CB Fry Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 And all this Alex Ferguson comparison talk in boring as hell. He doesn't even need to be as a good as Ferguson but he is better than a lot of the clowns people on here are claiming he is no better than. ...in your opinion. As it stands he's no better than Coyle, Mowbray, whoever. Just someone who has got promoted to the Prem. And he's way behind the Mick McCarthys and Pardews of this world who have proved they can stay there. It's only because Nige is the current Saints manager you even think that. If he was Reading's manager you wouldn't think twice about calling him a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How many times have people said "I can't see Nigel lasting beyond x game" so far this season? And all this Alex Ferguson comparison talk in boring as hell. He doesn't even need to be as a good as Ferguson but he is better than a lot of the clowns people on here are claiming he is no better than. So if you had to make a guess how long do you think the chairman will be happy with our current form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 nine games and we should get rid,some of you lot are unreal The problem is that we are not improving. Quite the opposite, the performances on the pitch are getting worse with each passing game. It's hard to argue that Adkins is looking out of his depth at PL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Of he takes us down. He won't be It's been 9 games and he hasn't even had a chance to play his best 11 yet. Barely any manager has an immaculate career and if they did, we wouldn't see them at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What are you talking about now? Oh yes, the usual Wes Tender trick of making stuff up. I am completely aware of the Alex Ferguson story, better than most on here. Where have I ever said he didn't struggle during his time there? Do tell. Wes Tender. Pathetically wrong, as ever, as always. Anybody wishing to see CB Fry getting it spectacularly wrong about SAF, just have a look at the "Surreal" thread, where Dazza and Aintforever make him look an arse responding to this from him:- CB Fry Do you mean Ferguson's first season in the Premier League, when Man U won the title? Or do you mean Ferguson's first full season in the English top flight, when they finished in second place? If that is "poor" I think you have unreasonable expectations. No wonder he doesn't wish to have people mention SAF, as although he naturally knows more about him than anybody else who posts on here, his mind somehow goes blank when it comes to that third season when they finished 11th and there was a groundswell of fans wanting him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Anybody wishing to see CB Fry getting it spectacularly wrong about SAF, just have a look at the "Surreal" thread, where Dazza and Aintforever make him look an arse responding to this from him:- No wonder he doesn't wish to have people mention SAF, as although he naturally knows more about him than anybody else who posts on here, his mind somehow goes blank when it comes to that third season when they finished 11th and there was a groundswell of fans wanting him out. I replied to someone saying he "started badly in the Prem". He didn't. He won the Prem first time of asking. And he didn't start badly at Man U. He finished second in his first full season. Please point out where I am wrong, and prove it. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It's been 9 games and he hasn't even had a chance to play his best 11 yet. Barely any manager has an immaculate career and if they did, we wouldn't see them at Saints. I said if he takes us down. And at this rate, we will be officially relegated at Easter with 100+ let in over the season If so, a complete embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 So if you had to make a guess how long do you think the chairman will be happy with our current form? Depends if NC thinks that NA is soley culpable for our poor start or if there are significant factors which wouldn't change with another manager like the fact that some of our defensive personnel are not good enough, we've played some of the leagues best sides, not really had the rub of the green and dealing with persistent injuries to key players. Just because I bunch of divs on here have made their minds up about NA doesn't mean that NC has no matter how much people like to pretend that they know otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I said if he takes us down. And at this rate, we will be officially relegated at Easter with 100+ let in over the season If so, a complete embarrassment Stop being a baby, that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Stop being a baby, that won't happen. Neither of us know that. But it is not looking good so far. We are getting worse IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 ...in your opinion. As it stands he's no better than Coyle, Mowbray, whoever. Just someone who has got promoted to the Prem. And he's way behind the Mick McCarthys and Pardews of this world who have proved they can stay there. It's only because Nige is the current Saints manager you even think that. If he was Reading's manager you wouldn't think twice about calling him a clown. Well I don't think McDermott is a clown and they aren't doing too much better than us. Adkins has managed 4 promotions in 6 years, whatever you say, thats a fantastic achievement and he does it by playing football in the "right" way. So what if I support our manager more than others, the clue is in the sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I think NA will be here for much longer than many seem to think - however he does need to buck his ideas up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How long will NC give him? Personally I'll be amazed if he is here this time next week. Not saying I want NA out, quite the opposite actually, but just can't see Cortese putting up with getting beat every week too much longer. Why ? Apart from anything we've played 80% of the teams in the top half after West Brom, and only 2 in the bottom half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Why ? Apart from anything we've played 80% of the teams in the top half after West Brom, and only 2 in the bottom half. Exactly and against the lower placed teams we've been great. Against the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Aston villa in the 1st half and Wham (who are likely to be bottom half come the end of the season) we've shown we can compete really well.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Exactly and against the lower placed teams we've been great. Against the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Aston villa in the 1st half and Wham (who are likely to be bottom half come the end of the season) we've shown we can compete really well.................. So who is going to come in, wave a magic wand and make us beat everyone we think we should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What do people do on Football manager when their team goes on a bad run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What do people do on Football manager when their team goes on a bad run? I just switch it off if I'm losing and start again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What do people do on Football manager when their team goes on a bad run? Turning off my laptop and going to have a ****, while it may improve my mood, is unlikely to affect on field performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What do people do on Football manager when their team goes on a bad run? Go on holiday for a month and let the Assistant Manager take over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 So who is going to come in, wave a magic wand and make us beat everyone we think we should? Why you asking me that's the chairmans job? I just think the whole excuse of having played a lot of the top sides just hides the fact we haven't been very good against the lesser teams either. The whole tough start to the season would be fine if we were getting wins at home to teams like Fulham and Wigan but we're not. It seems the list of teams we aren't allowed to expect a result from grows each week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Why you asking me that's the chairmans job? I just think the whole excuse of having played a lot of the top sides just hides the fact we haven't been very good against the lesser teams either. The whole tough start to the season would be fine if we were getting wins at home to teams like Fulham and Wigan but we're not. It seems the list of teams we aren't allowed to expect a result from grows each week... I think that's a fair point. In amongst the good sides, we've always played some poor sides such as Wigan and have come up short against them. Fulham aren't any great shakes either, but at least we didn't lose that one. Next month will answer alot of questions. I still think we'd need to be on around 10 points by December to stand any sort of chance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 ? I just think the whole excuse of having played a lot of the top sides just hides the fact we haven't been very good against the lesser teams either. The whole tough start to the season would be fine if we were getting wins at home to teams like Fulham and Wigan but we're not. It seems the list of teams we aren't allowed to expect a result from grows each week... Weird answer. Why are people allowed to ask how long Nige will get from NC but not ask who out could be doing so much better? Surely your answer applies to this entire thread, so why bother posting on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Go on holiday for a month and let the Assistant Manager take over... Turning off my laptop and going to have a ****, while it may improve my mood, is unlikely to affect on field performances. I just switch it off if I'm losing and start again Maybe Nige wants to give that a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Maybe Nige wants to give that a go? Maybe the fact he hasn't is why he deserves the sack and is so out of his depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Maybe the fact he hasn't is why he deserves the sack and is so out of his depth? You might be right. I wonder how many champions league winners on FM12 didn't take a break now and again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 You might be right. I wonder how many champions league winners on FM12 didn't take a break now and again? Mick McCarthy takes loads of breaks and look how good he is. In fact, he's on a break right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Mick McCarthy takes loads of breaks and look how good he is. In fact, he's on a break right now. Did he go on holiday for a month and let his assist take charge? Might be his problem...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Weird answer. Why are people allowed to ask how long Nige will get from NC but not ask who out could be doing so much better? Surely your answer applies to this entire thread, so why bother posting on it? What's weird about it? I replied to the 9s post that our current postion is based on having to play lots of good sides. Yet we've haven't done much against the lesser sides either so the whole arguement is flawed IMO. I made no mention of sacking Nigel, and I haven't said I want him sacked, it would be pointless me banding names around other than for a bit of fantasy football (which can be fun but I'm not in the mood today) which makes your question slighty odd considering it had nothing to do with my reply to the 9s post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 What's weird about it? I replied to the 9s post that our current postion is based on having to play lots of good sides. Yet we've haven't done much against the lesser sides either so the whole arguement is flawed IMO. I made no mention of sacking Nigel, and I haven't said I want him sacked, it would be pointless me banding names around other than for a bit of fantasy football (which can be fun but I'm not in the mood today) which makes your question slighty odd considering it had nothing to do with my reply to the 9s post. To summarise, we don't know how long NC will give Adkins but you're weird and I'm slightly odd. A good days works on SWF so far today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 To summarise, we don't know how long NC will give Adkins but you're weird and I'm slightly odd. A good days works on SWF so far today. Could be worse ...one of us could be Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 The latest stat to use to justify our awful form. They're all up there because they've played us! Of course they are. Man City got 21 points for beating us, as did Man U. They definitely haven't proved they're the best sides by beating lots of other teams as well. They're in the top half because in the vast majority of cases they're better than the teams in the bottom half. Obviously at this stage the difficulty of a team's schedule can skew things, but mostly we have lost because the teams we've lost to are top half teams. We have one result against the grain at the moment, losing at home to Wigan, and we stuffed the other bottom half side we've played. The others are pretty much on par for a side which isn't going to finish in the top half, but we have no idea where in the bottom half we'll be until we play some of the other teams in the bottom half. For instance, I'm expecting us to lose at West Brom, but then we have Swansea, Newcastle and Norwich at home, as well as QPR away. I'd be happy enough with 9 or 10 points from the next 5 matches and that will put us somewhere around 15th. If we're still in the bottom 3 after that, I'll start thinking we're probably going to go down - but even then it's Liverpool a, and Reading and Sunderland home to follow. All far more winnable matches than the run we've had so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 And he's way behind the Mick McCarthys and Pardews of this world who have proved they can stay there. How did Mick get on with his first spell in the Premiership, Sunderland I believe it was? First part season- unable to save them from relegation from prem. Second season-Failed in play offs. Third Season-Promoted. 4th Season- Sacked 16 points from safety with only 10 games remaining. It took him 3 seasons to get Wolves out of the Championship, compared to Nigel's one. At his third attempt , after managing Wolves for 4 years, you are correct he has proved he can stay up. There are Managers that should be rated above Nigel, but he's not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Well I don't think McDermott is a clown and they aren't doing too much better than us. Adkins has managed 4 promotions in 6 years, whatever you say, thats a fantastic achievement and he does it by playing football in the "right" way. So what if I support our manager more than others, the clue is in the sentence. I'm definitely a fan of Adkins and I certainly think he should stay, but what is all this stuff about playing the "right" way? We lumped the ball forward plenty yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I'm definitely a fan of Adkins and I certainly think he should stay, but what is all this stuff about playing the "right" way? We lumped the ball forward plenty yesterday. Over the course of the last 3 years he's had us playing some nice football as did Scunny under him so I was referring to his managerial career to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Could be worse ...one of us could be Turkish Racist. Mods take note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Just a reminder Cortese... in football you only sack a manager when you have a better replacement ready to go. What if the manager is nobin the centre backs missus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 So if he'd had a less successful season last year and we were in the championship now, he'd actually be in a stronger position in terms of his job? Seems a bit daft to me. Sack him and we're once again just one of many small clubs that can't see past the short term and will waste millions of pounds on pay-offs, over-paid managers and high player turnover. It'll probably happen, it does to most, but it's nonsensical longer term. Fans will just want to stay up at all costs, with zero thought for the following season or the season after that. Be nice to see a club actually show patience, accept that they're not the biggest and just want to build slowly. Keep a core of players together, keep bringing youngsters through, keep the staff as consistent as possible and if you're relegated, sell off some higher earners, use the TV money sensibly and come back stronger. Alternatively panic and throw massive wages at people that don't give a toss and won't hang around long. I'm not convinced saints will go down but if they do they do. I'll look forward to trying to get back up next season and seeing the manager learn from any mistakes. Perhaps we could even get back our reputation for being vaguely loyal and patient with managers and players. Lowe may have ruined a lot of that, but the fans seem just as bad these days. you make good points..ditch wotte at a drop of a hat..and spend loads on huge wages (for league 1)...everything you hate....yet that was successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 So if he'd had a less successful season last year and we were in the championship now, he'd actually be in a stronger position in terms of his job? Seems a bit daft to me. Sack him and we're once again just one of many small clubs that can't see past the short term and will waste millions of pounds on pay-offs, over-paid managers and high player turnover. It'll probably happen, it does to most, but it's nonsensical longer term. Fans will just want to stay up at all costs, with zero thought for the following season or the season after that. Be nice to see a club actually show patience, accept that they're not the biggest and just want to build slowly. Keep a core of players together, keep bringing youngsters through, keep the staff as consistent as possible and if you're relegated, sell off some higher earners, use the TV money sensibly and come back stronger. Alternatively panic and throw massive wages at people that don't give a toss and won't hang around long. I'm not convinced saints will go down but if they do they do. I'll look forward to trying to get back up next season and seeing the manager learn from any mistakes. Perhaps we could even get back our reputation for being vaguely loyal and patient with managers and players. Lowe may have ruined a lot of that, but the fans seem just as bad these days. Why is it all on the fans? Last time I looked chairmen did the hiring and firing. I blame PL money to be honest the thought of dropping out of the PL and losing the millions that came with it must leave most chairman at PL clubs waking up in a cold sweat at night. the merest hint of relegation gets most chairmen worried. Maybe NC isn't worried and maybe NC doesn't see relegation as an issue...who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How did Mick get on with his first spell in the Premiership, Sunderland I believe it was? First part season- unable to save them from relegation from prem. Second season-Failed in play offs. Third Season-Promoted. 4th Season- Sacked 16 points from safety with only 10 games remaining. It took him 3 seasons to get Wolves out of the Championship, compared to Nigel's one. At his third attempt , after managing Wolves for 4 years, you are correct he has proved he can stay up. There are Managers that should be rated above Nigel, but he's not one of them. Adkins has kept zero teams in the top flight thus far. And Mick has taken his country to the world cup finals but I'm sure winning promotion with Scunny is a far greater achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 And Mick has taken his country to the world cup finals but I'm sure winning promotion with Scunny is a far greater achievement. Yorkshire have a football team that have been to the world cup?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Why ? Apart from anything we've played 80% of the teams in the top half after West Brom, and only 2 in the bottom half. ok.....so lets say we come out of Novemeber with hardly any improvement...what then, more excuses..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 And Mick has taken his country to the world cup finals but I'm sure winning promotion with Scunny is a far greater achievement. Agreed, getting Sc*nthorpe promoted is definitely the better achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 ok.....so lets say we come out of Novemeber with hardly any improvement...what then, more excuses..? Lets say we come out of November having switched to your 3 in the middle with hardly any improvement.....what then, more complaining...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Lets say we come out of November having switched to your 3 in the middle with hardly any improvement.....what then, more complaining...? no...so, answer mine..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 no...so, answer mine..? If Adkins has a run of winnable games with his best 11 available and we don't improve then I will start to think that maybe Adkins isn't good enough. To have already made your mind up that he isn't good is extremely harsh IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Agreed, getting Sc*nthorpe promoted is definitely the better achievement. Twice ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If Adkins has a run of winnable games with his best 11 available and we don't improve then I will start to think that maybe Adkins isn't good enough. To have already made your mind up that he isn't good is extremely harsh IMO. My opinion isn't just solely based on 8 games (although the results and performances haven't been great). It's also based on the lack of tactical nous he is showing. Poor substitutions, puzzling team selections, and personally, I don't think he has the respect of the players. Just my opinion, that he has largely lost the dressing room. I wouldn't risk him with the run of games we've got coming. Feels the same as when we kept Wigley in the November we went down, we failed to beat Palace, WBA and Norwich. This needs to be qualified by stating we need to bring the right manager in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 My opinion isn't just solely based on 8 games (although the results and performances haven't been great). It's also based on the lack of tactical nous he is showing. Poor substitutions, puzzling team selections, and personally, I don't think he has the respect of the players. Just my opinion, that he has largely lost the dressing room. I wouldn't risk him with the run of games we've got coming. Feels the same as when we kept Wigley in the November we went down, we failed to beat Palace, WBA and Norwich. This needs to be qualified by stating we need to bring the right manager in. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the players have stopped playing for him. They came out 2nd half against spurs and gave it a real go, if they wanted NA out they wouldnt have even bothered trying. As for puzzling team selections, persistant injuries don't help. Other than dropping Lambert I haven't seen anything alarming re team selection. How many points did you expect us to have at this stage btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 My opinion isn't just solely based on 8 games (although the results and performances haven't been great). It's also based on the lack of tactical nous he is showing. Poor substitutions, puzzling team selections, and personally, I don't think he has the respect of the players. Just my opinion, that he has largely lost the dressing room. I wouldn't risk him with the run of games we've got coming. Feels the same as when we kept Wigley in the November we went down, we failed to beat Palace, WBA and Norwich. This needs to be qualified by stating we need to bring the right manager in. You're making your judgement on an impression you've gained, not on any concrete evidence, which as far as I'm aware, none of us have on here. Tactics have been drawn up from intelligence gained about a rival side, or dictated by circumstances during a match. Team selections and substitutions likewise. Whether they were right or wrong is dependent on the result of a match, but even then is debateable. Take for example the Man City match when he left out Lambert and Davis from the starting line-up, but both scored when they came on. Tactical nous, or would they have also scored in the first half too? And you base your opinion that he has lost the dressing room on what precisely? And who would you bring in to replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 We are not playing sufficiently well ..... Sorry but this really is a genuine 'No sh1t Sherlock' moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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