Wade Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 Strange reply, I presume that you are taking the p*ss ? No, it was very rousing.
david in sweden Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) That's a long email for something that you know I don't expect. Let me turn this around. Do you believe that Adkins tactical changes have made no impact on the games we've played, and have you expected us to be beaten by everyone but Villa and Fulham? Also that statement is utter ****, ask Jose of Sir Alex. You can win as a Manager, if you're good enough. And no, I don't mean we should be managed by Jose or Sir Alex, as I'm sure the resident fools will try to misunderstand this point as well. now that's a bit provocative Dibden, (and just when I thought we'd got a good discussion going). tactical changes : the manager has the right / responsibility to field the side he thinks will get a result, however he chooses to play or who he selects. In retrospect (horrible word-isn't it ) ....the selection against Man.City proved to be successful and we scored twice - and even led even if starting with RL on the bench raised some dissenting voices. We all try do double-guess ...why he does certain things, etc? My only guess (as he didn't say why) was that a fighting-fit RL coming on at at 50+ minutes against a tiring City defence might catch them off guard - and so it proved. Even Steve Davis got a goal in that game and he wasn't 100% fit either. Defensive errors cost us that game, but who would have expected us to win that one ? I did question the subbing in the Man U game myself, but again it was the defenders who lost that game for us, not the lack of striking power and everyone would surely admit that all three had run themselves to a standstill and fresh legs were needed. Against Fulham ...no-one played that well (except Fonte for once) and Lambert had a poor game and was last to be subbed. Please read me again...I didn't say we'd lose all the other games. I anticipate that we'll lose a lot more games, and NA said in one interview that we needed to win 10 games and draw a few to survive. As for your comment about Jose and Sir Alex....they are in a totally different class to Adkins with years of top class experience but most importantly managed team with world-class players in them. I was merely pointing out that even they don't win all their games. In comparison, there are scarcely more than a couple of players in our squad that would make the United bench. We......and about a dozen other Prem. sides are simply " not in the same league " in terms of skill/experience.... as you well know. Edited 1 November, 2012 by david in sweden
Wade Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 Thing is plenty of young English managers have failed dismally at the final hurdle and I'm really not sure that NA will not be among their number.It's a hard barrier to get over simply because the other 19 managers in the PL include the best of the best and although they may well have kind and encouraging words about your style at the end of he day they just want to beat you and get 3 points. PL football is about results and unless you're getting them you won't last the course. 1 win out of 9 is atrocious an I personally laud NC for giving his manager so much time. I'd have sacked him after the Everton game. . as for replacements I'd take Benitez if could afford him and look in the Spanish and Italian Leagues if I couldn't, maybe even try to take Puel from Nice. Funnily enough, Sky have just shown highlights of Liverpool winning the Champions League in 2007. I'd take Benitez in a heartbeat.
Chez Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 (edited) I have reservations and if you had read my posts on other threads you would know that. sorry, I didn't realise. Just Alpine then. Personally I don't want to see us sack Adkins, run aimlessly with the reserve team manager for several weeks before turning to bagpuss in desperation (subsequently totally emulate the mistakes of the last prem relegation season). Edited 1 November, 2012 by Chez
Saint86 Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 I can see why you've only posted 140 times... DPS, his post far exceeds yours in content to be honest. Both your original post and your response quoted here.
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 Personally I don't like the fact that we are a club where players and managers 'learn their trade' or 'gain prem experience',I want a club that has an experienced manager in place who has already done his training and has put in the hours in the top flight lording over a team that has a high percentage of experienced players. I'm fed up with experiments and I've had my fill of 'he's one for the future' players who never amount to much.
Mr X Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 1)The defence is awful because we have a team of championship defenders. NA clearly stated at the beginning of the summer that defence was a priority for strengthening and the recruitment team quite clearly failed to deliver. 2)Starting without Lambert worked at City and there is quite clearly some logic in why he starts him from the bench in some games. Scoring goals hasn't been a problem this season, so i don't think this has contributed to our poor start 3)He had no choice but to play Yoshida at full back when Fox has been out injured. Who else was there? 4)Kelvin deserved a chance after what he's done for us the last few years. He isn't up to it so was replaced 5)'toe to toe' against who? How else will this team win games with such a woeful back four? 6)Strange substitutions or players who had run themselves into the ground and couldn't give any more? 7)You're blaming NA for our transfer policy despite Les Reed being 'Head of Recruitment' Our poor start is down to our poor recruitment over the summer. I'd say the Head of Recruitment should shoulder the blame myself So basically a list of excuses for Adkins mistakes! Your right he isn't to blame for everything but some of the issues the buck clearly stops with him and its time to face up to it. It is Adkins job to get the most out of the players whoever they may be first choice transfers or not
docker-p Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 If Adkins hands are tied as appears to be the case, he can hardly be blamed. I think he is the best person for the job and learning fast about the premiership. He just needs to tell Reed and the Dwarf to butt out.
Mr X Posted 1 November, 2012 Posted 1 November, 2012 Good post. The key difference with Wigan was a man who had experience at this level. I desperately want Nigel to succeed but if we do not start learning quick, he won't have any more time to learn... I wish he would go back to what we know and what works. Playing football. If Adkins hands are tied as appears to be the case, he can hardly be blamed. I think he is the best person for the job and learning fast about the premiership. He just needs to tell Reed and the Dwarf to butt out. you are joking right? One win in nine is learning fast? The only thing he's learning is if you adapt weird formations put out under strength sides and take off your best players you get hammered!
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Author Posted 2 November, 2012 Funnily enough, Sky have just shown highlights of Liverpool winning the Champions League in 2007. I'd take Benitez in a heartbeat. That's strange, I could have sworn they won it in 2005. Agree about Benitez though.
Wade Garrett Posted 2 November, 2012 Posted 2 November, 2012 That's strange, I could have sworn they won it in 2005. Agree about Benitez though. My mistake. In my defence I have a massive bout of man-flu.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 November, 2012 Posted 2 November, 2012 you are joking right? One win in nine is learning fast? The only thing he's learning is if you adapt weird formations put out under strength sides and take off your best players you get hammered! I wouldnt worry about Docker-P he is onlyinterested in sticking the boot into Nicola at aby opportunity regardless of results, its a bit sad really.
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Nigel Adkins is fast losing any respect that I had for him as a manager. He should do the decent thing and step down. The longer this goes on the worse it's going to be for all concerned. Please, Nigel. You'll gain a lot more respect by holding your hands up and admitting that you're not up to it.
TheCholulaKid Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 so many more on display tonight... Please share!
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Please share! Share ? What is there to share ? Tonight was the epitimy of tactical superiority, he understood the team he eas playing, played to his best squads strengths and tried to shield their weaknesses. And made the right changes when he needed. Oh you didnt mean Clarke ?
Thedelldays Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Please share! starting formation playing ramirez and lallana playing lambert and rodriguez at HT, switching it to 4231...not bringing on mayuka far earlier than usual turning us into west ham.....allowing lallana to leave fox completely exposed game after game after game
Wiggles31 Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Well under him I cannot see us getting past 15 points at this rate. That was a performance of a team with no fight and zero confidence. What can Adkins do to change things then?
david in sweden Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 I'd persist with Adkins, because unless Cortese can unveil a top grade manager .tomorrow ........we'll be stuck with a caretaker for weeks whilst he interviews interested parties, and only get worse! (if that's possible)
Thedelldays Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 I'd persist with Adkins, because unless Cortese can unveil a top grade manager .tomorrow ........we'll be stuck with a caretaker for weeks whilst he interviews interested parties, and only get worse! (if that's possible) why does it have to be 'top grade'..i would say many lower grade managers would do better....no joke
Saint_clark Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Well under him I cannot see us getting past 15 points at this rate. That was a performance of a team with no fight and zero confidence. What can Adkins do to change things then? We need to get a win by any means at all just to get us out of this slump. Then we have something to build on.
TheCholulaKid Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 starting formation playing ramirez and lallana playing lambert and rodriguez at HT, switching it to 4231...not bringing on mayuka far earlier than usual turning us into west ham.....allowing lallana to leave fox completely exposed game after game after game Strange, you mentioned in a thread the other day that Lallana and Ramirez was part of your dream team. Switching to 4231 at HT? We played that formation for pretty much the whole game. You are clueless and reactionary as usual. As for your comment about lower grade managers....you embarrass yourself.
Thedelldays Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Strange, you mentioned in a thread the other day that Lallana and Ramirez was part of your dream team. Switching to 4231 at HT? We played that formation for pretty much the whole game. You are clueless and reactionary as usual. As for your comment about lower grade managers....you embarrass yourself. lallana and ramirez have both NOT ever been in my dream team...also, that is a bit of fun, played out in a newspaper you really think my comments are clueless and reactionary..I hope you are saying this to nearly the rest of saintsweb also, we certainly never played 4231 the whole game....no f-ing way
TheCholulaKid Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 lallana and ramirez have both NOT ever been in my dream team...also, that is a bit of fun, played out in a newspaper you really think my comments are clueless and reactionary..I hope you are saying this to nearly the rest of saintsweb also, we certainly never played 4231 the whole game....no f-ing way Mate - look at your team in the Ramirez thread the other day. They're both there. Clueless and reactionary? Yeah, that pretty much does apply to most of Saintsweb too. That's the problem with the internet - gives every ****nut a voice. 4231? Given that neither Lallana or Ramirez did any defensive duties, I'd be interested to know what formation you thought we were playing. 4213, perhaps?
Thedelldays Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 Mate - look at your team in the Ramirez thread the other day. They're both there. what the hell are you on about..?
Turkish Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 I'd persist with Adkins, because unless Cortese can unveil a top grade manager .tomorrow ........we'll be stuck with a caretaker for weeks whilst he interviews interested parties, and only get worse! (if that's possible) And we all know who this will be. les Reed.
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 November, 2012 Posted 5 November, 2012 The only question is who we replace him with.
The Godfather Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 The only question is who we replace him with. Spot on. It has to be someone who has managed at this level before and can get us out of the mire because as we stand nothing in terms of current tactics or formation will save us.
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 (edited) Just said on the radio that we are quickly becoming one of the worst teams in the top flight in the last 20 years and that will become a reality if we stick with Adkins Also that last night, Adkins looked like a league 1 manager in the prem. just sat there watching and changing nothing whilst the players persisted with terrible football Also that every game we go into, just way too easy to beat due to the number of flair, froward players..and it continues to not work This hack believes that the fans backing of him is done out of pity and a badge of honour as 10 defeats from 13 is not an accident Basically, we need another 35 points from 28 games. Never going to happen as things stand Edited 6 November, 2012 by Thedelldays
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 I don't think we can entirely blame Adkins for everything. He does seek advice from his No 2& 3 as well. So they must share the blame as well!!!
CB Fry Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 gary megson Did it with Bolton, on five points from ten games when took over, and he kept them up. But of course, Gary Megson is not European football's greatest young managerial talent, like what Adkins is.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 I'd persist with Adkins, because unless Cortese can unveil a top grade manager .tomorrow ........we'll be stuck with a caretaker for weeks whilst he interviews interested parties, and only get worse! (if that's possible) Unless moves were already afoot.
Pilchards Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 I don't think we can entirely blame Adkins for everything. He does seek advice from his No 2& 3 as well. So they must share the blame as well!!! The big question is 'Something has got to change' I can't suddenly see the players gain the confidence which is draining from them everyweek and Adkins is not going to give it back to them the way it's going. I only hope Cortese has something lined up with these run of games coming up as we could quite easily shoot up the table with the right management behind us.
david in sweden Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 Managers pick/coach players Managing / Coaching is a " team job " . That's why we have a team of assistant managers, goalkeeper coaches etc. Of course, there are managers who " can't give up the game " when they get past 40, and still join in the training sessions, but I'm guessing most of those track suit pics. are just for the club's PR. Tough old pros who like to go out and train the players every day are those who do the (real) work. Then the manager will seek their advice, but probably still pick his own favourite players. Redknapp for instance.... that's why he had Joe Jordan do the job for him. REVEALING COMMENT: Anders Svensson commented on the " dying days " before our relegation in 2005. In a Swedish TV interview he laughed when asked to comment on Redknapp in particular. He said (as I recall) .....He (Redknapp) was hopeless. He knows nothing about football, and never discussed tactics. There was no dressing room talk before the game and we hardly ever saw him.
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 Sorry David We need to make drastic changes. How anyone can't see that is beyond me Far worse managers who would be laughed at if they came here have come up and stayed up with far worse squads Also, even worse managers took the fight to the wire We are doing neither and are (somehow) getting worse Bet mark wotte would have loved this backing
david in sweden Posted 6 November, 2012 Posted 6 November, 2012 Sorry David We need to make drastic changes. How anyone can't see that is beyond me Far worse managers who would be laughed at if they came here have come up and stayed up with far worse squads Also, even worse managers took the fight to the wireWe are doing neither and are (somehow) getting worse Bet mark wotte would have loved this backing I think you clearly pinned your colours to the mast, TDD. However, we are unable to make the desperate changes (above)....until January. For me the problem is not the manager, who has guided this lot for the last 2 years, but the players themselves. You can beat them with a whip, or scream at them, but it's not going to make much difference (even for a new manager) who tries an alternative method - if they aren't up to it. Prem. players aren't just born... they need the right coaching - and clearly no-one at the club knew what was required. as for the worst managers going to the wire....thats a bit premature as that's still 28 games away..........
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Author Posted 17 November, 2012 Tactics and team selection, as well as substitutes...SPOT ON!! More like this going forward Nige!
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 Put in an excellent performance against an in-form top PL team and get beaten - wailing, Adkins is a numpty, woe is me. Put in an excellent performance against a god-awful bottom PL QPR team and win - plaudits, Adkins gets it spot on, fantastic.
Avenue Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 We must persevere with Adkins, we WILL NOT go down, whilst given the experience and addition of the necessary couple of defenders, both he and we as a club will benefit. Must be patient, Cortese is right for giving him time. I believe. Coys!
Turkish Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 Tactics and team selection, as well as substitutes...SPOT ON!! More like this going forward Nige! I agree. Massive well done to Nige.
Wade Garrett Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 I am taking great pleasure in Adkins proving me wrong. Long may it continue. We look far more solid now, and the players look like they give a sh*t again. Redknapp was on radio 5 praising Saints, and Adkins to the rafters.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Author Posted 17 November, 2012 Put in an excellent performance against an in-form top PL team and get beaten - wailing, Adkins is a numpty, woe is me. Put in an excellent performance against a god-awful bottom PL QPR team and win - plaudits, Adkins gets it spot on, fantastic. Sorry, what?
ottery st mary Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 I am taking great pleasure in Adkins proving me wrong. Long may it continue. We look far more solid now, and the players look like they give a sh*t again. Redknapp was on radio 5 praising Saints, and Adkins to the rafters. Arry Boy seen walking up the Shepherds Bush Road:rolleyes:
TheCholulaKid Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 Sorry, what? He's basically saying you, Turkish, Delldays etc. are all tools. He's right of course.
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 I agree. Massive well done to Nige. Indeed he has finally learned
Bucks Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 Tactics and team selection, as well as substitutes...SPOT ON!! More like this going forward Nige! You want more from Nigel, really? But in your opinion he was effectively fired 2 weeks back and is working his notice already, until we finally finally conclude our search for a replacement.
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Posted 17 November, 2012 You want more from Nigel, really? But in your opinion he was effectively fired 2 weeks back and is working his notice already, until we finally finally conclude our search for a replacement. Im not sure 1 win against what are terrible opposition is enough to completely convince me TBH lets take it one game at a time. Corky has certainly helped and Nige is seemingly learning that he has to protect that defence so its a definate improvement
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