The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Which earlier question? The one you just avioded above. I'll repeat it. If Cortese were to ask Reed to decide which player he prefers between two recruitment possibilities: is that truly not a decision being made by Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 They are the same thing. The football staff purchasing decisions involve large sums of money, so it is only right that the chairman has the final say as he is ultimately in charge of the money. Cortese has stated as such in public interview. What planet are you on? NC won't judge the player. He'll ask football men if the player is decent and an improvement. He'll then approve the signing , or not, based on information received and the financial aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What planet are you on? NC won't judge the player. He'll ask football men if the player is decent and an improvement. He'll then approve the signing , or not, based on information received and the financial aspect. Which will be a decision made by the football men; surely? I'm not being mad in thinking that's what happens, am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) What planet are you on? NC won't judge the player. He'll ask football men if the player is decent and an improvement. He'll then approve the signing , or not, based on information received and the financial aspect. The one you just avioded above. I'll repeat it. If Cortese were to ask Reed to decide which player he prefers between two recruitment possibilities: is that truly not a decision being made by Reed? I ignored it because it is irrelevant and meaningless as a question. It would be an opinion from Reed, but that wouldn't automatically result in the club making that decision. Ultimately it is down to Cortese to decide how the club acts based on the information he receives from a number of sources ontop of Les Reed. To solely blame Les Reed for what you perceive to be mistakes in transfer activity is wrong. Ultimately we won't truly know until March/April/May 2013. Edited 31 October, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) What planet are you on? NC won't judge the player. He'll ask football men if the player is decent and an improvement. He'll then approve the signing , or not, based on information received and the financial aspect. Good to hear, though that's not what some on here have been insinuating i.e. bizarre suggestion that NC singlehandedly brought in Guly and forces managers to play him. Its the same people who start threads like this. Edited 31 October, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I ignored it because it is irrelevant and meaningless as a question. It would be an opinion from Reed, but that wouldn't automatically result in the club making that decision. Ultimately it is down to Cortese to decide how the club acts based on the information he receives from a number of sources ontop of Les Reed. To solely blame Les Reed for what you perceive to be mistakes in transfer activity is wrong. Ultimately we won't truly know until May 2013. Who said I'm blaming Les Reed alone? Why are you accusing me of that? Have you made that up against me?? Once again you're adding in bits and pieces to deflect from your wrong statement. You're avoiding my questiont because you don't like the answer. And because, again, it proves you wrong. You said, and I will continue to quote this: Just because Reed is in charge of the recruitment department (along with three other departments) it doesn't mean he is making recruitment decisions. You think Les Reed makes no decisions. And you think that Cortese makes all decisions. How does Cortese make decisions if his right hand man makes none??? Of course Reed makes decisions. Its his job. He sifts through players, makes a decision on one we should sign, then gets the rubber stamp from Cortese. They both make a decision on it. To suggest they don't is naive and childish on your behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 You were being a total WUM this morning, but I do agree with you on this. It seems LR has a lot to say about what goes on at SFC, which would be expected given how NC would have worked in his banking days, and from articles I've read he definitely thinks he can bring the success he helped bring to the England set-up to Saints although from the sound of it he can just repeat theory and knows and can do jack-sht himself. What is this he was there in 66 England's only success Abject failure ever since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Do you not think Reed is earning alot? I do. So do you think that the other areas he he is responsible for such as the academy for example, he has no input into the way it runs. Or is it just the recruitment department he is in responsible for but not responsible for anything that happens in? And while you're there tell is how schools and Tescos run their staff training programmes as I'm sure ours will be based on theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Not a different track at all. Reed doesn't rubber stamp recruitment decisions, Cortese does on the advice of those I listed (which includes Reed). How can this be? The CEO of Tescos isn't responsible for what goes on the shelves, that's down to the buyers. So based in your school analogy, would it be fair to say its actually Cortese, not Reed who is the head master, and Reed as director of 5 departments including recruitment and has 50 direct reports, is 'head of maths' so to speak with several people in the department reporting into him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Good to hear, though that's not what some on here have been insinuating i.e. bizarre suggestion that NC singlehandedly brought in Guly and forces managers to play him. Its the same people who start threads like this. Exactly This is how clubs work these days, with a team looking at players and making decisions, possibly made up by Reed, NC, NA, head scout and possibly head of academy. To think otherwise is nonsense as this protects clubs against wildcard managers changing entire teams every year. Reed hasnt done a bad job, he has overseen the academy and brought some decent talent in, to think that he singlehandedly does everything is as crazy as one of MLGs analogies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's quite evident that we have a policy which Adkins is trying to stick to, he said himself he is 'we have a policy at this club we are doing our best to adhere to' I would imagine he has to play 4-3-3 whenever possible, So who chose the formation the times we haven't played 4-3-3? Who's made the call when we've changed tactics mid-game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Fulhamm at home was not 4-4-2!!!!!!!!!!!! Fulham home 4-4-2 Spurs home 4-4-2 Leeds United 4-5-1 Granted the other games we started 4-3-3 but we swapped to 4-4-2 in the second half vs Wigan. Didn't we change tactics/formation against Everton as well? Not that I expect a response, you ignore these games every time they're put to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Fulhamm at home was not 4-4-2!!!!!!!!!!!! 4-4-1-1 then, it certainly wasn't 4-3-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Reed is (actually) working as a Director of Football (but under another title)....and Nigel Adkins has to work with his selections......He can only work with the (staff) players he's given. much the same as in most companies.. the Boss makes the mistakes....... and the workers get the sack when everything goes wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It is clear to me that something is seriously wrong at SMS. The body language, the formation, the new players, players like Hammond, Harding & Sharp being fired off before they even got a chance......................................The rumours................ IT AINT GOOD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It was 4-5-1.........................................Wigan changed to 4-4-2. We did not adapt & looked rubbish. The amount of people (me included) on here who argue about the formation set u simply proves to me that we have changed too much too soon!!! We all got 4-4-2. The players got it..........................it does not appear anyone gets what we are doing now!!! 4-4-1-1 then, it certainly wasn't 4-3-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It was 4-5-1.........................................Wigan changed to 4-4-2. We did not adapt & looked rubbish. The amount of people (me included) on here who argue about the formation set u simply proves to me that we have changed too much too soon!!! We all got 4-4-2. The players got it..........................it does not appear anyone gets what we are doing now!!! You can quibble about whether Lambert played off Jrod but it looked like 4-4-2 to me with plenty of long balls thrown in. We've looked poor each time we've played 4-4-2 this season - teams have played through us with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Just because Reed is in charge of the recruitment department (along with three other departments) it doesn't mean he is making recruitment decisions. Sorry, but I just can't get away from the unadulterated brilliance and breathtaking naievety of this statement. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Where are all these failings that everyone keeps talking of? We've achieved successive promotions and are struggling in the Premier League as 99% of promoted clubs do when they go up. We have a young, positive manager who seems to have integrity, a chairman who has backed the team financially, and a brilliant academy that seems to be on the cusp of producing some very good players. Seriously, it's not that bad!!!!!! It seems some people on here just want things to go badly in order to have something to moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 You can quibble about whether Lambert played off Jrod but it looked like 4-4-2 to me with plenty of long balls thrown in. We've looked poor each time we've played 4-4-2 this season - teams have played through us with ease. This. It was 4-4-2 with Rickie in the hole. Rickie was NOT part of a five man midfield! We have looked poor playing 4-4-2, but we've also looked poor playing 4-3-3. For me the best we've played is against United when we played 4-3-3 with Davis, Ward-Prowse and Morgan in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - Former FA Technical Director - Authored the FA's official coaching manual - Set up the Centre of Excellence programme - Part of England setup at three World Cups Fookin useless then.The English FA biggest joke in World Football ! Reeds an institutional yes man of yesteryear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Sorry, am I missing something? 'I am responsible for what we call the football and development centre, FDSC incorporates coaching, Sports medicine and science, scouting and recruitment, Kit and equipment and the academy' He says he clearly says he is responsible for scouting and recruitment. No where does he mention Paul Mitchell, who will no doubt be on of the 50 staff that reports to him. It's not quite what you say really. This means that he is responsible for those departments. So the head of recruitment would report to him, as would the person who deals with coaching (Adkins I'd assume), the person who deals with medicine and sports science etc, he lists quite a few responsibilities and for most of them, you'd assume he doesn't actually do it all himself, why assume he takes the only active hand in recruitment when you wouldn't with the others. If they are likely to be delegated to experts, why do you decide he doesn't delegate recruitment and scouting? Also, he is just the next link in the management chain, he is then one of three who report to Cortese who has responsibility for all of those areas plus those of the other two directors. It may well be that he is to blame, but your reasons for thinking so here are weak. I'm not saying you're wrong on this, just that you need a better reason for announcing it so emphatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 [TABLE=class: tweet] [TR=class: tweet-header] [TD=class: avatar] [/TD] [TD=class: user-info]Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook [/TD] [TD=class: timestamp]14h [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: tweet-container] [TD=class: tweet-content, colspan: 2]If Adkins does leave #saintsfc dont be surprised to see Les Reed replace him [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Where are all these failings that everyone keeps talking of? We've achieved successive promotions and are struggling in the Premier League as 99% of promoted clubs do when they go up. We have a young, positive manager who seems to have integrity, a chairman who has backed the team financially, and a brilliant academy that seems to be on the cusp of producing some very good players. Seriously, it's not that bad!!!!!! It seems some people on here just want things to go badly in order to have something to moan about. How many of those promoted clubs spend 30m in all the wrong places ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's not quite what you say really. This means that he is responsible for those departments. So the head of recruitment would report to him, as would the person who deals with coaching (Adkins I'd assume), the person who deals with medicine and sports science etc, he lists quite a few responsibilities and for most of them, you'd assume he doesn't actually do it all himself, why assume he takes the only active hand in recruitment when you wouldn't with the others. If they are likely to be delegated to experts, why do you decide he doesn't delegate recruitment and scouting? Also, he is just the next link in the management chain, he is then one of three who report to Cortese who has responsibility for all of those areas plus those of the other two directors. It may well be that he is to blame, but your reasons for thinking so here are weak. I'm not saying you're wrong on this, just that you need a better reason for announcing it so emphatically. So it's weak to presume that the person who says he is responsbile for recriuitment and scouting might actually be responsbile for recruitment and scouting? Christ, he really has got a cushy job if he isn't responsible for any of the departments he his director of!! I think i am starting to get it though. When we sign good players and do well, the "transfer commitee" and Reed and Cortese have done a great job. When we fail in the transfer market its because they aren't responsible or it's someone elses fault. This is how the world of spazboards seem to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 [TABLE=class: tweet] [TR=class: tweet-header] [TD=class: avatar] [/TD] [TD=class: user-info]Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook [/TD] [TD=class: timestamp]14h [/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: tweet-container] [TD=class: tweet-content, colspan: 2]If Adkins does leave #saintsfc dont be surprised to see Les Reed replace him [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] If this happens i hope everyone will back the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 So it's weak to presume that the person who says he is responsbile for recriuitment and scouting might actually be responsbile for recruitment and scouting? I think i am starting to get it though. When we sign good players and do well, the "transfer commitee" and Reed and Cortese have done a great job. When we fail in the transfer market its because they aren't responsible or it's someone elses fault. This is how the world of spazboards seem to work. TBF people have said the transfer committee (Reed, Micthell, Adkins, scouts etc) got it wrong with a lack of defenders this summer, you're the one placing all the blame on Les Reed. Has he tapped your missus or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 TBF people have said the transfer committee (Reed, Micthell, Adkins, scouts etc) got it wrong with a lack of defenders this summer, you're the one placing all the blame on Les Reed. Has he tapped your missus or something? Where does the buck stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 How many of those promoted clubs spend 30m in all the wrong places ? I don't think we have spent £30m in all the wrong places. Ramirez seems to be worth it, Clyne has done well, J Rod is still unproven, Mayo hasn't done the best but I think will come good, and Mayuka looks good from what I've seen. It's only really Davis who I don't rate. Mistakes will be made. I think getting rid of Adkins is the worst thing we could do. You don't become a bad manager overnight. Everyne cries out for stability, and even the best managers have some poor times. In 1989 many journalists and Man U supporters wanted Ferguson to be sacked! Every manager needs time, and Adkins has got the vast majority of things right since he's been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Where does the buck stop? Not with Les Reed; that's for certain. Just because Reed is in charge of the recruitment department (along with three other departments) it doesn't mean he is making recruitment decisions. Sorry, I still can't help chuckling when I read that. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) I don't think we have spent £30m in all the wrong places. Ramirez seems to be worth it, Clyne has done well, J Rod is still unproven, Mayo hasn't done the best but I think will come good, and Mayuka looks good from what I've seen. It's only really Davis who I don't rate. Mistakes will be made. I think getting rid of Adkins is the worst thing we could do. You don't become a bad manager overnight. Everyne cries out for stability, and even the best managers have some poor times. In 1989 many journalists and Man U supporters wanted Ferguson to be sacked! Every manager needs time, and Adkins has got the vast majority of things right since he's been here. "seems" "unprove" "hasnt done the best" "dont rate" well that's £24m out of the £30m that is still unproven, dont rate or not doing the best. Edited 31 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I don't think we have spent £30m in all the wrong places. Ramirez seems to be worth it, Clyne has done well, J Rod is still unproven, Mayo hasn't done the best but I think will come good, and Mayuka looks good from what I've seen. It's only really Davis who I don't rate. Mistakes will be made. I think getting rid of Adkins is the worst thing we could do. You don't become a bad manager overnight. Everyne cries out for stability, and even the best managers have some poor times. In 1989 many journalists and Man U supporters wanted Ferguson to be sacked! Every manager needs time, and Adkins has got the vast majority of things right since he's been here. Unfortunately a goals against average of a fraction under 3 goals per game suggests otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 In 1989 many journalists and Man U supporters wanted Ferguson to be sacked! . You're never more than ten posts away from the Alex Ferguson case study on here. Thanks for coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Not with Les Reed; that's for certain. Just because Reed is in charge of the recruitment department (along with three other departments) it doesn't mean he is making recruitment decisions. Sorry, I still can't help chuckling when I read that. :lol: It's an all time great MLG moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 You're never more than ten posts away from the Alex Ferguson case study on here. Thanks for coming. I reckon David Moyes is the better analogy, I'm pretty sure he had Everton in a relegation batttle in his second season. They stuck with Moyes, rest is history etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 So it's weak to presume that the person who says he is responsbile for recriuitment and scouting might actually be responsbile for recruitment and scouting? I think i am starting to get it though. When we sign good players and do well, the "transfer commitee" and Reed and Cortese have done a great job. When we fail in the transfer market its because they aren't responsible or it's someone elses fault. This is how the world of spazboards seem to work. That doesn't really correspond with anything I wrote, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am not going to blame Reed. NA picks the team, sets the formation, coaches the players. If we are crap, its because of him. On the off-chance the interference rumours are true, its still NAs fault for accepting this set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I reckon David Moyes is the better analogy, I'm pretty sure he had Everton in a relegation batttle in his second season. They stuck with Moyes, rest is history etc. Moyes saved Everton from relegation in his first quarter season there, he then had a very respectable first full season where Everton qualified for the UEFA or something. After that he had troubles with knob players who were there when he arrived but as he dealt with them in a typical Glaswegian manner and not the kind of nicey-nicey way that you'd imagine Adkins using, he eventually imposed his will and turned them around. The rest is history. The real point being that he was good from the gun in the PL and knobbish players couldn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) Where does the buck stop? Good question. The Scouting and Recruitment department is part of the Football Development and Support Centre. Les Reed is the executive director of the centre so the buck stops with him. For the record here is a list of all the people that report to Les (taken from http://www.saintsfc.co.uk): Administration Manager/PA - Vicki Crossley Elite Under 21 Coach - Martin Hunter Under 18 Youth Coach - Jason Dodd Development Goalkeeping Coach - Vince Bartram International Football Development Manager - Radhi Jaidi Scouting & Recruitment Department Senior Recruitment Officer - Bill Green Scouting & Recruitment Manager - Paul Mitchell Performance Analyst (Academy) - Natasha Patel Research Analyst (Recruitment) - Ian Torrance Research Analyst (Performance) - Scott Waters Scouting Administrator - Emily Webb Performance Analyst - Tom Stockwell Youth Recruitment Officer - Rod Ruddick Academy Recruitment Scout - Chris Welman Analyst - Stephen Corns Head Analyst - Andrew Stone Academy Academy Manager - Matt Crocker Academy Administrator - Derek Old Assistant Academy Manager - Terry Moore Under 14 Youth Coach - Anthony Limbrick Under 16 Youth Coach - Steven Greaves Professional Development Coach - Paul Williams Academy Liaison Officer - Kirsty Cavanagh Academy Teacher - Toby Redwood Academy Goalkeeping Coach - Ryan Flood Assistant Foundation Coach - Andy Marks Assistant Youth Development Coach - Graeme Murty Academy Mini Bus Driver - Paul Beazley Bath Academy Development Coordinator - Matt Hale Education & Life Skills Manager - Julie Batchelor Kit & Equipment Manager - Ron Arthur Laundry Assistant - Denise Bullock Sports Medicine & Science Sports Medicine & Science Manager - Mo Gimpel Academy Physio - Mal Godschalik Assistant Academy Physio - Steven Sparks Pro. Players Physio - Emma Gimpel Physiotherapist - Tom Sturdy GPS Analyst & FDSC Sports Science Assistant - Ben Rosen Athletic Development Manager - James Bunce Academy S&C Coach - Mark Armitage Academy S&C Coach 9-16 - Jon Fortescue So, if Paul loses the minibus keys or Denise doesn't put enough fabric conditioner in with the players' socks you know whose fault it is... yep, our Les! Edited 31 October, 2012 by shirleysfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am not going to blame Reed. NA picks the team, sets the formation, coaches the players. If we are crap, its because of him. On the off-chance the interference rumours are true, its still NAs fault for accepting this set-up. That's an extremely simplistic approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am not going to blame Reed. NA picks the team, sets the formation, coaches the players. If we are crap, its because of him. On the off-chance the interference rumours are true, its still NAs fault for accepting this set-up. FFS Alpine have you not been listening??!? Reed and Cortese pick the team, buy the palyers and choose the formations (except when we play 4-4-2 but we're ignoring those games, it's almost like they didn't happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Who exactly makes up our transfer committee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 That doesn't really correspond with anything I wrote, Chris. Chris? So lets just get this straight, He is director of the recruitment department, but does actually recruit, he is part of the management line so the head of recruitment does the recruitment, then Cortese oversees everything. So other than delegate what does Reed do in the recruitment department that he is director of? It sounds like a great job to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I reckon David Moyes is the better analogy, I'm pretty sure he had Everton in a relegation batttle in his second season. They stuck with Moyes, rest is history etc. Actually, the Feguson case study is much like Moyes - Fergie had a very good start at Man U finishing second in his first full season. He proved he could do it. It was this that helped keep him in a job, although some people on this forum get very upset with this fact, not sure why.... Sticking with a good manager going through a rough patch is a good thing to do. I am happy for Adkins to get more time -he's earnt it - but I don't think he'll get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Who exactly makes up our transfer committee? Not Les Reed, he doesnt make decisons on recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's not quite what you say really. This means that he is responsible for those departments. So the head of recruitment would report to him, as would the person who deals with coaching (Adkins I'd assume), the person who deals with medicine and sports science etc, he lists quite a few responsibilities and for most of them, you'd assume he doesn't actually do it all himself, why assume he takes the only active hand in recruitment when you wouldn't with the others. If they are likely to be delegated to experts, why do you decide he doesn't delegate recruitment and scouting? Also, he is just the next link in the management chain, he is then one of three who report to Cortese who has responsibility for all of those areas plus those of the other two directors. It may well be that he is to blame, but your reasons for thinking so here are weak. I'm not saying you're wrong on this, just that you need a better reason for announcing it so emphatically. Not with Les Reed; that's for certain. Just because Reed is in charge of the recruitment department (along with three other departments) it doesn't mean he is making recruitment decisions. Sorry, I still can't help chuckling when I read that. :lol: Maybe you could read norwaysaint's post and equate it with what MLG has said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Chris? So lets just get this straight, He is director of the recruitment department, but does actually recruit, he is part of the management line so the head of recruitment does the recruitment, then Cortese oversees everything. So other than delegate what does Reed do in the recruitment department that he is director of? It sounds like a great job to me. To be fair he is the Executive Director of the Football Development and Support Centre, a bit more than recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Unfortunately a goals against average of a fraction under 3 goals per game suggests otherwise. No I would suggest poor defensive coaching and an insistance of Zonal marking were to blame here, perhaps along with a lack of a decent LB. All in all though I reckon a decent Defensive coach COULD organise these guys to be better than they are. I am not going to blame Reed. NA picks the team, sets the formation, coaches the players. If we are crap, its because of him. On the off-chance the interference rumours are true, its still NAs fault for accepting this set-up. Unfortunately as much as I love Adkins I agree with Alps here, and sorry to say it Turks, as much as I agree Reed and the crew obviously have a say in the way the club is run to say he has as much influence as he does (selection, tactics etc) is utter guff. The fact Adkins continually admits its his mistakes says this to me, he just doesnt seem to be the sort of bloke to gleefully admit to anothers mistakes. As for signings, in the whole they are ok, playing Maya and J Rod out of position doesnt help either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Good question. The Scouting and Recruitment department is part of the Football Development and Support Centre. Les Reed is the executive director of the centre so the buck stops with him. For the record here is a list of all the people that report to Les (taken from http://www.saintsfc.co.uk): Administration Manager/PA - Vicki Crossley Elite Under 21 Coach - Martin Hunter Under 18 Youth Coach - Jason Dodd Development Goalkeeping Coach - Vince Bartram International Football Development Manager - Radhi Jaidi Scouting & Recruitment Department Senior Recruitment Officer - Bill Green Scouting & Recruitment Manager - Paul Mitchell Performance Analyst (Academy) - Natasha Patel Research Analyst (Recruitment) - Ian Torrance Research Analyst (Performance) - Scott Waters Scouting Administrator - Emily Webb Performance Analyst - Tom Stockwell Youth Recruitment Officer - Rod Ruddick Academy Recruitment Scout - Chris Welman Analyst - Stephen Corns Head Analyst - Andrew Stone Academy Academy Manager - Matt Crocker Academy Administrator - Derek Old Assistant Academy Manager - Terry Moore Under 14 Youth Coach - Anthony Limbrick Under 16 Youth Coach - Steven Greaves Professional Development Coach - Paul Williams Academy Liaison Officer - Kirsty Cavanagh Academy Teacher - Toby Redwood Academy Goalkeeping Coach - Ryan Flood Assistant Foundation Coach - Andy Marks Assistant Youth Development Coach - Graeme Murty Academy Mini Bus Driver - Paul Beazley Bath Academy Development Coordinator - Matt Hale Education & Life Skills Manager - Julie Batchelor Kit & Equipment Manager - Ron Arthur Laundry Assistant - Denise Bullock Sports Medicine & Science Sports Medicine & Science Manager - Mo Gimpel Academy Physio - Mal Godschalik Assistant Academy Physio - Steven Sparks Pro. Players Physio - Emma Gimpel Physiotherapist - Tom Sturdy GPS Analyst & FDSC Sports Science Assistant - Ben Rosen Athletic Development Manager - James Bunce Academy S&C Coach - Mark Armitage Academy S&C Coach 9-16 - Jon Fortescue So, if Paul loses the minibus keys or Denise doesn't put enough fabric conditioner in with the players' socks you know whose fault it is... yep, our Les! It'd be interesting to know what input Reed has in the other areas. Considering some on this thread doesn't make decisions on recruitment, i wonder if the same applies to the academy, medicine and administration departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Maybe you could read norwaysaint's post and equate it with what MLG has said... I don't understand why you're using my response to Turkey with an unrelated statement from norway. But Les Reed is on a transfer committee, made up of 4 people. So its clearly not something he delegates when it comes to decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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