ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Vast majority of the chapel stand "fans" are pathetic... glad Boruc gave them a bit of stick, and he WILL turn out good and those same stupid fans will be queueing outside the chapel after the game to have their photo taken with him, telling him he's their favourite player and getting him to sign their autograph books. And you must be a supa fan then...or a d i c k head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I wondered what the cheer was about when he claimed the ball, assumed I'd missed something. Didn't occur to me that people were being utter ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Stupid fans IMO, neither goal was his fault, Defoe scuffed his shot anyway and Boruc probably would have saved it if he hadn't. They should be getting behind the team not barracking our own players 40 minutes into a game. He shouldn't have thrown the bottle but by the sounds of it, the throw wasn't at the fans so there is no issue. He is still by far our best keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Defoe scuffed his shot anyway You could say that him rushing off his line caused him to rush his shot, much better than Davis for example who normally doesnt come off his line only to be beaten at his near post. The 2nd goals apparently comedy act was all due to Fonte slipping at the wrong time. Lennon showed us what a nice bit of pace can cause, something Mayuka can offer us I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 He is still by far our best keeper. Certainly not showing it at the moment, been more impressed by Gazza. Boruc looked so overweight yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I was sat in the front row.. The helmets behind the goal were effing and blinding at Boruc and he threw his bottle at the advertising boards and clapped sarcastically. If I ws him I'd have jumped over Cantona style. F**king whining c**ts trying to bubble him up now... What a joke. TBF I was right behind it ...and this is exactly how I saw it. The goal was not his fault and I think he was rightly pis~~sed off at the fans who were unfairly hurling abuse at him. Threw the bottle a bit hard - but it wasn't thrown at fans in the stand as some are claiming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I really can't believe some of our fans. How anyone can think he was to blame for either goal is beyond me. How anyone can't see from yesterday that he's our best keeper is aslo beyond me. His positioning, his reading of the game. I even heard him ordering his defence around, something I haven't heard in years, and god knows they need it. And even if he was to blame, having a go at your own players? Really?? I even heard some boos for when Guly's name was announced for coming on as sub. WTF????? Call me an old-fashioned type of supporter, but I cheered him on and hoped he might help us salvage a draw. Please don't bother coming to watch if that's all you can offer as a 'fan'. It's going to be a difficult season and the players do not need this kind of 'support'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 TBF I was right behind it ...and this is exactly how I saw it. The goal was not his fault and I think he was rightly pis~~sed off at the fans who were unfairly hurling abuse at him. Threw the bottle a bit hard - but it wasn't thrown at fans in the stand as some are claiming So the entire notion that a fan was "assaulted" and Boruc threw a bottle at the crowd were, predictably enough, completely wrong. OK then. As for the treatment of Boruc; complete bellendery of the highest order. I despair of our fans at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I really can't believe some of our fans. How anyone can think he was to blame for either goal is beyond me. How anyone can't see from yesterday that he's our best keeper is aslo beyond me. His positioning, his reading of the game. I even heard him ordering his defence around, something I haven't heard in years, and god knows they need it. And even if he was to blame, having a go at your own players? Really?? I even heard some boos for when Guly's name was announced for coming on as sub. WTF????? Call me an old-fashioned type of supporter, but I cheered him on and hoped he might help us salvage a draw. Please don't bother coming to watch if that's all you can offer as a 'fan'. It's going to be a difficult season and the players do not need this kind of 'support'. This. Unfortunately we have some complete ****s for supporters. All we can do is try and drown out their negativity with some proper support. The players need it, and as long as they give 100% they should be getting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 From what i saw, Mr Brouc was completely out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Some fans were criticising his performance - he then sarcastically beckoned them to come down and take his place. A couple of blokes stood up and he again waved at them to come down to him. The stewards intervened and he throw his bottle towards the crowd but missed anyone. For the rest of the first half he was making sarcastic waves and comments to the crowd behind him. The blokes a loose cannon and appears on the verge of loosing it to me. Why was Gazzaniga dropped anyway? Can anyone explain this? Because the manager thinks Boruc is a better goalkeeper with experience at a higher level, perhaps ? I haven't had a problem with anything Boruc has done so far apart from his first few kicks against West Ham, and anyone can be rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isla Wight Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I too witnessed what happened and I believe that a small section behind the goal have grossly over reacted. Yes He threw the water bottle a little hard and it went over the hoarding after receiving some verbal abuse but it didn't hit anyone. Unbelievable barracking of a player making his home debut. I would hope that those behind the goal give him a rousing reception at the next home game but somehow I can't see it happening. Get a grip people. We're all on the bus together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Because the manager thinks Boruc is a better goalkeeper with experience at a higher level, perhaps ? I haven't had a problem with anything Boruc has done so far apart from his first few kicks against West Ham, and anyone can be rusty. That doesn't really explain why Gazza was dropped from the entire squad and didn't even make the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 That doesn't really explain why Gazza was dropped from the entire squad and didn't even make the bench. So he can get match experience with the Dev squad rather than sitting on the bench for Prem games maybe ? Davis seems popular and is going to be better for the dressing room anyway, if it's about being able to play in an emergency and "contributing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 You're a moron. For what its worth it shows he cares about his performances if he's frustrated about how he's going so far, he knows he can do better. If he reacts by throwing a bottle at a plastic advertising board who cares? More importantly its worrying to note how many helmets are at games giving abuse to players, starting facebook groups against guly, etc! Where were they a couple of years ago in league 1?! Abusing Lloyd James......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 From what i saw, Mr Brouc was completely out of order. Reading this thread I would say its fairly clear that you saw wrong. But never mind, people like to get angry about perceived wrongs. Your attitude is exactly the same as the mongs who started the whole affair. And now it has gone out on radio solent so that the fans will turn on Boruc... Literally, well ****ing done to the numpties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 So he can get match experience with the Dev squad rather than sitting on the bench for Prem games maybe ? Davis seems popular and is going to be better for the dressing room anyway, if it's about being able to play in an emergency and "contributing". Disagree. Personally I think he'd get more from being involved with the matchday squad than playing in kids games. Binning him off in this manner, especially after some half-decent displays, was a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If you are Ron Stickells, as mentioned in the Echo story, you sound like a right pr"ck. In my opinion of course, which is always right mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I really can't believe some of our fans. How anyone can think he was to blame for either goal is beyond me. How anyone can't see from yesterday that he's our best keeper is aslo beyond me. His positioning, his reading of the game. I even heard him ordering his defence around, something I haven't heard in years, and god knows they need it. . I think it's a little premature to label Boruc as our best keeper based on the matches he's played and the 6 goals he's conceded. Even on the evidence of having seen Gazzaniga for a similar amount of time, I have been more impressed with his command of his area than Boruc and also his distribution is superior too, in my opinion. I haven't even seen enough of Boruc to believe that he is even better than Davis. Just looking at those two goals he conceded against Spurs, I have a strong feeling that with Gazzaniga's height and athleticism, he might well have got a hand to Bale's header and that both he and Davis might well have got to the ball first to prevent the second goal. The jury is definitely still out on who is the best keeper at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Certainly not showing it at the moment, been more impressed by Gazza. Boruc looked so overweight yesterday. He needs games, so it's worth it in the long run. He's a top quality keeper but you have to remember he's played 2 games since what May, whilst everyone else in the team has had a full pre-season, friendlies and more matches. He already looked better than West Ham and neither goal was his fault, nor could he have done anything more, Bale's header was pretty much perfect and he closed Defoe down well but it scuffed through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I think it's a little premature to label Boruc as our best keeper based on the matches he's played and the 6 goals he's conceded. Even on the evidence of having seen Gazzaniga for a similar amount of time, I have been more impressed with his command of his area than Boruc and also his distribution is superior too, in my opinion. I haven't even seen enough of Boruc to believe that he is even better than Davis. Just looking at those two goals he conceded against Spurs, I have a strong feeling that with Gazzaniga's height and athleticism, he might well have got a hand to Bale's header and that both he and Davis might well have got to the ball first to prevent the second goal. The jury is definitely still out on who is the best keeper at the club. Boruc is potentially the best glovesman in the history of Soccerball. Dont write him off after two games, he could turn out to be the new Gordon Banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Disagree. Personally I think he'd get more from being involved with the matchday squad than playing in kids games. Binning him off in this manner, especially after some half-decent displays, was a surprise. Suppose there's no reason the 3 of them can't kit up and do the matchday thing if available, it's not like they have the same pre-match as the outfielders anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Suppose there's no reason the 3 of them can't kit up and do the matchday thing if available, it's not like they have the same pre-match as the outfielders anyway. There's a U21 game today; maybe its been decided that Boruc is definitely number one come what may, and rather than benchwarming they'll give Gazza a full run out and time off to prepare. Plus it keeps Kelvin involved. As I say though; after some half-decent performances (and certainly not doing anything wrong) I found it very surprising that he'd been binned out altogether. Not sure how that will work as a motivational incentive; seems rather harsh to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Boruc was probably the only member of the starting XI who didn't really do anything wrong yesterday. He had no chance with the header (we gave Spurs far too much time to isolate Clyne in the air against Bale, particularly Yoshida who gave Defoe far too much space in the first place) and you can hardly blame him for getting beaten in a one-on-one (if anything you could say he forced Defoe into a weak effort which the defence should have mopped up). Fonte and Clyne both should have done better for the second goal. I know Fonte slipped but I think he should have blocked it pre-slip and the slip was probably down to a lack of balance from poor footwork in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Didn't notice the incident so can't comment on it specifically. But what's worrying is that from reports he clearly did react to something he heard/saw from the fans behind him. It was from the home end so I am guessing it only came from a small minority, but now fan's of every team in the country know we have a keeper who is easy to wind up. How much will he be concentrating on the game when a whole end behind him is chanting "dodgy keeper" and worse. Professionals have to rise above stuff like that and ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Didn't a similar incident happen with Kelvin away at Sheffield Wednesday a few years back? (Not sure he threw anything, but he was giving back the stick that he was getting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Boruc was probably the only member of the starting XI who didn't really do anything wrong yesterday. He had no chance with the header (we gave Spurs far too much time to isolate Clyne in the air against Bale, particularly Yoshida who gave Defoe far too much space in the first place) and you can hardly blame him for getting beaten in a one-on-one (if anything you could say he forced Defoe into a weak effort which the defence should have mopped up). Fonte and Clyne both should have done better for the second goal. I know Fonte slipped but I think he should have blocked it pre-slip and the slip was probably down to a lack of balance from poor footwork in any case. Make no mistake he was slow coming out. Mind you, even if he had been quicker, Defoe would probably still have got there before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Didn't a similar incident happen with Kelvin away at Sheffield Wednesday a few years back? (Not sure he threw anything, but he was giving back the stick that he was getting) took him ages to get fans on his side afterwards (and some never did). I wonder how much of our hardcore away support reside in the Chapel? If the same thing had happened in front of the Northam I think it might be tougher for Boruc, but I get the feeling it will be quickly forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It's quite interesting reading this thread and how people who don't know/didn't see what happened can make a judgement. After the scond Spurs goal that Boruc did very poorly with, a fan shouted about him being able to do a better job, Boruc then turned and reacted (intimating something about coming on to the pitch but didn't heard exactly what), a few fans then stood up and reacted to what he had said (so I can presume it wasn't worded in the friendliest way). He then threw his bottle at the crowd. Categorically, it wasn't at the hoardings it was at the crowd. (Unless his distribution is really that bad!!) It hit the steward in the front row with the biggest afro I have ever seen. He then got more reaction from the crowd who booed him and he then clapped sarcastically. The bottom line is that he's not fit and looks quite a few pounds overweight and had a poor game. I can only presume that Gazza is injured as to why he's been dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Lizzard Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Completely agree, booing Boruc and Guly does nothing to help the team. We really do have some dickhead fans. This. Usual spoilt brats who if things aren't going their way have to complain and find a scapegoat. Suck it up and grow up. I saw the incident and they really need to look at the man in the glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Lizzard Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 It's quite interesting reading this thread and how people who don't know/didn't see what happened can make a judgement. After the scond Spurs goal that Boruc did very poorly with, a fan shouted about him being able to do a better job, Boruc then turned and reacted (intimating something about coming on to the pitch but didn't heard exactly what), a few fans then stood up and reacted to what he had said (so I can presume it wasn't worded in the friendliest way). He then threw his bottle at the crowd. Categorically, it wasn't at the hoardings it was at the crowd. (Unless his distribution is really that bad!!) It hit the steward in the front row with the biggest afro I have ever seen. He then got more reaction from the crowd who booed him and he then clapped sarcastically. The bottom line is that he's not fit and looks quite a few pounds overweight and had a poor game. I can only presume that Gazza is injured as to why he's been dropped. I saw it. The bottle was categorically not thrown at the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 The bottom line is that he's not fit and looks quite a few pounds overweight and had a poor game. Amazing how split the opinions are about Boruc. I was at West Ham and thought he was a bit shaky. Yesterday, I could not fault his performance TBH - nor do I think he is unfit and overweight. He is just a big unit - not a bad trait for a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 I saw the incident clearly. The fans were giving him abuse and he only threw the bottle on to the pitch perimeter. Nowhere near a fan. Fans then overreacted and he started applauding. Driven by over-emotion on both sides. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Let's move on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 If fans are going to be moronic and stupid enough to start abusing our own players, don't start crying when they react Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 That doesn't really explain why Gazza was dropped from the entire squad and didn't even make the bench. It is rare for sub keeper to come on. Being on bench won't overly benefit him. If sub keeper comes on it is often when a keeper has been sent off, maybe to come on and face a penalty. Perhaps Gazza little put out going from No1 to out of squad but sure it is managed. Benefit of KD on bench 1) club capt - involves him in team on day 2) more experienced if coming on suddenly 3) bit of penalty saving specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITEE1987 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 GAZZA will not be playing for us for quite a while as it seems hes been shipped out on loan. Boruc will get better. Just needs time. No matter what keeper we have on they are going to have their work cut out for em with the way the back four are letting attackers glide through!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Amazing how split the opinions are about Boruc. I was at West Ham and thought he was a bit shaky. Yesterday, I could not fault his performance TBH - nor do I think he is unfit and overweight. He is just a big unit - not a bad trait for a goalkeeper. Agreed, he looked fine on Sunday and was not at fault for either goal. Some people make up their minds on one viewing and thats it. Bit like with Yoshi, had poor games at RB and LB and people here now think he's poor CB, truth is he is top drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport I believe the Artur Boruc bottle incident at the Chapel End on Sunday is being taken pretty seriously by #saintsfc - doubt he'll be at Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 @solentsport: RT @bigadamsport: I believe the Artur Boruc bottle incident at the Chapel End on Sunday is being taken pretty seriously by #saintsfc - doubt he'll be at Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 3) bit of penalty saving specialist He's saved 2 in god knows how many years, both of which were the worst possible penalties in premier league history. He's in no way a specialist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 He's saved 2 in god knows how many years, both of which were the worst possible penalties in premier league history. He's in no way a specialist... http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/kelvin-davis/elfmeter/spieler_13640.html Since playing for us: 31 pens against, 11 saves and 20 goals. 1 in 3 saved - that sounds pretty good to me? (ignores penalty shootouts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 (edited) Simon Peach @SimonPeach Could this be the last we see of Boruc at #SaintsFC? Club statement says they are taking the allegations "extremely seriously". Simon Peach @SimonPeach Boruc allegedly threw a bottle at home fans & swore at them on what was his home debut for #SaintsFC. Simon Peach @SimonPeach #SaintsFC investigating Artur Boruc incident on Sunday. Decision expected before the week is out. Severe sanctions are being considered. Edited 30 October, 2012 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Could this be the last we see of Boruc at #SaintsFC? Club statement says they are taking the allegations "extremely seriously". Simon Peach @SimonPeach Boruc allegedly threw a bottle at home fans & swore at them on what was his home debut for #SaintsFC. what a surprise the Echo revelling in a bit of bad news about the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchrissy Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Just watching SSN - breaking news at 11.20am that Southampton are investigating the "alleged" incident with Boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 How ironic that fans in the Chapel can manage to make some noise to have a pop at a Saints player and then get worked up when he has a go back, but show no passion or make any noise when it comes to actually getting behind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Story gathering pace.... SunSport Now @SunSportNow Southampton are investigating an incident involving Artur Boruc in which he allegedly threw a water bottle into the crowd against Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I had heard that a number of Spurs fans had tickets in the Saints' areas. Perhaps they were involved? That applies to the fighting that apparently broke out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 The booing would never have happened in League One or the Championship! Bloody plastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Could this be the last we see of Boruc at #SaintsFC? Club statement says they are taking the allegations "extremely seriously". Simon Peach @SimonPeach #SaintsFC investigating Artur Boruc incident on Sunday. Decision expected before the week is out. Severe sanctions are being considered. I'm guessing it won't be that severe and almost certainly won't be the last we see of Artur, what with Gazza apparently going out on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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