairman

Question marks over Reeds role and influence

The training ground

The bungled transfer window

The loan

The contempt some fans are treated with

Th contempt staff are treated with - lots of stories of ex employees being treated very very badly

 

It's not painting a very pretty picture of life at St Mary's right now. I'm sure some of you will continue to dismiss it but there is simp,y too much out there for it all not to be true or none of it the clubs fault.

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So we should have only won games by the odd goal or gifted teams possession to make a point? It's not our problem if the quality of the opposition was poor. At the end of the day we had the third best defensive record and third best away record and managed to get points at some of the toughest grounds in the league (at least measured by their home records).

 

How many games did we win where we ground out victory despite being under the cosh for most of the game? You know where we had to defend well and hold onto what we had. So often we'd give a way a goal or let a lead slip when put under pressure. And don't say Leeds as that was an unreal goalkeeping performance, bad finishing and luck rather than a great defensive display.

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It was always going to be tougher playing Manchester United than Ipswich...

 

We've been undone by some really poor defending the like of which we simply didn't see last year at all.

 

At no stage in any game when we were leading last season did I fear us conceding - whereas now we don't seem to be able to defend a blind man on a Peeping Tom charge...

 

Which Is why I was very clear to say that the warning signs were there last season when we would often concede against poorer opponents when put under pressure that we'd be punished even more in this league where we won't have 65% possession in most home games.

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How many games did we win where we ground out victory despite being under the cosh for most of the game? You know where we had to defend well and hold onto what we had. So often we'd give a way a goal or let a lead slip when put under pressure. And don't say Leeds as that was an unreal goalkeeping performance, bad finishing and luck rather than a great defensive display.

 

But by and large good teams don't need to grind out results because they are head and shoulders above the opposition. On your reasoning the Arsenal invincibles side would be flat track bullies because they d*cked loads of teams.

Not saying that necessarily applies in our case -I also think we overachieved- but your benchmark is an odd.

 

FWIW, there were plenty of gritty performances.

 

Barnsley (a)

Burnley (a)

Millwall (a)

Hull (a)

Leeds (a)

Reading (a)

Wham (a)

Brum (a)

Coventry (a)

Derby (a)

Palace (a)

Wham (h)

Hull (h)

Blackpool (h)

 

And in many games we lost, we never capitulated but fought to the end e.g. Leicester (a), Cardiff (a), M'boro (a)

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It's clear to all but the most blinkered happy clappys that there is clearly something seriously amiss at Saints and has been throughout the summer.

 

It just hasn't felt right and I said so straight after the Wigan game, it has the same vibe as before AP was sacked.

 

One thing I'm sure of, is that it's all going to end in tears. Ours.

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But by and large good teams don't need to grind out results because they are head and shoulders above the opposition. On your reasoning the Arsenal invincibles side would be flat track bullies because they d*cked loads of teams.

Not saying that necessarily applies in our case -I also think we overachieved- but your benchmark is an odd.

 

FWIW, there were plenty of gritty performances.

 

Barnsley (a)

Burnley (a)

Millwall (a)

Hull (a)

Leeds (a)

Reading (a)

Wham (a)

Brum (a)

Coventry (a)

Derby (a)

Palace (a)

Wham (h)

Hull (h)

Blackpool (h)

 

And in many games we lost, we never capitulated but fought to the end e.g. Leicester (a), Cardiff (a), M'boro (a)

 

A gritty performance away at Coventry?!! A 4-2 win against a team that went down and into admin!! And you say my bench mark is odd!!

 

Out of all this the only ones I'd describe as 'gritty' were Millwall and Brum. How West Ham is in there is beyond me as they and a player sent off after 10 minutes! Palace were absolutely shi*te, Reading battered us, Leeds the same and we got lucky. They had 30 attempts at goal FFS! Hardly a gritty defensive display!

 

Good teams don't grind out wins?! What have Man U done at times every season for the last 20 years?!

 

The point I was quite clearly making and you are ignoring is that we were great when we dominated teams, yet when we needed to defend and were put under pressure we often conceded and threw away points. Th evidence was clear to see that we werent that good defensively when put under pressure last season and it's proving to be the case this season when we aren't dominating teams like we did in the championship.

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This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

 

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/saintslist/message/114999

 

posted by fitzhughfella on saintslist

 

So if this is true (big if) Nigel was going to walk last season........puts an interesting twist on the whole loyalty to the manager issue.....

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A gritty performance away at Coventry?!! A 4-2 win against a team that went down and into admin!! And you say my bench make is strange!!

 

Out of all this the only ones I'd describe as 'gritty' were Millwall and Brum. How West Ham is in there is beyond me as they and a player sent off after 10 minutes! Palace were absolutely shi*te, Reading battered us, Leeds the same and we got lucky.

 

The point I was quite clearly making and you are ignoring is that we were great when we dominated teams, yet when we needed to defend and were put under pressure we often conceded and threw away points. Th evidence was clear to see that we werent that good defensively when put under pressure last season and it's proving to be the case this season when we aren't dominating teams like we did in the championship.

 

Coventry is there because we could have caved in after they pulled it back to 2-2. Grittiest performance was Hull away. But the point remains: statistically, the sample is skewed. There weren't many gritty games to choose from because the quality was so poor and we didn't need to battle to get points. Thats what happens if youre a half decent side -you dont nick games, you dominate them.

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Everyday there seems to be more and more rumours and stuff coming out. There seems to be so much out there surely not all of it can be untrue and let's be honest, the club isn't helping itself either

 

Poor relationship with the local media

Poor relationships with local business

Poor relationships with ex players

rumours of interference with team selection and transfer

Rumours of Adkins having a poor relationship with the chairman

Question marks over Reeds role and influence

The training ground

The bungled transfer window

The loan

The contempt some fans are treated with

Th contempt staff are treated with - lots of stories of ex employees being treated very very badly

 

It's not painting a very pretty picture of life at St Mary's right now. I'm sure some of you will continue to dismiss it but there is simp,y too much out there for it all not to be true or none of it the clubs fault.

 

I'vesaid it before and I'll say it again, Cortese is not a businessman he is a banker. He is out of his depth and lurches from one screw up to the next. He is no more responsible for our baqck to back promotions than Delia Smith is for Norwich's.

The Liebherr family need to act now and sack the fool, and get in someone who isn't going to trample all over our heritage.

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Everyday there seems to be more and more rumours and stuff coming out. There seems to be so much out there surely not all of it can be untrue and let's be honest, the club isn't helping itself either

 

Poor relationship with the local media

Poor relationships with local business

Poor relationships with ex players

rumours of interference with team selection and transfer

Rumours of Adkins having a poor relationship with the chairman

Question marks over Reeds role and influence

The training ground

The bungled transfer window

The loan

The contempt some fans are treated with

Th contempt staff are treated with - lots of stories of ex employees being treated very very badly

 

It's not painting a very pretty picture of life at St Mary's right now. I'm sure some of you will continue to dismiss it but there is simp,y too much out there for it all not to be true or none of it the clubs fault.

 

But turkish these are just rumours there is simply no point in discussing something that isn't verified.

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Coventry is there because we could have caved in after they pulled it back to 2-2. Grittiest performance was Hull away. But the point remains: statistically, the sample is skewed. There weren't many gritty games to choose from because the quality was so poor and we didn't need to battle to get points. Thats what happens if youre a half decent side -you dont nick games, you dominate them.

 

I'm sure the Man U teams over the last 20 years would beg to differ that good teams don't nick games. They've done it successfully for two decades.

 

Middlesborough

Pompey home and away

Ipswich

Reading

Brighton

Blackpool

 

All games that off the top of my head all we had to do was be solid and gritty and we'd have got the point (s) but we didn't and let in soft goals.

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I'vesaid it before and I'll say it again, Cortese is not a businessman he is a banker. He is out of his depth and lurches from one screw up to the next. He is no more responsible for our baqck to back promotions than Delia Smith is for Norwich's.

The Liebherr family need to act now and sack the fool, and get in someone who isn't going to trample all over our heritage.

 

No no no! He's a great businessman! Well that's what we keep being told. Can't think of too many examples of this being true.

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I'm sure the Man U teams over the last 20 years would beg to differ that good teams don't nick games. They've done it successfully for two decades.

 

Middlesborough

Pompey home and away

Ipswich

Reading

Brighton

Blackpool

 

All games that off the top of my head all we had to do was be solid and gritty and we'd have got the point (s) but we didn't and let in soft goals.

 

Obviously good teams nick games (like we did) but I wouldn't be surprised if over the course of a season a mid-table side nicks more games than a top of a table side.

Agree we should have hung on in some of the games you mention e.g. Ipswich (h). But over the second half of the season, what stood out more than anything was our resilience. We won ugly plenty of times, even in games that appeared to be walkovers e.g. Watford (a)

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Andy Beal you are a complete knob . That information was for the saintslist members only . You had no right to cut and paste the comments from an esteemed poster who is known on here . Total stupidity on your part. . Whoever you are you are not to be trusted and I can only assume you have your own agenda to cause further division between the club and the fans. For you info I don't necessarily agree with comments of the article you copied .

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This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

 

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/saintslist/message/114999

 

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You couldn't even give the O.P. of this the common decency to honour his request and even went one step further

in revealing his nom de plume on here. I know that many of us know others by real names but this is a bad show

on your part. :x

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Andy Beal you are a complete knob . That information was for the saintslist members only . You had no right to cut and paste the comments from an esteemed poster who is known on here . Total stupidity on your part. . Whoever you are you are not to be trusted and I can only assume you have your own agenda to cause further division between the club and the fans. For you info I don't necessarily agree with comments of the article you copied .

 

why are you getting your knickers in a twist? surely if it was posted on a members only forum it can still easily be accessed by anyone? you only have to join the group so not exactly MI5 secrecy is it, unless I am missing something?

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Fuk me. All we are doing is bad in the league... Why do saints fans get so up tight with the non footballing side of the club

 

It won't be long before we are all marching across itchen bridge burning an dummy of NC

 

Maybe, Nigel is just not up to the task

 

 

Maybe, Nicola is just not up to the task

 

Equally valid point of view to hold TDD, especially when we don't know any details only speculation.

 

Maybe Nicola is picking the team, maybe he isn't

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Maybe, Nicola is just not up to the task

 

Equally valid point of view to hold TDD, especially when we don't know any details only speculation.

 

Maybe Nicola is picking the team, maybe he isn't

 

You really think he is picking the team?

If he is, the football world would know and Adkins reputation would be dealt a huge blow.

 

Just same old story with saints fans. Everything has to be the fault of the board...

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You really think he is picking the team?

If he is, the football world would know and Adkins reputation would be dealt a huge blow.

 

Just same old story with saints fans. Everything has to be the fault of the board...

 

Whilst I don't think he's trying to pick the team I do think he's had a fair amount of undue influence on the hirings and firings and that affects the team at the end of the day.

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You really think he is picking the team?

If he is, the football world would know and Adkins reputation would be dealt a huge blow.

 

Just same old story with saints fans. Everything has to be the fault of the board...

 

Well of course he dies, Thought the entire world knew it was SOP for a Saints Chairman to pick the team.........;)

 

But NC is involved in team affairs - recruitment team - so he is as much to blame for the team we put out that produce howlers as NA is.

 

All 3 of t hem should go, they all failed us as fans

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Lose NC and you will probably lose the Liebherr family, so be careful what you wish for.

 

IMO there are two many panic merchants on this site. We have a long way to go in the season and must just keep giving it our best.

 

Play with out fear. Relegation is NOT a disaster, I am sure we have a plan in hand for such an eventuality.

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Or maybe people are looking for a crisis when there simply isn't one.

 

We've had it so good in the last 2 (or 3) seasons, that everyone has forgotten what it is like to not be winning every week.

 

Yes, it's hard to take, but this is our first season back in the toughest league in the world, after achieving back-to-back automatic promotions (which very few sides have ever accomplished). What exactly do people expect? Has everyone completely forgotten how we used to hardly ever win away from home, and get 1 or 2 absolute maulings every season?

 

I'm not saying we should settle for that in the long run. We need to have some ambition and now more than ever it seems we do actually have some. But success this season is staying up and nothing more. We've been both absymal and fantastic so far this season. If we're still in touch in January then I'm sure we'll look to strengthen at the back for the run-in. There are at least 4 teams that are as bad as us at the moment (Villa, Norwich, QPR, Reading), so it's all to play for.

 

As for our second string getting knocked out the league cup causing a mass panic? People need to get some perspective. Like that's never happened to any premier league team before.

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think they're long gone anyway, financially speaking anyway. There's the equity of course but no doubt they've written that off already.

 

We don't know. The idea was to support the club in a sustainable manner not just chuck money at the club like some 'flash' owners.

 

I think the Liebherr's are still with us and will provide chunks of money as needed not just for the sake of it.

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We don't know. The idea was to support the club in a sustainable manner not just chuck money at the club like some 'flash' owners.

 

I think the Liebherr's are still with us and will provide chunks of money as needed not just for the sake of it.

 

that's why we had to get a loan from the BVI then.

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You really think he is picking the team?

If he is, the football world would know and Adkins reputation would be dealt a huge blow.

 

Just same old story with saints fans. Everything has to be the fault of the board...

 

...would add. Typical saints fans 'someone always has to be to blame full stop'.... when sometimes we just need to accept we are not yet good enough - despite everyone working as hard as they can with the experience they have.

 

For those who only ever get enjoyment from supporting a club when it wins, well its going to be a tough long season for them.... and they will believe every bit of negative gossip, find scapegaots etc if only to satisfy their egos that we would be far better if so-and-so was not in chrage/did things differently blah blah blah...

 

For those that appreciate that supporting has its ups and downs as each new season brings fresh chellenges, especially after a double promotion, its simply easier to take, understand and live with. This is not burrying heads in sand, as defeat never tastes sweet, nor is it happy clappy bol ox. Problems will always manifest themselves when the club is not doing great, but its about being realistic and pragmatic - wind yourself up in to an angry frenzy based on little more than speculation, rumour, gossip and deep seated prejudices and look like fragile egoed school girls as a result, or accept that this jump/transition to the flight has come more rapidly than the club and its staff have the experience to deal with - and that we should cut them all more slack than some are wishing to do. Worrying about how other fans view us and thus they dents in the pathetically fragile egos is pretty pathetic from grown men. Being proud of what we have achieved despite our frailties in quality, and supporting one and all during what is a difficult and disruptive time, is surely what support is truely about... through thick and thin.

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This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

Although you are totally mad if you think that an internet forum/e-mail list can keep a persons signature (or name) out of the domain once something of a sensitive nature is revealed, the way that Andy Beal abused the original request makes him/her the biggest cooont in the world. I hope he gets outed and I get a chance to meet the pee-rick.

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Although you are totally mad if you think that an internet forum/e-mail list can keep a persons signature (or name) out of the domain once something of a sensitive nature is revealed, the way that Andy Beal abused the original request makes him/her the biggest cooont in the world. I hope he gets outed and I get a chance to meet the pee-rick.

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Although you are totally mad if you think that an internet forum/e-mail list can keep a persons signature (or name) out of the domain once something of a sensitive nature is revealed, the way that Andy Beal abused the original request makes him/her the biggest cooont in the world. I hope he gets outed and I get a chance to meet the pee-rick.

 

Outed ? with a name like Andy Beal that can't be difficult, he's probably on facebook and not the millionaire poker playing big loser.

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Although you are totally mad if you think that an internet forum/e-mail list can keep a persons signature (or name) out of the domain once something of a sensitive nature is revealed, the way that Andy Beal abused the original request makes him/her the biggest cooont in the world. I hope he gets outed and I get a chance to meet the pee-rick.

 

So someone posts a rumour on a forum from another forum and it makes them the biggest **** in the world? Some people need to get a bit of perspective.

 

If someone posts something on the internet, don't be surprised to see it passed on. This isn't the ****ing illuminati.

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