Clattenburg

[Thedelldays]

What a joke.

Who else reckons that Chelsea are blowing this way out of proportion

 

I bet this would not be happening if Chelsea won!!! They have form in hounding refs

 

The fact this is being dealt with by lawyers is hilarious!!

 

No wonder people hate the premier league

[trousers]

Anyone know what he's accused of saying?

[hypochondriac]

I know blatter is a fool and his comments were ridiculous, but I really would rather stupid little things like this were settled with a handshake instead of all this silliness.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Anyone know what he's accused of saying?

 

Apparently called Mata a silly Spanish ***t and OM something else that hasn't been published.

[Tokyo-Saint]

T.W.A.T - hope you realise I am risking my neck against the dumb mods here lord trousers. Better men than me have gotten in trouble for trying to beat the swear filter. Luckily very few of them like sport so rarely venture this far south of the main board.

[saintbletch]

Anyone know what he's accused of saying?

 

Don't know about Mikel, but yesterday morning Twitter (I know, I know.) had him calling Mata a "Spanish tw*t".

 

I think Chelsea might end up in a spot of bother over this.

 

Allegedly, a group of Chelsea officials and players went in to the referee's room after the match and a shout of "I'm gonna break your f***ing legs" was heard. It appears that this made it into Clattenburg's match report.

 

A steward was injured and taken to hospital following a push from a section of the crowd that was throwing stuff at the Utd players who were celebrating a goal.

 

Add to that having two players sent off, which means they failed to control their players and I think Chelsea might face some action.

 

Clattenburg will be exonerated I'm sure despite having a nightmare of a game. Sending off Torres for simulation when there was contact was a mistake and Utd's third goal was offside.

 

I suspect he'll be tarnished by this though. He might also struggle to get a gig refereeing Man Utd. or Chelsea for a while.

[Window Cleaner]

Don't know about Mikel, but yesterday morning Twitter (I know, I know.) had him calling Mata a "Spanish tw*t".

 

I think Chelsea might end up in a spot of bother over this.

 

Allegedly, a group of Chelsea officials and players went in to the referee's room after the match and a shout of "I'm gonna break your f***ing legs" was heard. It appears that this made it into Clattenburg's match report.

 

A steward was injured and taken to hospital following a push from a section of the crowd that was throwing stuff at the Utd players who were celebrating a goal.

 

Add to that having two players sent off, which means they failed to control their players and I think Chelsea might face some action.

 

Clattenburg will be exonerated I'm sure despite having a nightmare of a game. Sending off Torres for simulation when there was contact was a mistake and Utd's third goal was offside.

 

I suspect he'll be tarnished by this though. He might also struggle to get a gig refereeing Man Utd. or Chelsea for a while.

 

At the end of the day it's just more game changing dodgy decisions that went Utd's way. That's what the FA have to look at

really because they get far,far more than their fair share of those.

[saintbletch]

At the end of the day it's just more game changing dodgy decisions that went Utd's way. That's what the FA have to look at

really because they get far,far more than their fair share of those.

 

I agree Window Cleaner. Although my brother-in-law, who is a Man Utd. fan (born in Leamington, but that's OK because he supported them when they were s**t), will tell you that statistically that's not the case.

 

I regularly tell him that he can stick his statistics up his arse because my gut-feel tells me otherwise.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Bletch, have you not learnt your lesson with sticking things up family members arse? Tick tock tick tock...

[saintbletch]

Bletch, have you not learnt your lesson with sticking things up family members arse? Tick tock tick tock...

 

How can I forget Toke?

 

Once every 24 hours I get a sonic rectalarm*.

 

*That's a portmanteau word Toke.

[Whitey Grandad]

You can't blame him for the offside goal but the rest was all down to him. The second booking for Torres was a ridiculous overreaction. We were always told that you had to be absolutely certain before issuing a caution for simulation. In the last couple of weeks all the refs seem to be given them out like pizza coupons. Perhaps it's because of all the media coverage about alleged diving? As for the suggested language, according to the Mail Mikel was having a rant at him along the lines of 'aren't we allowed to question your decisions?'. Well actually, no. I just think the pressure got too much for Clattenburg and his thought processes began to suffer.

[jjsaint]

Apparently called Mata a silly Spanish ***t and OM something else that hasn't been published.

 

He allegedly referred to John Obi Mikel as a monkey. Not an accusation that can be taken lightly.

[Window Cleaner]

You can't blame him for the offside goal but the rest was all down to him. The second booking for Torres was a ridiculous overreaction. We were always told that you had to be absolutely certain before issuing a caution for simulation. In the last couple of weeks all the refs seem to be given them out like pizza coupons. Perhaps it's because of all the media coverage about alleged diving? As for the suggested language, according to the Mail Mikel was having a rant at him along the lines of 'aren't we allowed to question your decisions?'. Well actually, no. I just think the pressure got too much for Clattenburg and his thought processes began to suffer.

 

 

The Telegraph published a table last season for yellow cards issued for diving. Gareth Bale was the worst offender with 2 cards,

probably why Clyne was afraid to get too near him on Sunday, Bale goes down easy apparently.

[knellster]

Sorry to disagree Whitey but I don't think the second booking for Torres was "a ridiculous overreaction". It really hurts me to agree with anything Alex Ferguson says, but he was right that Torres chose to go down. Even if it wasn't simulation it definitely was exaggeration which is a yellow card offence. Unfortunately, the mindset of most players these days (and again I'm agreeing with Ferguson!!) is that they would rather get a yellow card for an opponent than try to score themselves.

 

It may sound a bit harsh, but if a couple of players getting undeserved yellow cards rids the game of diving then frankly I think that's a price worth paying.

[Tokyo-Saint]

He allegedly referred to John Obi Mikel as a monkey. Not an accusation that can be taken lightly.

 

I know, look what happened to dune.

[Scummer]

One thing I found interesting when they were talking about this on 5Live this morning. They seemed to be saying he used the N word, and that if it's true that should be the end of his career. So it's a 4 game ban for a player and a lifetime ban for a ref?

[Trader]

The Telegraph published a table last season for yellow cards issued for diving. Gareth Bale was the worst offender with 2 cards,

probably why Clyne was afraid to get too near him on Sunday, Bale goes down easy apparently.

 

Mrs. Bale won't be complaining then.

[Wade Garrett]

Torres dived, there was the slightest touch, but he dived like he always does. Cleverley did well earlier, when Torres went in high on him. He didn't make a fuss and shook his hand. He had every right to go down but he didn't.

 

Another reason I detest Chelsea.

[Whitey Grandad]

Sorry to disagree Whitey but I don't think the second booking for Torres was "a ridiculous overreaction". It really hurts me to agree with anything Alex Ferguson says, but he was right that Torres chose to go down. Even if it wasn't simulation it definitely was exaggeration which is a yellow card offence. Unfortunately, the mindset of most players these days (and again I'm agreeing with Ferguson!!) is that they would rather get a yellow card for an opponent than try to score themselves.

 

It may sound a bit harsh, but if a couple of players getting undeserved yellow cards rids the game of diving then frankly I think that's a price worth paying.

 

That goes beyond the instructions to referees which are that you have to be absolutely certain that no foul was committed. Don't forget that 'attempt to trip' is also a foul. Torres was actually kicked on the upper shin and although it might have looked much I have known a broken leg to happen from such a challenge.

[Barry the Badger]

That goes beyond the instructions to referees which are that you have to be absolutely certain that no foul was committed. Don't forget that 'attempt to trip' is also a foul. Torres was actually kicked on the upper shin and although it might have looked much I have known a broken leg to happen from such a challenge.

 

Nope, it was a dive. This accepted wisdom that if there's contact of any kind it's ok to fall over is a complete joke. The sooner refs clamp down on people falling to the ground because somebodys bootlace brushed their leg the better.

[Turkish]

If the players are such delicate little flowers they can't take a bit of bad language then make it zero tolerance. If the referee hears anyone swear it's a bookable offence, twice and they're off. And if the players don't like it, let them complain to their clubs and teammates for being such divs in the first place.

[Durleyfos]

Are refs allowed to tell players to "**** off"? You can lip read players doing it alot to refs.

 

"Yes it was a penalty, Rio. Now **** off out of my face"

[KK the 2nd]

Chelsea are a cess-pit of a club. I beginning to think they're worse than the lot than the road.

[Thedelldays]

it is such a joke how players can verbally abuse, harrass refs all game..the min one bites back..they get their lawyers involved...

 

just listening to the radio and there are real talks about refs going on strike over this.....

[saint si]

Nope, it was a dive. This accepted wisdom that if there's contact of any kind it's ok to fall over is a complete joke. The sooner refs clamp down on people falling to the ground because somebodys bootlace brushed their leg the better.

 

Whilst I applaud this view, there is also the opposite problem that refs often don't give free-kicks unless they have the "evidence" of a player falling over. Got to fix both of those at the same time. Also the idea that "contact" is what makes a foul a foul, and not (for example) forcing a player to hurdle a challenge to get out the way of it.

[supersonic]

Judging by previous racism cases involving Chelsea in the not-too-distant past, Clattenburg will now be appointed Chelsea captain and JOM will face months of pathetic abuse and hatred from the Chelsea fans

[Whitey Grandad]

Nope, it was a dive. This accepted wisdom that if there's contact of any kind it's ok to fall over is a complete joke. The sooner refs clamp down on people falling to the ground because somebodys bootlace brushed their leg the better.

 

But your interpretation is not in the laws or guidance to referees.

[Thedelldays]

Graham Poll was on the radio saying to watch out for Refs coming down HARD on players that feel inclined to lash out verbal abuse to any officials

[Johnny Shearer]

Surely if Clattenburg said something dodgy, the players would have kicked off then and there?

 

I know I would have.

[mcjwills]

What do we have playing in the Premier League a bunch of nancy boys since when has being called a spanish T.W.A.T. a racist slur, insult maybe, but racist no way. if calling the t word is racism, I have been racially abused quite a few times in my life. Grow up and be men you blinking nancy boys, Football is a mans game, next we will be having the game as a non contact sport.

[Window Cleaner]

Surely if Clattenburg said something dodgy, the players would have kicked off then and there?

 

I know I would have.

 

 

perhaps their English isn't great and they needed to run it through Google translator after the game :rolleyes:

[Thedelldays]

I see one allegation has been dropped by chelsea...but they have made a formal complaint to the FA about "inappropriate language" used by Clattenburg....

[Turkish]

I see one allegation has been dropped by chelsea...but they have made a formal complaint to the FA about "inappropriate language" used by Clattenburg....

 

They are saying he called John Obi mikel a Monkey. I would be amazed if this was true.

[Barry the Badger]

But your interpretation is not in the laws or guidance to referees.

 

Perhaps you could enlighten me then?

[LVSaint]

They are saying he called John Obi mikel a Monkey. I would be amazed if this was true.

 

No, he said "Oi, Mikel, I never called you a ****ing monkey". It's all ok.

[Saint_clark]

Surely if Clattenburg said something dodgy, the players would have kicked off then and there?

 

I know I would have.

 

I thought that. For something that they found so obscene and offensive, they didn't make much of a fuss.

[mcjwills]

"Your a monkey" could he have misheard "Your a Numpty"

[Thedelldays]

I see now the other managers, with fergie leading are coming out and backing Clattenburg...I read someone this afty that there could be a possibility that chelsea players may have misunderstood him due to his Geordie accent

[knellster]

Don't forget that Chelsea have got some previous when it comes to lying in public about what a referee said or did. The top Swedish ref had to retire to protect his family from the morons who threatened him after Mourinho claimed in a press conference that he had seen the ref invite the Barca manager into his dressing room at half time. He later admitted that he hadn't really seen it but had been told about it by someone else on the Chelsea staff, but by then it was too late.

[Durleyfos]

I see one of there fans was caught making monkey gestures to one of the Man Utd players.Such a classy club.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Reports now suggesting he said "I couldn't give a monkey's mate, now get on with it" at JOM's moaning.

 

Oh dear chelsea...

[Hatch]

Chelsea should be docked about 30 points if they are found to have lied about this.

[PhilippineSaint]

Mrs. Bale won't be complaining then.

 

She'll still be in stitches at the moment.

[egg]

I see now the other managers, with fergie leading are coming out and backing Clattenburg...I read someone this afty that there could be a possibility that chelsea players may have misunderstood him due to his Geordie accent

 

Yep, could have called him "nipper" for example. All sorts of possibilities but I agree with Ferguson that it's unlikely that there's been racism.

 

I think that this is nothing more than a misunderstanding that will blight the career of a decent ref.

[Turkish]

So police have stopped their investigation as no evidence and no victim. One in the eye for the busy soicety of black lawyers.

[Tokyo-Saint]

They're more racially active than the BNP.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Yep, could have called him "nipper" for example. All sorts of possibilities but I agree with Ferguson that it's unlikely that there's been racism.

 

I think that this is nothing more than a misunderstanding that will blight the career of a decent ref.

 

There was a bloke on radio claimed that he said "I dont give a monkeys what you think" and the Brazillian guy thought he heard "I dont care what a monkey thinks".

[Hatch]

No charges to be brought against Clattenburg.

 

Chelsea are ****ing mugs.

[Turkish]

No charges to be brought against Clattenburg.

 

Chelsea are ****ing mugs.

 

actually having just listened to a report on this you cant blame Chelsea and i actually have some sympathy for them as they were in an impossible positon. They had to act on what one of their employees told them. It would have looked 100 times worse if Mikel had claimed he had been racially abused and they'd not reported it, especially in view of everything else that has gone one recently with them. I'm no fan of Chelsea but i dont see what else they could have done.

[pedg]

actually having just listened to a report on this you cant blame Chelsea and i actually have some sympathy for them as they were in an impossible positon. They had to act on what one of their employees told them. It would have looked 100 times worse if Mikel had claimed he had been racially abused and they'd not reported it, especially in view of everything else that has gone one recently with them. I'm no fan of Chelsea but i dont see what else they could have done.

 

As I understand it mikel did not hear it, it was Ramires who thought he heard something, checked with players closer to the action who heard nothing and still proceeded with the complaint.

 

from guardian:

 

Ramires claimed that he had heard Clattenburg call Mikel a "monkey", but neither Clattenburg nor the three other match officials, who could hear everything being said in their earpieces, heard the comment. The FA said that neither Mikel, who was much closer to the referee than Ramires, heard what it is suggested was said to him. Nor was there anything in the video evidence to support the allegation and nor did two other players, whose first language is English, hear anything untoward.