Viking Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I expected saints to put out a decent enough side to have a chance of winning a game against lower league opposition. Lets face it, we need another dicking like a hole in the head. I expected this season to be tough but we are handing it on a plate all opposition. And as for qualifying for europe, who were they trying to kid exactly....we lined up a scratch team against a side who would've seen it as their chance of a scalp and to challenge for some silverware......let's face it, we're not going to win the league, the FA Cup is unrealistic at best, and yet we threw in a side that had no chance of getting a result and who played like it.....I like NA, always have, but he's coming across as way out of his depth at this level.....I'd rather he stayed and continued with the stability that we've been lacking for so long but he needs to wise up and fast before it's too late.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 5 live commentary say we deserve everything we got. Poor team selection, no effort by players. The bad old days are well and truly back and I don't give a stuff it'ts a Mickey Mouse cup. Success breeds success. We are not putting the effort in and can not defend anything. Shocking If this is true I'm afraid it's the end for Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 3rd choice GK 3rd choice RB 3rd choice CB 4th choice CB 3rd choice LB 4th choice RW 4th choice CM 5th choice CM 6th choice CM 3rd choice LW 3rd choice ST yeah, noted - but why? There wasn't a Prem game for another six days, and to take NO first teamers at all to try to win the game says "I don't care about this game." No wonder the players weren't up for it. Usually he puts a few first choicers on the bench to come on and save our bacon. But his squad selection was defeatist. Having said that ... hey ... win next Monday and this will be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Last year at Crystal Palace we put out a similar team and lost 0-2... league performance is all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 absolute ****ing bull****.....tonight's performance would be unacceptable from any club.....I don't expect us to win every game, but I do expect us to run our ******** into the ground and give it everything we've got....this was simply not good enough Like many of you, I watched the Reading v Arsenal game tonight. First half, Reading ran amok. Wenger told them at HT that their performance was unacceptable for an Arsenal shirt. Add a few first choicers like Giroud and they dragged themselves up to and then past Reading. If Adkins can't breathe life into our fringe players in the way Wenger can, then his future with us is bleak. This is sad, but I fear we are near the end stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We are Premier League and should be playing our reserves in this competition. Anything else would be like beating your little kid brother at wrestling. Not bothered in the slightest. Leeds have nothing to be proud of, they are an ordinary bunch of **** kickers with the worst fans in the game. I am proud to be a Saint. We will be fine although I acknowledge others right to panic. We are Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We are Premier League and should be playing our reserves in this competition. Anything else would be like beating your little kid brother at wrestling. Not bothered in the slightest. Leeds have nothing to be proud of, they are an ordinary bunch of **** kickers with the worst fans in the game. I am proud to be a Saint. We will be fine although I acknowledge others right to panic. We are Premier League. not for much longer at this rate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Two wins in a row and everything is rosy again. This is a knee-jerk reaction, and who do we replace Adkins with? It's clear things are lacklustre at the moment. The players have lost belief and now it's sink or swim. I give Adkins 3 more games, 6 points minimum needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Last year at Crystal Palace we put out a similar team and lost 0-2... league performance is all that matters. Though we played half-OK at Palace. We also threw on first teamers when we had to chase the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Last year at Crystal Palace we put out a similar team and lost 0-2... league performance is all that matters. Yes, this I why did not go this time. I was at Palace and we blew a great chance then too by playing like strangers. Although at least he had Lambert and others on the bench that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Though we played half-OK at Palace. We also threw on first teamers when we had to chase the game. Er, Forte started that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Er, Forte started that game. And? I didnt say we started our first XI - we threw on first teamers when we had to chase it. I thought we played OK -not great- that night against a full-strength Palace side and we were unlucky to lose inspite of Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Christ on a bike, what reaction! A game of football was lost, it's happened before and no doubt will happen again. It's really not the end of the world. It was patently obvious we would put out a weak team and get beaten. (That was as close to printing money as you could get!) Also, why does anyone care what Robbie Fowler has to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Never saw that coming, positive, as they say, we can concentrate on league now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Christ on a bike, what reaction! A game of football was lost, it's happened before and no doubt will happen again. It's really not the end of the world. It was patently obvious we would put out a weak team and get beaten. (That was as close to printing money as you could get!) Also, why does anyone care what Robbie Fowler has to say? Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am in for giving somebody more time to learn and recognise mistakes are part of the learning, but keeping everything the same and expecting a different result is teh definition of madness. Changing players but keeping the same system or the same coaching is "hoping" things will change Defensive coaching and organisation is a real skill this, is what we need, I think we could have great players in defence at the moment and results wouldnt be a lot different without changing what we are doing in the defensive structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Where's the loyalty? It was a five year plan so were well ahead of that schedule, therefore NA desrves more time. But more importantly than that, do we want to get imersed ina managerial merry go round again. I can only imagione the posts if he had jumped ship last season and taken a more lucrative job, the shouts of disloyalty would have been deafening. Surely relegated or not he deserves our support, or are we fair weather fans, only sticking by someone during the good times. I can only speak for myself but personally im a little proud to have stuck with us through thick and thin and if truth be told I had more of an enjoyable these past 4 or 5 seasons than I have in many years (30+), knowing we were up against it both on and off the pitch. Like a lot of posters on here I thnk something is amiss, not rocket science when you coinsider the results, but it may simply be NA is still learning his trade and we don't have the players to survive, but either way im not sure that worthy of blame, rather I think we should be grateful we are where we are, there's plenty of other clubs who would bite our hand off to be in the PL. So why not set an example and just show unequivocal support for NA and who knows that might, just night make the difference? The other option is join the rest and hire and fire with every bump in the road. I know which road I will be travelling this season. The five year plan went out the window as soon as it became possible to get into the prem. Adkins even said it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Christ on a bike, what reaction! A game of football was lost, it's happened before and no doubt will happen again. It's really not the end of the world. It was patently obvious we would put out a weak team and get beaten. (That was as close to printing money as you could get!) Also, why does anyone care what Robbie Fowler has to say? Christ, this opinion is so myopic it defies belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am still having massive problems coming to terms with last nights team and squad selection. We had just turned it around in the second half against Spurs, had something to build on, then we go and make 14 or 15 changes to the squad. I dont buy this "recovery" b*ll*cks - the way the first XI would be feeling this morning if they had got their sh*t together and won is a bigger shot-in-the-arm than a couple of more days rest before the WBA game. Adkins hasnt got a f**king clue what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Two wins in a row and everything is rosy again. This is a knee-jerk reaction, and who do we replace Adkins with? It's clear things are lacklustre at the moment. The players have lost belief and now it's sink or swim. I give Adkins 3 more games, 6 points minimum needed. I hear what you are saying but I genuinely don't see 1 win let alone 2......and on the spin. We are shocking and last years 2nd place is beginning to look very very wrong/lucky indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The term knee jerk reaction keeps getting used. So how many more **** poor performances does it take before its not classed as knee jerk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The term knee jerk reaction keeps getting used. So how many more **** poor performances does it take before its not classed as knee jerk ? Agree, some of my dirhard friends gave up hope last night! We can all take losing, but when the players dont give a damn, then I am worried! Reed out def, and an experienced manager also in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 BBC's rather unflattering report on the game, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20053632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am still having massive problems coming to terms with last nights team and squad selection. We had just turned it around in the second half against Spurs, had something to build on, then we go and make 14 or 15 changes to the squad. I dont buy this "recovery" b*ll*cks - the way the first XI would be feeling this morning if they had got their sh*t together and won is a bigger shot-in-the-arm than a couple of more days rest before the WBA game. Adkins hasnt got a f**king clue what he is doing. The point you are missing is not that WBA is six days away, but that the Spuds game was only two days before. There was no point putting our best players at risk, two days after a tough game, against a team of cloggers like Leeds. The real disappointment is that the 'fringe' players did not show that they are worth a place in the Prem team. I like the Cup competitions but this result has zero impact on the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The point you are missing is not that WBA is six days away, but that the Spuds game was only two days before. There was no point putting our best players at risk, two days after a tough game, against a team of cloggers like Leeds. The real disappointment is that the 'fringe' players did not show that they are worth a place in the Prem team. I like the Cup competitions but this result has zero impact on the first team. I really don't think having the likes of Adam and Rickie on the bench to bring on as impact subs would have affected the 1st team to much and would have given us a chance at 1-0. Also how is this "them and us" cup and league teams effecting the team as a whole I wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 At least they went down fighting to a Pl side.... I'll need some convincing that throwing away a 4 goal lead at home to a fellow premier league side's B team is less soul destroying than our premier league B team losing away to a decent championship side. What reaction would there be on here had we 'done a Reading' last night? You'd probably struggle to tell the difference this morning I'd venture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'll need some convincing that throwing away a 4 goal lead at home to a fellow premier league side's B team is less soul destroying than our premier league B team losing away to a decent championship side. What reaction would there be on here had we 'done a Reading' last night? You'd probably struggle to tell the difference this morning I'd venture... Using reading... Who are just as bad as us with the fraction spent as any example is just daft. They are also going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Waaaaaaaahhhhh! Christ, why is everyone getting so angry over this result? Why does us fielding a reserve team mean that there "has to be something wrong within the club"? Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal....they usually field reserve teams in the cup. Does that mean that there must be something wrong within their club? It's never nice to lose, but here are some reasons why you shouldn't really give a f*ck about yesterday: 1) The league is 3000x more important than the League Cup. Would relegation suddenly be ok to fans if we'd reached the Semi-Final in this competition? 2) We made 11 changes, they did not. We fielded a reserve team, they did not. They beat Everton this season, we did not. 3) At least we only conceded 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Using reading... Who are just as bad as us with the fraction spent as any example is just daft. They are also going down I wasn't using Reading as a way of justifying our rubbish performance last night, I was merely countering the widely held view (at half-time last night) that Reading had made the right approach to the competition (because being 4 up would "give them a confidence boost in the league"). My ascertain is that it ended up backfiring on them more than our B team losing will backfire on us. You're right - two wrongs don't make a right, but that wasn't the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 All this who gives a fuk. It's only the league cup That is the complete opposite reaction when pardew obviously went for the paint pot when a few wondered of it may have been better not doing that and going for a playoff spot I was reliably told that the jpt run had no effect on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 All this who gives a fuk. It's only the league cup That is the complete opposite reaction when pardew obviously went for the paint pot when a few wondered of it may have been better not doing that and going for a playoff spot I was reliably told that the jpt run had no effect on the team For what it's worth, I was in the "concentrate on the league" camp during the JPT run. I don't recall being alone but perhaps not in the majority (I seem to recall opinions shifting the closer we got to Wembley funnily enough...). So, in terms of the "inconsistent opinions" charge....not guilty m'lud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 The point you are missing is not that WBA is six days away, but that the Spuds game was only two days before. There was no point putting our best players at risk, two days after a tough game, against a team of cloggers like Leeds. The real disappointment is that the 'fringe' players did not show that they are worth a place in the Prem team. I like the Cup competitions but this result has zero impact on the first team. With the Xmas fixtures coming up I suppose we will try win one of them and give up on the others by fielding the reserves. I don't buy this rest bull**** because those they play internationals and European games are playing every 3 days, we could not even put the big guns on the bench because we thought the cold air in Leeds would hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 With the Xmas fixtures coming up I suppose we will try win one of them and give up on the others by fielding the reserves. I don't buy this rest bull**** because those they play internationals and European games are playing every 3 days, we could not even put the big guns on the bench because we thought the cold air in Leeds would hurt them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of our first teamers are playing with knocks and niggles though, you only need to have seen last night's game to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What I don't get is why there isn't a barrage of criticism about Adkins before the start of a game we end up losing. Given people seemingly know how bad a given team selection will perform before the game starts why wait until the game is underway or over to vent one's spleen? Yes, you get a few murmurings when a "poor" line-up is announced but people tend to wait until the game goes tits up before laying into the management and players.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Waaaaaaaahhhhh! Christ, why is everyone getting so angry over this result? Why does us fielding a reserve team mean that there "has to be something wrong within the club"? Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal....they usually field reserve teams in the cup. Does that mean that there must be something wrong within their club? It's never nice to lose, but here are some reasons why you shouldn't really give a f*ck about yesterday: 1) The league is 3000x more important than the League Cup. Would relegation suddenly be ok to fans if we'd reached the Semi-Final in this competition? 2) We made 11 changes, they did not. We fielded a reserve team, they did not. They beat Everton this season, we did not. 3) At least we only conceded 3. It's not just this game though, is it? Surely even you can see that? It's the fact that we have lost 8 of 12 games this year, which is horrific. I don't care competition we play in, we need to start winning and quickly, otherwise the rot just sets in and it's impossible to get out of. I'm surprised at some peoples views regarding last nights result. This result benefits no one, it just creates more bad feeling amongst fans and malaise within the squad. Unless we start winning soon, we have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What I don't get is why there isn't a barrage of criticism about Adkins before the start of a game we end up losing. Given people seemingly know how bad a given team selection will perform before the game starts why wait until the game is underway or over to vent one's spleen? Yes, you get a few murmurings when a "poor" line-up is announced but people tend to wait until the game goes tits up before laying into the management and players.... I criticised the side before the game but said nothing about Adkins, more about the policy that seems to have been imposed on him. Then again as many will know I'm am not a great believer in our yoof policy because at the end of the day any that are produced by the system who are really good enough just stay here for a few months and then swan off to pastures new looking for trophies and top league positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I thought on paper before the game that this team could give Leeds a run as it had bags of pace. With no shots on goal the older players can now look at themselves, not only for the missed oportunity to impress, but realise that some are not good enough and will never be selected for the 1st Team apart from the odd apperance this season. I do not want to see a managerial change at this stage ,but the tactics must be severely questioned and Adam Blackmore should have asked the question in the post match interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 [video=youtube;U-8cEWPaNzk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U-8cEWPaNzk Ah bless our local sports paper posted something involving Saints Luke Varney's miss last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 [video=youtube;U-8cEWPaNzk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U-8cEWPaNzk Ah bless our local sports paper posted something involving Saints Luke Varney's miss last night Pity Jos wasn't as bad as that with his og's !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Having read all of the posts so far, the ones that talk the most sense are those from ChiSaint, Adrian & Bearsy's short but accurate post. Yes, it was a great disappointment that many of those reserve players didn't grasp the opportunity to fight for a place in the first team and I'm sure that as a result they have done their chances some harm because of their lack of effort. But surely on paper that didn't look too bad a team to put out. For all of those who have been tipped into the Adkins out camp, let's have some suggestions as to who they want to see replace him. Otherwise it is going to make you all look a bit lame saying that you want him gone, but that you don't have a clue who would do a better job. Just one proviso to that; the managerial choice has to be available, with a proven record at this level, affordable and wanting to come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Could be worse. Wouldn't want to be a reading fan this morning. Look at Wigan who lost at home to Bradford. Couldn't even score against them. Let's put this all in to perspective and move on to the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 So all 25 are first choices, then. Pointless comment. Not really, these are the players who are supposed to be able to do a job in the PL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Having read all of the posts so far, the ones that talk the most sense are those from ChiSaint, Adrian & Bearsy's short but accurate post. Yes, it was a great disappointment that many of those reserve players didn't grasp the opportunity to fight for a place in the first team and I'm sure that as a result they have done their chances some harm because of their lack of effort. But surely on paper that didn't look too bad a team to put out. For all of those who have been tipped into the Adkins out camp, let's have some suggestions as to who they want to see replace him. Otherwise it is going to make you all look a bit lame saying that you want him gone, but that you don't have a clue who would do a better job. Just one proviso to that; the managerial choice has to be available, with a proven record at this level, affordable and wanting to come here. About the ONLY available Managerial choice I'd accept at this time (who is available) is probably not yet bored with watching Golf. Pep Guardiola But then he has no PL experience so he's no good either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 At the end of the day, you can call them the reserves/back-ups or whatever you want, bu these are players who are supposed to be able to step in and do a job in the premier league, and flopped big style! We were lucky it isn't 5/6-0, that's how bad we were. No fight, no creativity, we may as well have stayed at home. Something isn't right at the club. Even if the players lack ability, I still expect them to run their bollcks off for the team. The players looked deflated at the start, and even more so at half time. What the f*** NA says to the players I don't know but it isn't working. To play a team in the league below and not have a shot at goal is pathetic. I don't mind losing, or playing players who aren't the most talented, but I do mind having the **** taken out of us by the players and the management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Leeds supporting mate just put this on facebook Including some very poor Leeds Teams ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Remember last season at Leeds - besides the goal we were under the cosh for the whole game - we robbed them.............. So are we actualy any worse on this visit................? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I am still angry after last night...I came away on Sunday hopeful......didn't the prospect of making the last 8 mean anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of our first teamers are playing with knocks and niggles though, you only need to have seen last night's game to know why. How much football has a lot of our first team even played this year? No midweek games, international weekends off etc. Plenty of players play twice a week regularly without any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Waaaaaaaahhhhh! Christ, why is everyone getting so angry over this result? Why does us fielding a reserve team mean that there "has to be something wrong within the club"? Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal....they usually field reserve teams in the cup. Does that mean that there must be something wrong within their club? It's never nice to lose, but here are some reasons why you shouldn't really give a f*ck about yesterday: 1) The league is 3000x more important than the League Cup. Would relegation suddenly be ok to fans if we'd reached the Semi-Final in this competition? 2) We made 11 changes, they did not. We fielded a reserve team, they did not. They beat Everton this season, we did not. 3) At least we only conceded 3. Yes cause we are just like those teams with our Champions league aspirations and our strength in depth. Why does it have to be cups or League? no reason we can't compete in both the idea that becuase we do well in cup we will get relegated from the PL has no substance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Remember last season at Leeds - besides the goal we were under the cosh for the whole game - we robbed them.............. So are we actualy any worse on this visit................? Thats the annoying thing - Leeds were nowhere near as good as they were last season, they really didn't look particularly sharp or hungry last night and a good Saints side could have turned them over. It was hardly an unwinnable game that should just be written off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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