Suhari Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 In the context of the long term plan, and given the improved parachute payments, would it REALLY matter if we went down this year? What is the worse that would happen? We'd lose a few high profile players for £££££££. Gaston, Lallana, SRL; couple of others. And with our **** hot academy, and financial clout, surely we'd bounce straight back up? NA has shown he can drag us out of the Champ, and with a little more experience he might be the guy to take us to Europe. Continuity counts. OR: We MUST stay up this year, even if we employ a saggy faced **** to make sure we do. Mentally I'm 50:50 on this. Torn up like a cheerleader on prom night. Wonder what the rest of our fans really want from their team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 We got relegated from the prem before, bounced straight back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 last time we went down (twice)...was a right hoot...the club was all the better for it..right..? you talk about financial clout..why have we taken out a loan against next years TV money...? as for continuity...did you stress that when Wotte was moved on...? we could have had 4 years of him now...that would have been fantastic..right..? staying up is very important as teams that go down are used to losing..and losing most weeks..I doubt we would go down and keep a team as strong as west ham did last season..(who fisnished 3rd)...we would probably have a new manager and loads of discontent around the club....we would no doubt lose a bunch of our best players leaving us with mostly, the dross that played tonight... going down would be shyte all round really...like it generally is for every single club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Yes, of course it would bloody well matter. I'm shocked at the general attitude towards potential relegation. It would set us back years. People are assuming that we will bounce back up. People need to wake up and realise that the team we had out tonight, is probably the team that would represent us in the championship should we go down. We would lose players such as Adam, probably Rickie, obviously Gaston, Clyne...basically, anyone half decent would leave. We'd be left with a shell of a side with no momentum and losing habit. I'm of the opinion that we must stay up this year. With the massive payment we get as a PL club next year, football will change again and it will be even harder to get back and establish ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Personally the sooner we are out of the Premier League the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 we wouldn't bounce up we would default on NC/Lieberhhs 5 year plan NC/Lieberhhs would abandon ship after 2 years Saints ****ed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I have said countless times and as early as may, that the club would not look at things in the short term. We will build a future in a sustainable way. As you have so concisely described ther will be a strategy for relegation and promotion again. There always has been and that means going back to the time when we were taken over. I have famously coined the phrase a 'yoyo' plan and all the indications arfe that I was right on the button ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Possible 11 if relegated: Gazzaniga Clyne Fonte Stephens Shaw JWP Cork Schneiderlin Rodriguez Sharp Lee Not so bad really. Proof, if anything that we have a 'yoyo' plan. Some very good young players ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Whats the bloody point of two successive promotions just to get relegated again.I think a good run in the team for Ramirez and Cork could make a big difference,we must stay up and attempt to become an established Prem side,be it with Adkins or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Whats the bloody point of two successive promotions just to get relegated again.I think a good run in the team for Ramirez and Cork could make a big difference,we must stay up and attempt to become an established Prem side,be it with Adkins or someone else. Because progress in the long term is hardly ever without a few down turns ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I don't think we will go down but if we did it wouldn't be the end of the world. We haven't got the 27 years to defend anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 actually this is the worst season to be relegated as the TV payments increase massively next season under the new TV deal. we need to somehow stay up this season and then use the extra money to make sure we are not in a relegation battle again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 actually this is the worst season to be relegated as the TV payments increase massively next season under the new TV deal. we need to somehow stay up this season and then use the extra money to make sure we are not in a relegation battle again. ^ This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I'm really not bothered the PL offers football fans very little (as expensivley as possible) . Yeah it's great for players, managers and chairmen who love the massive wages and celebraty status....but really for fans of any but 5-6 top sides the PL is just one long painful slog of a season after another knowing you'll never get close to winning the league and won't compete in the cups in an attempt to safe guard the PL millions...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's a hell of a lot easier to stay up than it is to get up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Whats the bloody point of two successive promotions just to get relegated again.I think a good run in the team for Ramirez and Cork could make a big difference,we must stay up and attempt to become an established Prem side,be it with Adkins or someone else. Do you really think Ramirez and Cork are going to turn us into a solid defensive unit? These players reputations grow simply by not being in the team while it is stinking the place out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If we get relegated this season most of our better players will leave. Lallana, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Cork, Ramirez and Mayuka would all be on their way I suspect. We could also lose Shaw and Ward-Prowse. And I'm not sure Sharp would come back as he'll probably be playing Premier League football with Notts Forest. We are going to have to rebuild the team - and the last time we had to do that we ended up in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Staying in the prem is the be all and end all,have you forgotten the wilderness years the last time we got relegated?.....the parachute payment means nothing if you don't bounce straight back up and we certainly won't be doing that. If the prem has come as a shock then the championship will give us a heart attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 of course it bloody matters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 possible line up if relegated = the team that played Leeds. we won that one didn't we, easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's a hell of a lot easier to stay up than it is to get up. Dunno - I've never had any problem, or complaints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 possible line up if relegated = the team that played Leeds. we won that one didn't we, easy Difference being that if that was our regular championship starting 11 they would know each other's game exponentially better than last night, so not a 'like for like' comparison IMO. (That's not to say there's any guarantee they wouldn't play that badly in the long run either of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 possible line up if relegated = the team that played Leeds. we won that one didn't we, easy Really so if we get relegated our entire 1st eleven is off and we will not bring in any new players ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I hope that we stay up, but I don't want the club to spend more than we can afford in the attempt. Football clubs in general get sucked into poor finances by spending next year's money this year or running a loss 'just for this season' to stay up and then end up running unsustainable losses every season. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TmWjyFaMFIEJ:www.ft.com/cms/s/0/94623760-b7af-11e0-8523-00144feabdc0.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a The link describes a game that economists play where they bid for a dollar bill. The catch is that the top 2 bidders both pay, but only the winner gets the cash. Logic makes it sensible to bid $1.01 if the current winning bid is $1, because it's only a loss of $0.01, rather than $0.99. According to the article, this can lead to stupid bids of up to $200. It's obvious that this is stupid, but where you draw the line isn't obvious: $2, $5, $50? It's easy for fans to demand that the club spend a bit too much money to stay up, running a small loss in the process. The financial failures of Portsmouth, Leeds, Saints and the massive debt in clubs like Bolton prove it's a bad policy. If running the club within its means results in relegation, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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