Smirking_Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 But tonight has nothing to do with that, so why the reaction at all tonight. If anything, what is happening to Reading tonight is showing that our 2nd string selection tonight will give us more chance of improving our Premier leagus position. Im not normally a bedwetter, and I feel bad saying it because I do appreciate everything Nige has done and him being a top bloke and all. But how the hell can everyone ignore what is obviously very wrong atm ? The team that played tonight wasnt actually THAT poor on paper either, you need to stop the rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 And £30m spent on transfers and still half the team out of its depth. Our problems are certainly not just down to Adkins, but Unfortunatly he'll be the fall guy. I can't see him being sacked though if Cortese is having a say, as no other decent manager would let that happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Wake up sunshine. Half of those players out there should be knocking on Adkins door to be picked for the first team. They've shown to ignt they aren't good enough or even have the desire to match a midtable championship side. Agreed. The large majority that played tonight aren't good enough. So they won't be picked for the first team. I could have told you that before tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Russ Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Big companies outside of football usually get rid of the middle men if the company isn't performing, regardless of how good or bad the directors are. So unfortunately Adkins will go, I'm sure of that now. Football is results driven, and we are not getting results. We are not even getting close, which is more worrying. Adkins, I think, is already secretly resigned to his fate, and despite all his rousing speeches, i think he has lost the players' trust. Saggy chops looks our only option at the moment. I'm not keen, but he does know the premier league, and he would be inheriting a team that is potentially good, that just need a fresh perspective, and approach. Bring him in, and let Adkins move aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Its not all Cortese is it though ? The club is obviously trying to be forward thinking (I tjought in the summer it was too early for some of the ideas) and as such they probably all sat down at the start of the season and agreed a way of moving forward. Adkins is out of his depth, blaming everyone else is an easy excuse to not blame a liked man unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I know I'll get slated for this but I honestly dont think it's all down to him, he is a shadow of the man he was last season. Almost looks like he's waiting to be out out of his misery. FFS Trousers/Bill Murray...where are you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Im not normally a bedwetter, and I feel bad saying it because I do appreciate everything Nige has done and him being a top bloke and all. But how the hell can everyone ignore what is obviously very wrong atm ? The team that played tonight wasnt actually THAT poor on paper either, you need to stop the rot. The team had De Ridder in it, a paper thin midfield, and a very dodgy defence (even just compared to our first team, and that's saying something!). It is poor. We don't have strength in depth. A lot is going wrong, but tonight has not made things any worse. Playing a 2nd string and getting out of this competition is the best thing that could have happened... unlike what Reading are doing now. QPR must be rubbing their hands together watching that going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Wake up sunshine. Half of those players out there should be knocking on Adkins door to be picked for the first team. They've shown to ignt they aren't good enough or even have the desire to match a midtable championship side. Weren't people saying Mayuka should start games over the weekend? And we know the hero worship of Lee of course. Chaplow and Jos have significant fan clubs here, and of course the wonderkids who will shortly make up half the team according to our experts. People can't have it both ways by dismissing these players out of hand now. This is our squad. It's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Weren't people saying Mayuka should start games over the weekend? And we know the hero worship of Lee of course. Chaplow and Jos have significant fan clubs here, and of course the wonderkids who will shortly make up half the team according to our experts. People can't have it both ways by dismissing these players out of hand now. This is our squad. It's not good enough. To be fair to Mayuka, it sounds like he was hung out to dry tonight. Left up top all on his own, fed long balls all night, and was offered no support by the horrific SDR and ineffective Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Weren't people saying Mayuka should start games over the weekend? And we know the hero worship of Lee of course. Chaplow and Jos have significant fan clubs here, and of course the wonderkids who will shortly make up half the team according to our experts. People can't have it both ways by dismissing these players out of hand now. This is our squad. It's not good enough. Mayuka showed at the weekend that he can play well as one of the wide forwards. Don't think isolating him up top on his own will ever see him thrive. Still think he should come in for Puncheon against West Brom. Chaplow and Jos may have fan clubs on here, but neither is good enough for the premier league. De Ridder even less so. That team tonight was poor. We lack strength in depth. That isn't Adkins' fault though. Not sure what is going on with Lee. Thought he looked promising last season, but apparently woeful tonight. Perhaps he isn't fit yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Its not all Cortese is it though ? The club is obviously trying to be forward thinking (I tjought in the summer it was too early for some of the ideas) and as such they probably all sat down at the start of the season and agreed a way of moving forward. Adkins is out of his depth, blaming everyone else is an easy excuse to not blame a liked man unfortunately. Reed, Adkins and Cortese are all to blame. Only one will be held responsible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Reed, Adkins and Cortese are all to blame. Only one will be held responsible though. Very true, but one would argue that Adkins is the hited head coach/motivator and match day tactician at the very least IF they have the hold over the team that they have. But in all honesty I cant see it to be as intrusive as many believe. I guess we will find out with the next installment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Oh for Nicholl and his brave 4 2 4's A good example of a manager who was for a long while hounded by many supporters. No one expected or realised how things would go downhill so rapidly after he was removed. Moral of the story : be careful in seeking NA's removal - it could get worse rather than better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Even Leeds fans singing 'sacked in the morning' Commentators on 5 saying his job hangs in the balance. Could be game over. They have insider info and were definitely not just on the wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 They have insider info and were definitely not just on the wind up. cryptic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I know I'll get slated for this but I honestly dont think it's all down to him, he is a shadow of the man he was last season. Almost looks like he's waiting to be out out of his misery. He looked , and sounded like this on promotion day v Coventry last season. Remember how glum he looked and his odd words to Solent. It was like he knew what was about to happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Adkins has been a bad manager since last Christmas not just the last few games,he has shown that when under pressure he can't operate properly,he did get promotion but after leading the pack comfortably for the first half of the season he nearly blew it. All this 'Eric cantona' style poetry ****** is just him covering his arse because he knows he will be gone soon......I admit that it is not all his fault as he has suggested as much but you can bet your life that he will be the one blamed for the good of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Managers pick/coach players they can only pick from the players they're given.....NA didn't choose some of the present crop he's responsible for ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 they can only pick from the players they're given.....NA didn't choose some of the present crop he's responsible for ...... You simply don't know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 You simply don't know that Agreed, it's amazing how much crap gets spoken when things are going badly. I take it NA didn't chose the players when we were getting promoted either, you can't have it both ways! I'm waiting for some drinking culture rumours to start anytime now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 You simply don't know that well I do because some of them were here before NA, quite a few actually, some might even say the majority. Davis,Richardson,Morgan,Lallana, Fonte, Lambert,Puncheon,Guly,Dickson,Seaborne to name but a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 weren't people saying mayuka should start games over the weekend? And we know the hero worship of lee of course. Chaplow and jos have significant fan clubs here, and of course the wonderkids who will shortly make up half the team according to our experts. People can't have it both ways by dismissing these players out of hand now. this is our squad. It's not good enough. exactly right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Last season Wigan began D..D..W..and then lost 8 in a row, 5 points out of 33. They scored 8 in that time and conceded 22. They stuck with the manager who was implementing a style of play. It was a brave decision but worked out. Cortese faces an equally tough decision, possibly gamble. As much as NA has done for him and i am normally very positive, a few of his team selections and substitutes have been very much unlike his general decisions in past seasons that I am now doubtful that in fact he is capable of this step-up. Perhaps he is bemused by the squad size he now has... Sad but Southampton are more important that any one individual regardless of what he has achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'm not even close to wanting Adkins gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Don't bad mouth last nights starting 11 as it will be our first team next season in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'm not even close to wanting Adkins gone. I'm with you. Given time he will build a dynasty here. Think long term bed wetters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 GO AWAY!!!!! players lose games not managers. Adkins is the best manager for this club and still will be if we lose the next 10 games. Stick with him we will move forward sack him and we will be on a downward spiral. Nonsense. You could have said the same of Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Last season Wigan began D..D..W..and then lost 8 in a row, 5 points out of 33. They scored 8 in that time and conceded 22. They stuck with the manager who was implementing a style of play. It was a brave decision but worked out. Cortese faces an equally tough decision, possibly gamble. As much as NA has done for him and i am normally very positive, a few of his team selections and substitutes have been very much unlike his general decisions in past seasons that I am now doubtful that in fact he is capable of this step-up. Perhaps he is bemused by the squad size he now has... Sad but Southampton are more important that any one individual regardless of what he has achieved. Good post. The key difference with Wigan was a man who had experience at this level. I desperately want Nigel to succeed but if we do not start learning quick, he won't have any more time to learn... I wish he would go back to what we know and what works. Playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result ! Be strong Nicola, be strong !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I've never been convinced about Adkins and always felt the promotions were acheived with Pardew's influence still evident but I'm not sure how much he is to blame for the present weakness in defence, or whether it is due to Cortese having the final say on transfers. Adkins said early in close season that he anted 2 CBs and a speedy RW. On that basis bith Martin and Seaborene were offered on loan, although Seaborne's loan ultiomately did not go through but it wasn't until the very end of the Transfer window that one CB was brought in and as a Japanese player from a European club, he needed a pre-season with us but did not get it. We also have too many forwards so thyat a proven goal scorere, Billy Sharp, is out on loan and others are played out of position. Do we know where responsibility for the transfer policy really lies? I suspect it isn't with Adkins. I'll shed no tears if he is replaced with an experienced Prem manager but will feel sorry that he was really out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'm with you. Given time he will build a dynasty here. Think long term bed wetters. Exactly. We have had a disappointing couple of months, but I think Nigel and Nicola are trying to achieve something that is worth too much to be thrown away so quickly. I want Nigel to do a Moyes here, and really become a massive part of the club's history. Results are, of course, vital to success - but I'm not going to go calling for his head - its November of our first PL season in seven years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'm starting to believe Cortese doesn't have a replacement lined up he would have acted before now if he did, It was clear ages ago that the players were not performing in any way for Adkins and had lost faith in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result ! Be strong Nicola, be strong !! This! A million times over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 That's kind of like sticking your head in the sand and going ''LALALALLALALA'' though, isn't it? I love NA, I think he's been terrific for us and can't thank him enough for getting us back where we are. But I want to stay here. I want a club that's as competitive as it came be at this level, and if we need to change our manager to achieve it, then so be it. As it stands Nigel is showing that he's not quite at hte level tactically against PL managers, he's made a few clangers, and has tried to change things in the summer which didn't really need to be changed. I want him to go out whilst it's not such a bad situation, rather than seeing him go out being heckled by fans. Which is what will happen if we continue to lose. Thats exactly what I think. I love NA, good guy and all that but our PL status is at stake here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result ! Be strong Nicola, be strong !! Could not agree with this more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result ! Be strong Nicola, be strong !! Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Absolutely this. I agree. Just a pity that man up pills are in such short supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think that the transfer window is a hinderance as it allows players to relax a bit knowing that they cannot be replaced "now". I suspect they could/will start improving during December though ready for January. To be fair perhaps it is a sub conscious problem rather than them thinking it outright because Nigel is too pleasant to them when at times he should be a "Brian Clough" type ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I agree. Just a pity that man up pills are in such short supply. People demanding that Nicola show decisive action...... He may well be by ignoring the jerking knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I agree. Just a pity that man up pills are in such short supply. I love the way that you believe maintaining the status quo is being 'manned up'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I'm with the "stick with Adkins" camp.....quite frankly the alternative options are certainly not any better in my view, and bringing HR back for a second stint would be a disaster. His heart lies to the east and things would get worse. Some of the alternative names mentioned are simply journeymen managers without decent records. NA deserves better than the flack he is taking from some quarters based on his performance since taking over, and I hope NC stands behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Biggs Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 bunch of slack jawed faggots around here lol, Firstly who cares we got a hammering from Leeds, I for one don't it's the hob nob cup, the Premiership is are focus, Adkins gave the youth a run out good on him. The haters need to give him a chance and the boo boys need to sit down. Half the players probably come on forums like this and read the negative threads and think well what's the f**king point these fans are tossers lol. It's a learning curve for everyone if we lose against West Brom I won't cry. I will support Saints whatever league they are in. That's what being a Saints fan is all about the drama it's never plain sailing haha and I wouldn't change it for the world COYR!. Saggy back at Saints? what's he going to do apart from setup a off shore bank account then relegate us and use the money he fleeced from us to buy Bournemouth his not a Saint and his Heart is not with our Club. In Adkins we trust get behind him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 I'm waiting for some drinking culture rumours to start anytime now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Cortese should be strong and decisive ! Stick with the long term plan, stick with the proven successful manager, stick with the principles that got us this far and stick two fingers up to the knee jerk bedwetters who are unable to see beyond the last bad result ! Be strong Nicola, be strong !! Totally agree - they've got a great plan in the long term which we need to stick to. Yes, we've had an appalling start to the season and a few too many of our players have been found wanting but the ambition and desire to succeed is there and that's what we need to focus on. It's obvious that NA needs help with the defence and hiring an experienced strong coach is an absolute must - not sacking the manager who until 10 weeks ago was lauded as one of the best in the game by many on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9646908/Why-November-is-the-cruellest-month-for-managers-in-the-Premier-League.html Of the last 10 November dismissals of managers in the bottom three, only three of those clubs stayed up. They were Wigan after Hutchings’ exit in 2007, Portsmouth post-Perrin in 2006 and Coventry, who asked Gordon Strachan to replace Ron Atkinson in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 "It's obvious that NA needs help with the defence and hiring an experienced strong coach is an absolute must - not sacking the manager who until 10 weeks ago was lauded as one of the best in the game by many on here" Not to mention several members of the media and other managers prior to the start of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Taken from another thread. If this is true (big if) it puts a whole new slant on the situation IMO. Somone did act desicively at the end of last season to stop Nigel walking away If it is true (again big if) I would suggest NA's job is pretty safe.... This was posted on saintslist - it's a members site that you need to join to view I don't usually pass on gossip or rumour unless I am more than 50% sure there is some truth involved, but I have just heard something that stacks up and I am inclined to believe it, but would be grateful that if this is passed on my fingerprints are removed. Do you all remember how strange Adkins was after the last home game v Coventry? Well, I have heard this evening he intended to resign soon after the final whistle for two reasons. His relationship had/has broken down completely with Cortese, in fact he "hates" him and so, with his reputation intact, resignation made professional sense rather than hang on and it all come to tears ( in the Premiership and his reputation lessened). Someone talked him out of it, probably Les Reed. Now you can believe this or not but it does explain why he was saying some strange things that Sunday evening http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...message/114999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ^^^ Already posted several hours ago here:- http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40919-What-is-going-on-at-our-beloved-club&p=1515472#post1515472 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9646908/Why-November-is-the-cruellest-month-for-managers-in-the-Premier-League.html what happened to the 7 that didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 ^^^ Already posted several hours ago here:- http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40919-What-is-going-on-at-our-beloved-club&p=1515472#post1515472 . yeah I know hence "taken from another thread" thought it was more relevant to this thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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