hypochondriac Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 That'll be Adkins then... Why do you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Don't know why everyone thinks him being sacked is imminent. I certainly don't. This is the League Cup - I'm sure Cortese gives not a **** and if Adkins was to be sacked before West Brom it would have been soon after the Spurs defeat. It's not the defeat, but the manner of it. Defensively shocking again, no fighting spirit, and it took us 70 minutes to have a shot a goal against a team in the league below us. Reserve team or not, that's ****ing pathetic. There is no strength in depth and no form of leadership (on and off the pitch) All he players on show tonight are in our premier league 25-man squad and are supposed to be able to fill in and do a job against PL teams. Worrying, very very worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Why do you say that? He's part of the "transfer team" Which he talks about. Along with NF/LR and a few scouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 sounds like he is publically saying "please dont sack me" he makes out a number of times that it completely his responsibility with the 1st team Not according to Turkish and his "source"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 The team selection tonight was absurd and an insult to fans who went to the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliegeorgesflymo Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I hope that sorry sack of **** who call themselves professional footballers turn up for our next match and win. Adkins doesn't deserve half the **** he is getting at the moment. I'm with the 'give him til Christmas' camp. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugget steve Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 He is such a good guy, and will one day be a top, top manager. But I think he is going to walk 'in the best interests of the football club'. And in about 7 years, when he is lifting a trophy with England, we'll say he used to be ours. this post almost brought a tear to my eye, and i happen to hold the same view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What a load of ******** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Not sure why posters think Cortese will sack Adkins. Cortese has always made it clear the league is a priority Our first team played a tough league game only 2 days before We already have injuries to key players. Cannot afford more. Chance for club to look at fringe players and some of the future in tough game rather than practice matches or development games. Some were found wanting and it will give an idea where we need to cover in January Give the man a chance. He deserves at least that. We will not find stability if we keep sacking Managers. How is it some teams can play European & Internationals matches on average every 3 days and we can't managed to play an average every 9 days if you count how many matches we've played since the start of the season? Adkins should at least put the big guns on the bench as 30 minutes is hardly going to hurt with a weeks rest. I fear he lost the bottle to the fringe players and played them to keep the peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Before that. It all started after Reading beat us. I'm sure I'll be told I'm making stuff up again though. It did start directly after that game, I was informed that by Alex Pearce,he heard a great deal. i started a thread on this....but again,apparently it was made up. sometimes people should pin back their ears instead of putting their fingers in them because they don't like what they hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If he does go the Players have let him down, Big time! I don't agree,the players are out of their depth and are being asked to play in formations that they can't cope with,if rumours are true that there is interference preventing Nigel from playing it his way then he needs to stand up for himself and his players and do what he thinks is best......so really NA has let the players down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I don't agree,the players are out of their depth and are being asked to play in formations that they can't cope with,if rumours are true that there is interference preventing Nigel from playing it his way then he needs to stand up for himself and his players and do what he thinks is best......so really NA has let the players down. so the players cant cope with 4-4-2? It's not all NA fault, he knew all summer (as did most fans) that we needed defenders, for whatever reason we didnt get them in I dont believe was down to him, whether that be our scout system failing, Reed not agreeing or NC failing at the negotiation stage. Either way, something has gone wrong just hope they address it very soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 so the players cant cope with 4-4-2? It's not all NA fault, he knew all summer (as did most fans) that we needed defenders, for whatever reason we didnt get them in I dont believe was down to him, whether that be our scout system failing, Reed not agreeing or NC failing at the negotiation stage. Either way, something has gone wrong just hope they address it very soon! The players can't cope full stop,the majority are only championship quality at best,players are playing out of position and NA's tinkering is creating more problems than it fixing. I agree that something has gone dreadfully wrong when our problems were obvious to everybody but we were in the top 2 of the championship for the majority of the season so nobody can use the excuse of promotion taking us by surprise,we had a season to prepare for the prem and not a thing was done to give us a decent chance. Last January I was calling for us to sign players in preperation for promotion,to get them bedded in early but it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think NC - like most of us was fairly p*ss*d off we threw away the chance we had of winning the title against Reading last season - no too mention the surrender to Blackpool. Much like we failed to win the League 1 title as well the season before Perhaps his faith in Adkins and their relationship broke down after that. To be fair we crawled over the finishing line to promotion last season. I've heard rumours from people that seem to always know what's going on inside the club that we had a number of players all but signed and sealed in the summer - but Cortese delayed and they went somewhere else or stayed put. Perhaps Cortese's confidence in Adkins judgement has gone - and Adkins know's it. It certainly seems that there was some disagreement over players signed in the summer as Adkins kept talking of signings but they never seem to happen. Tandanari and Yoshida were both commercial signings - and Ramirez and Mayuka vanity signings - it seems to me. I don't think any of them were Adkin's choices. I am starting to think a parting of the ways is inevitable. Those same people also tell me that Cortese wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Arsenal's "fringe players" put up a spunky performance Ron? For some reason ours didn't. Perhaps that is something to do with the manager? Any player who is receiving a wage from us and who fails to deliver a 100% effort in a match irrespective of their relationship with the manager should be out the door - soon as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It did start directly after that game, I was informed that by Alex Pearce,he heard a great deal. i started a thread on this....but again,apparently it was made up. sometimes people should pin back their ears instead of putting their fingers in them because they don't like what they hear. I could well believe it, that game cost us the title and we were pretty dire, something that wouldn't please NC at all. Hammond cost us the game that night which is probably why he got shipped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Summary of NA's interview: Not a fun night Don't think it was a penalty Isgrove was a bright spark and positive for the club Jos got caught out We set our stall out We tried to be positive and utilise width and pace I must take full responsibility I made 11 changes, you can talk about it all day long - we played 48 hours ago and have to consider recovery process Playing those with something to prove Playing our youngsters to give them the chance to be 'right' for the football club Of course this matters - we are playing for Southampton Football Club I expect performances After tonight, there will be consequences for that performance It is my responsibility - that team should be able to win, but it is my responsibility I tried to give some players without game-time an opportunity People will always talk (about me), but stability is important at every level - we want to be successful The chairman will decide what is right for the football club Our relationship (NA and NC) has to be right and correct We need stability but cannot keep losing games like that We must address issues for the sake of Southampton Football Club and the supporters who have always been superb to me All I want is the best for Southampton Football Club I don't want to be anywhere else, I want nothing more than for SFC to be successful - and be successful together I love Southampton Football Club Also was asked... Blackmore: "In fairness, you're saying you accept responsibility - but there were a lot of senior players out there to take responsibility...?" Adkins: "Yes." OK, but does that mean that if it had been a Prem Fixture, he would have made tha same ELEVEN changes ?? Doesn't make sense Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 NA stated we need stability and that is after having 3keepers and dropping/subbing our talisman. The confidence points dropped and the players faith in the manager will be vital in the long run. NA will rue the 2games where he took RL off when in winning positions as if we had only gained 2 points from those games his position would be much better today. The fans who travelled last night were short changed and it was shamefully disrespectful to them as much as anyone. I have never been on the bus but have enjoyed the success, but aim sorry to say that such a decent man is out of his depth. He will get other teams promoted again but if ML 5 year plan is to be completed it will be without NA. I am sad about this as the club need stability but we also need to stay up, the tv money is going to be even more important from next season. We went down before just at the start of the big tv revenues and we don't want that to happen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Arsenal's "fringe players" put up a spunky performance Ron? For some reason ours didn't. Perhaps that is something to do with the manager? Seriously? You're comparing Walcott et al with De Ridder etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Right. What a great result that was last night, and (IF you are an embattled manager who did not get the players he wanted in the summer) what a perfect way to show "People in Charge" that what they thought was a decent "Squad" are simply a bunch of L1 Journeymen. We need rid of a whole raft of players (including some fans favourites who run around a lot) and we need to bring in players with SOME quality about them. Last night showed once and for all that the kids aren't ready (YET) (apart from JWP) and that SDR should stick to Twitter and hang up his boots. IF there are internal politics going on then last night was the perfect result. Of course, whether that tactic works is as debateable as some of NA's substitution decisions this year. Personally I think NA is the best man in British Football for the job. About the only way I would support his leaving was IF he had really lost the dressing room. Sunday's 2nd half proved that he hasn't Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 He's part of the "transfer team" Which he talks about. Along with NF/LR and a few scouts So Adkins is not solely responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Right. What a great result that was last night, and (IF you are an embattled manager who did not get the players he wanted in the summer) what a perfect way to show "People in Charge" that what they thought was a decent "Squad" are simply a bunch of L1 Journeymen. We need rid of a whole raft of players (including some fans favourites who run around a lot) and we need to bring in players with SOME quality about them. Last night showed once and for all that the kids aren't ready (YET) (apart from JWP) and that SDR should stick to Twitter and hang up his boots. IF there are internal politics going on then last night was the perfect result. Of course, whether that tactic works is as debateable as some of NA's substitution decisions this year. Personally I think NA is the best man in British Football for the job. About the only way I would support his leaving was IF he had really lost the dressing room. Sunday's 2nd half proved that he hasn't Yet Phil, the best man in BRitish football for the job! Not IMO, he has made some pathetic calls this season and that has cost us dear. We cannot afford anymore. If HR came with JOe Jordan we may stay up. Jordan would have to be with him because HR without big Joe is not tactically aware enough. Yes it is galling to think that Rosie 47 was arriving, but to most fans who are not as engrossed as us would take him on. I recall when GH was coming back and the cost it had on the club before.If NC gets him in we may have the chance of seeing us climb the league, and with JOrdan in the changing room I don't the will to win would not be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Just read the 'Adkins takes responsibility' article on BBC. He mentions more than once that some players blew their chance to prove they belong to be in the first team. Anyone who was there or listened to the game shed any light as to who in particular let their chances slip? I'm aware it was a bad performance by most. I'm a bit gutted mayuka and Lee couldn't make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) sounds like he is publically saying "please dont sack me" he makes out a number of times that it completely his responsibility with the 1st team ....YES, but to be fair .....he didn't say ...but I didn't buy some of the players we've got...... and I didn't get some of those that I wanted. (he's certainly got the shi**y end of the stick) Edited 31 October, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Right. What a great result that was last night, and (IF you are an embattled manager who did not get the players he wanted in the summer) what a perfect way to show "People in Charge" that what they thought was a decent "Squad" are simply a bunch of L1 Journeymen. We need rid of a whole raft of players (including some fans favourites who run around a lot) and we need to bring in players with SOME quality about them. Last night showed once and for all that the kids aren't ready (YET) (apart from JWP) and that SDR should stick to Twitter and hang up his boots. IF there are internal politics going on then last night was the perfect result. Of course, whether that tactic works is as debateable as some of NA's substitution decisions this year. Personally I think NA is the best man in British Football for the job. About the only way I would support his leaving was IF he had really lost the dressing room. Sunday's 2nd half proved that he hasn't Yet Sums it up nicely for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Just read the 'Adkins takes responsibility' article on BBC. He mentions more than once that some players blew their chance to prove they belong to be in the first team. Anyone who was there or listened to the game shed any light as to who in particular let their chances slip? I'm aware it was a bad performance by most. I'm a bit gutted mayuka and Lee couldn't make an impact. New(er) players look good coming into a balanced (winning) side, not one filled with reserve players and " young boys " who are scarcely old enough to vote. Arsenal showed what a second string should look like last night in that amazing game at Reading. 0-4 down.. and they still fought back, they had quality - even at that level - we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Phil, the best man in BRitish football for the job! Not IMO, he has made some pathetic calls this season and that has cost us dear. We cannot afford anymore. If HR came with JOe Jordan we may stay up. Jordan would have to be with him because HR without big Joe is not tactically aware enough. Yes it is galling to think that Rosie 47 was arriving, but to most fans who are not as engrossed as us would take him on. I recall when GH was coming back and the cost it had on the club before.If NC gets him in we may have the chance of seeing us climb the league, and with JOrdan in the changing room I don't the will to win would not be there Nick. I do not EVER want HR near our club in ANY way shape or form. Joe Jordan has proven himself as a number two but we don't need a number two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Nick. I do not EVER want HR near our club in ANY way shape or form. Joe Jordan has proven himself as a number two but we don't need a number two nor do I by choice but to leave NA in charge is a massive risk. The substitution of RL against MAn U with 25 minutes to go was a nonsense, to then do similar against FUlham showed he learned nothing. I suspect NA sanctioned playing the reserves with NC. And so expect he is clear about last night but ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I imgine 3 points from wither WBA or Swansea will save his job. Other than that I'm giving him until 12 November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The team selection tonight was absurd and an insult to fans who went to the match. Agreed!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Adkins saying "I must take full responsibility for our performance" is him getting into his coffin and asking NC to close the lid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 the only consolation being......we now know what (their) limitations are, and..... it didn't cost us another three points to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 First of all I take my hat off to the fans who went. All I could hear on the radio was us - very much like West Ham where we carried on cheering to the end. I could only listen on the radio and missed the first 15 minutes thanks to the M3 but I think last night just taught us what we already suspected - that some of the youngsters are not ready yet and some of the squad players are not good enough even at Championship level. You cannot judge on one performance but some of them have had quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 In terms of Nigel, I think that a poor peformance (forget the result for the minute) will see him sacked. I think this will be a sad day for the club but bottom at Xmas when the fixtures have evened out normally means one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Arsenal's "fringe players" put up a spunky performance Ron? For some reason ours didn't. Perhaps that is something to do with the manager? Or the fact that they're Arsenal fringe players and not Southampton fringe players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Arsenal's "fringe players" put up a spunky performance Ron? For some reason ours didn't. Perhaps that is something to do with the manager? And alot to do with Dreading bottling it! Their defense at times made ours look world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McGrath's Jockstrap Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 As the interview says NA has to take the responsibility.On a slightly different slant why would Nigel expect that the so called fringe players would step up and produce a performance for him?. They are fringe players for a reason - and I am sure that Nigel has told them that they are and why they are. Why would you want to spill blood for a manager who doesn't play you/rate you?. You do not turn up at Leeds with an attitude of any less than 100% commitment and expect to get a result. My view is that there were certain players in that team - Davis, Chaplow,Guly,Butterfield, De Ridder etc who quite frankly have no allegiance to the manager because they are effectively frozen out of the first team. If he gets the sack ....so what??. The upside for them is that an incoming manager will make a fresh appraisal of them and they probably would take their chance on that. Once the rot starts it is very difficult to stop - unless you get a change at the helm (even though we know the tactic doesn't always work) .......have to trust Cortese's judgement to know when that time is reached...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 He needs plenty more time. We'll be fine, Ramirez back soon n'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Arsenal's "fringe players" put up a spunky performance Ron? For some reason ours didn't. Perhaps that is something to do with the manager? They've also probably played more competitive football than our fringe players, even if it's only youth level. The closest our lot has come to game time is 6-a-side in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 NA has to say things like the 'game mattered' but in reality it did not. We just have to see this season out. The league is what matters and we have to stick with NA and remember that we can bounce right back if we get relegated. We have a 'yoyo' strategy in place ! You keep saying that so why spend more than 30m and buy a 15m midfielder who will probably leave for a lot less if we go down if that was our strategy. Yo Yo doesn't make any senses at all there is no guarantee when you go down you can come straight back (look at last seasons relegated sides and the seasons before). The only credible starategy is to do what you can to stay up and try to stay within your means or at least as close to them as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think Adkins will be given till Ramirez and Cork return. If he still can't get the team into winning ways I think that will be the time for him to stand down. Yet the fact we didn't bring in a decent defender in the 3 months the window was open defies the simplest of logic. In the past a player like Rodriguez would have been drafted into defense. He's big enough and surely we've enough strikers not to lack from cover. Guly too is big and ugly enough to block opponents strikers. Anything is better than the current set up. in defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Or the fact that they're Arsenal fringe players and not Southampton fringe players? Having the likes of Walcott as a fringe player has a lot to do with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think Adkins will be given till Ramirez and Cork return. If he still can't get the team into winning ways I think that will be the time for him to stand down. Yet the fact we didn't bring in a decent defender in the 3 months the window was open defies the simplest of logic. In the past a player like Rodriguez would have been drafted into defense. He's big enough and surely we've enough strikers not to lack from cover. Guly too is big and ugly enough to block opponents strikers. Anything is better than the current set up. in defense Are you suggesting we use Guly and Rodriquez as our centre back pairing against the type of forwards we are facing? Cant see that stopping the flood of goals going in. There have been a couple of successful forward CB conversions Dion Dublin comes to mind but there arent that many successes I can remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I still maintain that Fraser Richardson would make a competent centre half. I mentioned this once before but I was 'shouted down TM'.:scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Why are people getting so upset about our reserves losing at Leeds - one of the hardest places to go in the Championship. It would have been nice for them to have got a better result but certainly not important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Something doesn't feel right at our club since we got promoted? Interesting observation - and I think therein lies the problem. Motivating players to get there is one thing, but what are they playing for now? Pride isn't enough. Perhaps the demands of playing in Europe frightens some...remember many of these guys came from League 1/Championship sides/Scotland!! Perhaps many of them want to be back in their comfort zones - some of the players last night didn't look as if they cared. The team carried de Ridder for lengthy spells, Guly stepped up a couple of times but didn't put in a shift, and the other two lads up front had no service whatsoever until Isgrove came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 the only consolation being......we now know what (their) limitations are, and..... do you actually find out the limitations of players when chucked in with 10 other players? The quality level was downtowards championship level, but you also are less organised as you've not played as a group before. How much do you really find out? Here's an example. Chaplow (OK so he's not first team material in many eyes but bear with me) game relies on through balls from quality players picking out his runs. He does the running, but he needs talent to make his running worthwhile. Last night he not only didn't have the quality players around him to pick him out, but he also had to play the role of `quality player' making the passes, which is not his game at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I still maintain that Fraser Richardson would make a competent centre half. I mentioned this once before but I was 'shouted down TM'.:scared: it wasn't me that shouted you down, but I don't agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 He needs plenty more time. We'll be fine, Ramirez back soon n'all. you'll need a tin hat I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Is it the defeats or the nature of the defeats that bother us all? Many (including me) understood the awful fixture list at the start of the season, but we lost playing well, making a game of it. If saints continue to play in a manner that is now beginning to typify us: West Ham, 1st half Spurs, Leeds, then I cant see how anyone would be happy for things to remain as they are. So.. we need performances and of course a few results to go our way, ugly wins to get some pressure off of the Club. But.. I like NA, he deserves the chance to manage our club the way he has always tried... we will look back at this stage in our history and pinpoint the transfer activity (NA or NC responsibility) and the error of NOT building on our successes of the last few seasons by building from the back to ultimately be the cause of our current situation. This club must be built on stability and starting (once again) to chop and change managers is in my opinion NOT the way to go. NA must be given the chance to get Saints out of the bottom 3 and keep them out for the end of the season. Then we can start to look forward again. The Saints are going up...the table! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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