simo Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Anyone think those that travelled up should get their money back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Dnt be sily, that would mean Cortese giving something to the fans, we're still waiting for our pints from the Plymouth game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Not "should" as there is no guarantee regarding team selection or performance when you buy a ticket. But it would be a decent gesture by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Yes. I am sure the club has breached the Trades Description Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Players tonight should be ashamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Thats my opinion too. They should refund the fans. How many of them would've gone if they honestly thought they'd see ELEVEN changes.........basically a reserve side! I expected to see a few changes, but i expect my team to TRY AND WIN any competition they enter. The team we put out sent out all the wrong signals for me. What happpens if we get stuffed by West Brom on monday? They would have sacrificed a chance of a Wembley final for nothing. F-cking disgracefull!!! As quickly as we progressed over the last few years we are now in danger of going backwards just as quick!!! If you don't like what i have to say TOUGH thats my thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I don't want my money back, would have gone anyway regardless of team selection. That's not to say I'm not incredibly ****ed off with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adysaint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Er, who gives one. Saints reserves lost to a decent Leeds team that beat a pretty full strength Everton in the last round. LC is a waste of time and should be scrapped. Birmingham have never recovered and it badly affected Cardiff last year. We don't need another round , a 2 leg semi and a Final that would move a League game to midweek. Staying in the Prem is worth 90 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Er, who gives one. Saints reserves lost to a decent Leeds team that beat a pretty full strength Everton in the last round. LC is a waste of time and should be scrapped. Birmingham have never recovered and it badly affected Cardiff last year. We don't need another round , a 2 leg semi and a Final that would move a League game to midweek. Staying in the Prem is worth 90 million. I give one........I'd rather Saints won some silverware than spend countless seasons just hanging on in the PL so the players can have nice big fat wages which on tonights performance they don't ****ing deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Er, who gives one. Saints reserves lost to a decent Leeds team that beat a pretty full strength Everton in the last round. LC is a waste of time and should be scrapped. Birmingham have never recovered and it badly affected Cardiff last year. We don't need another round , a 2 leg semi and a Final that would move a League game to midweek. Staying in the Prem is worth 90 million. League cup win is worth countless tedious mid table finishes. It's a trophy and cup final. I'd take one all day long over finishing, say, eighth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 if the LC is so worthless..why did 55k fans turn up for a bloody paint pot at wembley..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 if the LC is so worthless..why did 55k fans turn up for a bloody paint pot at wembley..? This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 League cup win is worth countless tedious mid table finishes. It's a trophy and cup final. I'd take one all day long over finishing, say, eighth. 8th...... bloody happy clappy:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 So lets sacrifice every cup competition so we can finish 17th in the Premier league eh! If thats the way football is going then F---k the Premier League!!! Football used to be about winning tropies not just about ££££. Sometimes, i think i'd sooner see us pushing for the play offs in League one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Er, who gives one. Saints reserves lost to a decent Leeds team that beat a pretty full strength Everton in the last round. LC is a waste of time and should be scrapped. Birmingham have never recovered and it badly affected Cardiff last year. We don't need another round , a 2 leg semi and a Final that would move a League game to midweek. Staying in the Prem is worth 90 million. Leeds weren't anywhere near as good tonight as they were against Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Yes, as the club has just ****ed on the Saints fans, all over them good and proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 500 Heros and Heroines. RESPECT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Nobody forced them to go. There's been plenty of disappointing midweek games that haven't yielded a refund, don't see why this would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Nobody forced them to go. There's been plenty of disappointing midweek games that haven't yielded a refund, don't see why this would be different. This. I was at Rochdale when we lost in midweek. Do i deserve a refund? Going to watch Football you pay to watch the match and to use the stadium, you don't pay for the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 This. I was at Rochdale when we lost in midweek. Do i deserve a refund? Going to watch Football you pay to watch the match and to use the stadium, you don't pay for the results. Slightly different , I was there as well plus other rubbish away performances at walsall , tranmere etc. At least we put out what was a competitive team. Tonight we didn't. It was a kamikaze line up destined for defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 This. I was at Rochdale when we lost in midweek. Do i deserve a refund? Going to watch Football you pay to watch the match and to use the stadium, you don't pay for the results. Its all about the manner of the defeat, I went to Rochdale aswell but feel far more cheated tonight. I wouldn't even want the refund I would however like an apology on behalf of all of the players and Nigel for wasting our time this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Its all about the manner of the defeat, I went to Rochdale aswell but feel far more cheated tonight. I wouldn't even want the refund I would however like an apology on behalf of all of the players and Nigel for wasting our time this evening. No top level professional football club should take such a half hearted approach to winning a game - it's the attitude of losers. At least Leeds won't have made any money out of us tonight going on how much they must have shelled out for all those police and stewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Perhaps those who bought their tickets by credit card can make a claim back from the cc company as the product purchased did not deliver as it should have ie faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 :uhoh:i still want to know what they have done with the 20 loayalty points i got for attending the Sheff Wed game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can we have a refund for those who went to the Arsenal game while we're at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can we have a refund for those who went to the Arsenal game while we're at it? No, because we actually put out what can be deemed as our strongest side and therefore made an attempt at competing. last night we didn't and the players knew it from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Perhaps those who bought their tickets by credit card can make a claim back from the cc company as the product purchased did not deliver as it should have ie faulty. ^This. If people paid for something that they didn't then get they are entitled to a refund under UK consumer law (regardless of whether they paid by credit card or not). I doubt anyone will follow this up though - far easier to vent one's spleen on an Internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I can understand people feeling aggrieved, maybe a refund would a nice getsure but where would you draw the line? That said, the line up was an insult not only to the traveling saints fans but the Leeds fans as well. Why do clubs do that? A cup final is a big deal and it's the best a club like Saints can hope for. To throw that chance away is just shameful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 ^This. If people paid for something that they didn't then get they are entitled to a refund under UK consumer law (regardless of whether they paid by credit card or not). I doubt anyone will follow this up though - far easier to vent one's spleen on an Internet forum. How is this relevant to last night's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 How is this relevant to last night's game? i assume he means people paid money to watch two teams trying to beat each other in a football match, only to turn up and discover only one side had any real intentions of doing so. i have emailed the club to ask for a certificate of authentisity for my 20 loyalty points from Sheff Wed game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) How is this relevant to last night's game? I believe some people are saying they are entitled to a refund because we put out a side that wasn't "fit for purpose" or that they weren't pre-warned by the retailer (SFC) what they would be getting for their money (legal speak = " not as advertised") I'm simply highlighting that people don 't need some kind of club initiative to refund people (not that that would ever happen) but that they already have recourse through the consumer rights act if they feel they were diddled out of their cash. Edited 31 October, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I believe some people are saying they are entitled to a refund because we put out a side that wasn't "fit for purpose" or that they weren't pre-warned by the retailer (SFC) what they would be getting for their money (legal speak = " not as advertised") I'm simply highlighting that people don 't need some kind of club initiative to refund people (not that that would ever happen) but that they already have recourse through the consumer rights act if they feel they were diddled out of their cash. If people are saying they're entitled to a refund by law then they're wrong. If they're suggesting the club could/should feel obliged to voluntarily give them a refund after such a negative selection policy and performance, then they might have a point. It won't happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think they should get the whole Leeds ticket price off the QPR tickets which they should be entitled to automatically. Midweek is impossible for me normally although I am trying to juggle a meeting in Brum next week but those that can make it should be supported with extra points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can't see what the fuss is al about It was obvious we would play the reserves as we did against Stevenage and Sheff Weds I suppose you all want refunds for those games too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Really was sh*te last night. AT LEAST should have had Lambert/Lallana on the bench to throw something at them for 20 minutes? Or are they not even capable of that? Wouldn't say no to a refund but I went with the expectancy that it'd be a reserve team and we'd be likely to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can't see what the fuss is al about It was obvious we would play the reserves as we did against Stevenage and Sheff Weds I suppose you all want refunds for those games too! I was expecting a weakened side, however the difference to the previous rounds was we didn't have another game for 6 days, it was tougher opposition/location, plus a later round - would you expect us to play such a weak team in the semi final for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I quite enjoyed last night in a twisted sort of way. Like watching your wife get raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If people are saying they're entitled to a refund by law then they're wrong. I think that's open to debate but it's obviously a grey enough area for no-one to bother testing it out it practice. If you went to watch Take That and only Jason Orange and 3 understudies pitched turned up, would you seek a refund or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Can't see what the fuss is al about It was obvious we would play the reserves as we did against Stevenage and Sheff Weds I suppose you all want refunds for those games too! we had a stronger squad for those games, against weaker teams, therefore giving ourselves a chance of winning and doing so. here we faced a harder task and needed to asjust for it, instead we got even weaker. if you enjoy being made a mug of paying for that then good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think that's open to debate but it's obviously a grey enough area for no-one to bother testing it out it practice. I'd suggest its fairly clear, actually. Every one of the players from our team last night is in our first team squad. A squad which is formally submitted to the footballing authorities at the start of the season, registering those players to play in competitive first team games. Even the Premier League have given up trying to punish their sides for fielding "weakened" sides, as they recognise its not really enforceable to punish a side for fielding players that are in their first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Squad for last night much the same as Sheff Weds , Stevenage was only a little stronger as we still had Deano and Billy Sharpe avaiable before they went out on loan Sheef Weds Gazzaniga, Richardson, Hooiveld, Yoshida, Seaborne, Cork (Robinson 80), Ward-Prowse, Chaplow, Guly (Reeves 70), De Ridder, Rodriguez (Hoskins 84). Subs (not used): K. Davis, Butterfield, Gape, Sinclair. At neither of the previous rounds this season have we had any experienced players on the bench, something we have done in previous seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'd suggest its fairly clear, actually. Every one of the players from our team last night is in our first team squad. A squad which is formally submitted to the footballing authorities at the start of the season, registering those players to play in competitive first team games. Even the Premier League have given up trying to punish their sides for fielding "weakened" sides, as they recognise its not really enforceable to punish a side for fielding players that are in their first team squad. I actually agree with you. I don't think fielding a second string side is grounds for a refund. I was just trying to give those that do think differently an outlet for their angst. It is arguable that IF it could be proven a given football team didn't put in anywhere near 100% effort then the consumer is entitled to a refund (partial or otherwise). But, as I say, it's a futile argument as it's not something you could prove conclusively. Anyway, long-winded way of saying "I agree" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I actually agree with you. I don't think fielding a second string side is grounds for a refund. I was just trying to give those that do think differently an outlet for their angst. It is arguable that IF it could be proven a given football team didn't put in anywhere near 100% effort then the consumer is entitled to a refund (partial or otherwise). But, as I say, it's a futile argument as it's not something you could prove conclusively. Anyway, long-winded way of saying "I agree" I was just reading up a bit more about it. Apparently they've tried to change the competition rules to make it more like the JPT, in that teams have to select "regular first teamers" based upon "overall appearances or appearances in previous or subsequent games". http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194392/Capital-One-Cup-Football-League-clubs-forced-play-strong-sides.html Apparently though, the new rule is only applicable to Football League clubs and is not enforcible by the Premier League. Although, if anything, this weakens my argument and perhaps highlights that there is indeed a case to be made in law that we acted outside the rules of the competition by fielding such a weakened side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What if Ricky had been thrown on for 20mins and got injured? You'd all be slating Adkins then. I think it was pretty clear that we'd be playing a weekend team (same as other rounds) so the people that went can complain about selection. They could complain about how the selected players played however. I wonder what the people that are calling for JWP, De Ridder, Reeves and Lee to be in the starting line up are thinking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I wouldn't say anybody is ENTITLED to a refund, but given the shocking performance and lack of effort last night, it would be a good gesture from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) What if Ricky had been thrown on for 20mins and got injured? You'd all be slating Adkins then. I think it was pretty clear that we'd be playing a weekend team (same as other rounds) so the people that went can complain about selection. They could complain about how the selected players played however. I wonder what the people that are calling for JWP, De Ridder, Reeves and Lee to be in the starting line up are thinking now? It's not about lambert. It was the continuing inability to set a solid team up and maybe now even score from open play So many people came away from the game saying that was one of the worst performance in year Edited 31 October, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 . I think it was pretty clear that we'd be playing a weekend team But we didn't play our weekend team, we played our reserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What if Ricky had been thrown on for 20mins and got injured? You'd all be slating Adkins then. I think it was pretty clear that we'd be playing a weekend team (same as other rounds) so the people that went can complain about selection. They could complain about how the selected players played however. I wonder what the people that are calling for JWP, De Ridder, Reeves and Lee to be in the starting line up are thinking now? I must have missed seeing people who were advocating all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What if Ricky had been thrown on for 20mins and got injured? You'd all be slating Adkins then. I think it was pretty clear that we'd be playing a weekend team (same as other rounds) so the people that went can complain about selection. They could complain about how the selected players played however. I wonder what the people that are calling for JWP, De Ridder, Reeves and Lee to be in the starting line up are thinking now? I don't get that argument football players get injuries it happens no reason not to play them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I don't get that argument football players get injuries it happens no reason not to play them... Because its all about the premiership (money). I'd love to play our strongest team in every match but how many premiership teams actually do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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