How many tactical mistakes is Adkins allowed? (Part 2)

[lloydie]

Personally think adkins has WBA then cortese will take action. Ive started to loose support for him, but i'll still support him at the games. Dont want anything like steve kean at blackburn happening

[MadDogMatt]

Saints media team arriving at SMS for 6 according to a tweet from one of them Something hwppening today perhaps

[hypochondriac]

Saints media team arriving at SMS for 6 according to a tweet from one of them Something hwppening today perhaps

 

Isn't there normally a pre match press conference on a Thursday?

[St_Tel49]

Nicola, you need to make the decision to sack Adkins, and do it now.

 

If you don't act decisively and in a timely manner I can see you being blamed for this appalling start to the Season. Appoint a proper Premier League Manager, even if it is old saggy chops, and do it now.

Being decisive is also coming out and saying that this club has a long term plans and will not respond to short term setbacks with knee jerk reactions!

Edit: sorry Colincj - had not seen your post when I responded to this.

Edited 1 November, 2012 by St_Tel49

[St_Tel49]

what happened to the 7 that didn't?

They got relegated

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Taken from another thread. If this is true (big if) it puts a whole new slant on the situation IMO. Somone did act desicively at the end of last season to stop Nigel walking away If it is true (again big if) I would suggest NA's job is pretty safe....

 

This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...message/114999

 

Not sure that someone like NA would give up on his one big shot of the Prem. Frankly anyone could have made that up. Now if another Prem team was after him then maybe...Villa perhaps.

Edited 1 November, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Wes Tender]

I'll shed no tears if he is replaced with an experienced Prem manager but will feel sorry that he was really out of his depth.

 

So who is this experienced Premiership manager that you'll be content with? Somebody already in the Premiership currently, or somebody that used to be a Premiership manager? You see, if anybody reckons that somebody else would do a better job than Adkins, other posters are surely entitled to ask this question and then they can comment on whether they agree or not. Do you not see how weak it sounds to suggest that you wouldn't shed a tear if Adkins were replaced and then not have the conviction to suggest who you would have in mind?

[MadDogMatt]

Isn't there normally a pre match press conference on a Thursday?

 

Conspiracy theory may be but do we do the press thing on a Thurs when we are playing Monday? Corns also said in for 6 am on his day off ....

[Victor]

So who is this experienced Premiership manager that you'll be content with? Somebody already in the Premiership currently, or somebody that used to be a Premiership manager? You see, if anybody reckons that somebody else would do a better job than Adkins, other posters are surely entitled to ask this question and then they can comment on whether they agree or not. Do you not see how weak it sounds to suggest that you wouldn't shed a tear if Adkins were replaced and then not have the conviction to suggest who you would have in mind?

 

Saggy Chops - because he will turn Fox into a world-class left back, just like he did Gareth Bale.

[trousers]

Isn't there normally a pre match press conference on a Thursday?

 

Only if the game is on a Saturday

[Wes Tender]

Saggy Chops - because he will turn Fox into a world-class left back, just like he did Gareth Bale.

 

Thanks for your response, Professor Victor. Redcrapp hardly gave Bale much of an outing as LB and he only stumbled across Bale being a world class player when he began playing him left midfield. But I'm not convinced that even saggy chops could transform Fox into a silk purse.

 

From what I've seen, there are very few names that are put forward as potential replacements for Adkins apart from Redcrapp and Hoddle and there are so many reasons why either could be a disaster. One would have thought that with all of these posters switching to the Adkins out camp recently, there would be a plethora of alternative candidates that they would want in. Seemingly not.

[Victor]

Thanks for your response, Professor Victor. Redcrapp hardly gave Bale much of an outing as LB and he only stumbled across Bale being a world class player when he began playing him left midfield. But I'm not convinced that even saggy chops could transform Fox into a silk purse.

 

From what I've seen, there are very few names that are put forward as potential replacements for Adkins apart from Redcrapp and Hoddle and there are so many reasons why either could be a disaster. One would have thought that with all of these posters switching to the Adkins out camp recently, there would be a plethora of alternative candidates that they would want in. Seemingly not.

 

 

For Christ's sake! Are you too thick to see the point I was making. I was saying exactly that - that going for someone like Saggy Chops would be pointless because he would not be able to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. We are stuck with the players we have. Hoovield has been a disappointment (but may improve) and Nigel is fully aware of our shortcomings; we do not know to what extent it is his fault this was not sorted in the summer.

 

If Saggy Chops COULD make a silk purse from a sow's ear, surely he would have started with himself.

[Mowgli]

Taken from another thread. If this is true (big if) it puts a whole new slant on the situation IMO. Somone did act desicively at the end of last season to stop Nigel walking away If it is true (again big if) I would suggest NA's job is pretty safe....

 

This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view

 

I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure

there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up

and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is

passed on my fingerprints are removed.

 

 

 

Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v

Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after

the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down

completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation

intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all

come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone

talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but

it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...message/114999

 

Yes but look at the author - massve chip on his shoulder.

[Wes Tender]

For Christ's sake! Are you too thick to see the point I was making. I was saying exactly that - that going for someone like Saggy Chops would be pointless because he would not be able to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. We are stuck with the players we have. Hoovield has been a disappointment (but may improve) and Nigel is fully aware of our shortcomings; we do not know to what extent it is his fault this was not sorted in the summer.

 

If Saggy Chops COULD make a silk purse from a sow's ear, surely he would have started with himself.

 

Unfortunately the smileys don't include one for sarcasm, so it is difficult to assess when somebody is joking or not.

As you say, we are stuck with the players we have until the January transfer window and our defence definitely has shortcomings although the individual players show some potential to improve. I think that there is a lot to be said for the opinion of some that instead of sacking the manager, we ought to appoint a good defence coach.

[Verbal Kint]

Thanks for your response, Professor Victor. Redcrapp hardly gave Bale much of an outing as LB and he only stumbled across Bale being a world class player when he began playing him left midfield. But I'm not convinced that even saggy chops could transform Fox into a silk purse.

 

From what I've seen, there are very few names that are put forward as potential replacements for Adkins apart from Redcrapp and Hoddle and there are so many reasons why either could be a disaster. One would have thought that with all of these posters switching to the Adkins out camp recently, there would be a plethora of alternative candidates that they would want in. Seemingly not.

 

Exactly.

 

People calling for Hoddle or Redknapp are just knee jerkers who think changing a manager will solve everything, when in fact it will solve very little. There is a reason Hoddle has been out of the game for so long and why some people think Redknapp will wave a magic wand and get us defending better i have no idea. Didn't do it last time did he?

 

The only manager i can even begin to understand replacing Adkins with is Benitez, as he always gets his sides well drilled and organised which is probably what the team could do with right now. But is he realistic...?

 

The lack of appreciation and respect for Adkins from some posters on here is an embarrassment. Thankfully when you actually go to games and see the support NA has from the fans that matter (the ones who actually go to St Mary's and support the team) you realise there are still some reasonable fans left out there

[Saint Fan CaM]

Exactly.

 

People calling for Hoddle or Redknapp are just knee jerkers who think changing a manager will solve everything, when in fact it will solve very little. There is a reason Hoddle has been out of the game for so long and why some people think Redknapp will wave a magic wand and get us defending better i have no idea. Didn't do it last time did he?

 

The only manager i can even begin to understand replacing Adkins with is Benitez, as he always gets his sides well drilled and organised which is probably what the team could do with right now. But is he realistic...?

 

The lack of appreciation and respect for Adkins from some posters on here is an embarrassment. Thankfully when you actually go to games and see the support NA has from the fans that matter (the ones who actually go to St Mary's and support the team) you realise there are still some reasonable fans left out there

 

Agree with that ^^^. Benitez is the only viable Manager with Prem experience I can think of that would plug the gap. However, I can't see Adkins going just yet.

[saint michael]

It's a great question who would you pick and who would you be excited about as a replacement for Adkins if he did go? It's quite easy to say let's make a change then you start seeing the flaws of all the replacements.

 

I would far rather see somebody with real premiership defensive coaching ability come in and support Adkins cos then we could see whether we could get this lot going first without making the drastic managerial change. The result may also be quicker.

 

The question then becomes who has the premiership defensive coaching talent that could make a difference

[Window Cleaner]

It's a great question who would you pick and who would you be excited about as a replacement for Adkins if he did go? It's quite easy to say let's make a change then you start seeing the flaws of all the replacements.

 

I would far rather see somebody with real premiership defensive coaching ability come in and support Adkins cos then we could see whether we could get this lot going first without making the drastic managerial change. The result may also be quicker.

 

The question then becomes who has the premiership defensive coaching talent that could make a difference

 

the question then becomes would NA accept that as he has his own coaching team. Now to me he'd see that as his position being undermined unless he specifically asked for help in the defensive coaching.Crosby coaches the defence I think and it would be seen as an assertion thatr his work isn't good enough.

[Wes Tender]

It's a great question who would you pick and who would you be excited about as a replacement for Adkins if he did go? It's quite easy to say let's make a change then you start seeing the flaws of all the replacements.

 

I would far rather see somebody with real premiership defensive coaching ability come in and support Adkins cos then we could see whether we could get this lot going first without making the drastic managerial change. The result may also be quicker.

 

The question then becomes who has the premiership defensive coaching talent that could make a difference

 

Lee Dixon? An integral part of the best defence at Arsenal during their "1-0 to the Arsenal" years. Could he be pursuaded to leave or supplement his punditry income as a consultant here? Steve Bould also appeals, but he has his feet under the table at Arsenal as assistant manager.

[eelpie]

Nicola, you need to make the decision to sack Adkins, and do it now.

 

If you don't act decisively and in a timely manner I can see you being blamed for this appalling start to the Season. Appoint a proper Premier League Manager, even if it is old saggy chops, and do it now.

 

Would it not be more appropriate to call for the sacking of the Director of Football, of whom it is said by some (who claim to be reliably informed) decides which players to sign and dictates the playing formation?

[Window Cleaner]

Would it not be more appropriate to call for the sacking of the Director of Football, of whom it is said by some (who claim to be reliably informed) decides which players to sign and dictates the playing formation?

 

 

 

Yes that would be an excellent move and far less harmful to the club. In fact I think I'll give NC a call and suggest it to him

[Kingsbridge Saint]

A couple of wins and all you Adkins out boys are going to look very silly indeed.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Exactly.

 

People calling for Hoddle or Redknapp are just knee jerkers who think changing a manager will solve everything, when in fact it will solve very little. There is a reason Hoddle has been out of the game for so long and why some people think Redknapp will wave a magic wand and get us defending better i have no idea. Didn't do it last time did he?

 

The only manager i can even begin to understand replacing Adkins with is Benitez, as he always gets his sides well drilled and organised which is probably what the team could do with right now. But is he realistic...?

 

The lack of appreciation and respect for Adkins from some posters on here is an embarrassment. Thankfully when you actually go to games and see the support NA has from the fans that matter (the ones who actually go to St Mary's and support the team) you realise there are still some reasonable fans left out there

 

Who the **** is calling for Hoddle? That's madness.

 

I would take Redknapp, but would much prefer Benitez.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Would it not be more appropriate to call for the sacking of the Director of Football, of whom it is said by some (who claim to be reliably informed) decides which players to sign and dictates the playing formation?

 

I think both of them need to go in all honesty. What difference would sackling Les Reed now do? We can't buy anyone, yet we still need to turn it around.

 

I can't believe that Adkins is such a fanny that he would send his team out in that formation, or at least not change it after 5 minutes? I genuinely believe this formation is his idea.

[Saint86]

Nicola, you need to make the decision to sack Adkins, and do it now.

 

If you don't act decisively and in a timely manner I can see you being blamed for this appalling start to the Season. Appoint a proper Premier League Manager, even if it is old saggy chops, and do it now.

 

Translation - "NC, my name is DPS, AKA D****ed Pig S**t, I know nothing about football, nor do I represent the majority of saints fans views. However! Do not let that sway you from my undeniable words of wisdom... Nigel Adkins is not a premier league manager (despite the fact that he manages in the premier league?) He did not get us promoted from the championship to the premier - this did not happen! He is in fact a fiasco of a man who has pulled the wool over your eyes these past 2 years despite "not" getting 2 promotions on the back of a £3m net spend!!!!

 

You must sack him now! He will never be a premier league manager, because all premier league managers have always managed in only the premier league! And, despite only ever taking responsibilties for the team performance, it will be your fault alone NC if we get relegated.

 

***************

 

My personal message to NC - Hire your brown shirts, find DPS, and ban him from st mary's for the rest of his life. This is fact, this wish represents the majority of saint's fans wishes and this must be done! If you do not do this as an example to all saintette mongs, then mark my words..... we will blame you for our bedwetting fanbase. IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT NC!!!!

[dubai_phil]

It's a great question who would you pick and who would you be excited about as a replacement for Adkins if he did go? It's quite easy to say let's make a change then you start seeing the flaws of all the replacements.

 

I would far rather see somebody with real premiership defensive coaching ability come in and support Adkins cos then we could see whether we could get this lot going first without making the drastic managerial change. The result may also be quicker.

The question then becomes who has the premiership defensive coaching talent that could make a difference

 

Seems the perfect 1st step into coaching for a new and much admired TV Pundit

 

 

Gary Neville

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Translation - "NC, my name is DPS, AKA D****ed Pig S**t, I know nothing about football, nor do I represent the majority of saints fans views. However! Do not let that sway you from my undeniable words of wisdom... Nigel Adkins is not a premier league manager (despite the fact that he manages in the premier league?) He did not get us promoted from the championship to the premier - this did not happen! He is in fact a fiasco of a man who has pulled the wool over your eyes these past 2 years despite "not" getting 2 promotions on the back of a £3m net spend!!!!

 

You must sack him now! He will never be a premier league manager, because all premier league managers have always managed in only the premier league! And, despite only ever taking responsibilties for the team performance, it will be your fault alone NC if we get relegated.

 

***************

 

My personal message to NC - Hire your brown shirts, find DPS, and ban him from st mary's for the rest of his life. This is fact, this wish represents the majority of saint's fans wishes and this must be done! If you do not do this as an example to all saintette mongs, then mark my words..... we will blame you for our bedwetting fanbase. IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT NC!!!!

 

Blimey, that sounds like you're having a breakdown, are you ok?

 

A few points:

 

1. I have never said I speak on behalf of the majority of fans, because I don't, but this is my opinion on the matter.

2. I have never said that Adkins hasn't done well with us. I thought he was awesome. However, something has gone badly wrong, and frankly, we need to turn it around. You have to be pro-active, not re-active. It's something you'll learn as you get older.

3. Dickhead Pig ****. Lolz, you must be a comedian.

4. The word 'Mong' is pretty offensive, I would try not to use it in future. One of these days you may grow up and realise that saying this kind of thing is not on.

5. If you find yourself that annoyed by a post in future I suggest you just don't reply, and then you can take that rage home and beat your girlfriend (or whatever it is people like you do of the evenings).

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Seems the perfect 1st step into coaching for a new and much admired TV Pundit

 

 

Gary Neville

 

Doesn't he already do coaching work for England?

[John Smith]

It's almost a sad reflection of society where an internet warrior and armchair supporters can appear to be socially in touch. Reality is usually, thankfully, more reflective of human nature. I love this club, I have loved the journey from prem back to prem and I am loving this season. Now, let me tell you why oh internet warriors, because these last few years have shown us supporters the ups and downs of football. Being at the games, listening to the post match interviews, watching the highlights of a game you were at, on the league show at 12am and thinking, we weren't ad bad as I thought! Now that's entertainment. Getting your jollies from your armchair amd a keyboard just doesn't compare to real life. Open the curtains, open the door, step outside. Life is for living, not pretending...

[nathan]

Whilst we at it I think we should sack the next manager. He hasn't changed anything around, and the players aren't responding. Whoever it is needs to go before they've started, so things don't go back to the way they haven't been. I can't believe Cortese hasn't done this already, very poor planning.

[Chez]

Who the **** is calling for Hoddle? That's madness.

 

.

Alpine and Dalek

[Chez]

Lee Dixon? An integral part of the best defence at Arsenal during their "1-0 to the Arsenal" years. Could he be pursuaded to leave or supplement his punditry income as a consultant here? Steve Bould also appeals, but he has his feet under the table at Arsenal as assistant manager.

 

What about Keown or Winterburn? No I've got it, it must be time for Donkey.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Whilst we at it I think we should sack the next manager. He hasn't changed anything around, and the players aren't responding. Whoever it is needs to go before they've started, so things don't go back to the way they haven't been. I can't believe Cortese hasn't done this already, very poor planning.

 

I can see why you've only posted 140 times...

[Verbal Kint]

Nicola, you need to make the decision to sack Adkins, and do it now.

 

If you don't act decisively and in a timely manner I can see you being blamed for this appalling start to the Season. Appoint a proper Premier League Manager, even if it is old saggy chops, and do it now.

 

Why don't you explain to me what it is NA has got so badly wrong so far this season and we'll go from there

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Why don't you explain to me what it is NA has got so badly wrong so far this season and we'll go from there

 

The defence is awful to start with, and the buck has to stop with the Manager.

Continuous mistakes; not playing our strongest side (starting line-ups without Lambert); playing players out of position; continuous changes of goalkeeping personnel; trying to go 'toe to toe' with sides that are better than we are; strange substitutions (taking off our best players when in winning positions); not strengthening the correct positions during the transfer window, and if not his choice, not asserting himself enough on those making the decisions.

 

There's a few to start with.

[Bucks Saint]

Only 3 out 10 manager firings in November have resulted in those teams staying up. Teams that stick with managers long term do the best. I am not one of those blindly saying all is rosy and nothing needs to improve, but FFS why dont we learn anything from the past?

[Verbal Kint]

The defence is awful to start with, and the buck has to stop with the Manager.

Continuous mistakes; not playing our strongest side (starting line-ups without Lambert); playing players out of position; continuous changes of goalkeeping personnel; trying to go 'toe to toe' with sides that are better than we are; strange substitutions (taking off our best players when in winning positions); not strengthening the correct positions during the transfer window, and if not his choice, not asserting himself enough on those making the decisions.

 

There's a few to start with.

 

1)The defence is awful because we have a team of championship defenders. NA clearly stated at the beginning of the summer that defence was a priority for strengthening and the recruitment team quite clearly failed to deliver.

2)Starting without Lambert worked at City and there is quite clearly some logic in why he starts him from the bench in some games. Scoring goals hasn't been a problem this season, so i don't think this has contributed to our poor start

3)He had no choice but to play Yoshida at full back when Fox has been out injured. Who else was there?

4)Kelvin deserved a chance after what he's done for us the last few years. He isn't up to it so was replaced

5)'toe to toe' against who? How else will this team win games with such a woeful back four?

6)Strange substitutions or players who had run themselves into the ground and couldn't give any more?

7)You're blaming NA for our transfer policy despite Les Reed being 'Head of Recruitment'

 

Our poor start is down to our poor recruitment over the summer. I'd say the Head of Recruitment should shoulder the blame myself

[Hamilton Saint]

Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result !

Be strong Nicola, be strong !!

 

Agree with you completely!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

1)The defence is awful because we have a team of championship defenders. NA clearly stated at the beginning of the summer that defence was a priority for strengthening and the recruitment team quite clearly failed to deliver.

2)Starting without Lambert worked at City and there is quite clearly some logic in why he starts him from the bench in some games. Scoring goals hasn't been a problem this season, so i don't think this has contributed to our poor start

3)He had no choice but to play Yoshida at full back when Fox has been out injured. Who else was there?

4)Kelvin deserved a chance after what he's done for us the last few years. He isn't up to it so was replaced

5)'toe to toe' against who? How else will this team win games with such a woeful back four?

6)Strange substitutions or players who had run themselves into the ground and couldn't give any more?

7)You're blaming NA for our transfer policy despite Les Reed being 'Head of Recruitment'

 

Our poor start is down to our poor recruitment over the summer. I'd say the Head of Recruitment should shoulder the blame myself

 

1. I agree, but at the same time he should have made out how desperate the situation was.

2. We could and should have been 5 down by the time he came off the bench, people seem to forget that. The amount of easy chances City missed was ridiculous.

3. I was talking about J Rod.

4. But then we replaced Gazzaniga when he had been alright. One of the main issues is that the keeper is upposed to marshall the defence. This is why switching goalkeepers tends to harm clubs initially.

5. Do you watch Saints? We should be playing far more defensively, with 2 players sitting against teams like City, Wet Spam, Arsenal, Fulham, even Wigan we were too open against. We have too much space in our midfield.

6. They weren't run into the ground, that's not true. You can tell by the reaction of the players when they came off.

7. I'm saying he is partly to blame, yes.

[Wade Garrett]

Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result !

Be strong Nicola, be strong !!

 

Great post, completely wrong in my opinion, but great post nonetheless.

[Dalek2003]

Alpine and Dalek

 

I have reservations and if you had read my posts on other threads you would know that.

 

In essence, Hoddle should have been appointed in the Spring of 2004 and we paid a heavy price for pandering to the vocal minority.

 

Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for some time, to appoint him now would be a massive gamble, but unless we know the other candidates, one worth taking.

 

Having said that I am staying loyal to NA for the time being and I am sure he and the team will turn the corner and pull through !

[nathan]

Becuase I have a life and don't talk rubbish for the hell of it. You should try it sometime...

[nathan]

I can see why you've only posted 140 times...

 

Because I have a life and don't talk rubbish for the hell of it. You should try it sometime...

[david in sweden]

As the last thread was closed (not exactly sure why), I wanted to know whether people still believe whether tactical mistakes by Adkins are costing us games?

For me his time is up. His constant weird lineups, substitutions and formations are killing us. Out of his depth tactically I am afraid.

 

well NA's had the majority of that squad for over two seasons Dibden...... surely he knows their strengths and weaknesses by now.

As for wrong tactics, etc....well you surely don't expect us to win every game this season? . We didn't manage that last season when most of the opposition were weaker than the poorest Prem.side is today.

 

If you put every defeat down to bad tactics and wrong substitutions...then what were the reasons for Chelsea, MU and M.City losing their games they have so far? - because they are in the top four.

 

If we fail to get any points at all from our two games with Chelsea, or our visit to Man. U in January...or the return matches with Arsenal and Man .City ....will that also be wrong tactics?

 

We can only use the players we have and that means we play the "best " (excuse that word) that we have in their best positions.

The fact that more than a few are off-form, it means we have to play people out of their natural role which doesn't help, or that two of our best midfielders out injured for an extend period is another factor.

 

We have to be philosophical and say some teams are better / much better than we are at present and we're going to lose a few more games before May, but hopefully not so many that we'll be relegated.

 

The best explanation has to be that old comment from Lawrie McMenemy (even at the height of his successful years). He once said;

As manager; you can never win .. ... if we win, everyone says ...the team played well....if we lose, it's my fault because I picked them ........"[/I]..........never a truer statement.

Edited 1 November, 2012 by david in sweden

[eurosaint]

Great post, completely wrong in my opinion, but great post nonetheless.

 

Strange reply, I presume that you are taking the p*ss ?

[david in sweden]

And £30m spent on transfers and still half the team out of its depth..

 

....but you have to admit Turkish

....that almost half of that sum was spent on one (excellent) player who's played only 2½ games, and has been injured for a month already, and is not likely to be fit for another......

 

However, I think we all agree that at least half the present side are not upto Prem. standard......

[lordswoodsaints]

It seems until he gets sacked he can have as many as he likes

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

well NA's had the majority of that squad for over two seasons Dibden...... surely he knows their strengths and weaknesses by now.

As for wrong tactics, etc....well you surely don't expect us to win every game this season? . We didn't manage that last season when most of the opposition were weaker than the poorest Prem.side is today.

 

If you put every defeat down to bad tactics and wrong substitutions...then what were the reasons for Chelsea, MU and M.City losing their games they have so far? - because they are in the top four.

 

If we fail to get any points at all from our two games with Chelsea, or our visit to Man. U in January...or the return matches with Arsenal and Man .City ....will that also be wrong tactics?

 

We can only use the players we have and that means we play the "best " (excuse that word) that we have in their best positions.

The fact that more than a few are off-form, it means we have to play people out of their natural role which doesn't help, or that two of our best midfielders out injured for an extend period is another factor.

 

We have to be philosophical and say some teams are better / much better than we are at present and we're going to lose a few more games before May, but hopefully not so many that we'll be relegated.

 

The best explanation has to be that old comment from Lawrie McMenemy (even at the height of his successful years). He once said;

As manager; you can never win .. ... if we win, everyone says ...the team played well....if we lose, it's my fault because I picked them ........"[/I]..........never a truer statement.

 

That's a long email for something that you know I don't expect. Let me turn this around. Do you believe that Adkins tactical changes have made no impact on the games we've played, and have you expected us to be beaten by everyone but Villa and Fulham?

 

Also that statement is utter ****, ask Jose of Sir Alex. You can win as a Manager, if you're good enough.

 

And no, I don't mean we should be managed by Jose or Sir Alex, as I'm sure the resident fools will try to misunderstand this point as well.

[grammy]

A growing number of fans feel it's time for Adkins to go it appears but no suggestions from any of them of who they feel could replace him and do any better with the players we currently have? Who do people think could make a difference? Personally I don't think he has got too much wrong tactically. Yes, he has made mistakes but we've just been punished for far too many individual player cock ups that he has no control over but he is still learning and how are we supposed to get the next generation of English managers if they are not given a chance. I still have faith in Nigel to turn this round but unless we bring in some quality defenders in Jan then we are surely doomed.

[Window Cleaner]

A growing number of fans feel it's time for Adkins to go it appears but no suggestions from any of them of who they feel could replace him and do any better with the players we currently have? Who do people think could make a difference? Personally I don't think he has got too much wrong tactically. Yes, he has made mistakes but we've just been punished for far too many individual player cock ups that he has no control over but he is still learning and how are we supposed to get the next generation of English managers if they are not given a chance. I still have faith in Nigel to turn this round but unless we bring in some quality defenders in Jan then we are surely doomed.

 

 

Thing is plenty of young English managers have failed dismally at the final hurdle and I'm really not sure that NA will not be among their number.It's a hard barrier to get over simply because the other 19 managers in the PL include the best of the best and although they may well have kind and encouraging words about your style at the end of he day they just want to beat you and get 3 points. PL football is about results and unless you're getting them you won't last the course. 1 win out of 9 is atrocious an I personally laud NC for giving his manager so much time. I'd have sacked him after the Everton game. .

as for replacements I'd take Benitez if could afford him and look in the Spanish and Italian Leagues if I couldn't, maybe even try to take Puel from Nice.

Edited 1 November, 2012 by Window Cleaner