Roger Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If he'd training can't be far off and if he does think we can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It seems unlikely, given that the original prognosis was something like 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Doubt it. The last thing we want to do is rush him back and make the whole thing worse, as dramatic as it sounds, his return is key to how we do this season. He'll probably be pushing for Swansea, but more than likely back for QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Unlikely I would have thought. http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php says 19th Nov which is probably nearer the mark. Cork could be back next week though. I think he's been missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Reckon he has a good chance for this one. Was clearly training with the rest of the players on Friday and then has 10 more days to get ready for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I bloody hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 got a feeling he will be involved in this game. be interesting to see what adkins does in terms of accommodating ramirez should he go with three out and out strikers up top. i would personally like to see ramirez behind a front two of lambert/mayuka Lallana could make way, especially since his inability to track runs of the right back and help fox out causes us all sorts of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It seems unlikely, given that the original prognosis was something like 6 weeks. Sometimes people recover more quickly than expected, the prognosis is an educated guess based on average recovery times of people with similar injuries. He has clearly been training, and reasonably hard including ball work, so must be close to a return, unless there is a setback. I suspect he will be on the bench against the Baggies based on the video evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 For me the most skilful and classiest player since le god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 got a feeling he will be involved in this game. be interesting to see what adkins does in terms of accommodating ramirez should he go with three out and out strikers up top. i would personally like to see ramirez behind a front two of lambert/mayuka Lallana could make way, especially since his inability to track runs of the right back and help fox out causes us all sorts of problems. Sorry ..can't agree with this. Did you watch Lallana against Spurs? He was everywhere, tracking runs and making tackles. The problem is Fox being out of position so often, meaning not just Adam, but also Yoshida, have to cover too often , getting drawn out of their own positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It seems unlikely, given that the original prognosis was something like 6 weeks. I think it was always up to 6 weeks, 6 weeks was the worst case, if he's already been back training with the first team I think that's a good sign. It's also an impact injury, a bad one yes, but not something you can make worse really, not like a muscle tear or ligament damage so once he's got full movement and no pain he should be fine to go. Hopefully he'll get a run out in an U21/Reserve game soon. got a feeling he will be involved in this game. be interesting to see what adkins does in terms of accommodating ramirez should he go with three out and out strikers up top. i would personally like to see ramirez behind a front two of lambert/mayuka Lallana could make way, especially since his inability to track runs of the right back and help fox out causes us all sorts of problems. I have only watched a few highlights but one in particular that stood out was where Kyle Walker broke down the right and squared to Defoe who blasted over, Lallana was running flat out to track Walker and almost blocked the cross but just got done for pace. What was alarming was the space that Walker had to run into, Fox was pretty much standing next to Yoshida. They highlighted this on MOTD2 as it happened several occasions, Lennon drifted inside and Fox just drifted with him (without actually getting near him) and left a massive gap for Walker. Lallana tracked the runs every time but in a foot race with walker and that much space to run into he's going to loose every time, there shouldn't have been the space to pass into, Fox should have said to Morgan or Davis that Lennon was drifting into their area of the pitch and held his position. If they doubled up on Fox at left back you might have a case against Lallana, but when Fox (as usual) goes walkies that's not Lallana's fault. They key to a flat back four is good shape, you don't leave massive gaps by going in field (if you are a fullback) or out wide (if you are a centre back). You only man mark your man if he's in your zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Sorry ..can't agree with this. Did you watch Lallana against Spurs? He was everywhere, tracking runs and making tackles. The problem is Fox being out of position so often, meaning not just Adam, but also Yoshida, have to cover too often , getting drawn out of their own positions. Off thread topic here, but yes, IMO Fox is possibly one of the worst left backs I've seen play for saints in recent memory. People will say he delivers a good ball/free kick and that's true but that really makes him the ultimate luxury player doesn't it? Cos quite frankly, he's awful at the rest of his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 The bloke who runs the coach service I go to away games on met Gaston in town the other day. He asked GR how long until he's back for us and he said "a week". That may be a week until he's back in training or a week until he's match fit, not sure. Didn't Adkins say Gaston will be back in light training soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 He was training properly Friday and Thursday so should mean he will be back for west brom great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Sorry ..can't agree with this. Did you watch Lallana against Spurs? He was everywhere, tracking runs and making tackles. The problem is Fox being out of position so often, meaning not just Adam, but also Yoshida, have to cover too often , getting drawn out of their own positions. He certainly worked hard, but in the first half he went to sleep on one occasion allowing Walker the freedom of the park. His lack pace doesn't help as he can't recover. Fortunately Spurs didn't score on that occasion, but from time to time he does ball watch and leaves Fox exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Sometimes people recover more quickly than expected, the prognosis is an educated guess based on average recovery times of people with similar injuries. He has clearly been training, and reasonably hard including ball work, so must be close to a return, unless there is a setback. I suspect he will be on the bench against the Baggies based on the video evidence.True. I hope you are right. On the other hand, I think he is definitely one player whose reputation has been enhanced by not actually playing. He certainly made us a better team (against Villa for example), but I remain to be convinced he alone can turn around our defensive calamities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 True. I hope you are right. On the other hand, I think he is definitely one player whose reputation has been enhanced by not actually playing. He certainly made us a better team (against Villa for example), but I remain to be convinced he alone can turn around our defensive calamities. Don't disagree at all, was just discussing whether he would be back or not. On the evidence so far I don't really see Ramirez adding anything defensively, but then again I never expected him to. He is an attacking midfielder and looked a bit lost tracking back. On the other hand, a team defends as one, and defending starts from the front, what GR brings is an ability to hold the ball, make things happen and hopefully create (and score) more goals, and thus take pressure off of the defence. This goes for Lee as well, apart from SRL (and I suppose AL) no-one else in the team seems able to hold the ball up, up front, and thus relieve pressure on our fragile defence. Despite some of the hype that we are good at scoring goals, our scoring rate has tailed off in the last few games, SRL has not scored for a while (this always happens to him, a few games scoring goals and then a run of 4 or 5 without a goal). I still think GR is very important to the success or otherwise of our season, and what can be seen is that he is (going to be) a world class player in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Sorry ..can't agree with this. Did you watch Lallana against Spurs? He was everywhere, tracking runs and making tackles. The problem is Fox being out of position so often, meaning not just Adam, but also Yoshida, have to cover too often , getting drawn out of their own positions. If you take the (I think it was first goal) Fox was forced to go to the man with the ball as Adam just stood and watched, this was then compounded as the ball was then played to the man Fox would have been with, again AL was no where near him. To me this is basic defending errors which our whole team need to work on better IMO of course. I'm not Fox's biggest fan by any stretch but he's not being helped out as well as he was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 For me the most skilful and classiest player since le god. Christ, What about Lambert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If you take the (I think it was first goal) Fox was forced to go to the man with the ball as Adam just stood and watched, this was then compounded as the ball was then played to the man Fox would have been with, again AL was no where near him. To me this is basic defending errors which our whole team need to work on better IMO of course. I'm not Fox's biggest fan by any stretch but he's not being helped out as well as he was last year. I noticed that when Adam is chasing back he tends to run a parallel trajectory to the attacker instead of an interception route.Perhaps that's what he's been coached to do but it puts very little direct pressure on the attacker and as long as he's fairly accurate with his final pass Adam's 30 yard dash is always going to have no effect whatsover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Not as skilful as Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If you take the (I think it was first goal) Fox was forced to go to the man with the ball as Adam just stood and watched, this was then compounded as the ball was then played to the man Fox would have been with, again AL was no where near him. To me this is basic defending errors which our whole team need to work on better IMO of course. I'm not Fox's biggest fan by any stretch but he's not being helped out as well as he was last year. I agree with you. Fox is not the greatest but he does seem to be left exposed at times and he usually has very little option to pass to in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I agree with you. Fox is not the greatest but he does seem to be left exposed at times and he usually has very little option to pass to in front of him. Amazing. Last week I was lashed on here for suggesting that AL leaves Fox far too exposed. As far as Ramirez is concerned, I have a funny feeling we won't be seeing much of him this season. As soon as we spent all that money I thought, We'll be lucky to get a third of a season out of him. Don't ask me why, I've just got a feeling that he won't want to play for us whilst we're looking so awful and he'll end up being released for a fraction of the price we paid for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Amazing. Last week I was lashed on here for suggesting that AL leaves Fox far too exposed. As far as Ramirez is concerned, I have a funny feeling we won't be seeing much of him this season. As soon as we spent all that money I thought, We'll be lucky to get a third of a season out of him. Don't ask me why, I've just got a feeling that he won't want to play for us whilst we're looking so awful and he'll end up being released for a fraction of the price we paid for him. Jesus mate time to pop the pills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Amazing. Last week I was lashed on here for suggesting that AL leaves Fox far too exposed. As far as Ramirez is concerned, I have a funny feeling we won't be seeing much of him this season. As soon as we spent all that money I thought, We'll be lucky to get a third of a season out of him. Don't ask me why, I've just got a feeling that he won't want to play for us whilst we're looking so awful and he'll end up being released for a fraction of the price we paid for him. Same here. I thought he's be injured for three months and then go to Arsenal in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Don't let Guly get close to him in training he might just take him out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I agree with you. Fox is not the greatest but he does seem to be left exposed at times and he usually has very little option to pass to in front of him. How old is he? Poor sod was sweating like a pig on sunday as was actually running about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How old is he? Poor sod was sweating like a pig on sunday as was actually running about. Are you talking about Fox or me? Fox is 26. I, however, am 63 but the clock is ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Are you talking about Fox or me? Fox is 26. I, however, am 63 but the clock is ticking. Well you have a good head of hair sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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